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The Failing Right of Laptop Privacy

davidwr writes "Wired has an interesting editorial on laptop searches and seizures. It raises some interesting issues, including employee rights against police searches in the workplace, routine vs. non-routine searches at ports of entry, and police use of unrelated data found in a database search. The article ends saying: 'Of course, there's a chance that the courts will not recognize the different scope of privacy interests at stake in computer searches, or will not be adept at crafting a rule that gives enough leeway and guidance to law enforcement, while also protecting privacy. At that point, the Constitution may fail us, and we will have to turn to Congress to create rules that are better adapted for the information age.'"

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  1. At that point, the Constitution may fail us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The constitution certainly left the building back in the age of the new deal, possibly even as early as aliens and sedition.

    1. Re:At that point, the Constitution may fail us by genrader · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AMEN. The New Deal was not the last of the Constitution though. Alien and Sedition Acts were bad, as were many other things, but the death of the Constitution was in 1913, when Congress took away its own power to coin money and gave it to a private bank, as well as the introduction of the income tax and the end of Senators being elected by states. The only reason we have it so good now is because of our wariness of tyranny and the great age of capitalism, but that will all end when the right tyrant comes along.

    2. Re:At that point, the Constitution may fail us by The+Warlock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the introduction of the income tax and the end of Senators being elected by states.

      Oh, what bullshit. Look, if the constitution wasn't supposed to be amended, then Article Five wouldn't be there in the first place, would it?

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    3. Re:At that point, the Constitution may fail us by k1e0x · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Word.

      1913 was the *start* of us loosing our rights but with the recent stuff (patriot act, land seizures, warrant less wire taping, military tribunals) its all gone now.

      I cant think of a single part of the bill of rights that we still have.

      Why is speech "limited" at political rallies or universities? Why is hate speech a crime? ..because the 1st Amendment is meaningless.

      Why are there gun laws restricting firearms? ..because the 2nd Amendment is meaningless.

      The 3rd.. is possibly impractical.. and also probably meaningless as well.. but if not, the feds will find a way to make it legal.

      The government can search practically anything they want now? Laptops, Phone records, E-Mail, you name it, why? ..because the 4th Amendment is meaningless.

      How can the City of New London takes peoples land and give it to Pfizer? ..because the 5th Amendment is meaningless.

      Why is José Padilla been in jail for 4 years being tortured, when his case is still pre-trail? ..because the 6th (and 8th) Amendment, are meaningless.

      Why does just about everyone accused of mutable crimes seek a plea bargain for a lesser offence instead of standing up for there rights? Why does the state tack on so many charges with extreme punishment (101 years for spamming)? ..because the 7th Amendment is -basically- meaningless.

      Why is a man being sentenced to 101 years for spamming? Why is another man sentenced (and denied appeal) to 50 years in prison for selling pot? Why are children being convicted of molesting each other? ..because the 8th Amendment is meaningless.

      Why does the government have the power to do anything we don't specially say they don't have or can pick apart and widdle down the other rights we have? Why is it the people reserve no rights beyond what's listed in the constitution .. that or what the government allows? ..because the 9th and 10th Amendments are meaningless.

      We have a "vestige" of the construction.. we don't actually have enforceable rights in the same sense as they were written. The Ed Brown case is part of this, the court would not allow him to use constructional law in his court. read that again.. you can't use the construction.. the highest law on of land in a U.S. federal court. The judges swear an oath to it but its entirely irreverent anymore.

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    4. Re:At that point, the Constitution may fail us by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The New Deal was not the last of the Constitution though. Alien and Sedition Acts were bad, as were many other things, but the death of the Constitution was in 1913, when Congress took away its own power to coin money and gave it to a private bank, as well as the introduction of the income tax and the end of Senators being elected by states

      Pfui.

      You both sound like you would be more comfortable with a hereditary House of Lords

      ---or is it the Corporate State of Microsoft?

      The late nineteenth century Senate belonged to the Capitalists. The Silver Senators. The Senators for Sugar, Coal and Wheat, Copper and Steel. The baronies of the Northern Pacific, the Pennsylvania Railroad.

    5. Re:At that point, the Constitution may fail us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Why are there gun laws restricting firearms? ..because the 2nd Amendment is meaningless."

