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Microsoft to Launch Zune in EU

An anonymous reader writes "Happy with the sales from the little brown music player here in the states, Microsoft is working to launch the Zune media player in Europe by the end of the year. According to the Washington Post article, they are trying to have a realistic outlook on the entrenched Apple product line. They're not trying to play catch-up at the moment ... they're just trying to get on the map. From the article: '"Our next round of introductions will probably be in time for the holiday of this year." [Jason Reindorp] said Microsoft planned extensive research with focus groups in Europe to see how it could be modified for a European consumer. He said the Zune had a 10.2 percent market share in the U.S. in the 30 gigabyte category, according to the latest data, and that it was still in line to sell over a million units by June 30, the end of its current fiscal year.'"

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  1. Soon... by RichPowers · · Score: 5, Funny

    Europeans will be excitedly squirting all over the place!

    1. Re:Soon... by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...it was still in line to sell over a million units by June 30...

      I didn't realise there were that many stupid people out there... then I remember the guy that was voted into the Whitehouse *again*...

    2. Re:Soon... by hondo77 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, all that peace and prosperity. I don't know how we survived the nineties.

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  2. Greetings! by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 2, Funny

    I would like to take this opportunity to

    wel-
    come
    Europe
    to the
    social

    1. Re:Greetings! by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, since squirting certain songs won't be possible, maybe I should

      wel-
      come
      Europe
      to the
      anti-
      social

  3. Focus groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Microsoft planned extensive research with focus groups in Europe to see how it could be modified for a European consumer.

    Preliminary results suggest that European consumers would like it to be "less crappy".
    1. Re:Focus groups by i_should_be_working · · Score: 3, Funny

      Preliminary results suggest that European consumers would like it to be "less crappy".

      Those snooty Europeans, think they're better'n us do they?

    2. Re:Focus groups by rucs_hack · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I suspect it will be in for a very hard sell.
      The main problem is the perception that it wasn't built for the consumer, but for the media producers. This is another one for the bargain bucket if you ask me.

      I'm sure the designers were able to convince themselves that users want Zune style restrictions in their media experience, but history shows that people will gravitate towards the simplest device that meets their needs, and the Zune isn't it.

      The sad thing is there is probably some kickass hardware in the thing, but it's been tasked, as I said, to suit media producers first, which is the wrong way round.

    3. Re:Focus groups by ThePhilips · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The news just came after I have started noticing iPods around me more often than before. I guess with iPod Nano and its price Apple had finally nabbed European market. I welcome M$ to challenge the 150€ price of 4GB iPod Nano.

      I have had two non-iPods before and have to confess that iPod is most invisible of all: SanDisk Sansa does often needs to be booted up and boot takes ~10-15 seconds (important to add that sound quality - just like on recent Creatives - sucks big time) and Philips SA117 had just too inconvenient menu which forced you to do N clicks for no apparent reason all the time (and it didn't supported anything beside MP3/WMA - no NG (e.g. AAC or OGG) formats).

      iPod? Turn off "Hold" and it is instantly ready - right were you left it week ago - for you commands. Doesn't support OGG - but does AAC. Much better than that "PlaysForSure" crap. OMG! STOP. Didn't M$ dropped support for "PlaysForSure" with Zune? Oh yeah, well, what ever, what ever. I'll stick with iPod - for the time being.

      P.S. As Eropean customer, I can say several things. Most important, people here are not that "computerized" when compared to Asia or North America: traditions prevail and computers for what little they can do are too expensive. (Hint: loading/charging with computer only == hard sell.) Also price is very sensitive issue and player above 300€ has few chances to be popular: preserving traditions takes its toll - normally in form of exaggregated taxes (all around Europe). And of course artist lobby groups who have lobbied themselves into state laws long time ago would want to have a share of the feast too - just like they did with most of storage media already. Would M$ be still competitive to Apple which have ironed all the problems in past three years? Wir werden sehen.

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    4. Re:Focus groups by fbjon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Most important, people here are not that "computerized" when compared to Asia or North America
      Really, now? Which part of Europe?
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    5. Re:Focus groups by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about Unicode information? One of the things I like about the iPod is it's support for just about any language I throw at it.

      My roomate is Vietnamese and she asked me to rip some cassettes so that she could listen to them on her new iPod nano. So I had a grand old time entering the song names and artists in Vietnamese, complete with all the accents and such. When we moved it to her iPod, I was curious as to whether it would have a problem with this or not.

      Nope. No problem. All the accents and everything else came through with flying colors.

      How is Zune with international information?

