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Why the .XXX Domain is a Bad Idea That Won't Die

Reader tqft tipped us to an opinion piece on the UK site The Guardian, which lays out the reasons why article writer Seth Finkelstein feels the .XXX domain is a terrible idea. You may recall that last year (being an election year and all), the concept of a triple-X ghetto was revived, considered, and then quashed all in the space of a few months. We also recently discussed the fact that the idea just won't die, as the company ICM Registry pushes ICANN to allow them to pass out the names by Summer. Finkelstein primarily argues that the new domain is a bad idea from a business point of view. Ignoring for a moment the issue that much of this content is already labeled, he sees this as primarily a means for ICM Registry to gain a monopoly on what is sure to be a hot-selling product. Speculators, pornographers, and above-board companies will all jump on the namespace in an effort to ensure that their domain is represented ... or not, as the case may be. Where do you fall on this issue? Would a .XXX domain be helpful for parents, or just a political salve/moneymaking scam?

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  1. Heh... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ignoring for a moment the issue that much of this content is already labeled

    Yeah, it's labeled all right. About the time you see a writhing vulva on your screen, and a mega-penis thrusting repeatedly into it using the latest in animated gif technology, you may notice a small blurb of text that says "Please proceed only if you are 18 years of age or older".

    1. Re:Heh... by dreddnott · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's interesting to note that the "latest in animated gif technology" is 18 years old this year. I refer of course to the GIF89a specification. :)

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  2. No more tlds please... by Beuno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not against it, I just want new tlds to stop being approved left and right just to make profit out of basically no service.
    It's starting to get very complicated to rely on URLs and the amount of money you have to spend to keep your companys name in your hands is ridiculous.

    1. Re:No more tlds please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Register your company's name under one TLD, the one which your users are most familiar with. Then sue everyone who registers your trademarked name under any other TLD: The existing name registries trump the domain name system. There is no need to register under all TLDs. On the contrary, it only causes confusion for your users and can wreak havoc with your search engine ranking if you're not doing it exactly right.

      Besides, we need many more TLDs. Not dozens more. Hundreds or thousands more. Only when there are too many domains to register under all will that insanity stop. Only then will other TLDs mean something. Today it's either .com or bust, because users rarely see something else. After all, the other TLDs are just partial duplicates of .com anyway. Even big country code TLDs often cause an unbelieving stare when the email address doesn't end in .com. The last part of the domain name isn't just a delimiter, it actually means something and can be something other than .com. It is very important that we get this message through to users. Too much mail gets misdirected to the .com domain when it should have gone to the CCTLD which belongs to the company that the user wanted to send the mail to. This has got to change, and the way is more choice, not less.

  3. bad idea by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what constitutes porn? to a lot of people it's the act of sex between two people that is captured in a form of "real" media (photos or videos as opposed to paintings). however to a lot of america (or amerikkka as liberal websites would say :/) it is nudity in a medical or anatomy book when not viewed by an artist or doctor.

  4. It won't die because you fools don't read RFCs by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Would a .XXX domain be helpful for parents

    No. Really, stop asking.

    1. Re:It won't die because you fools don't read RFCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      As a parent, it will help me out when I am searching for pr0n so I will later have more time to spend with the kids.

  5. I'm for it. I think. by Spacejock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I help to run web filtering at a small primary school, and while I realise a TLD like this won't shift all the crud into an easily-blocked area of the net, it's a good start. Of course, the downside is that nanny-state governments can then instruct ISPs to block the TLD, thus protecting their good citizens. Protecting primary school kids is one thing, but 'protecting' adults is a whole different ball game.

    I guess I just argued for both sides of the equation. I think I'm getting fence splinters.

    1. Re:I'm for it. I think. by Conception · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On an aside, I think the only way to reliably filter at school is to have a white list of addresses approved at the firewall/router. There's just too much to blacklist reliably, and the list of whitelistable sites is probably pretty small. And with some method where kids can ask to have sites added for whatever reason, you should be able to grow the whitelist easily without worry about some bright kid circumventing or accidentally running across teh pR0n. Primary school kids don't need access to the whole internet, just the few kid safe spaces they need to do whatever they need to do.

    2. Re:I'm for it. I think. by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Informative

      i applude your sane reasoned response, and i would like to add that the very definition of becomign and adult is that you don't -need- protection from new idea's or adult situations.

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    3. Re:I'm for it. I think. by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Protecting primary school kids is one thing, but 'protecting' adults is a whole different ball game.
      Fuck the Children.

      If they come across a porn site "by accident" amid their travel, I considering it part of a process called "growing up". Anyone with anecdotal evidence of some random teenager's life being "consumed" by porn is hearby and forever adviced to move to Saudi Arabia. They love you there.
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    4. Re:I'm for it. I think. by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fuck the Children. Erm..... you may wish to rephrase that, unless you were actually advocating paedophilia :-O

      Anyone with anecdotal evidence of some random teenager's life being "consumed" by porn Teenager's lives *are* consumed by porn; heck, if you ban it like those f****d-up Wahabi tossers, 14-year-olds will still jerk off twenty times a day to two goats at it in the yard.
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  6. I think I represent the majority by Gazzonyx · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think I represent the majority of us here when I say, "Who cares?".


    This seems to be rooted solely in politics and the money thereof. Let's leave this one to the politicians, knowing when everything is said and done, more is said than done.

