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Cancer Drug Found; Scientist Annoyed

sporkme writes "A scientist was frustrated when the compound she was working with (called PPAR-gamma) destroyed her sample of cancer cells. Further research revealed that the substance was surprisingly well suited as a cancer treatment. Lab test results on mice resulted in the destruction of colon tumors without making the mice sick." Quoting: "'I made a calculation error and used a lot more than I should have. And my cells died,' Schaefer said. A colleague overheard her complaining. 'The co-author on my paper said, "Did I hear you say you killed some cancer?" I said "Oh," and took a closer look.' ... [They found that the compound killed] 'pretty much every epithelial tumor cell lines we have seen.'" Update: 02/15 17:27 GMT by KD : As reader CorporalKlinger pointed out, PPAR-gamma is a cellular receptor, not a compound; and this news is not particularly new.

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  1. Tag Article Thusly: by Gabrill · · Score: 5, Funny

    Best Headline ever!

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    1. Re:Tag Article Thusly: by Phisbut · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I saw this quote somewhere :

      The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny ..."

      It applies quite well here.

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    2. Re:Tag Article Thusly: by kzinti · · Score: 3, Informative
  2. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cancer Drug Found; Scientist Annoyed

    Um, no. The "Scientist Annoyed" came first. Indeed, had she not been annoyed she it may not have been brought to her attention that she suceeded.

    A scientist was frustrated

    And stop saying scientist. She is a researcher. The articles calls her a researcher. I'll bet she will even call herself a researcher. And, she is relevant because she was researching.

    1. Re:Moo by jimstapleton · · Score: 4, Informative

      uhh, you know that a researcher is a scientist right? Last I checked, scientists researched things to figure out how they worked... and researchers did the same damn thing. The Ph.D. if you think that is a requirement, is not.

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    2. Re:Moo by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would consider myself a scientist, because I am interested in and conversant with science and the scientific method...In my case mainly physics, with a solid grounding in inorganic chemistry and biology.

      I am not, however, a researcher specializing in one aspect of scientific inquiry.

      It's becoming an important distinction these days because so many "scientists" who are no better qualified than I am, are none-the-less using their status as "scientist" to question the results put out by scientists with in-depth knowledge backed by significant practical experience in the study of their specialty (e.g. a researcher).

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    3. Re:Moo by Heem · · Score: 4, Funny

      at least they did not say Scientologist.

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    4. Re:Moo by mikael · · Score: 4, Informative

      The seniority system goes something like this:

      research director
      scientist
      research assistant/researcher

      The research director can approve projects for research.
      The scientist can propose projects for research - also supervise the project
      The research assistant/research carries out the work required to complete the project

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    5. Re:Moo by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not true; what about theoreticians? They'd probably be pretty offended to be left out of "scientists," although they don't do a whole lot of "research" at least in the traditional sense. (Some do, though, but with theoretical stuff you have to have a fairly loose definition of 'research,' since a whole lot of it resembles 'preparing for publication.')

      "Research scientist" is probably a better term for the woman in TFA; "scientist" alone is so vague as to be almost unusable. It's just 'someone doing science,' and could be pretty much anyone from a grad student to a Nobel laureate; it doesn't say anything about what type or kind of science they're engaged in, or what their goals are.

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    6. Re:Moo by Intron · · Score: 5, Funny

      So let's just settle it. We will call scientists who don't know what they're doing "researchers" and scientists who do know what they are doing "engineers".

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    7. Re:Moo by Zugok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Scientist is a discipline of thinking, researcher is role. I would think the correct title would be scientific researcher.

      Debate and flame.

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  3. Homeresque by commisaro · · Score: 5, Funny

    "To pull a Homer": To succeed despite idiocy

  4. Now that is a true nerd by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can tell she is a true nerd because instead of saying "holy shit I cured cancer" she said "god damn it, now I have to start over."

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    1. Re:Now that is a true nerd by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, 99% of the time that'd be true. We know of plenty things that kills cancer, because it kills cells altogether and you can probably think of a dozen off the top of your head. The discovery isn't "damn, my cancer cells died" it's "wtf, the other cells are still alive".

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  5. You have to wonder by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

    if the creator of Viagra had a similar epiphany

    1. Re:You have to wonder by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually Viagra was invented to treat angina, at which it was a spectacular failure. The better-known use of Viagra was actually a side-effect that appeared in (if I remember) 80% of test subjects. So even Viagra was a sort of accident.