    6. Re:Focus groups by Weedlekin · · Score: 2, Informative

      "But I think what GP said may apply to Southern and Eastern Europe."

      I live in a part of Europe that's as far south as you can get while still being in Europe (Spain), and computers are everywhere, as are personal music players (mostly iPods) -- just about everyone seems to have some sort of broadband Internet link too. However, it is likely that the Zune will have a fairly difficult time here despite this due to the iconic status that the iPod has attained, especially among females, few of whom would even consider being seen with anything else.

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  4. Fo Shizzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah right, after Apple launch iPhone by June, these will sell like umbrellas in a submarine

  5. Europeans Love Windows Media Player by Divebus · · Score: 2, Funny

    As much as the Europeans warmly embrace Windows Media Player (or Windows Anything), so too shall their success be.

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  6. The "30 GB cathegory"? by Martin+Kallisti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It might be prudent to ask how many different players the "30 GB cathegory" consists of. This sounds like the Zune's total market share is very, very small.

  7. 10.2 percent? by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

    He said the Zune had a 10.2 percent market share in the U.S. in the 30 gigabyte category

    How specific do you want to be? How about this:

    He said the Zune had a 10.2 percent market share in the U.S. in the 30 gigabyte category, and 100 percent market share in the U.S. in the 30 gigabyte Zune category.

    1. Re:10.2 percent? by sinan · · Score: 5, Funny

      He said the Zune had a 10.2 percent market share in the U.S. in the 30 gigabyte category

      "If you can't make the numerator rarger, make the denominator smarrer."

            -- Guy Kawasaki - The Computer Curmudgeon

  8. Possible reason for the move by kanweg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that because they have a big stockpile of unsold zunes?

    Bert

  9. Re:iPod? by shawnce · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually one exists, available in black and white.

    Of course it is a funny statement to see coming from Microsoft.

  10. Fishy Numbers by Triv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the Zune had a 10.2 percent market share in the U.S. in the 30 gigabyte category, according to the latest data...

    That's fishy to me because it sounds like they mean of concurrent sales (meaning it wouldn't include people who bought 30gb iPods when Apple still made them in that size).

    What that means is, of all media players sold this year that store 30GB of data that aren't iPods, the Zune has a 10% market share which, factoring in Apple's huge part of that market, is much, much smaller a percentage than it sounds like.



    Triv

    1. Re:Fishy Numbers by sangreal66 · · Score: 3, Informative

      the Zune had a 10.2 percent market share in the U.S. in the 30 gigabyte category, according to the latest data...

      That's fishy to me because it sounds like they mean of concurrent sales (meaning it wouldn't include people who bought 30gb iPods when Apple still made them in that size).

      What that means is, of all media players sold this year that store 30GB of data that aren't iPods, the Zune has a 10% market share which, factoring in Apple's huge part of that market, is much, much smaller a percentage than it sounds like.



      Triv

      The latest iPod comes in 30GB and 80GB. Where are you guys getting this notion that Apple no longer makes 30GB iPods? A quick visit to apple.com will prove that untrue.
    2. Re:Fishy Numbers by WaZiX · · Score: 5, Funny

      What are you talking about? They have HUGE market share on Brown/30 GB/Freescale i. MX31L processor ARM Core/3 Inch QVGA LCD screen(320×240) MP3 players!

  11. Re:iPod? by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're right. My 5G iPod is actually a 27.82GB model according to the Capacity field in iTunes.

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  12. Re:Sony still saying "no sharing"? by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With a rollout in EU, and an anticipated 1M units sold by June here, what is the impact with the latest development whereby songs purchased for the Zune are not "squirtable" courtesy SONY's proscription? Is it really true about 50% of SONY songs purchased in the Microsoft way are not shareable with other Zune owners (if you can find them)?

    I would guess that the sharing feature is not a show stopper for most people. The real question is whether or not the Zune will be priced under the iPod or any of the other "competitors". You have already mentioned the big reason why it's not a show stopper -- no one has a Zune anyway.

  13. Re:iPod? by Divebus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hey... there is a 30gig iPod. So out of 9 different iPod models, the Zune had a 10.2% share of one of those which effectively means 1.13% share against iPods. Mix in every other player in contention and their market share is probably more like 0.04%.

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  14. It wasn't on Sale Here? by WaZiX · · Score: 5, Funny

    With all my excitement over Zune, I actually didn't realize it wasn't even on sale...