    Just my $.02

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  7. sexual repression by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this whole .xxx debate is about sexual repression. while having a .xxx domain won't stop the less responsible porn peddlers from invading the rest of the web as they already have done, it certainly won't hurt at all. what this debate is really about, it the religous right not being able to stand the thought of someone living a life style they consider sinful. if we let them have their way the world would be forced into a scary ned flanders world.

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  8. Re:Crazy by thc69 · · Score: 3, Funny

    No more coffee with your paper? What, did you eat a caffeinated donut?

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  9. Re:Why not? by recursiv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Be done with what? Good luck getting the porn off of .com domains.

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  10. Re:Why not? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the implied assumption is that the whole net except .XXX must be protected, that it all must be made child-safe. This eventually results in treating all adults like children. It is far better to give children their own ( such as .kid or .chd ) and retain the assumption that we adults are capable of making decisions for ourselves.

  11. I have an idea for a solution by JPriest · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The reality of the matter is that even if a .xxx domain is created it

    A) makes porn easier to find
    B) Does not solve the problem of being able to filter it with parental control software because nobody is going to shut down the porn.com's.

    The porn sites have a right to exist, who are we to force them over to .xxx domains? Forcing them all to register with some central DB so they can be black listed would also be impossible becasue there is no realistic way to keep the DB updated. My solution for addressing the filtering software problem is very simple. We amend robots.txt to include a section for Adult content. A simple addition on porn sites of a line like this would solve the problem.

    User-agent: * Disallow: /forums/
    Disallow: /members/
    Disallow: /downloads/
    Adult: /

    Sites not interested in adding the field to robots.txt are not required to by law, but many websites would be willing to accommodate something like this to assist Net Nanny etc., but would fight having to leave porn.net behind for pornforyou12341.xxx tooth and nail. On the internet your company name and your domain name are often the same. Moving them to another TLD would equate to making them shut down and start over under a new name.

    This would also greatly assist Google etc. in blocking some of these sites where "safe search" is turned on thus prevent people form going to a jenny.com by mistake and finding porn.

    I have made this suggestion a number of time in the past. Maybe I should look into what it would take to get it drafted into an RFC?

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    1. Re:I have an idea for a solution by pyrrhonist · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have made this suggestion a number of time in the past. Maybe I should look into what it would take to get it drafted into an RFC?

      No need. There is already a standard: Platform for Internet Content Selection (PICS)...

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  12. Re:Why not? by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Be done with what? The arguing over whether or not we should have the domain. Once we get it, I'd bet most of the pr0n will move there for "prestige" reasons, and most new adult sites will be there. In the long run, I can't see what possible harm it can do to let them have their tld.

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  13. Just do it already by garylian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't really get why this is such a bad idea. Especially if they make it so that any site that sells/features nudity/porn has to move to such an extension.

    Let's face it. www.whitehouse.com was one of the all-time great name squatting done. For the longest time, that was a porn site. How many kids and unsuspecting adults stumbled onto that one in the early days?

    I'm no screaming conservative by any stretch of the imagination. I lean a lot further towards liberalism than I ever though I would, mostly because I am tired of religion affecting our laws so much, and personal freedoms being stripped from us left and right.

    But I don't see any harm in setting these websites up in a much easier to control/block segment of the websphere. And many of these webmasters would love it if it was that much easier to block content by parents. Just think of all the credit card charges to crap companies that supposedly verify age because a person has a CC #? Sheesh, I had one at 16!

    At the very least, I could see killing 50% of the pop-ups I run into, simply by blocking all .xxx domains if that was the only place they could be. And all these damn library filters and crap could be made easier. Block blatant porn, and anything else is fair game. I don't see them putting the Anatomy books behind locked doors so kids can't see a drawing of a nude human, and they don't do it with National Geographic, either. This makes it easy to block porn, and keep everything else open.

    Besides, think of all the business that it would stir up for a while. All those porn banners having to be redone! hehehe

    1. Re:Just do it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don't see why this is a bad idea? What constitutes porn?

      Does any depiction of a bare breast, buttock, vulva, or penis indicate porn? If you ask my parents then yes it does. If you ask me, I say No. Michelangelo's "David" is not pornographic. "The Birth of Venus" by Botticelli is not porn. Those two examples show my opinion on the matter. However, many others will disagree with me and will state that one or the other, or even both are pornographic. What about images that depict Dante's "Inferno"? Many of those paintings show naked bodies being consumed by a demon, and some show burning naked flesh. Are those pornographic?

      You may ask why am I bringing up paintings or "works of art" in regards to a .xxx tld. The simple answer is "Why Not?" Let's state this another way, Obscene material is only obscene to those that decide it is obscene. A .xxx tld is not only going to be related to porn. It will be related to anything that someone considers obscene. I know it when I see it* cannot be applied to obscene material unless obscene material is categorized, and that statement, however, truthful it may be, is not good enough.
      * Note: that link is to the history version of Wikipedia, following that link should take you to the Jan 5th version that was current when I wrote this text.

      Who decides what belongs on a .xxx domain? Will that decision be changed later in time, by a different group of people?

      All a .xxx tld will do is first cause a bunch of people to waste money on a new tld for their company. Does that mean that we will have to get a www.whitehouse.xxx domain for the government? I mean technically whitehouse.com and whitehouse.xxx have nothing to do with whitehouse.gov or whitehouse.org. The whitehouse website is not a commercial entity, so why does it need a .com? Yes, I know many people do not use the Top Level Domains correctly. However, the first few Top Level Domains were created to keep people from having issues like this. The foundation was set, it is everyone's fault that instead of a well built and maintained house, we only have a shack built of salvaged items.

