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Microsoft Admits Vista Has "High Impact Issues"

EggsAndSausage writes "Microsoft has granted, in a roundabout way, that Vista has 'high impact issues.' It has put out an email call for technical users to participate in testing Service Pack 1, due out later this year, which will address 'regressions from Windows Vista and Windows XP, security, deployment blockers and other high impact issues.' It's hard to know whether to be reassured that Service Pack 1 is coming in the second half of 2007, and thus that there is a timeframe for considering deployment of Vista within businesses, or to be alarmed that Microsoft is unleashing an OS on the world with 'high impact issues' still remaining." In other news, one blogger believes that Vista is the first Microsoft OS since Windows 3.1 to have regressed in usability from its predecessor (he kindly forgives and dismisses Windows ME). And there's a battle raging over the top 10 reasons to get Vista or not to get Vista.

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  1. Article /.ted by gsn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Reckon you won't upgrade to Vista until the first service pack is released? That's looking likely to be the second half of this year, according to Microsoft's latest email blast.

    The company has put out a call for "customers and partners (to) actively test and provide feedback on Windows Vista SP1 to help us prepare for its release in the second half of CY07 (calendar year 2007)."

    Microsoft hasn't released details of exactly what changes will be wrought in Vista SP1, which has been assigned the codename 'Fiji' but some OS components which missed the RTM cut-off will almost certainly be rolled into the update.

    One of the candidates for this better-late-than-never brigade would be the Windows PowerShell, previously Microsoft Shell -- a .NET-based command line shell with its own scripting language.

    However, the Redmond clarion call declares that "regressions from Windows Vista and Windows XP, security, deployment blockers and other high impact issues as are the primary focus for the Service Pack."

    So, yes, the still not-yet-released Vista has "high impact issues".

    Testers will be enrolled in the Vista SP1 "Technology Adoption Program" and "must be willing to provide feedback and deploy pre-release builds into production environments."

    In exchange, Microsoft promises they will have "an opportunity to influence product changes including the opportunity to work directly with product groups influencing their short term and long term goals".

    Channels of communications back to the mother ship will include weekly LiveMeeting sessions, "onsite events and regular conference calls" with "24/7 production support for the Service Pack throughout the program."

    There's also a clear desire to ensure that SP1 is rock sold. One of the goals for TAP testers will be to "validate the stability of Windows Vista SP1 through production deployments" says the email.

    "It's important that customers deploy the Service Pack into production environments within 30 days of a milestone release. Issues will surface from the deployments as well as throughout the program as end users test its limits thought their day-to-day activities. The Windows TAP team will work with customers to identify and drive these issues."

    If Vista SP1 scrapes in by December 2007 it will have been 11 months since the OS itself debuted -- the same length of time it took for Windows XP to get its first service pack. However, Microsoft is almost certainly aiming for a much earlier arrival, perhaps to overcome the reluctance among consumers and businesses alike to plunge headfirst into Vista. This is most often espoused in the conventional Windows wisdom which suggests waiting until Service Pack 1 ships.

    So how do you get invited to sit at the cool kids' table with all the other TAP folk? This isn't a program for mere mortals. Microsoft suggests that interested users contact their" Technical Account Manager at Microsoft to get nominated".

    The Chosen Ones will be expected to "deploy pre-release versions of Service Pack 1 into production environments at each major milestone (Beta, RC, RTM) within 30 days of the milestone release, actively provide feedback on all builds made available to them" and also "meet or exceed predetermined deployment count goals for each milestone."

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  2. Re:"Inbuilt undelete" by atsabig10fo · · Score: 1, Informative

    actually it does work. i can guarantee that it does, because i accidentally deleted a major compsci assignment last semester, and went back and used the restore previous option, and it worked just as advertised.

