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James Gosling Appointed to the Order of Canada
Andrija Ifkovic writes "James Gosling, the creator of Java language and a VP of Sun has been appointed to the Order of Canada. 'The Order of Canada recognizes outstanding lifetime achievement and contributions to society and the country by Canadians from all walks of life.' This is the highest honor Canada can bestow upon its citizens."
Why is James Gosling is receiving the OoC?
I was just looking through the Java source and it says "// Author: Joyce Hatto"
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Highest honor? Bah! Stanley Cup tickets are the highest honor that can be bestoyed upon any real Canadian.
Can you blame them?
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Look everybody, Canada is a country too! They have awards and everything!
This is the highest award that Jimmy can give citizens! Huzzah!
While the Order of Canada is indeed prestigious to Canadian citizens, it's sometimes hard to take it 100% seriously as a huge honor when Bob and Doug Mackenzie (Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis) also received the same reward for their "contributions to Canadian Culture"
So now we get to blame Canada for Java too? Woohoo! Is there nothing they are not at fault for?
Fast, cheap & reliable. Pick two.
How many other language inventors are Canadian?
For making Java, he should have been deported, though.
run anywhere."
shouldn't that read: This is the highest honour Canada can bestow upon its citizens? Come one let's use the Canadian spelling, eh.
First they gave us William Shatner, now Java. Is there any evil to which those accursed Canadians will not stoop?
If that continues coutries might just start banning piracy!
Pam's from up here. At least we're not responsible for Anna though. Only the USA could produce a trainwreck of that magnitude.
Not as bad as the Bitkeeper guy, nor probably even the CDDB guy, but still--grrr...
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It's aboot time he recieved this, eh.
Azural - instrumentals
COBOL is way better than Java.
As opposed to our 'Freedom Medal' which you get if you really fu*k up badly.
That's TOO much of a coincidence!!! :-)
You are right. My bad.
My favorite Java incident was when the lead manager of the Java admin part of a rather complex embedded system I was the lead engineer on (but told to use Java for our admin interface) said "testing filed a memory leak against my code, it can't be, Java is garbage collected."
Yes, but in some GUI history object holding a reference to some 4MB "temporary" working data structure x 100 past history entries is a memory leak (especially in 1997). The constant excuse that garbage collection excuses programmers from proper lifetime/resource management really chapps my ass.
Now, where did I put that chapstick for my ass....
If "the best that Canada can offer" is just recognition sans cash, then obviously they can easily create a "higher" award. After all, one reason so many scientists want to win a Nobel prize is that the accompanying cash is quite a chunk.
From http://www.free-soft.org/gpl_history/
"My later dealings with him personally showed that he was every bit as cowardly and despicable as you would expect from that history."
It doesn't say "the best that Canada can offer", it says "the highest honor Canda can bestow". Maybe your honor system uses dollars as its measure, but Canada's does not.
Yep, I've been watching too much Firefly.
Well, no. See for well over a century we have been an independant country up here in Canada. Yes, we are still a member of the Commonwealth (along with a lot of other countries you might know like Australia and New Zealand etc), and the Queen is still a symbolic head of the Commonwealth, but we are a completely independant country with our own Constitution, Laws and everything. In practice the Queen has zero political power in Canada, its all symbolic and traditional nothing more. Thus we have our own awards.
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The thing is, most of us don't see that as a bad thing, whereas you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason - probably something to do with that whole "Tea" issue in Boston way back when. I admit it, the King made a mistake back then OK?. If you would just get over that though, I am sure we could let you back into the Commonwealth
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Well, no. See for well over a century we have been an independent country up here in Canada.
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Not only that, but unlike the US, Canada has equal rights for women, permits gay marriages, and solved the whole abortion debate decades ago.
Plus, they have Nelly Furtado. Think about it
And, at one point, I happened to be away from my Army unit on back-to-back training courses when the Queen visited - and so was the only member of my unit not to have a medal from that visit. Dang.
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"...you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason..."
I believe the reason was taxation w/ out representation....
They are entertainers...and the characters are pretty funny. I don't think that, just because thier characters are buffoons means they are less talented or deserving.
Case in point: I don't think anyone would question the talents of Peter Sellers, yet Inspector Clueso is far more of a buffoon then either of the two.
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man...I'm crushing my Karma with political commentary today :(
A goal is a dream with a deadline
American money has the symbol of the illuminati and an oath to an imaginary supernatural being. I think canada wins here.
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
As subjects of the Queen, couldn't he also be knighted?