      A .xxx tld is only a money grab from some and a political move by others. Many "Christian" organizations do not want a .xxx tld as it will legitimize obscene material. Just like how a red-light district legitimized the acts done in a red-light district. These used to be more prevalent here in the States. Freedom organizations should be against this is as it is a censorship move. This is a move against adults and not a solution for kids. .com is the most accurate tld to use when dealing with obscene material that makes money. In most people's views this is pornography. Pornography that makes money directly, should be on a .com. Pornography that makes money through ads and such, should be on a .org or a .us or any country tld. However, since no one is going to force those to work, why should they force a .xxx to work? Just because it has three letters that are all the same? If they cannot make target.com go to the store website, while making target.org go to an informational website dealing with targets, how are they going to make target.xxx go to a site involving targeting of people with fluids from other people? Or will Target the store purchase the target.xxx in order to "protect their name" and redirect you to target.com?

      The following paragraph is a bit off from my above, but I wanted to include it.
      Do you remember when online services blocked the word 'breast' in order to "protect" people? They ended up blocking people from finding information related to breast cancer and other information that had the word breast in it. That block was removed, as people just started using br3ast more often.

  14. No, .XXX is bad by JPriest · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It isn't the porn industry that wants the change. Creating a red light district would arguably make porn easier to find for children, and at the same time if you don't force them all off the .coms's you have not really solved the problem of filtering. Who has the right to say porn is not welcome on the rest of the Internet anyway? The United States? George Bush?


    In some countries it is considered wrong for women to lift their veils so other men can see their faces, and in some women walk around with no shits on like men. Sure there are obvious cases, but who has the final word on what is and isn't sexually explicit content? Who is going to pay to enforce these new morals and who's morals?

    Do the American tax payers launch a multi billion dollar crusade to purge the internet of porn and bring our Christian morals to the internationally based Internet?

    Early proposals for .xx were to mandate that all porn sites use some form of age verification (ie credit card). With all the fraud on the internet do you honestly believe entering your credit card number and personal into on every porn site you see is a good idea? What age constitutes a "minor" anyway? 18 y/o like in the US? How many people here have never seen any porn before the age of 18? How did you turn out?

    To me this only sounds like a pathway for rampant fraud. I don't want to complain without offering up my own solution, so I think if anything is to be done then appending robots.txt to include a line for "Adult: /" where the webmaster of the site sees fit is a much better idea. I posted more on this suggestion here

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    1. Re:No, .XXX is bad by SashaMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...and in some women walk around with no shits on like men. ... Do the American tax payers launch a multi billion dollar crusade to purge the internet of porn and bring our Christian morals to the internationally based Internet?

      I'd just like to state that though I am non-Christian, I am thoroughly against people walking around with shits on.

      Unless you're in to that stuff, sicko.

    2. Re:No, .XXX is bad by jlarocco · · Score: 2, Funny

      In some countries it is considered wrong for women to lift their veils so other men can see their faces, and in some women walk around with no shits on like men.

      Assuming you meant "shirts," which country would that be? I think I may be going there soon for, um, business *cough*, and uh, I was just wondering if, um, coincidently, it may be the same country?

    3. Re:No, .XXX is bad by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I was in college, UC Santa Cruz had no dress code and you were free to walk around campus with no clothes on if you chose to. And some people definitely, and unfortunately, chose to.

  15. Re:Why not? by daeg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why would you ever move to .xxx? Prestige or not, it's just too easy to block .xxx. Access is everything to the porn industry.

    While a few of the large-profile sites can afford to move (the subscription-based ones), the smaller sites that are based on the shared subscription model (you pay $XX/year for access to all member sites, those member sites take a portion of profit) will just multiply, compounding any filtering problems.

    Has anyone actually investigated whether the XXX industry actually WANTS the tld? The only thing I've seen personally is the company that is pushing .xxx, and they obviously only want to make a big shiny penny (just like every other stupid specialized domain, e.g., .mobi).

  16. If we care.. by wanax · · Score: 4, Informative

    The basic issue of porn, etc, isn't gonna go away: a significant proportion of people think that sex is bad/dirty etc. In the US we now have a fairly zealous set of laws prohibiting various sexual action/production (just look at the ESPN.com headline yesterday about the 17 year old who's in prison 10 year mandatory for getting a blow job from a 15 year old). With people that are willing to agitate for these beliefs around, I think in terms of technology we should work to make things like porn as clearly classed as possible, like the xxx domain. I would much rather fight over these issues in the .xxx domain, rather than having my freedoms circumscribed in misguided efforts to attain the approval of the zealous because porn is 'hard to filter.'

  17. Helpful in the long run by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I can't speak much about the registry part of a .xxx name, I believe that it would be useful in the long run.

    While porn ad sites don't care about age, regular pay-for-porn sites would probably prefer those with access to a credit card, meaning those who can likely be there legally. Basically, market the .xxx name for sites that are looking for a purely adult audience. Not just porn, but maybe places like adultfriendfinder, discussions involving less pleasent ideas, and so forth.