  3. Re:Seriously? by casualsax3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, it's a combination of him being dumb and the interface being admittedly unintuitive. If you look at the left side of the picture there's a button that says "Folders" ... what do you think that does... You only have to click it once, and you can slide it to hide your favorites if you want. http://www.intelliadmin.com/images/Windows%20File% 20Browsing%20Is%20Broken.jpg

  4. Re:Using Vista for a bit by eddy · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Exactly how is it less usable then XP. They pretty much both work.

    I think the first post on this page (check out the images) summarize it pretty succinctly:

    "Windows Media Player cannot play this DVD because there is a problem with digital copy protection between your DVD drive, decoder and video card. Try installing an updated driver for your video card."

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  5. Re:not a llort by sokoban · · Score: 5, Informative
    Who the fuck modded you +informative?

    This is a joke based on an old anti-Mac OS troll that used to get posted here on /. a whole lot back in the day.

    This should be +funny, but I guess a lot of people don't get the joke anymore and think you're serious.
    Here's the Original BTW:

    I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.

    In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.

    I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.

    Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
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  6. NTFS's alternate streams by r00t · · Score: 4, Informative

    These are Trouble with a capital "T".

    (For those that don't know: a file can have multiple bodies, and a directory can have file bodies too. You can do "notepad C:\WINDOWS:holycrap.txt" to put a stream on the WINDOWS directory.)

    Viruses hide in alternate streams. Backup software forgets alternate streams. Web servers and browsers forget alternate streams. FTP servers and clients forget alternate streams.

    When next you are running out of disk space, perhaps it is an alternate stream! The file size shown in Windows explorer does not show the alternate streams.

    If you really want this load of crap on Linux though... see the user_xattr mount option, which you may set via /etc/fstab or via the tune2fs program.

  7. Every large N started out with 0. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here, now there are two. Please qualify for which N slashdot is allowed to post. Thanks.

  8. Re:not a llort by sokoban · · Score: 2, Informative

    Jesus H. Christ people, GP is NOT A TROLL.

    IT'S FUNNY, LAUGH!

    lameness filter is lame

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  9. Not to nitpick by snuf23 · · Score: 2, Informative

    But the version of OSX that was available 6 years ago was a lot worse than the current one. Apple has made a lot of improvements over the past 6 years.

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  10. Re:Using Vista for a bit by slaker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nero. In fact, no software I tried for DVD burning (e.g. DVD Shrink, AnyDVD) worked under Vista. I tried the Enterprise edition, FWIW.
    Also, I suspect that upgraders who paid for a multi-year license for their Antivirus software are going to be in for a bit of a surprise.

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  11. Re:Using Vista for a bit by Nasarius · · Score: 3, Informative

    TortoiseSVN.

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  12. Re:Using Vista for a bit by shakestheclown · · Score: 1, Informative

    Hmm...strange, because I have tried Nero, Video Vault, 1Click DVD, DVD43 and they have all worked fine.

    I had problems with AnyDVD not working 100%, but for all I know that could be resolved by now.

    I have installed probably 50+ programs or so, only 4 or 5 didn't work with XP versions, and 4 or 5 more needed minor settings tweaks. A lot of people say that SQL Server Express, Visual Web Developer Express, Photoshop, etc. and all of those work fine with one compatibility mode setting change.

    At least 3 anti virus programs work fine with Vista (not counting Microsoft's offering), including AVG and Avast. All major companies will have an update out soon.

    Vista doesn't even launch officially for consumers until January 29...

  13. Re:Using Vista for a bit by lumber_13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It can be changed,
        Right click on start button(shiny vista logo) -> properties -> select start menu tab -> select classic start menu, (you can even customize it to your liking).
        And the search is like the one in OSX. I dont use it personaly but it helps, If you want old run button on start menu then there are settings to get that as well.
        It is not regression from XP, but added features alongwith old ones so if you dont like it the you can revert it back.