      I'd almost argue this. After all, there's no reason a person needs a main battle tank, or a series of cruise missiles, sitting in their backyard.

      Except, for the fact, that a peashooter isn't going to do it these days. The second amendment is there for one solitary purpose:

      In case of Tyranny, break glass, scream, shoot every last politician in the head.

      Anyone who argues to the contrary has no clue what they're talking about. Read the words of the founding fathers.

      To be honest though, that's an entirely impractical view. Back when the Constitution was drafted, privately owned sailing vessels could carry all the armament they wished - no problem. Really, no problem as no one was likely to start shooting up Boston harbor, and if they didn't carry a nice load of cannon, they'd likely fall prey to pirates, privateers, and the naval forces of enemy countries.

      Back when the Constitution was drafted, you couldn't cause a city to be wiped off the map, even if you went loony and took your muzzleloader on a rampage.

      So, an armed populace - perfect. Works out well. There's low risk, high reward. Great!

      Today, things are different. Do you want *your* neighbors to have, say, nuclear armaments in their backyard? I sure as hell don't trust mine with them. (Hell, I wouldn't even trust me with 'em. ;)) The founding fathers had no idea, and could not possibly have had any idea, of how far the technology of weaponry would advance.

      So perhaps the second has become meaningless, but rightfully so. I'd rather think it's not meaningless, per say, but the meaning has changed. The goal now isn't to have an armed populace capable of slugging it out with tyrannical rulers, per say, but to keep a hint of danger there. After all, even if you have stealth bombers and nuclear ICMBs and railguns, if your people are armed, they will fight back after a certain point. It's easier to resurrect the Gestapo if their targets only have rocks to throw back against machine guns.

      Ah, hell, who am I kidding? Everyone knows guns are only to keep the King of England out of our faces.

  2. Re:And Hopefully... by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. -G.B. Shaw

    KFG

  3. Two words by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Disk encryption. You can get TrueCrypt for free and encrypt a partition with a hidden partition inside. Keep it on a USB drive or external hard drive. See you in about five years after the NSA's supercomputer has been trying to decrypt it.

    Of course, in the US today they'll probably just disappear you to GITMO while they work on it.

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  4. Re:And Hopefully... by Caffeinate · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Shaw was close, but I would make a slight modification . . .

    Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than the majority deserves.

    Democracy is a horrible system of government for the minority dissenters in the group . . .

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  5. whiny!!! by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    wow, can she whine any more? Laptop is owned by her employer... It was bought for her use, NOT for her as a personal item. So now she gets her panties in a bunch when she realizes her employer has the right to do whatever they want with that computer. Guess what, it is theirs! Just because you scattered your useless garbage all over the HD doesn't make it yours. If you want privacy, buy a personal laptop, and then it becomes much, much harder for someone to take a look at it.

    1. Re:whiny!!! by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So now she gets her panties in a bunch when she realizes her employer has the right to do whatever they want with that computer.

      She's not really talking about her employer looking through the laptop. She's talking about law enforcement. If you'd RTFA, you'd find this paragraph on page 2:

      I hope for the best, as I do in United States v. Ziegler, the case that found private employees have no reasonable expectation of privacy in their workplace computers. Defense attorneys have asked for a rehearing, and the court may do better next time.

      Ziegler is important, because if employees have no protected privacy rights, then the government can enter a private workplace, without cause, without a warrant, with or without the employer's consent and search employee computers. The business might try to sue, but the employee would not have the right either to challenge the government's actions in court, or to suppress any discovered evidence.

      Meaning, if you have no expectation of privacy on your computer, then the police can come into any workplace, look through the computers of people there, and those individuals have no recourse. In effect, you become subject to random search and seizure by the government in your workplace all because you supposedly have no expectation of privacy.

      That is a very scary effect of the court ruling. It's one thing to say that your employer can search through their laptop. It's completely another to think that the government can use it as a method of warrantless searches of your stuff -- for which you have no recourse. You know, totally unreasonable and without oversight of citizens on a whim.

      I would hardly call pointing out something like that 'whining'.

      Cheers
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  6. Re:Encryption is the only real option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Real option... are you really prepared for it? Let's say you're at the border with an encrypted partition. Are you hoping they won't notice the partition? Let's say they find it.