    The government could work off this, too. They allow it to pass, and encourage its adoption by the "less scrupulous businesses", and in return for them moving to a .xxx and helping the government look better at "protecting children", the FBI and what not leans off them a little. Yes, there are filters in place for porn, but they aren't always the best- it can be hard to teach a basic filter the difference between HOT NAKED BOOBIES and a page about breast cancer. Along with blocking out content that shouldn't be, it means that content that shouldn't get through does. A .xxx domain would ensure that the filter knows what to and not to pick out. (Hell, some crappy ones might now mark this page as pornographic since I mentioned "boobies".)

    I can understand the fear of governments forcing porn sites to move to .xxx, and thus bringing us into the realm of "what exactly defines porn", but if it can stay as optional as choosing a .com or .net domain, then I don't see a large downfall. I'm sure others will disagree with me, though, and reply as such. (I welcome this, as someone may talk about a point I haven't thought of.)

    1. Re:Helpful in the long run by pestilence669 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Web pages about breast cancer are next on the list to be censored. Remember, the U.S.A. believes that all breasts, regardless of context, are sinful & dirty. Even breast feeding an infant will get people wound up.

      The breasts are for feeding children. Somehow, everyone has forgotten that they are just food dispensers. The anti-porn movement has begun to influence common sensibilities. "Moral values" groups would rather have mothers feed their child formula (much less healthy), than risk exposing a nipple in public. This has got to stop.

      Porn will eventually broaden to include anything "unpopular," the future definition of obscenity. When people begin to cover naked statues, it's gone too far. When they become hysterical over a breast, it's gone too far. Anyone who believes online porn is the biggest world problem worth tackling, should be shot for their irrational beliefs. If you hate your body, kill yourself.

  18. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you mean PORN, why not say PORN? What is this p0rn shit?

  19. Per the proposal they are _required_ to move by JPriest · · Score: 5, Informative
    From here. It says that the domains would be required to move.


    Here is the direct quote:
    "Any commercial Internet site or online service that "has as its principal or primary business the making available of material that is harmful to minors" would be required to move its site to that domain. Failure to comply with those requirements would result in civil penalties as determined by the Commerce Department."

    Please do not blindly support the bill without first understanding just what exactly it proposes.
    I had another post covering why I think this is bad here and proposed an alternate solution here

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    1. Re:Per the proposal they are _required_ to move by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Hmm, I doubt the rest of the world would appreciate the ISA Department of Commerce dictating to them what is, and is not, porn. Especially considering how puritanical the USA is compared with Europe, and similarly how puritanical the Middle East is compared with everyone else.

      The Europeans will be saying breasts, even full-frontal nakedness, isn't necessarily porn,

      The Americans can't tell the difference between even partial nakedness and sex, so will force half of .eu to be under .xxx instead

      The Muslims will continue to he shocked at all the women not wearing Burkhas.

    2. Re:Per the proposal they are _required_ to move by l33t_f33t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not entirely sure, but I'm guessing the .xxx domain will only be forced on sites using a US registra, as last time I checked the US had no jursdiction outside of itself.

    3. Re:Per the proposal they are _required_ to move by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 3, Informative

      The US could exert control by threatening to remove TLD's from the root name servers. This would be (I think) unprecedented, and make the USA rather unpopular, but in theory they do have the power.

  20. Damn the puritans by pestilence669 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea that the Internet should be made "safe" is offensive to me on so many levels. If parents would do their job and not let their kids roam the Internet unsupervised, this entire argument would disappear. I, for one, want the puritans the hell away from technology legislation. What about you?

    The Internet is not a playground for children. It's not a fun Christian diversion. It's a network for anyone and everyone to connect to one another electronically. Let's not turn it into Disneyland or Utah. The last thing society needs is FCC-like regulations on everything they do online. Besides, the responsibility in raising children shouldn't fall into the hands of people than don't have any. Parents need to police this issue, not parents AND single individuals.

    The "save the children" argument is just a cheap way to achieve the anti-porn agenda. Don't be fooled. It has nothing to do with kids. Trust me, they'll have pre-marital sex and get each other pregnant without online porn. It's been happening for 1,000's of years and will happen for a thousand more. Humans will do what they're biologically designed to do. Legislation can't stop that.

    It CAN, however, open the door for more censorship-inspired legislation. How long until the FCC steps in and begins to fine people that use profanity online? I don't think I'm exaggerating my fears. It's already ridiculous that you can't say "Shit" on the radio. After all, how many kids listen to Larry King Live?

    Censorship of any kind is fascism. It doesn't matter what cause it's attached to. Today it's porn. Tomorrow it's anti-Americanism. Just because you may not agree with porn, doesn't mean that laws should be passed to control it. Look away. Install commercially available filtering products. Don't let your kids surf unsupervised. For that matter, don't leave your kids unsupervised near ANYTHING you don't want them around. Just don't ask big brother to watch over you. That fucks us all.

  21. Re:Why not? by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Informative

    What if it's strictly voluntary? If you have an adult site, you can have it under .xxx or not as you see fit. Then, those who don't want to be exposed to adult content can avoid it if that's what makes them happy and those who are interested in it can find it easier. So what if some countries block it at the routers? Isn't the Internet designed to work around damage?

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  22. Quite Useful by Flwyd · · Score: 2, Funny

    With a .xxx TLD I'd finally be able to distinguish between fullofspunk.net as a motivational business website and fullofspunk.xxx as a site featuring pictures and videos of semen.

    It will also allow us to distinguish between sites run by Landover Baptist Church, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton.

