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$25M Bounty Offered for Global Warming Fix

SaDan writes "Richard Branson is offering $25M as a bounty for a fix to global warming. The person or organization that can devise a method to remove at least a billion tons of carbon dioxide a year from the atmosphere will be able to claim the bounty. There are a few catches, of course. There can't be any negative impact on the environment, and the payment will come in chunks. A 5 million dollar payout will be paid when the system is put into place with the remainder of the bounty to be paid after 10 years of continuous use."

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  1. Plant Respiration by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How much carbon dioxide does a single tree consume in a year of respiration and how many trees could be planted for $25 million?

    Either that or find a way to build large scale air scrubbers that simulate plant respiration (stripping the carbon atom off a CO2 molecule and releasing O2), then compress the pure carbon into bricks for use in industry. If it could be done cheaply enough it might not just be eco-friendly, but profitable as well, with the $25 million payment as a bonus.

    - Greg

    1. Re:Plant Respiration by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trees alone won't solve the problem for the same reason they aren't solving the problem now: people keep cutting them down.

      We cannot possible reserve all of the arable land necessary to plant enough trees to scrub the carbon dioxide we are throwing into the atmosphere, because we need that land for other purposes. As the human population continues to grow, the need for developed land increases. This trend is not likely to reverse itself.

      A carbon scrubbing solution that would actually be workable would have to take up much less space than trees would to produce the same result.

    2. Re:Plant Respiration by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      I once knew a chick who was so tightly wound she would probably excrete diamonds if you fed her carbon. Perhaps we could get a group of that type of people together and solve the problem that way.

    3. Re:Plant Respiration by Randolpho · · Score: 5, Funny

      That might solve the "I want diamonds" problem, but there are two fatal flaws:

      1) Eating carbon won't reduce carbon dioxide

      2) The folks at DeBeers will come for you in the dead of night.

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    4. Re:Plant Respiration by menkhaura · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, once you burn the grass for... eh... medicinal purposes, the carbon will be re-released into the atmosphere

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    5. Re:Plant Respiration by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Algae goes wild when you dump fertilizers in a stream, and can utterly choke off all life in a river or lake. I'd be very very wary about any plans to grow it "en masse" in the ocean, seems like the type of thing that'd easily get away from you.

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    6. Re:Plant Respiration by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      C'mon, $25 million is nothing compared to something like global warming. If global warming could really be solved for $25 million someone would have done it by now. Al Gore spent more than $25 million on his presidential campaign. You think maybe he would have gotten more publicity if he instead chose to spend the money solving global warming? The petroleum industry probably spends way more than $25 million a year lobbying against Kyoto. Surely if they could make Kyoto moot by solving the problem of global warming they'd do that instead. There are probably single beachfront homes that are worth $25 million. If the problem could be solved that cheaply, surely one of those homeowners would have made it happen. There are hundreds of billionaires in the United States. $25 million would be a drop in the bucket to solve one of the biggest problems of our lifetime.

      $25 million, to solve global warming, is a joke.

    7. Re:Plant Respiration by QuickFox · · Score: 4, Funny

      I once knew a chick This is Slashdot you insensitive clod!
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    8. Re:Plant Respiration by QuickFox · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mass genocide of all developing countries humans then use that now vacant land to plant the trees. Your idea has merit, but it would be far, far more efficient to kill the rich, as we spew out orders of magnitude more pollution per capita than the poor.
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    9. Re:Plant Respiration by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Warning: back-of-envelope calculations follow. The bond energy of the two carbon-oxygen double bonds in carbon dioxide is about 374 kilocalories per mole of carbon dioxide. At 44 grams CO2 to a mole, a billion tons of carbon dioxide (using 1000kg=ton) is on the order of 2x10^13 moles. This would require 3x10^13 megajoules of energy, which to provide in one year (31556926 seconds) would demand 950 gigawatts of power, which will undoubtedly require more than 25 million dollars to generate. This assumes perfect efficiency in the process, of course, and does not factor in any carbon dioxide released in the generation of that much power.

      The reason this process works so well in plants is that frankly, that's not how it works in plants at all. While photosynthesis involves the net breakdown of carbon dioxide and water to form oxygen and glucose, it's a complex set of separate, but connected reactions, rather than just using sunlight to blast oxygen atoms off carbon dioxide. For instance, the oxygen produced doesn't come from carbon dioxide- it comes from water split by sunlight, with the help of an enzyme. The carbon dioxide that enters plants is never actually split apart- it's simply fixed into an organic molecule, and used to generate a glucose precursor. Breaking down carbon dioxide to its component elements is simply too energy intensive.