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    2. Re:You have to wonder by vorpal22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even more strange, but along the same lines, is the new and coming drug, Bremelanotide. It was created with the intention of being an artificial tanning agent, at which it succeeded, but a large number of the test subjects, both male and female, reported highly increased sexual arousal during the tests.

      It's fairly far along in clinical trials and seems very promising, making it the first recognized effective pharmaceutical aphrodisiac.

    3. Re:You have to wonder by false_cause · · Score: 5, Funny

      They missed one 'gina but hit millions of others.

    4. Re:You have to wonder by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      It was created with the intention of being an artificial tanning agent, at which it succeeded, but a large number of the test subjects, both male and female, reported highly increased sexual arousal during the tests.

      It's a cruel joke when you look like an overgrown carrot and have a raging boner.

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    5. Re:You have to wonder by Atrox666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The inventor of LSD also had an epiphany like that ..then things started to melt.

  6. Alexander Fleming said it best by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Damn it! Who let the bacteria colonies get moldy? All of my staphylococcus samples died and now I have to start all over again."

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  7. A science teacher once told me by Trails · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Most important discoveries are not accompanied with a 'Eureka!', rather with a 'Hmmm, that's odd....'"

  8. Amazingly not a dupe. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How odd; I was all ready to yell "DUPE!", but this isn't yet another DCA story. So, for this one, we have that it kills human tumors in vitro, and mouse tumors in vivo. We don't know if it's safe to give to humans. (Maybe we do; I haven't pulled the research paper yet.) Ah, well. Here's a picture of the molecule if anyone wants it.

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  9. "Oh, you wanted to *cure cancer*!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I misheard you. Sure, I've been able to do that for years. Here you go."

  10. Re:I found a cancer drug, darn it by Volante3192 · · Score: 4, Informative

    She wasn't even looking for a cure for cancer, but rather a cure for an intestinal disease. She just used cancerous cells in the trials because they're quicker to grow and more resistant to experiment.

  11. PPAR-Gamma is a cellular receptor, not a compound by CorporalKlinger · · Score: 5, Informative

    It might be wise for whomever posted this to read the article more completely before publishing. PPAR-gamma is a receptor found within/on cells, NOT a separate "magic compound." This is old news, anyway - PPAR-gamma's effects with respect to cancer have been well understood for months now.

    Source:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=g ene&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Graphics&list_uids=5468

    Notice how it says "implicated in cancer"? That information has been there for quite some time. Time for people to stop posting this antiquated junk as "new news."

  12. So are a fair percentage of "last words".... by StressGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    that and "hey y'all, watch this!"

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  13. From TFA by guruevi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As the compound is already patented, her team will probably have to design something slightly different to be able to patent it as a new drug.

    FTW. I found a cure for cancer, sorry patented. And for AIDS too, sorry patented. I found a cure for all sickness and death, sorry patented.

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  14. It's from Asimov, I believe. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's an Isaac Asimov saying, as far as I know (though I haven't seen a primary source). "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discovery, is not 'Eureka' (I found it!), but 'That's funny...'"

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  15. We need a new meme by paiute · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For the love of RB Woodward's wine-guzzling ghost, I am sick of stories about compound X and how it is the next big thing and how it kills cancer cells stone dead in a Petri dish.

    Every other compound you can order from Aldrich will kill cancer cells in vitro. So will a ball peen hammer. Drano, playground sand, double-acting baking powder. Pledge will kill them and leave a lemony-fresh scent.

    When this compound gets to stage III clinical trials and does not leave a trail of bodies and does show some efficacy, then you can post the story.

    Until then, Netcraft confirms it. These cancer cells are dying.
    In the Soviet Union, cancer cells kill new drugs.
    etc

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  16. Re:I found a cancer drug, darn it by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Funny

    "how would you feel if a program was made that automatically created perfect code by letting your manager put in all his wishes"

    That would be fantastic! It would prove that mutually exclusive wishes can be programmed in. "I want it red" followed by "I don't like red" followed by "I wanted it red", followed by "I told you not red".

    Now if a program could code that, I would pay top dollar for it. Seriously.

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  17. Re:Terrible article, facts wrong by Retric · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA again "It also killed colon tumors in mice without making the mice sick, they reported in the journal International Cancer Research."

  18. Re:Typical science by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

    what, they tried using a large microwave parabolic antenna to squeeze lemonade and invented a microwave? To celebrate they mixed some alcohol with orange juice, wanted to warm it up in the microwave and discovered napalm?