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  23. Categories? by abes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At first glance, the .xxx idea seems fine to me. Right now the .com domain space is cluttered with random domain names that will bring up porn. It's not so much the children, as just the sanity of it all. The probability that you can type in a random URL and likely pull up porn says that the usefulness of the domain name is diminishing.

    The domain name is supposed to be some type of mapping between a company's name, general interest, etc. to a specific web page. This was great when the web was small, but even without all the porn, it still mostly fails. Thus the search engine.

    So URLs are relegated to (sometimes) brand name, (sometimes) company names, bookmarks, and printed ads. That is, all other times, it doesn't really matter what the domain name is.

    The .xxx TLD ends up being a small subset of a larger problem, and doesn't even fix the subset problem. As many people have suggested, it's not going to force porn companies from using .com. It may act as a magnet for children, though I'll suspect most browsers will block .xxx by default (think of the children!). Making the entire venture, a method to get lots of money for some TLD company.

    Perhaps a better approach would be to actually put some structure on naming. A hierarchical is already somewhat in use per domain, but is not problem free. Also, name.adult.com is essentially the same as name.xxx.

    Tagging is an already wide-used technique employed on the net, why not use it for names too? The tags can be done in an inclusive manner, such that an organization can allow acceptance of a particular web page to that tag. For example, 'child' could be applied to make sure there is no objectionable material. But wait, by whose standard? Well, there could be several 'child' tag organizations. For parents, they can pick the one which agrees with their standards.

    Am I in favor of censorship? Definitely not. But I'm also going to have to live with the fact that some people are going to disagree with my sensibilities. Why not give them their own playground, and get them out of mine?

  24. Use xxx instead of www by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If it is such a good idea, then why don't webmasters use xxx instead of www in their URLs? It would allow for all the filtering that a top-level domain name would. Just label a site something like "xxx.pr0n.com" instead of "www.pr0n.com". Simple.

    Or is it simply about the registrars making more money off of a new TLD?

  25. Re:Why not? by Matilda+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Access is everything to the porn industry.

    You're not going to sell porn to people who aren't looking for it. And a TLD makes it easier to find, how is it a bad idea again?
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  26. Re:Domain Names I Don't Want to See by cashman73 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd rather not see hillaryclinton.xxx, either!

  27. Re:Why not? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why not just give the pr0n industry its own tld

    RTFA. Or were you just gunning to get first post?

    No one wants .xxx except the registrars, who would sell .xxx domains, speculators would would buy them to resell to companies defensively. Big companies would be forced to buy the .xxx rather than let one of the scumbags set up a site on yahoo.xxx, etc. Companies already buy .info, .biz, .net, .org and usually just park or redirect from them. There won't be any less porn on .com. It's just a complete scam.

  28. Re:Domain Names I Don't Want to See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least one good thing could come out of this:

    goatse.xxx

  29. Re:Why not? by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Funny
    And a TLD makes it easier to find, how is it a bad idea again?

    What does a TLD have to do with finding porn, or anything else? Are you gong to make a list of words, append .xxx, and type them into your address bar: aardvark.xxx,.... zygote.xxx?

  30. Re:Why not? by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the only people who want this new tld are the registers, nobody will use it. If so, what harm is done? As far as first post, I'm not a subscriber, and I'm astonished to have gotten it. At least it's something relevant, not a comment about getting first post.

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  31. Re:Why not? by iamacat · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you can't come up with a more imaginative description of people exchanging zygote's, this domain is not for you.

  32. All Top-level Domains are a Bad Idea by nathanh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This might be controversial but I think top-level domains - .com, .edu, .gov, .org, .net - are all a bad idea. It's a bad user interface. I understand the technical reasons why they exist but technology shouldn't be an excuse for a broken interface. Here are several reasons why top-levels suck.

    1. They are a limited number of categories that will never satisfy everybody. The basic ones seem obvious - .org, .com, .gov, .edu, .net - but really that's not enough. In Australia we also have .asn.au and .id.au. Even that's not enough. The .xxx top-level is an attempt to corral all pornographic domains into a single top-level domain. Why stop there? Who not create .religion and .news as well? I'll tell you why not; it's a slippery slope and it'll never end. Top-level domains are attempting to use taxonomy to attach metadata to the URL and it's doomed to failure because there will never be sufficient variety.

    2. It leads to cross-domain squatting. The classic example was whitehouse.com - a porn site - which caught unwary travellers who were looking for whitehouse.gov. The converse example is a company like Ebay who needs .ebay.com but what about .ebay.org? It isn't registered and Ebay is never going to be given .ebay.org, so it's stupid for the DNS to permit it as an option.

    3. The geographical breakdown is equally useless. Lots of Australia companies register .com domains because it's "cooler" which means the geographical taxonomy is immediately broken. It also means an international company has to register several dozen (160+) second-level domains (.com, .co.uk, .com.au, .co.jp, .com.ca, etc). It would make much more sense to browse http://ebay/au/ because then Ebay has an international presence. Apple has the right idea here because that's exactly what they do; all their geographical top-levels redirect to http://apple.com/xy/.

    4. The user shouldn't need to care. Why should a newbie to the Internet be required to type .com after the name for companies, .edu after the name for universities, etc? How would they even know? Especially given point #2 that typically there isn't going to be any variation; only one of the combinations will be valid. In fact, most browsers automatically append .com because they know the user is going to type "ebay" rather than "ebay.com". But that's fricking useless for everybody who isn't in the USA (ie, most of us).