      I suppose that's an idea though- if there were a catalyst that could fix carbon dioxide into an organic molecule, and do so at reasonable conditions of temperature and pressure, it might provide a useful way of recycling carbon. For example, if you could react carbon dioxide with methane to produce acetic acid, you could pull two greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere and use them to make an industrial product (and one which could be conceivably then be used as a feedstock for plastics and fuels). Currently, this process uses carbon monoxide and methanol (made from steam reforming of methane, actually), in the presence of a metal catalyst- it seems like it could be done with CO2 and methane instead. Even if the economics might not be as favorable, the benefit in sequestering greenhouse gases might be worth it.

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    10. Re:Plant Respiration by skelly33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you think $10M was enough to put Scaled Composites' Spaceship One into LEO? It's a token offering to inspire the imagination. Don't knock a generous and genuine offer just because you have not been inspired.

    11. Re:Plant Respiration by grcumb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mass genocide of all developing countries humans then use that now vacant land to plant the trees. Your idea has merit, but it would be far, far more efficient to kill the rich, as we spew out orders of magnitude more pollution per capita than the poor.

      Don't think we haven't thought of this....

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      The Developing World

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  2. Good News, Everyone! by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    All we need to do is drop a large ice cube in the ocean every now and then. Thereby solving the problem.

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  3. only a billion tons/year? by dotmax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why, that's just ~32 tons of CO2 per second. Piece of cake.

  4. Thats simple, Plant marijuana by Anon-Admin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is in the top 10 for CO2 fixation! It has over 25,000 uses of which smoking it is just 1!

    We can make cloths, shoes, rope, cardboard, paper, and other goods from the fibers.
    We can make bread, cooking oil, ethanol, bio diesel, and bird food from the seeds.
    We can smoke the buds to relax.

    Problem solved! We just plant it everywhere! Along the roads, in the unused fields, around the government buildings, just everywhere. No more global warming!

    Interesting how the CO2 levels started to rise just after the government banned growing it!

    We can also reduce the "War on Drugs" budget and redirect it to research on global warming. There is an instant $6,000,000,000 per year to find alternate energy sources. :)

    Problem solved, now take that $25,000,000 prize and give it to the Marc Emery defiance fund.

  5. Re:Mother Nature by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After all, I'm sure that a human can take care of the earth better than Mother Nature can.

    Mother nature's solution to global warming operates on a geologic timescale and will not help us. In fact since if we leave the situation unchecked things will get worse before they get better, the earth will probably demonstrate its lack of use for us in the meantime.

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  6. I'm sure we could by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But it would require energy. The whole reason hydrocarbons are a good source of energy is precisely because the C + O2 -> CO2 reaction gives off energy. So to make it go the other way, you need input energy. Plants get it from the sun, where would we get it from. Then, of course, assuming you have a source the question is why not just cut the middle man and use that source directly?

    1. Re:I'm sure we could by yog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Put a couple thousand square miles of solar cells out in the desert, and for every megawatt they generate, reduce coal/gas/oil energy production by that much.

      Install wind generators up and down the coast, and similarly replace coal.

      Use some of this energy to create hydrogen from coal, and use that to power automotive fuel cells.

      Mandate (and pay for) bicycle lanes on every thoroughfare in every city. Offer health insurance discounts to people who bike to work most of the time. Make biking a safe, cheap, and convenient way to travel and people will use it.

      Implement modern, safer nuclear technology. Rocket the waste into the Sun, or maybe dump it on the Moon or a passing asteroid.

      Create solar powered ozone production plants with 5-mile-high smokestacks to replenish the earth's O3 layer.

      How do we pay for all this? Halt the war in Iraq, and use the hundreds of billions we save from that. Also, exploit space; send robot mining ships to obtain 10000-ton platinum and gold asteroids and the like; one or two of these will pay for everything.

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    2. Re:I'm sure we could by jo42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Beg to differ.

      It is NOT a political problem. It is a Greed problem.

      Tell Exxon Mobil it can't make over $35 billion a year in profit.

      Humanity is screwing up the plant. To avoid messing it up to the point where we can't exist on it anymore will require that we fundamentally change the way we live and work. Good luck in making that happen.

    3. Re:I'm sure we could by trentblase · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you plated the entire US with solar panels, using the most efficient panels we currently know how to make, and you assume that there is no cloud cover or other weather obscuring the sun at any point during the year... you still wouldn't have a significant fraction of the power used by the entire US.

      Unless you have some calculations to back that up, I call BS. According to http://rredc.nrel.gov/tidbits.html, "Every day, more energy falls on the U.S. than we use in an entire year." Since solar panels are more than 3% efficient (quick googling tells us the most advanced ones are over 35%), you fail it. Saying this is not possible is simply foolish, and it undermines your larger argument of whether it is advisable.

  7. Pah! Trivial! by zmollusc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Simply declare co2 to be the worlds currency and pretty soon it will all be safely locked away in swiss vaults.