  15. I've got a Zune by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My impressions:
    • The wireless feature is fairly useless. It would be nice if lots of people owned Zunes, but I don't see that happening.
    • The Zune software is really blah. That's unfortunate. I wish the Zune hardware interfaced with Windows Media Player 11, which I like more than iTunes. (The iTunes software is one reason I didn't get an iPod.)
    • The killer feature, to me, is the unlimited download subscription service. I've been having a lot of fun with that.
    • And finally, it's amazing to me how much money can be spend on a massively bad marketing campaign.
  16. Even fish would find that statement too fishy. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MOD PARENT UP!!

    This statement sounds fishy: "He said the Zune had a 10.2 percent market share in the U.S. in the 30 gigabyte category, according to the latest data,..."

    I suspect most people don't buy the 30 GigaByte iPod. I suspect that the "latest data" is only for new sales, and doesn't take into account all the iPods already sold in that category.

    I also suspect that the "latest data" is a complete lie. Most people who call themselves marketing professionals are professional liars more than anything, in my experience.

    I'd like to know how many people with no knowledge of MP3 players bought a Zune to give to someone as a Christmas present. I'd like to know how many Zune owners are dissatisfied with them.

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    1. Re:Even fish would find that statement too fishy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      it should also be worth noting MS predictions for sales mean jack squat. If memory serves, they predicted they would sell a million by Christmas 2006. When that obviously didn't happen, they threw up their arms in joy and said they were pleased and that a million by june was their real target. At this rate, im sure they will be say "just wait to the back to schools season, thats when we strike!"

    2. Re:Even fish would find that statement too fishy. by Technician · · Score: 2, Funny

      I also suspect that the "latest data" is a complete lie.

      Maybe it's the after Christmas closeout sale stuff that didn't sell. Most other players were sold out. I went to 3 stores looking for a 30 Gig Zen. The droid at Best Buy thought I said Zune and didn't know about the Zen.

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  17. Low bar by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    Happy with the sales ...

    I guess their expections were rather on the low side.

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  18. The market share percentage is misleading by PapayaSF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The market share percentage is certainly misleading when you look at the raw numbers: the Zune was introduced in November, and by June (7 months later) they say they will have sold 1 million. On the other hand, Apple sold 21 million iPods in the last quarter alone, and over 8 million in each of the previous 3 quarters.

    In other words, by June Apple should be selling about as many iPods every 10 days as there were Zunes sold in 7 months. Put it that way, and it's hard for Microsoft to brag about.

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    1. Re:The market share percentage is misleading by MrNonchalant · · Score: 2, Informative

      In October 2001 a music player was introduced. By the end of that year it had sold just 125,000 units. That MP3 player was the iPod. The Zune's launch figures mean very little, what it does in the next few years is everything. It's far too early to call this match.

    2. Re:The market share percentage is misleading by Platina86 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But in 2001, the marked for mp3 players wasnt that big. Like it is now. So its a little misleading. When you are saying it that way.

    3. Re:The market share percentage is misleading by slamb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your feature list would cripple the product.

      - Plays music directly off its filesystem (which can be accessed as a USB mass storage device), so I don't need software!

      Not easy to do well. Either it has a horrible UI (like all of the no-name players you mention) which can't handle searching by ID3 tags, or it has to do its own indexing. The latter is not easy - even recognizing when new files show up is not trivial, given that the computer is talking to it through the USB mass storage interface as a block device! It would have to have some weird code to translate the block requests back into filesystem requests and check on each request until the whole file shows up, or just suspend while talking to the computer (no music when it's plugged in) and walk the entire filesystem for changes afterward (probably slow).

      - Has a mini-USB connector for sync and charge

      I think mini-USB connectors have extreme current limitations. It'd either have low battery life or would take forever to charge. Is carrying around the (included) iPod cable so much of a problem that you're willing to accept that tradeoff?

      - Plays MPEG-1, MPEG-2, XVID, and H.264 (with a decent range of resolution and bitrate options, bonus points for FLV support)

      My 1GHz G4 PowerBook skips when playing fancier, newer codecs. Do you think they can make an affordable, low-power, miniaturized system that has even a fighting chance?

      - Has a decent UI

      Development and UI testing take time and money. There doesn't seem to be much money left after the cost of your hardware, and sometimes design choices are incompatible with having a good UI. There are certain patented interface options (scroll wheel, some touch screen stuff now) not available to most vendors, either.

      - Is as small as an iPod Nano

      Miniaturization is expensive, and flash is still more expensive than spindle. You were just talking about video, so you probably want a lot of space, too.

      Why can't someone do this? All of the no-name players have the feature list down, but they invariably have crappy UIs and/or crappy form factors.