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As someone who spent the better part of a day trying to get Eclipse, Swing, Tomcat, and the JDK set up, I think he should have had the medal pinned to his scrotum.
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
People often accuse Americans of not getting irony. But the best example of not-getting-irony is Alanis Morisette's "Ironic", and she's Canadian.
And isn't that ironic? Don't you think?
It's like raaaaaiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn on your wedding day....
Well, except that rain on your wedding day isn't ironic, but I think that was my point. Anyway, we can blame Canada for that too.
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Sure, just as soon as you guys finally get around to separating church and state.
See for well over a century we have been an independant country up here in Canada.
Not really. The right for civil court appeals to the UK Privy Council ended in 1949.
Canada wasn't independent until the 1980s when Trudeau repatriated the constitution from the UK. Prior to that, the UK parliament could amend Canada's constitution whenever they felt like it. If Canada wanted changes to their constitution, they had to ask the UK parliament to do it for them, because they lacked the legal power to do so.
Currently, there is no legal relationship between the UK & Canadian governments, aside from having the same head of state (the Queen).
Who's the head of state of Canada?
Um... The Queen of Canada.
God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
Personally, I'm just glad that this helps to clarify the species.
Java was, apparently, invented by an immature Canada Goose, as opposed the the Greylag variety that we see more of around here..
1. Well written Java programs aren't slow
2. Poor programmers don't know how to optimize their code to run well
3. Java makes it easy for even poor programmers to do their job
Take these three statements and you have your truth on Java. Any single piece of code can be made to grind your system to a halt. Its nothing special to Java, but since the only client-side Java apps you've been exposed to are apparently ass, then you'll never know.
What Java and any other modern high level language allows for are people who aren't necessarily the best programmers to still do their jobs. Do I see you wanting to go out and build business apps, or are you more likely to make super-cool widget X? Since you're choosing to do the more interesting widget, someone's left to build that business app. If all there were only 'good' programmers in our industry, only a very very few things would ever be done. Since we don't live in that world, we have to make less optimal programmers as effective as possible.
Bye!
Does that make him a Canada Gosling as well as a Canadian Gosling?
Canada also seems to have a problem with chasing beavers.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
In day to day practise yes, but in truth the Governor General and in turn the Queen do have some very important political power. The powers that the GG (and the Queen) hold are part of the checks and balances of government in Canada preventing an "unscrupulous Prime Minister" from doing too much harm.
The GG (as the representative of the head of state) and the head of state (currently the Queen, but will be a King) are the only ones allowed to dissolve parliament and call an election. The Prime Minister is not allowed. The GG also gives Royal Ascent to new laws. By tradition the GG will dissolve parliament and pass Royal Ascent when the Prime Minister asks so that a new federal election can be called and new laws can come into effect. Theoretically the Queen (by way of the GG in Canada and other commonwealth nations) can dissolve parliament at any time and can withhold Royal Ascent. But like in England, if this happened there would be a political firestorm kicked up. This happened once in Canada in 1926 when the GG did not dissolve a minority government as requested by the Prime Minister. In Australia where the GG has the same role, their GG dissolved the government in 1975 due to a crisis in government. In both cases this kicked up a lot of debate on the role of the GG.
Only the Queen (or King) can appoint a GG, but by tradition appoints someone suggested by the PM.
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Fun fact: When the Queen of England leaves Britain and is on Canadian soil, she IS the queen of Canada. Take the parliament tour in Ottawa; It's pretty interesting.
There is NO compelling or practical reason to dump the queen as a symbolic head of state. And no, being disrespected by someone on the internets is no reason to throw your entire country's history away.
STFU about slashdot bias.
I believe that should be,
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"Get rid of this ridiculous heriditary dictatorship and become a corrupt republic, for chrissake."
The commonwealth countries are democracies and
democracies > Republics
Rather than giving Gosling the order of Canada, wouldn't it be better form for Gosling and Canada to extend a common implementation of Comparable?
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- Member of the Order of Canada
- Officer of the Order of Canada
- Companion of the Order of Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_CanadaThe thing is, most of us don't see that as a bad thing, whereas you US folks have this pre-conditioned distrust of Royalty for some unfathomable reason
The concept of "Royalty" is a history-encompassing scam where brigand families who murdered and backstabbed their way to political dominance, then established the fiction that they were fundamentally superior by the grace of genetics and edict of God, and used that fiction to claim right to subjugate and torture their "subjects" when not embroiling them in self-enriching wars. They are not better than anyone else, worse in fact because they lived high on the hog on the lie that they were better. The history of most "royal" families should make being a member a mark of shame, not something to be elevated.