    5. Some companies straddle the line and don't fit neatly into either category. An example in Australia is Telstra - are they .com.au or .net.au? Are they .net.au when they provide network services but .com.au when they provide non-network services? In fact the distinction is as clear as mud: Telstra has both .net.au and .com.au and they mush them together as they feel like. It makes a mess of the browser security because you can be on telstra.com.au one minute and the next link will take you to telstra.net.au. User. Interface. Disaster.

    Now you can disagree with some or all of those points. Hell, Slashdot seems to be full of nitpickers who delight in pointing out grammatical mistakes, so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody said "but without TLD our CEO will be OMG WTF, LOL". But ignore the technical details - they're just problems to solve - and look at the big picture: top-level domains are a broken user interface and no amount of patching will fix it. It was OK as the prototype but because it's the prototyp

  33. Nope by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem isn't filtering content. The problem is that domain names are a terrible way to do it (see RFC 3675), and there are better ways of doing it (see PICS).

    As for a voluntary .xxx, the public and legislators will misunderstand its limitations. It's practically begging for bad law. It's better not to set it up in the first place.

  34. Simple reason by aepervius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest advantage for the porn industry is that afterward everybody typing in the address of the link or clickijng a link ending with .xxx KNOWS what he/she wants and thus can be blamed itself for what he tried to see. Whereas with the situation now, the porn industry TAKES the blame if anybody (adult or infant does not matter) accidentaly type in/click a .COM address which does show porn image. By having .xxx everyone wins : all parents or sensible person which can simply then block all .xxx domain, the porn industry because then nobody can anymore talk about being "accidentally" there. The ONLY loss for the porn industry is that then every consenting adult lose any excuse to have browsed on porn domain by accident since with .xxx it willl be obvious that you are on a porn page. ? "ho honey, no I just wanted to learn more about how to solve multiple-body physics interraction and I accidentally clicked onn that porn link" won't hold water if all link end with .xxx

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    1. Re:Simple reason by gsslay · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The ONLY loss for the porn industry is that then every consenting adult lose any excuse to have browsed on porn domain by accident since with .xxx it willl be obvious that you are on a porn page. ?

      So you already know the exact domain of every link on every page you look at, and you know the address of every linked image, and you always check the domain of every link before you click on it, and you've never been redirected or had a popup?

      You must be unique.

    2. Re:Simple reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Okay, I'm dropping my screen name for this one.

      "The ONLY loss for the porn industry is that then every consenting adult lose any excuse to have browsed on porn domain by accident since with .xxx"

      As someone who works in the hosting business for a predominantly adult entertainment customer base, I can tell you first hand that "ONLY" does not apply here. When the bulk of U.S. traffic on our bell curves hits around 3PM every single day, one thing becomes clear: the adult industry counts on sneaky employees surfing porn from their desk at work.

      By and large, the adult industry shuns the .xxx domain because it makes it too easy for employers to block the entire TLD on the office LAN. Further, searching Google or some other site with "Safe Search" on prevents the "accidental" discovery of adult content when seraching for seemingly innocuous terms. Having the adult sites all under .xxx means that Google will not turn up adult content sites by accident, and thus the adult sites get less traffic, and thus less sales.

      There was an additional comment further up the thread here indicating that there are already sufficient standards for flagging adult content sites and that .xxx is not needed for this purpose; that is a false statement. There is in fact NO "standard" for markup of adult content sites. Adult site owners struggle constantly to remain compliant with U.S.C. 2257 regulations which went into effect in the Summer of 2005. They actively seek out every form of markup available such as ICRA, pics_label header for IE browsers and whatever they can find. But there's nobody in charge (remember nobody owns the internet, right?) and thus there is no "standard" of compliance.

      The goals of regulation a two-fold and, in my opinion, just:

      1) Shield people from the content who should not be exposed to it (i.e. kids, purists)
      2) Ensure that minors are not being exploited sexually (child porn)

      The 2257 regulations for the U.S. addresses point two, but as yet no regulation addresses point one. .xxx would fix this and enforcement is simpler than you think: registrars pull registration for non .xxx domains displaying adult content. Will it piss off the adult entertainment sector? Yes. They could lose enough money to such a regulation that would put my employer and possibly my job into a tail spin.

      But profits be damned - this is about doing the right thing, not making the adult entertainment companies fat and happy. The tobacco industry was not destroyed by the Surgeon General's warning; sex has been around a lot longer than tobacco, and I am confident that a .xxx warning will similarly not destroy that industry. What it all boils down to is, as a parent of a pre-teen, I don't want my kid looking at the nasties that Google brings up when searching for school materials.

    3. Re:Simple reason by IL-CSIXTY4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Besides, who else but a pornographer is going to use a domain such as that, regardless of what the TLD is?
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  35. Bad argument by aepervius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Creating a red light district would arguably make porn easier to find for children

    Explain me with the advent of search engine, how is it difficult for any kids to :
    * type in www.google.com
    * enter free porn image (or free porn video)
    * clicks on "I am 18 and want to see the preview video"


    I am sorry, but that argument do not hold any shred of water. Unless you are speaking of mentally disabled children, if they want to search for porn, they will find it whether it is a .xxx,.net,.org, .com or .fucktit domain name. NOTHING which can be found a few click away today cannot be found by anybody older than 8.

    Now for the rest of your argument, I agree you can't force the rest of the world onto it. You could try to force sales of subscription in the US for porn to only comes from .xxx web site but that would not hold water I guess if people pay directly to oversea account, a bit like the gambling casino stuff.