  14. These lists are generating a lot of discussion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A number of other bloggers have written rebuttals to the list of 10 reasons to use Windows. Some of them are actually pretty scathing.

    http://www.tipsdr.com/?p=725
    http://pinderkent.blogsavy.com/archives/30
    http://scott2096.blogspot.com/2007/01/10-reasons-n ot-to-get-vista.html
    http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2007/01/it_won t_conjure.html

    These lists were also discussed a lot over at OSNews recently: http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=17024

  15. Re:One blogger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "Since when does "one blogger"'s view qualify as "news"? I'm sure at least "one blogger" thinks that OSX sucks or at least "one blogger" thinks that Linux sucks. Would that qualify as "news" as well?"

    Well, OS X and Linux isn't made by Microsoft. Hence this makes news now doesn't it.
    1) The new file browsing interface is broken: Ok not being able to use a file browser to locate your files might be considered a necessary function. Sorry to say; people store files on their PC's or on a server, if you are not able to locate them; you will have one angry boss.

    2) Number 2 - The new start menu sucks (Kind of): Ok, granted this isn't such a big deal.

    3) Number 3 - Windows Networking is a mess: This is going to frustrate users. Work can still be accomplished; but it looks to be a pain. You still could probably work though it.

    4) Number 4 - Windows Search Is Broken: This one is critical just like number one. If you cannot browse or use find to get your files; you will have some NOT so happy words about your PC and Gates.

    5) Number 5 - Windows copying has not improved: This is another big deal for people transfering data around a network. If some how you magcially get luck enough to find your files; you aren't going to be happy about transfering them.

    Sum it up 1,4,5 are huge deals; 2 & 3 are going to be obnoxious and annoying; however you can work through 2&3.

    "The quality of the "news stories" that slashdot carries has gone downhill drastically in recent months."

    Issues 1,4 and 5 are big deals; and that is probably why it made it here on slashdot. 2&3 can be worked around; 1, 4 & 5 you are asking for a lot of pain and forgiveness. Think about the average windows user; going to command prompt to locate files and move them around your system is not acceptable. Sorry to say but it really isn't acceptable.

  16. Alternate file streams (Re:"Inbuilt undelete") by jbevren · · Score: 2, Informative

    Macintosh, mid 1980's: Mac Filing System (MFS, used on the 400k floppies) and Apple's older and current HFS revisions all support(ed) an alternate stream. In Apple's case, theyre referred to as Forks. There's a resource fork, which contains application data, document resources, etc. There's also a data stream which commonly contains the document data itself.

    Picture, if you will, an application with all of its support DLL's included within the executable file. You have nearly every macintosh application written prior to OSX.

    "Alternate file streams" as it is is not a new invention from MSFT. It's a 20 year or more old technology. It's yet another other rework of a technology by MSFT that Apple originally designed.

    Alternate file streams may have their uses, but theyre pretty much outmoded by the true random file access granted by any modern filesystem. You use a standardized file format (ELF, BFT, EXE, DLL, etc) that contains a table which contains locations and sizes for each data segment within a file. Even Apple have seen the light and moved away from forked and multistream files to a solution that works on flat (non-forked/streamed) filesystems.

    -jbevren

  17. Re:Using Vista for a bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Dude, never argue with an idiot (I suspect I don't need to tell you why). It's obvious from his attitude that he is a teenager who is unjustifiably proud of his 'mastery' of the latest Microsoft operating system.

    Just think, in a few years he could be answering your support calls while you earn a real living.

  18. Re:Old DOS Feature by Baricom · · Score: 2, Informative

    Depends on which mode of undelete you used. There were three: the typical undelete functionality, which you described; delete tracker, which actively avoided writing to the deleted FAT entry until there were no other options; and delete sentry, which moved the files to a hidden directory, much like the Recycle Bin does today.

  19. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  20. Re:Seriously? by ded_guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    As an aside, I usually use the command-line findstr command when I need to do a real text search. It's three-quarters-assed compared to grep but it hasn't failed me yet.

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  21. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Make XP search like 2000:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\ContentIndex

    If it doesn't exist already, create a dword called FilterFilesWithUnknownExtensions and set value to 1.

    This hack is part of our standard build.

    See MS KB309173 for more info.

    IPRO Tech, Inc.