    Officer: What is this 40-gig partition here?

    You: I don't know, random junk.

    Officer: So you don't mind if we zero it?

    You: Don't do that! It's my personal files... encrypted.

    Officer: Please unlock it so we can take a look.

    You: No thanks. It's just my personal files anyway.

    Officer: You know, this is the equivalent of transporting a safe in your luggage, and refusing to open it so we can verify its content. Unlock your partition so we can take a look.

    You: No way.

    Officer: You leave me no choice but to suspect that you have something illegal in there. To follow up on my analogy, I suspect that you have drugs or a bomb in your safe. There's no way you're crossing the border today. Wait in this tiny room while we decide which charges we're going to press against you.

  7. Re:And Hopefully... by Mike+Rice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Constitution already provides protection to us. The real problem is, we have failed to protect the Constitution.

    We've let our rights be whittled away over the centuries... a DMCA here, a 'Patriot' Act there... because we the people have failed to enforce our rights are under the Constitution, and our 'leaders' have chosen to ignore the Constitution altogether, except where it suits themselves.

    Ironically, the Founding Fathers wrote the Bill of Rights in the first place BECAUSE they were afraid that future generations would forget the ideals the Constitution was based upon!

    From the Constitution of the United States of America, Amendment 4, I quote...

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    Note that it does not say 'UNLESS it would make more work for the police'.

    It does not say 'UNLESS you are crossing the border'.

    It does not say 'UNLESS you are gainfully employed'.

    In fact, there is no UNLESS anywhere in there.

    What DOES it say, people? All together now... 'SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED' .

    Congress has NO power (under the Constitution) to create legislation which violates this right, short of a new Amendment.
    The President has no power (under the Constitution) to enforce any such (un Constitutional) law.
    However, they have DEFACTO powers to do so, because we the people have become a bunch of sissies and let them get away with it.

  8. Don't be a cheapskate! by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here is someone who could easily afford their own computer. She should keep her private data on her own computer, not her work computer. What's so hard to understand about that?

    Even if her own computer is too expensive for her, how much does a USB key cost these days? Combined with Firefox Portable and Thunderbird Portable (and others) this provides a simple and elegant solution.

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  9. Failed what? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At that point, the Constitution may fail us, and we will have to turn to Congress to create rules that are better adapted for the information age.

    Nonsense. The Constitution hasn't "failed us", it is our commitment to honoring its provisions that has wavered. The Constitution is just as relevant and meaningful now as it was two centuries ago. Furthermore, I would argue that it is more important than ever that we observe Constitutional law and hold our elected (and unelected!) officials accountable for their deviances from it.

    So far as Congress crafting better rules for the Information Age is concerned ... I'd not hold your breath. When they passed the DMCA and the Patriot Act I lost all hope of Congress ever being willing or able to legislate us out of this mess, given that they're most of the reason that we're in it.

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  10. Re:And Hopefully... by pi4arctan1guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This was my first thought on reading the summary. The thing is, almost all of the examples given in the article are either speculation about what could possibly maybe happen or instances where the computer does not belong to the person being investigated. I think that an employer has a right to monitor their own computers. Employers should also have a right to let investigators search their computers.

  11. Re:So? by E8086 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But there are still so many who fail to keep work out of the rest of their lives or the rest of their lives out of their work laptop. The article's author freely admints that her laptop was purchased by not her, possibly an employer. If it's not yours it's, well, not yours and anything no matter how personal you put on it is not yours. Unless you have some written agreement allowing all data stored on it to be your personal property, think lease, you don't own what's on it either. I've made it a point to NOT have a work laptop, or e-leash as it should be called as you may be expected to take it home and put in some late night or weekend unpaid time.
    If you have to have carry some personal data around with you, and/or don't happen to have a secure server at home, encrypt(and hidden file) it and stick it on the non-music/video area or notes folder of an ipod. They're far more common than linux running laptops and probably far less likely to create draw unwanted attention.

    airport/boarder/other security guard/storm trooper: what's that?
    you: my ipod
    guard: turn it on
    you: ok
    guard: looks good, these are not the droids we're looking for, move along

    Or it may remain unnoticed and unquestioned in your pocket

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  12. Re:And Hopefully... by cptgrudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps we'll just need to bring the papers and effects closer to our "person" in the interim. How many people might get a little bio-engineered implant that holds a relatively large amount of data? Access it over bluetooth, direct via your mind, or something else.