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  36. Reserve either a class A net, or a port for porn. by chris_sawtell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That would fix the filtering problem simply and for ever. Also the people should be informed that the numbers are just as good as, if not better than, names. Thus all the interesting numbers would get some intellectual value. Why have the General Electric Company not exploited the IP address 3.4.5.6 for example? Surely that's worth a bob or two? Wake up shareholders of the corporations which hold class A domain numbers, you can sue your corporate directors for not maximising the return on your funds! Taken to the obvious conclusion, a Class A IP number squatter should have all 16 million numbers taken off them and these numbers reserved for porn servers. How about the unused 51/8 network for a start? That would free up 4,294,967,296 numbers which could be especially reserved for porn servers. On the other hand the current user of those numbers could exploit them to provide a substantial income to the British DHSS, who are the current number squatters. Rent your porn server IP number by paying the pension of a poor Briton! Bags 51.52.53.54! The very ages when a flagging body actually needs perking up with a bit of visual stimulation. The mind boggles as to the value of that number. Surely that would keep the even most debauched users of porn happy for a while? As for a .xxx TLD! Well really!! That is just fraud pure and simple. To separate suposedly undesirable content from the rest of the HTTP traffic you just pass a worldwide law to put the all the porn servers on a port other than 80. It's a one digit change in the Apache web server config file. And creating a browser which won't work on that port so as to protect the children's parents from the embarrasment of having to explain to their little ones what the genital organs are for.

  37. Re:The proposal does require .coms to move by prandal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Aham. Planet Earth is not just the USA. There will be plenty of offshore .com porn sites to fill any void created.

    And I'm kind of looking forward to slashdot.xxx - "Nudes for Nerds"

  38. Re:Why not? by Kierthos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How does it make it easier to find? Well, I daresay, if you went to whitehouse.xxx you would know in advance that it's going to be naughty bits.

    There are plenty of porn sites that are at the .com TLD that share a similar or same name as a non-porn .org TLD. So, yeah, it's possible to go to the naughty sites and not intend to. Which, of course, can lead to all kinds of trouble at home, work, wherever.

    Yet, if a .xxx TLD exists... well, it's difficult to imagine, at least in the U.S., that someone would go to a .xxx site looking for facts on the President. (see the whitehouse.xxx example above). Basically, people would no longer have the excuse that they went to the wrong page by accident. Of course, this will mean that some people will get in trouble because they can't bullshit their way out of the fact that they were looking at llama porn, but hey... not everyone gets to be a winner.

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  39. If I Had a Hammer... by NetSettler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If a idea is bad, it should go away.

    That's perhaps a nice wish. However, assuming it will go away is another thing.

    Government is not simply a world marketplace that offers ideas and if no one buys, it restocks the shelves with other ideas. We give government the special power of force that we do not give shopkeepers wherein if people disagree with the ideas it is offering, it can take action. The more vague that action, the more subject to the individual whim of an individual attempting to enforce or, just as likely, to exploit such powers.

    To pick an obvious and somewhat overused example, the bad ideas of the Nazi movement were indeed rejected by the people, but it's a stretch to say "therefore one should not worry about governments getting an occasional wrong idea because these things tend to work out". It took time to notice the problem in that case, and very bad things happened in the interim. By the time a problem was noticed, it took was not easy to fix. One cannot simply fast forward to the outcome without seeing the time in between and say "it was a bad idea and eventually no one bought it".

    McCarthyism in the US played out with somewhat similar shape, although fortunately far less cost in human lives. But by similar shape, I mean that it was a kind of insidious idea from the start, and it crept like a cancer with people not seeing what a bad idea it was until it was widespread and it started to impact so many people that it simply could not be ignored.

    The notion that the government should be able to push things "harmful to minors" into this ghetto is like giving a big gun to anyone who has government authority to act but not telling them who to aim it at. Harmful to minors is not a statement like "boils at 100 degrees" that can be objectively tested. What protections does it offer to people who have no intent to harm minors and are simply operating in an area that raises questions.

    Some things that have been classified by at least some people as harmful to minors within our lifetime include sex education, Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth , and the teaching of evolution. Will we expect to find the teaching of safe sex practices only in the .xxx domain? What about climatechange.xxx or darwin.xxx? And that's only in the US, the supposed model of freedom. How will such a domain be construed in countries around the world that have more conservative points of view. Will we see tjmaxx.xxx? barnesandnoble.xxx? mit.edu.xxx?

    The problem with "parental" government is that people often naively assume that it it has a brain at all, and also that the brain will be applied uniformly. In fact, what is more likely is the kind of thing you see on cop shows all the time where cops come to a restaurant owner who won't give them the info they want and they say "I'm sure you wouldn't want the health inspector in here all over you." So the guy caves and gives up the information. The public isn't served by the health code law because in the end, the law is more useful (to those TV cops, at least) or some undisclosed purpose than it is for actually making sure things get cooked right.

    And the problem is that the undisclosed purpose is flexible and varying. The whole war on terror is going the same way. If the government can make "being a person" (or at least, all of its aspects) sufficiently illegal, then there's always at least some club handy for threatening to arrest a person if he gets out of hand, whatever the enforcer thinks is out of hand. And at that point, there's no freedom left. That's an analogy that Slashdotters should understand: It's like software patents. Overly broad. Overly vague. Applied inconsistently. Difficult to defend. And offering no really safe avenue of behavior. And that means no one can safely develop anything. They can just hope they aren't singled out for enforcement.