    So what you are saying is that if life hands you a lemon, use napalm?

  19. Don't Be Daft by Petersko · · Score: 4, Informative

    "for all the logic and deductive reasoning they use, it ends up being pure chance and blind luck that gives us some of the best discoveries."

    Oh please. You make it sound like the researcher was walking down the street one day with a dish of cancer and somebody bumped into her with the right chemicals. Like it was the scientific equivalent of "You got chocolate in my peanut butter!"

    The decades of previous work, including her education and work experience, worked steadily towards her being a cancer researcher who was following a logical chain that brought cancer cells and compound together for the discovery. If any of it was blind luck it was perhaps a tiny little sliver at the end. Really not even that was luck. After all, even though the results were unexpected, clearly she was on the track to something. No luck required.

    I think it's insulting to her dismiss the roles that logic and deductive reasoning played in arranging these circumstances.

  20. Funding cut by plopez · · Score: 3, Funny

    Watch her grants get cut since she is reporting a result she didn't write into the grant application.

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  21. I had a similar problem. by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Funny

    I tried making a perpetual motion machine, but it just kept getting faster and faster. I mean what use is a device that creates free energy? And it's just damn irritating when the fundamental laws of physics stop applying.

  22. Just Like Penicillin by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Informative

    Penicillin, the panacea of the last generation of medical science, was discovered accidentally by Alexander Fleming. Now a cancer cure, our era's "holy grail", has perhaps been found in a similar accident.

    It seems that the "error" part of the scientific method's "trial and error" process is even more important than the planned "trial" part.

    Maybe we should have more scientific research conducted like jazz, which is sometimes described as "gracefully exploiting errors".

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  23. Scientist Vs Researcher by TobascoKid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seeing as the move to get people to call crackers crackers and not hackers never worked, I really doubt trying to get people call researchers researchers is every going to take off, especially as all researchers are, by definition, scientists anyway.

    Anyway, why will changing the name stop ill-qualified challenges? One researcher in one branch of science could still challenge another researcher in another branch.

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    1. Re:Scientist Vs Researcher by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 3, Insightful

      all researchers are, by definition, scientists anyway.
      Great news - I'm researching ancient Greek, but I always wanted to be a scientist really.
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    2. Re:Scientist Vs Researcher by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This had bothered me since 8th grade English class when I was told that we were going to do research, and I envisioned white lab coats and studying things that had never been done/seen before. What a letdown it was when the teacher told us we were going to spend our time in the library studying what other people had done. Let's put the "re" back into research. What you are doing is true research, what scientists do is original search. (ok, they have to do a lot of research first to see what's already been done before they start to do the original stuff)

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  24. Re:Terrible article, facts wrong by xtracto · · Score: 4, Informative
    You should read TFA, no, not the one linked there but the one published by the researcher. it is available here. Of course you can only enter if you have a subscription OR your university has access to it. Mine has, and I took the time to take a look to the article :

    "PPAR Y inhibitors reduce tubulin protein levels by a PPAR, PPAR and proteasome-independent mechanism, resulting in cell cycle arrest, apoptosis and reduced metastasis of colorectal carcinoma cells"

    Measurement of metastasis in vivo

    Male severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID) mice, 6 weeks of age, were maintained in a specific pathogen-free environment. Experiments were performed according to the guidelines of Yokohama City University. At day 0, 2 106 HT-29 cells were injected into the spleen. After inoculation, the mice were randomized into 2 treatment groups (each with n = 6) and 1 control group (n = 6). Starting at day 1 and daily thereafter, T0070907 (1 or 5 mg/kg/day) or control (1% DMSO vehicle) was administered orally. These concentrations were chosen based on initial pilot experiments to detect morbidity based on T0070907 alone. At 1 or 5 mg/kg/day, no increased morbidity (based on grooming, activity and food intake) was noted in mice with or without injected tumor cells. Four weeks later, the number and size of metastatic lesions in the liver were determined. Tumor volume was calculated as previously described. and in the conclussion:

    hese results demonstrate that treating CRC cell lines with high doses of PPAR inhibitors leads to disruption of microtubule function, alterations in cell morphology, cell migration, cell cycle arrest and apoptosis. In addition, definitive antitumor effects are seen in vivo, after oral administration in a CRC mouse model. So yeah, they tested in mice and yeah it looks promising. Of course it might not be as "newsworthy" as media wants to make it look. Hundreds of similar articles can be obtained via scoups.com any day :)
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  25. Very True. Discovery of Teflon is another example. by g2devi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Dr. Plunkett was under contract with the DuPont Company and was doing research on methods of creating non-toxic refrigerants that would have very specialized uses; however, upon beginning his original experiment he realized that he had a problem . When he went to open the tank of gaseous tetrafluoroethylene, no gas came out of the cylinder; instead the only thing that came from this was a great curiosity . What perplexed Plunkett was that the weight of the tank indicated that there should be a given amount of the fluorocarbon present in the tank, and that it simply hadn't leaked out. This puzzled Plunkett and caused him to investigate what was actually still in the "empty" tank; however, it was not until he sawed the tank open that he realized what had taken place. Inside the tank he found a white, waxy powder and concluded that these individual gas molecules had bonded together to form this incredible solid, teflon, that had some very promising chemical properties."

    Source: http://users.wfu.edu/starbt5/Serendipity%20Project /website/Serendipity.htm

  26. Getting hungry, Jimmy? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

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    Scientician: Uhhhh...
    Troy: He'll tell you that anyone who makes observations, creates theories based on them, tests the predicitons of those theories, and modifies the theories based on the tests is a scientist. Don't kid yourself, Jimmy. If that scientician ever got the chance, he'd study you and everyone you care about.

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    1. Re:Getting hungry, Jimmy? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look at my uid. I've been here since before the karma cap. I neither need karma nor does being modded down hurt me in any way. Thanks for playing, though. Here's a copy of our home game, "Snide comments from the peanut gallery." Enjoy!

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  27. Mouse Cancer by trongey · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't believe they keep pouring so damn much money into research for curing mouse cancer. I mean, who cares if mice have cancer? They only live a couple of years anyway.
    Why don't they use some of this money to find cures for human diseases or world hunger, or something?

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    1. Re:Mouse Cancer by Bastian · · Score: 4, Informative

      This might have been meant as a joke, but there's a healthy dose of truth to it. There's enough physiological difference between mice and humans that you can't trust research on them to be applicable to humans. This is why animal testing has to be followed up with extensive human trials before a drug can be released to the market.

      For example, many animal trials (mice in particular) didn't show cigarette smoke to be nearly as much of a cancer risk as it is for humans. This research data was in turn used by Big Tobacco in their defense back when they were still trying to pretend that smoking isn't so bad.

      Similarly, penicillin's release to the market was delayed because it had a tendency to kill lab animals.

  28. She was lucky by WrongDecision · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Agreed. She was lucky. "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity" -somebody intelligent said that, damned if I know who.

  29. Re:PPAR-Gamma is a cellular receptor, not a compou by pclminion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you're saying I shouldn't find out about things on Slashdot because I could just look in one of a billion scientific journals? Oddly enough, I think most Slashdot readers aren't hardcore scientists and don't spend their time reading scientific journals (seeing as WE CAN'T without paying subscriptions). So if we don't read it here, where SHOULD we read about it? I haven't seen this in the mainstream news.

    Quit being an elitist asshole.

  30. The headline is accurate, too by iamacat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The scientist is still annoyed, because the compound is already patented, and thus will not be profitable as a cancer drug. Therefore, they will work on making another, possibly more toxic or less effective, formula rather than pushing for a human trial.

    1. Re:The headline is accurate, too by nanoakron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where the fuck do you get your cynicism from?

      Yeah, that's right - all cancer researchers are only out for a quick buck and fuck every possible cure that gets in their way.

      Yeah, cancer researchers are holding back the true cures until we pay them enough.

      Yeah, cancer research laboratories don't employ people suffering from cancer themselves. It's only the lay public that suffer from cancer, not scientists and stuff.

      You fucking retard.

  31. Re:Typical science by Atraxen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm really wary of this either/or approach. We need both! To use an analogy - an army with either only front line troops or logistics/occupation forces will hold no new ground. The pure research folks push forward the front, and the integrated science and engineering folks make the connections that solidify the progress made to date. There's space enough for all of us (being a basic scientist myself who also crosses the line into looking for applicability).

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  32. Re:Not sure how to feel by mlyle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The tanning agents are being researched because they have the possibility of preventing a heck of a lot of cases of skin cancer-- by protecting people against the sun BEFORE damage occurs. Also, people might go outside to tan themselves less with an alternative.

    (But even if you're going to the beach, there's a benefit and prevented skin damage by taking this first, other than your boner showing through your swim trunks).

    So, it's not quite so silly, eh?