    Of course, there are a lot of steps between that technology and reality, but I think forcing a person into surgery to get at some data which may or may not be hidden away inside of them would rub a lot of people the wrong way.

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  13. Re:And Hopefully... by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than the majority deserves.

    Shaw used the royal "we" and his observation was directed at your point. Democratic forms of government at best serve the lowest common demoniator (which is something rather different than the majority). At worst it is, of course, nothing more than a self-satisfied lynch mob.

    Which is why the framers gave us a Congress instead of a democracy (they knew about Athens), under a constitution (they knew about Rome). They anticipated Shaw's further observation that anyone who robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

    It is not the fault of Congress if the least common denominator has demanded more and more democracy while deserving it less and less.

    It is the fundamental premise of our governmental philosophy that the government will be corrupted and that it is the responsibility of The People, freemen all, to see to their own freedoms.

    Where The People demand the "freedom" to be endentured in order that they may be "free" to watch Survivor and Big Brother on a really big TV, that is the freedom they will get.

    Freedom is messy and uncomfortable. The People would rather be comfortable serfs than uncomfortable freemen, in numbers far greater than a simple majority. Let's call it, ooooooooh (pulling a number out of my ass that probably isn't too far wrong) - 98%.

    Give me liberty, or give me. . .ooooooooooooooo, shiney!

    KFG

  14. Re:And Hopefully... by blincoln · · Score: 2, Insightful

    THAT's why you need absolutes in laws

    Right, because modern legal language like the kind used to write EULAs and NDAs is so superior to the Constitution, which can be read and understood by normal people.

    Just because modern Americans tend to be so petty and self-serving that they demand things be explained with a page of words instead of a sentence does not mean that's how things should be done.

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  15. Re:Encryption is the only real option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So you don't mind if we zero it?

    "Go ahead." ...because you make backups before you leave the house with your laptop and you know that it is better to recreate the last few hours' work rather than being caught lying to a border guard.

  16. You're abusing company property by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My laptop computer was purchased by Stanford, but my whole life is stored on it. ... In short, my computer is my most private possession. I have other things that are more dear, but no one item could tell you more about me than this machine.

    In short: you're an idiot and are abusing company property to meet your own personal demands. The company didn't provide you with that laptop to store your own personal life on it, the idea behind it was actually to make you more mobile while still having the access and means to do your work. Nothing more, nothing less.

    You're also one of those idiots who comes crying to his sysadmin when things suddenly don't work anymore and I, the sysadmin, gets to go through a lot of utter shit which simply shouldn't have been installed on that laptop in the first place! My team quickly found a simple remedy for all that though; we convinced the management board to get 1 brand of laptops and try to keep things decently alike. Company policy: synchronize your laptop with the company network before giving it to us to do maintenance. That process only syncs the company data. And we fix things by simply restoring a pre-made image. Then we sync the new laptop with the userprofile on the network and all is back to normal. Except the junk the user put on it ofcourse.

    Sure we've had a few complaints from people just like you. To which our question has always been: "Why do you think you got that laptop? Answer: To keep the data which is currently on it, the company doesn't give a hoot about your kid photo's. We don't mind you store it on the laptop, but don't come crying to us that they're now gone. Has it ever occured to you that you could have gotten a laptop or computer of your own for that stuff?". Harsh? Yes. And in all honosty I do feel sorry for this particular employee. But if we're not harsh then what'll be next? "could you please look at my laptop, for some reason doomIII doesn't work and I need that to relief some stress in the weekends". Give me a fucking break....

    So, to put it simple: when I, the sysadmin responsible for that laptop of yours, am allowed to speak on behalf of the company and grant the goverment access to that laptop then you really have nothing to complain about. Its not yours. In this context, technically speaking, its mine.

    1. Re:You're abusing company property by Trunklebob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I would never put anything illegal or embarrassing on my work laptop, the idea that I shouldn't keep personal information on it is laughable.

