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Building the Interplanetary Internet
sighted writes "Internet pioneer Vint Cerf, now a Google VP, is leading a NASA effort to create a permanent network link to Mars within the next two years. As Cerf outlined in a recent talk, the 'InterPlaNet' protocol is designed to handle the delay caused by interplanetary distances. A signal traveling between the Earth and Mars can take up to 20 minutes."
Martian porn takes too long to download.
My parents recently moved my family to Mars. I'm an avid gamer, but I'm now having a hard time playing online games as my ping is frequently 20 minutes or more. I've added 8 CPUs to my network card, but it hasn't helped the situation any. I'm wondering if anyone has found any solutions to this problem? I'm looking into using wormholes or possibly bending space-time in some other way, but I'm just not sure where to direct my efforts. I really miss playing Doom XV online, and I hear Duke Nukem Forever will be out soon, so any help would be appreciated.
Because we all know that we can't do both at the same time ....
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Forget Sealand, build a torrent server on Mars and see what the MPAA does :)
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Parts of this planet don't have broadband yet for economic reasons, this is more of a technical problem to solve. Apples and Oranges.
It makes sense to be looking and working towards the future, this sounds like an interesting project.
Actually, the majority (at least recently) use CCSDS
OHHHH!....that makes me VERY ANGRY!!! (huff huff huff)....Very Angry INDEED!!!!
A goal is a dream with a deadline
Mars is, roughly, between 50 and 250 million miles away from earth, depending where we are in our solar orbits. Recently, the closest it's been in a long while is nearly 35 million miles (back in 2003 according to the Intertron)... but the distance swings rapidly as we race around our orbits... it can go from 40 million to 200 million in the space of a few months. I'm using 50 million as a rough average for the sake of illustration.
Given the speed of light, as fast as we think we can go, is *only* 670 million mph... that means the fastest one way trip we think anything can do is still going to take 4.5 minutes... it'll be better when it's closer (just over 3 minutes) and worse when it's on the opposite side of the sun (22 minutes)... and remember thats just one way!
Even if we plant a colony on mars, you won't be seeing ms ping times between earth.sol and mars.sol until there a breakthrough in our understanding of physics and we figure out how to go faster than the speed of light.
For those who didn't want to bother to read this post, if you want to play Halo XXV on a Mars server, you'll need to figure out a way to communicate with that installation at superluminal speeds.
With a twenty minute delay, the standard practice of resending dropped packets becomes more prohibitive (the send/NAK/resend would take an hour!), so you'd have to make the encoding redundant enough so that most errors could be recovered by the receiver - without doubling the bandwidth. Oh, it would be fun!
Ok, I'll go back to writing documentation now. >sigh
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
InterPlaNet? When the time comes is Pluto going to get shafted again?
Just an idea why not used entangled atoms to bypass this distant problem?.
As far as i know there is no limit on distance, changes in one atom happens at the same time on the other atom altough they are on different locations. Thats a quantum physic property
But i'm not sure if information can be passed trough this method (wel hack thats worth investigation)
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It's probably political as much as economic. Many countries have government-granted monopolies for their phone companies, and these lumbering monopolists have little reason to change the infrastructure.
Add to that the class of nations run by people who find it convenient to keep the populace ignorant (China, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc), and you have a practically insurmountable problem, no matter how much money is diverted from NASA to broadband connections for the unconnected.
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Amazing isn't it. As a UK citizen I used to think that America was this democratic utopia of free trade, where healthy competition between companies resulted in the best deal for customers anywhere. I mean, your prices are so much lower than ours, so it must work right?
I remember first becoming aware that things weren't quite right when (several years ago) I read about the dysfunctional state of the cell phone network across the USA, and the fact that I could send SMS messages to come people, but not to others because of interoperability's between network vendors. Then I learned about the draconian restrictions the cell phone networks place on their customers, like multi-year tie in clauses and crippled phone functionality.