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  8. Solve global Warming and more by FinchWorld · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eat the homeless, now we have enough housing. Eat criminals, no more over full jails, possible drop in crime rates. Eat everyone who live in a house with an odd number, halfing amount of cars on the road. And with all that eating we solve third world hunger too.

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    1. Re:Solve global Warming and more by jimicus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't know if you realise this, but a very similar solution to a very different problem was proposed a few centuries ago:

      http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

      (Read it through. It's worth it)

  9. How about just running out of oil? by viking80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Running out of oil will do this quite effectively, and that will happen within not too many years.

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  10. Re:Irony of it all by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 5, Insightful
    True, but he launched Virgin Fuels to research alternative fuels:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2862 259

    FTA:

    Branson, whose business interests include Virgin Atlantic airline and Virgin Trains, rejected charges that it was hypocritical for him to sponsor the prize. He reiterated a commitment made in September to invest $3 billion toward fighting global warming, saying he would commit all profits from his travel companies over the next 10 years.

    As part of that pledge, he launched a new Virgin Fuels business, which is to invest up to $400 million in green energy projects over the next three years.
  11. Re:Ok but that brings me back to the 2nd question by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hydro never lived up to the hype. Dams silt up, dams ruin rivers, and, aside from a few really good spots, dams don't generate enough power.

    If we went to fission with waste reprocessing, we could be in good shape...It'll provide more power and vastly reduce the amount of waste produced. We could even reprocess the waste we have now. The paranoia over radiation is so overblown, and has been hyped for so long that people just sort of accept that all nuclear power is going to lead to three eyed fish and crap like that.

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  12. Re:Yawn, Eco-Nazi talking about spending money... by puppetman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    4) Eat the environmentalists; less SUV use, less air travel, less hot air, less sewage. Yuck!

    By SUV, I assume you are implying that they get poor gas mileage, and therefore produce more greenhouse gases. Not all do, of course. That said, someone who drives a Yukon is a hypocrite if they claim to be an environmentalist.

    6) End Socialism. Economic prosperity will allow people to adjust to the changing climate better. More socialism is more death and misery.

    The US, one of the least socialist countries in the world (I saw a picture of a cardboard shanty town in Florida earlier this week that definitely made me think of death and misery) produces a huge amount of greenhouse gas (per person).

    Developing communist countries do as well, but compare the CO2 production per person from the US to China shows that capitalism generates more (using your logic). Canada is more socialist than the US, and Canadians generate more greenhouse gas than Americans do. Is it because of socialism? No, it's because it's colder and not as densely populated.

    The western industrial democracies are quite capitalist, and we generate per-person more greenhouse gases than many of the poorer, "socialist" countries. Making more like us will make solve the problem? If we are relatively so much wealthier, then why aren't we willing to clean up our act, seeing as you claim the willingness to fix the problem seems to be related to wealth?

    7) "repeal" Kyoto protocols. They don't work, they are counter productive, they will cause more global warming.

    The US did not sign Kyoto. George Bush did not believe in global warming, so he reneged on the agreement made by Clinton to sign the protocol.

    Eco-Nazi talking about spending money

    It's his money. You are a big fan of capitalism, and he's a capitalist (that's how he made his money). Who are you to criticize how he spends it? That sounds very socialist to me.

  13. Re:Ok but that brings me back to the 2nd question by Broken+scope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know... if there was a large industry for getting rid of nuclear waste... someone would find a way to do it quickly, safely, and cheaply just so they can be a rich bastard off of it.

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  14. Ridiculous PR Stunt by mpapet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's been a while since I've done these calculations, but I think the present value of the so-called $25 million bounty is $6.2 million with the payment schedule given. That's what $25 million with the payments laid out as proposed is worth today at 4% return.

    We don't pay anyone already producing lots of oxygen with their undeveloped lands, why would anyone buy the earth-saving properties of the as-yet unmade device?

    Not only is the bounty $6.2 million, but the innovator doesn't appear to have any kind of way to sustain the earth-saving properities of this device.

    This is an example of why we are in what most indicators suggest is a global warming scenario of our own making.

    Despite what the popular political opinion attempts to have us believe, So-called "Free-markets" do not accomodate the health and general well-being of humans or their environment.

    Discuss amongst yourselves

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  15. Re:Ok but that brings me back to the 2nd question by chris_eineke · · Score: 4, Funny

    someone would find a way to do it quickly, safely, and cheaply
    Hey, that's easy. Just dump it into the ocean. That'll give the marine biologists a couple of new monster species, too. Where is my government tax break and research grant?

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  16. Re:Ok but that brings me back to the 2nd question by Broken+scope · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... if only I could smack people through my monitor.

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