      My employer gave it to me so that I could fix things remotely, which is mutually beneficial. I don't have to drive 2.5 hours to correct a problem if I'm at my parent's or in-laws, and their downtime is reduced accordingly. It's an imposition to me; I'd rather walk out the door at 5:30 and not have to think about work until 8:30 the next morning.

      If they are going to impose their work in my private life, then surely it's fair for me to use a few MBs of my hard drive for personal files, provided I'm not a) breaking the law or company policy, or b) causing financial loss by increasing the amount of support they have to supply me.

      If they don't agree, they are free to either give me a desktop which I leave behind at night, or show me the door.

  17. Rights by turbofisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every time you talk rights with a US citizen they bash the Europeans for having no constitution which protects them... Well how does that do any good when the US government simply circumvents the constitution? Isn't it illegal, with the DMCA and all, to circumvent stuff? :-)

  18. Re:And Hopefully...Constitutional Plugins by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why bother with naughty websites when, if you're implanting stuff anyway, you could just put in an artificial gland that would release endorphins (or whatever) on command?

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  19. Re:Encryption is the only real option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Correct answer: "I do not consent to warrantless searches of my papers and personal information."

    Like me, you should back up your laptop's encrypted partition daily. If they wipe the partition, you can get it back next time you're online. But the important thing in these searches is to put them on notice that you don't consent, because consenting, or failing to assert the opposite, will make an otherwise illegal search, legal. By putting them on notice, they run the risk of conducting an illegal search of your laptop.

    At an airport they have the right to search you physically, for drugs and stuff, but in these days where we can send any information we want overseas via the internet, there's no justification for searching data on a laptop.

  20. Re:And Hopefully... by JimXugle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep in mind that a regular email is like a post card in the postal system... anyone can read it.
    encrypted email on the other hand is more like a sealed envelope.

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  21. I know this may be cliche, but... by infidel13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    before someone beats me to it (unless it has already happened).... Truecrypt hidden volumes? I doubt that the average airline security thug knows enough about the method to find anything, and one could always encrypt practically everything on the drive regardless of whether one had anything to hide - it's the principle of it! When Congress and the Constitution fail to protect digital privacy, perhaps it is better to take matters into one's own hands.

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  22. Doofus by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My laptop computer was purchased by Stanford, but my whole life is stored on it. [...] In short, my computer is my most private possession.

    If your most private possession is owned by someone else, the police are not even close to your worst worry.

    First, there are several new cases that suggest that agents can search computers at the border

    No, that's not accurate. The cases state that agents may make a search a requirement for crossing the border with the computer. You have the right to refuse the search and ship the computer back the way you came.

    Second, a recent case in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has held that private employees have no reasonable expectation of privacy

    This has been true since the country's inception. Nor is it difficult to understand: Its not the employee's office or the employee's computer. They're not even under contract to you the way an apartment or hotel room would be. These things belong to the employer and the employer has a right to grant a warrantless search of its posessions just as you have the right to permit the police to search your house if you so choose.

    The employer also has a right to refuse a warrantless search, you as you would of your posessions. The difference is: why would the employer want to? If you're breaking the law at work, they want to know about it just as much as the police do.

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  23. That's not the court's job. by peektwice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course, there's a chance that the courts will not recognize the different scope of privacy interests at stake in computer searches, or will not be adept at crafting a rule that gives enough leeway and guidance to law enforcement, while also protecting privacy. At that point, the Constitution may fail us, and we will have to turn to Congress to create rules that are better adapted for the information age.
    Did anyone else notice the lack of understanding of the separation of powers here?
    The court's job is to interpret the laws. The Congress' job is to make the laws. The executive branch enforces them. The court should not be "crafting rules". Their job is to determine whether or not the executive branch (read: cops) violated the law. This sets precedence for further legal cases, but does NOT create new rules (read: laws).
    Freakin' activist judges are part of the problem, not the solution.
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  24. Re:one word... by budgenator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try this senario, I'm crossing the boarder with my laptop, someone with the same name as me is an EvilTerrorist(TM) being watched. In the back room they slip in a Knoppix cd and dd my harddrive out through the ethernet port. Of course they quickly figure out that I'm the wrong guy so what do they do, the honorable thing is to dump all that data, the human thing is to be embarassed and go fishing for some dirt. At least with encryption it'll cost them some effort to be human instead of honorable.

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