      You've listed a bunch of features which aren't that important to most consumers yet would cripple the product and send its cost through the roof. If these no-name players do all of these...well, no wonder why they're no-name players. They made poor design decisions.

    4. Re:The market share percentage is misleading by Barnoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But then again, almost everybody who would ever want an mp3 player has one by now. Putting it that way, it's probably more difficult to enter an already saturated market.

      The whole thing reminds me of the XBox: MS didn't sell many units at first, and we were laughing at them. But now, the XBox360 is already outselling the Wee and the Playstation3 (although not the PS2).

  19. So wait... by Kohaku+Nanaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're going to launch the Zune in EU, but not in Canada? Do they fear our ability to legally download over here? Oh well... even if it isn't that, I never expect Microsoft to do things logically a lot of the time.

  20. Ballmer said 20-25% of all hard disks models by Peter+Bonte · · Score: 3, Informative

    And now its just 10.5 % in the 30 gigabyte category? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo Ballmer really has no clue at all. :P

  21. Brown? by loconet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft is going to be sending little brown things to the EU? Is this as a response of the EU sanctions?

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  22. Re:Apple by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Slashdot categories are quite broken and have been for ages. There is no section for Free Software, for example, so articles about GNOME or KDE end up in the Linux or BSD category, in spite of the fact that they are relatively kernel-agnostic.

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  23. When You Head up the Zune Product & Ballmer... by BoRegardless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is your Boss, you had BETTER be quick & nimble with the BIG WORDS, & the HOT PLANS, & the NEW MARKET ENTRY at the NEXT HOLIDAY season, & (most important of all)...

    You had best get your RESUME OUT THERE NOW, and get that FLACK JACKET & HELMET on because you never known when chairs are going to fly again.

    None of this is surprising to anyone I've talked to. No One!

    What I am hearing from diehard PC users I run across is subdued speculation, and NOT about Zune. The speculation is all whether VISTA will mean anything to them.

    I pity the project managers under Ballmer, because their stomachs must be tied in a knot 24 hours a day. Been there, done that, and you can't survive long that way.

  24. -better- europeans by mbaudis · · Score: 4, Funny

    we certainly think so. but then, we lack the outstanding politicians the current u.s. of a. is graced with ;-)

  25. European modifications.. by pesc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft planned extensive research with focus groups in Europe to see how it could be modified for a European consumer.

    Beige?

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    1. Re:European modifications.. by edwardpickman · · Score: 2, Funny

      In an attempt to make the Zune appeal to French buyers, Gates suggested it be named Le Merde. The VPs drew lots to see who would explain to him what the word meant.

  26. Europe collectively..... by edwardpickman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yawns

  27. Re:iPod? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course it is a funny statement to see coming from Microsoft.

    Well, what did you expect? "We think we have some overall marketshare, but we can't say for sure, because the figure is lower than the error in the survey"?

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  28. Opinion on the Zune by rjdegraaf · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Check out the video on the Zune Player (very funny, but true).


    It discusses:
    - MS Zune's does not work with MS Windows Vista
    - MS Zune's incompatibility with (even) MSN Music Format (you have to rebuild your music collection)
    - 4 registration's before buying music from the Zune music store (when player installs, MS passport, Music Store Website, Tag registration)
    - Zune points for buying music, to mislead consumers on the price of music (1 Zune point > 1 dollar, thus 0.79 ZunePoint looks cheaper)
    - Zune player WiFi music share expires songs shared after 3 times listening or 3 days (whichever comes first)

    Hilarious!

    See also: CNN.com ridicules Zune Player

  29. MOD PARENT UP by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    How refreshing to read something about the Zune by a real consumer who actually has one and is saying things that have the ring of truth to them.

    (It doesn't bother you that everything you've bought will go poof if you don't keep paying $15 every month?)

  30. Re:Zune by Technician · · Score: 2, Interesting

    However, if they did offer Zunes at a substantial (30%-50%) price advantage over iPods, AND if they beefed up the applications for the WiFi feature,

    And had a store for the tunes with prices 50% lower with a full catalog....

    People buy iPods because they can use it at the hottest online music store. Nobody buys a Zune so they can shop at the MS Zune store. I haven't heard one rave review of the wonderful selection and prices at the Zune store except one person here in this thread. Someone likes the Subscription model for unlimited downloads. Other than that, I have not heard anything about the online music store.

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  31. Re:I don't believe it by Technician · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a hard time believing this - with even 10% market share, I think I'd have seen one "in the wild" by now.

    With all the ribbing, who would admit to having one? If I got one for Christmas, I would stick it in my pocket and keep it there. I might pick up a nice pair of white headphones to go with it.

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