Even if the Royal family doesn't have power anymore, it should be as disgusting and shameful as the Confederate flag, a symbol of when one class had institutional, irrevocable license to dominate over another. I have no respect at all for even the symbolic institution of royalty. I wouldn't associate with someone who clung proudly to their ancestral plantation heritage, and likewise I wouldn't accept an honor from a false institution such as royalty. If anything, you are the one preconditioned to accept such garbage, not us to reject it.
Here's an independent confirmation: Although it has been written in various places that Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas received the Order of Canada for their contribution to Canadian culture, a phone call to Rideau Hall revealed that they were not members of the Order of Canada.
call me crazy, but as an atheist and devout (small-r) republican, i find the idea that someone is worthy of being my head of state by dint of their lineage, and ultimately because of divine right, to be not just preposterous, but offensive.
i know it doesn't make much practical difference. i lived in england for a couple of years, and i never had to make any profession of fealty or bow to royalty in any way. but still i find it bizarre that such progressive countries should allow such a remnant of despotism to linger for so long.
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Could it be because royalty is just hereditary dictatorship in fancy clothes? In your case it's hereditary dictatorship that doesn't do anything useful. And it's not just US folks either. In some countries, like France and Russia, they went and killed all their royalty. I like that idea!
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Oh right, I get it now. The corrupt republic is so pure compared to those evil monarchs.
Out of curiosity, do you also call the star spangled banner a disgusting symbol of a violent history? What does that symbol represent to people in Vietnam, Latin America or Iraq? If the philosohy that that symbol represents to the rest of the world is "do it our way or die", how could you possibly respect it? Can you reconcile this with the attitude that "They are not Americans so they are less human, they have less right to choose their destiny"?
US patriots will mod this Troll, but I can't help responding when this sort of hypocritical drivel has been modded up.
I don't therefore I'm not.
Does it come with a coomplementary Kraft Dinner? What about Treasure? Does he have to search for it?
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Someone has to be head of state. Personally, I think it's best if that figure has little real political power, since they will attract a lot of misplaced emotional projection. There are Americans who think, for example, that it's unpatriotic to criticize the president. Citizens should be critical of those who wield power. Let them feel that it's unpatriotic to criticize the king, and feel free to throw tomatoes or garlands at their elected officials as deserved.
The founding fathers of the US should have made Benjamin Franklin king. Again, let the king have no real political power, but as a figurehead head of state for the US, King Ben the first would have been great.
Loose lips lose spit.
...we are a completely independant country with our own Constitution, Laws and everything.
Your own orthography too, evidently.
Cool you'll be starting on the Bush family soon I take it.
Is that where she climbs all over the bill in question? Or possibly mounts Parliament Hill? Or did you perhaps mean "Royal Assent"?
What was once true, is no longer so
I'm not so sure of that...
We have William Lyon Mackenzie King on our fifty IIRC. He was as kooky as a barrel full of skunks, besides being an excellent PM.
"Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you."
There, condensed that for you.
What was once true, is no longer so
I've never met a good programmer who liked Java.
That's ok. A lot of people haven't met Josh Bloch.
Fortune favors the bold.
If it's the highest honour Canada can bestow, where the hell is Don Cherry? Hell, he should be Governor General.
Course he'll still need that 7 second delay.
A hereditary dictatorship you say? Is that where the ruler of a country passes off that role to a family member or to their offspring? Why does that situation sound so familiar...
George 'W' Bush. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Scions of American dynasty, in case you hadn't noticed.
I'd rather make the nod to history and tradition by vesting the titular role of head of state in a member of the royal family, who is effectively powerless to interfere in matters of state, than to live in a de facto hereditary dictatorship without being able to recognize the fact. By the way, I'm a (small-r) republican.
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but still i find it bizarre that such progressive countries should allow such a remnant of despotism to linger for so long.
I find it equally bizarre that a progressive country, such as the US, would allow their head of state to be appointed by a court of law.
The concept of "Royalty" is a history-encompassing scam where brigand families who murdered and backstabbed their way to political dominance
There's no doubt in my mind that the monarchical system developed through some sorta odd psychological need. While it's true that a lot of uglyness has occurred in maintaining monarchies over the centuries, it's not like democracy doesn't take us in a semi-similar direction.
As it has been said before, 8 years of President Hillary Clinton would make for 28 straight years of domination of US politics by two families. This is really not that unusual in countries where people elect the head of government. (Undoubtedly, the framers of the Constitution didn't want us to elect the head of government and it's an accident of history that we do. In fact, the parliamentary style system, the most common system found in monarchies/ex-monarchies, doesn't have popular elections for the head of government, so they don't get that pseudo-monarchy effect.)