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  40. Re:Why not? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There are plenty of porn sites that are at the .com TLD that share a similar or same name as a non-porn .org TLD. So, yeah, it's possible to go to the naughty sites and not intend to.

    You're now arguing a completely different proposition. It's one thing to create a domain .xxx and say it's for porn. Whatever else it does, you'll certainly get porn sites there. It's quite another to imagine that this will magically lead to all porn disappearing from .com. So you'll be no more safe from "stumbling" on porn. And as your example shows, many people would still prefer to use the .com just for a shred of deniability when their boss/wife looks through their history.

  41. Right, and .net is free? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The implications already are that .com is commerce, .org is nonprofits, .gov is government, and .net is for networks (for instance, ISPs).

    As far as I know, only .gov is actually enforced.

    So, basically, registering a .XXX domain is like having one of those "You must be 18 to enter" things. It's a way of self-censorship, of saying "I know this is pornography, and not safe for children."

    There have been technical arguments against .XXX, but I think having your filtering software be a line in a host file is really, really nice.

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  42. So skip the regulations. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's insanely easy to block a whole TLD, but no one's forcing you to block it, and no one's forcing pornographers to use it. Hell, plenty of them already have "You must be 18 or over" links, and even banner ads for things like NetNanny.

    And you aren't exaggerating your fears, really, but you are having a knee-jerk reaction to one immediate assumption. It's true, this article makes that assumption, but you can still stop frothing at the mouth and try to look at this sanely. You are not required to be a corporation, or participate in any kind of commerce (other than your registration fees) to own a .com name. You are not required to have any kind of network, or be related to any kind of network, to own a .net name. You are not required to be a nonprofit, officially or unofficially, to own a .org name.

    The only one I know of that's actually enforced is .gov, but the only thing similar that could happen here is the .XXX registrar(s) refusing to accept registrations from anyone who won't use it for porn.

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  43. Re:Why not? by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has anyone actually investigated whether the XXX industry actually WANTS the tld?

    First, TLDs are a good idea that simply do not work in reality. Proof of this is that slashdot.com and slashdot.org are exactly the same even though they have different TLDs. OK, that was a bad example, because a counter to that would be a few years ago with whitehouse.com vs whitehouse.gov.

    The deal with the XXX domain is that it will be yet another gold rush for the "good ones" if it comes into existence, but then nothing will change. Porn will be typosquatted and littered all over the .com and other domains like it is now.

    My point is that TLDs are ineffective in reality (but great in theory), and the XXX TLD would be great to help save the children (in theory), but the poor kids will see people fucking and sucking even if there is a XXX domain. /rant

  44. Re:Why not? by Headcase88 · · Score: 2, Funny

    8,650
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  45. Re:Why not? by Ralph+Yarro · · Score: 5, Funny

    What does a TLD have to do with finding porn, or anything else? Are you gong to make a list of words, append .xxx, and type them into your address bar: aardvark.xxx,.... zygote.xxx?
    Greetings, I have come back in time from the year 2007 with exciting news. In my time we no longer have to type in random words to find domains under a particular tld, instead we have a powerful and strange technology called "Google".

    For example, to get a list of .org domains we can just enter the following into our web browser:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?as_sitesearch=.org

    to get a list of .museum domains:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?as_sitesearch=.muse um

    To get a list of .xxx domains this would be:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?as_sitesearch=.xxx

    "But", you say, "of what use is a mssive list of all domains? You could never click them all!" The truth is that we can go EVEN FURTHER and search for key words within sites in those domains, but I fear the culture shock from showing you this would be too much for you to bear.

    This may all sound like science fiction in your primitive era but one day this technology will seem almost common place.
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  46. Re:Why not? --- Precedent by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think having a .XXX sets a bad precedent for segregating "speech." It doesn't take a great leap for legislation to be enacted in country Y that requires all porn to be located in .XXX. Consider the current events involving net gambling in the United States and how net gambling has been impacted. Imagine legislation that prohibits a porn business from operating in any other TLD.

    I fear that once we start going down that path, then other forms of partitioning will become more palatable. One can construct an argument that political speech should be in a seperate TLD so that domain registrants can register as potential lobbyists. To make it more attractive you make the domain registration free for "non-lobbyists" (however that gets defined) and a sliding fee scale for "lobbyists."

    I think the whole expansion of the DNS TLD's was a bad idea.

  47. .XXX is better than .COM by thedbp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sure the original architects, users, and maintainers of the WWW in the government and educational realms felt the exact same way about the .COM moniker being created in order to open the floodgate of commercialism into their tiny, intellectual ecosystem. And they were right for thinking so. They probably had more reason to be upset about THAT change than ANYONE has to be upset about THIS change.

    Adding .XXX on top of .COM is like going to a guy with 90% burns all over his body and holding his hand over a lighter. Yeah, sure you may do a LITTLE damage, but in comparison to what's already been done its meaningless.

    The 'net was raped when corporations were allowed to turn it into a vast wasteland of advertising, marketing, and surveillance.

    Adding a designated porn area is just the natural progression of things.

  48. Who would decide. by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every time this comes up, and people go "This isn't such a bad idea...", they dont stop to think, who decides what is porn?!? We cant even legally define it, "I know it when i see it." is not a valid system for this kind of thing. Other posters have touched on this. A whitelisted .kid TLD is a much better idea.

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