But the scales really got knocked from my eyes when the California blackouts happened in 2000, caused by Enron's manipulative energy trading. People died because of that. What a mess!
Now I read about this. What went wrong guys? Capitalism was never supposed to be as f*cked up as this.
ATTN: The President/Ceo
From: Martian Barrister Bob N'g'w'll'ac
Utopia Planitia Law Firm
Legal Practitioners
Mars.
Confidential Proposal/Investment Assistance.
Greetings and love to you in the name of the most high Xenu from my beloved planet Mars. I am sorry and I solicit your permission into your privacy. I am Martian Barrister Bob N'g'w'll'ac, lawyer to the late Prince Grunthor eldest son of the late former Emperor of Mars late Warlord Xandor.
My former client late Prince Grunthor died in a plane crash in the year 2094. Upon the death of my former client and unknown to the family that is currently under house arrest and undergoing prosecution in the hands of the present administration as a result of human right violation and looting of the planet's treasury by the late head of state Warlord Xandor.
Before the death of my client he had deposited 90,000,000.00 Martian Mega-bucks with a secret security firm in two trunk boxes in my name, and I am the only authority to this fund which he was to transfer off world few days after he died in a plane crash.
This fund was deposited with the security firm in my name because my client stole this fund from the planet's treasury and he did not want anyone to know that he is associated with the fund in question not until the fund is successfully moved off world.
The security firm does not know the actual content of the trunk boxes, my client and I told them that the boxes contains old Martian artifacts to be delivered to a client off world via Interplanetary Courier Services. For now it is only you and I that is having knowledge of this fund, and the only assistance I require from you is to help me receive this fund in either Amsterdam, London or Spain depending on our country of agreement and possibly invest it abroad in your area of advice.
This fund shall be disbursed accordingly as follows: 25% for the recipient (you) from the total sum(90MMMB). 2% for the courier officer in the country where you shall receive the trunk boxes. 5% set aside from the entire sum for expenses incurred by both parties in due course of executing this transaction (home and abroad). 68% for me.
If you are not satisfied with the percentage sharing of the fund feel free to let me know. In compliance with this you are to immediately forward to me by mail the following: Your full names and address Confidential space phone and space fax numbers.
With this information I will immediately commence all necessary documentation for a successful shipment of the first trunk box to your country of choice as all the modalities have already been worked out by me. I will also give you full details of this whole transaction which I have already perfected in due course.
Please note that you are to treat this with utmost confidentiality willing or not willing to assist me in this transaction as nobody knows about this fund and I am still an active lawyer in this country.
THE CHOICE IS YOURS, IF I WERE YOU I WOULD, BECAUSE IT WILL COST YOU LITTLE OR NOTHING TO ACHIEVE THIS AND THE BENEFIT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER.
Remain blessed in the name of XENU.
Yours faithfully Martian Barrister Bob N'g'w'll'ac
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Capitalism isn't supposed to be anything except profitable. It's not supposed to provide services well. It's not supposed to interoperate well. It's not even supposed to keep people alive. It is supposed to maximize profits by any means necessary.
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
Don't underestimate the bandwidth of a transporter beam full of tapes !
You can transmit information this way, but not faster than light.
The problem is that whenever you observe one atom, the super-position collapses instantaneously for both. That means the receiver needs to know that the sender has already measured the atom on the sending end before observing their atom on the receiving end, this would have to be done by a standard, non-FTL signal. You also have the problem of not being able to collapse the super-position into a specific value (say 0 or 1), so while the receiver would know what state the sender's atom is in, that state is a random value (0 or 1), so no data is actually conveyed.
The first problem may be overcome with some time-based scheme, where the sender and receiver have syncronized clocks, and have agreed at what time the sender will measure his atom. The problem with random waveform collapse, however, would be harder to overcome, though I think the quantum computers in recent articles have managed to make it slightly less-random.
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