Ouch. That cuts like a knife.
1. Well written Java programs aren't slow
What bollox. It's trivial to write a program that will never complete its execution. Also a well written piece of C code WILL run faster than a well written piece of Java code. Java's easier to maintain in the long run though I'll grant you.
2. Poor programmers don't know how to optimize their code to run well
True enough. Poor programmers don't know how. Good one's are rarely given the time to do it. It's usually not cost effective to optimise most code.
3. Java makes it easy for even poor programmers to do their job
Clearly you've never met a truly poor programmer.
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The optics of the Canadian parliament are very interesting, given that so much of politics is managed optics. The vast majority are white, a large majority are male; out of proportion with the population and a picture of late colonial chauvinism. Then up there at the head, literally and figuratively, is this statuesque black woman of humble origins and high esteem, with her hand on the plug.
While the Klan and its kin are quiescent and underground, and people generally maintain an air of politeness, the thread of racism runs pretty strongly through the canadian multicultural tapestry. Polite, but still virulent and systematic. So, it's a very interesting balance of power illuminated by those optics (and you know they've been manufactured: she's an appointee). The head of state is a socially progressive black woman, so there.
Damn those pesky terrorists
I wholeheartedly agree! Off with their heads! That's what's so great about the land of the brave: Americans don't have royalty, the same way they don't have an Empire.
Damn those pesky terrorists
So now it's called 'Janada', or something.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
Not necessarily. Mozambique is a member of the Commonwealth. It had no historical ties with Britain.
In the parliamentary system, the Head of State doesn't really govern: she is essentially a constitutional referee, making sure those who do govern don't abuse the system. Having a Head of State chosen by a hereditary rule ensures that the referee is completely indepenedent; in the case of the Queen, she also received careful training for her role and now has fifty years of experience in the high questions of government. By contrast, since Presidents are chosen in elections, they are normally politicians, and thus are not seen as entirely impartial and universally respected when there is a constitutional crisis.
Really, I think it's obvious that Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand have had much better government than the US over the last two hundred years (no civil wars, and an earlier abolition of slavery, for instance). Some people would argue that they have vastly better government than the US at the moment too. Having a Head of State above politics has been a key part of the successful systems.
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Oh Canada!
They're just so cute, with their little order.
I have often wondered about this. When Liz finally carks it, Chuck will be the next King of England because of an algorithm coded in UK law. Thats the one which says something like oldest to youngest male child, then oldest to youngest female, or whatever.
But here in Australia do we have a parallel law? Or do we inherit british law. I know that we inherited basic laws about theft, etc. But that was like taking patches from the UK until we started writing our own.
So if the UK law of succession changed at some point since 1901 and we forgot to C&P the changes over could we accidently wind up with a different King or Queen when the law is applied?
And if we can't get the republic up, could we at least change the law of succession so that an Australian gets the nod? How about making the current captain of the national cricket team King for the next 10 years?
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So...
Yeah, we've had sets of Presidents in the same family four times. Out of 43 Presidents. With entire decades usually intervening between the elder president and his younger relation. That's a real "de facto hereditary dictatorship" we've got going on here, especially since the President has the sole power to declare war and assent to legislation.
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technically, it's the house of representatives that accepts the vote of the electoral college and resolves disputes, ties (like jefferson v. burr in 1800), etc. there's a melodramatic bit in fahrenheit 9/11 where numerous reps try to challenge the certification of the 2000 election, but fail on procedural grounds because no senator would join in the challenge.
now, the bush v. gore ruling was a travesty of justice, and i think it will be remembered as a low point of the modern court. but they didn't actually him president.
even if they did, though (or effectively did given how high the hurdle is for challenging an election in the house), i'd rather have a court of appointed and ratified judges than a monarch. judges are at least ostensibly chosen for their merits.
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You're absolutely right, of course. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcicial aquatic ceremony! You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you! If I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
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Back in the '80s, a majority Indo-Fijian government was elected. (There is major ethnic strife between Indians and indigenous Fijians). The indigenous Fijians (who controlled the military) overthrew the elected government and declared their leader Prime-Minister. IIRC, the Queen instructed the Governor-General to refuse consent and tried to reappoint the elected Government. The military then declared a republic and deposed the Governor-General, ending the Monarchy in Fiji.
So those constitutional checks are only effective if backed by sufficient force. As a practical matter, a Government of sufficient power (popular or otherwise) would be free to ignore the Monarchy.
Seeing as he works for Sun, the Canada of the tech industry.
Yeah, it would be great if Canada got rid of that stupid hereditary rule bullshit, just like the good 'ole U. S. of A. did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States _Presidents_by_genealogical_relationship
Larry McVoy. Here's an extremely bland description of what happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitKeeper
The common thread I was alluding to was the attempt by these parties to take something from the "public domain" and restrict it for commercial purposes.
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And let us not forget the legal theory that relations with the various native peoples are based on treaties directly between the Crown and sovereign nations in their own right. The Mohawk people have the strongest enforcement of this, which is why the Queen last visited, she met with representatives of the Mohawk Nation. If I recall correctly, there was something of a political embarrassment during her last visit when the representatives of the Inuit people used her last state visit as an opportunity to appeal directly to her over matters the current government refused to deal with.
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If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
Clearly you've never met a truly poor programmer.
I have: (Paraphrased from the original Informix 4GL)
For i = 1 to 8
Case i
When 1
Location1 = 0
When 2
Location2 = 0
When 3
Location3 = 0
When 4
Location4 = 0
When 5
Location5 = 0
When 6
Location6 = 0
When 7
Location7 = 0
When 8
Location8 = 0
End Case
Next
And it got worse from there...
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Whose fault is Java? Blame Canada!
I said that and was modded flamebait. .
:) ) was a Canadian (I am informed, I don't know him personally)
Still, Brian Kernighan (yeah, some guy who had hardly any effect on the world of programming languages
I'm mystified. Can someone tell me why that post warrants a flamebait mod?
One of my friends, who was intelligent but should never have been programming once admitted to me that on a commercial project he used cut and paste because he didn't know for loop syntax. 100 lines later...
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So: to be noticed by Canadian politicians, a software development figure would need to be a) rich, b) famous, c) at least vaguely Canadian, and d) have done something that wasn't provably detrimental to society (presumably the Canadian government was willing to overlook the plague of crapplets that Gosling's work helped to unleash upon us). That's a pretty harsh set of criteria, given that most development figures are middle class (at best) and labour in obscurity. The few that are rich mostly got there by releasing horrible, horrible software that everyone outside of a corporate purchasing committee despises. And Canada is rather small population-wise (the ratio of Canadians to Americans is a little over 1:10 ).
Hey, Canadians are pretty serious about their comedy. We like a good laugh. It helps to keep us from spending our time thinking of news ways to make life miserable for each other, or from sitting around convincing ourselves that terrorists are sure to come and try to blow up our little hick town's beloved Wal-Mart. Farce, ironically enough, keeps people grounded in reality.
And Americans probably dig the British Monarchy quite a bit more than Canadians do. One of the benefits of a couple of a divorce is that you can go back for a quick fling, and it's all good. Time and distance heal all wounds. But when you're still in the separation period, that kind of thing just doesn't fly.
You must have realized your comment was only semantic, it wouldn't appear witty otherwise. The problem is that it's wrong. Even if a lot of power is concentrated into a few hands doesn't make royalty. It's not hereditary, institutionalized, or concomitant with any claim of inherent superiority. Likewise if you want to argue that the USA is an empire, then please do so within the confines of the actual definition of the term.
What compelled you to post? Did you actually disagree with me, or was it just unacceptable to you that someone might have presented a case where the USA wasn't totally wrong?
It's true that 'empire' is a deprecated term, in the dustbin of history for now. So what has replaced it? How does one describe a state that has over 700 military bases in over 100 nations, and a corresponding international web of commerce and espionage? That considers the other side of the globe its own backyard? The term begs redefinition, because while the label 'empire' has gone away with the power of the royals, the urge to make one sure hasn't. American patriotism strives to overlook the implications of its territorial spread across the planet, because "it isn't an empire."
Likewise with 'royalty.' The queen has little actual provenance over my life (give me starchy hapless 'Liz over Darth Cheney any day). However, the captains of industry and finance do. Many of the most powerful are grafted into vast institutional networks and their power is hereditary.
Institutions adapt or die. The power and method of the elites has changed over time, but blood still matters, and the old ways of heredity are intertwined with the new ways of industry.
What compelled you to post? Did you actually disagree with me, or was it just unacceptable to you that someone might have presented a case where the USA wasn't totally wrong?Now now, no need to sneer. Who could disagree with you (other than some confederate moderator)? Rejecting royalty is a great foundation for a state. It's just that it didn't work, they came back in another form, and that revolution is spent. Your original post (an american railing at the depravities of the elites of rival systems) seemed unselfconsciously ironic, and needed help.
Damn those pesky terrorists