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Building the Interplanetary Internet
sighted writes "Internet pioneer Vint Cerf, now a Google VP, is leading a NASA effort to create a permanent network link to Mars within the next two years. As Cerf outlined in a recent talk, the 'InterPlaNet' protocol is designed to handle the delay caused by interplanetary distances. A signal traveling between the Earth and Mars can take up to 20 minutes."
... need online pr0n too.
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
Martian porn takes too long to download.
My parents recently moved my family to Mars. I'm an avid gamer, but I'm now having a hard time playing online games as my ping is frequently 20 minutes or more. I've added 8 CPUs to my network card, but it hasn't helped the situation any. I'm wondering if anyone has found any solutions to this problem? I'm looking into using wormholes or possibly bending space-time in some other way, but I'm just not sure where to direct my efforts. I really miss playing Doom XV online, and I hear Duke Nukem Forever will be out soon, so any help would be appreciated.
Parts of this planet we live on don't even have access to a broadband Internet connection, and now they want to plug Mars on the network? Talk about priorities...
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This would be a protocol that would bind in with TCP/IP. Former space missions used protocols invented by the companies that built the hardware, not necessarily a common framework. This should change all that...
"leading a NASA effort to create a permanent network link to Mars within the next two years"
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Forget Sealand, build a torrent server on Mars and see what the MPAA does :)
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I have a feeling they're going to title this protocol: RFC 1149-I (I for Interstellar / Interplanetary)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carrie
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No trees were killed in the making of this post; however, many trillions of electrons were horribly inconvenienced.
A 40 minute ping really sucks for gaming and means no one is going to let you play.
I'll be keeping an eye on this to see how they address these sorts of issues. Also, does this not relate to RFC 1149? Certainly the latency issue is common.
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With dual Quantum-Nano processors, just open the holo-window dialog box and set the video refresh to -20 minutes. Make sure you avert your eyes from the dialog box when making the change, however, since once it's measured, it ceases to exist.
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I'm not aware of any places except maybe near the North or South Poles where people don't have access to two-way satellite Internet like DirectPC.
Yes, ping times for games might be crappy, but downloads are quite speedy once you get going (though "chatty" stuff with lots of small messages like Peer-to-Peer also can suck.)
Again, it's economics. I suppose you'll be able to find political hack whiners claiming $80 a month is a "huge ripoff, the gubmint must get involved"; nevermind the investments made to bring it in at that price rather than billions, millions, or even thousands a month.
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OHHHH!....that makes me VERY ANGRY!!! (huff huff huff)....Very Angry INDEED!!!!
A goal is a dream with a deadline
I think this is news now since one node of the future IPN is scheduled to be functional by 2008. The article doesn't specify in what way though; albeit a new orbiting satellite (gateway) around Mars, or just reprogramming some existing Mars mission device already deployed (to test the IPN protocol).
I like pretty pictures and diagrams. So, I found a good presentation by Cerf back in 2000 which outlined these challenges and why we need the IPN.
I hope, when they die, cartoon characters have to answer for their sins.
Mars is, roughly, between 50 and 250 million miles away from earth, depending where we are in our solar orbits. Recently, the closest it's been in a long while is nearly 35 million miles (back in 2003 according to the Intertron)... but the distance swings rapidly as we race around our orbits... it can go from 40 million to 200 million in the space of a few months. I'm using 50 million as a rough average for the sake of illustration.
Given the speed of light, as fast as we think we can go, is *only* 670 million mph... that means the fastest one way trip we think anything can do is still going to take 4.5 minutes... it'll be better when it's closer (just over 3 minutes) and worse when it's on the opposite side of the sun (22 minutes)... and remember thats just one way!
Even if we plant a colony on mars, you won't be seeing ms ping times between earth.sol and mars.sol until there a breakthrough in our understanding of physics and we figure out how to go faster than the speed of light.
For those who didn't want to bother to read this post, if you want to play Halo XXV on a Mars server, you'll need to figure out a way to communicate with that installation at superluminal speeds.
With a twenty minute delay, the standard practice of resending dropped packets becomes more prohibitive (the send/NAK/resend would take an hour!), so you'd have to make the encoding redundant enough so that most errors could be recovered by the receiver - without doubling the bandwidth. Oh, it would be fun!
Ok, I'll go back to writing documentation now. >sigh
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
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InterPlaNet? When the time comes is Pluto going to get shafted again?
We can test it by using it on the moon first, and use it to download porn of Amazon women. I bet there will be plenty of volunteers to test that out.
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They are going to use MAT (Mars Address Translation)
I hear that Google is already getting sued by the Martians over copyright violations.
Just an idea why not used entangled atoms to bypass this distant problem?.
As far as i know there is no limit on distance, changes in one atom happens at the same time on the other atom altough they are on different locations. Thats a quantum physic property
But i'm not sure if information can be passed trough this method (wel hack thats worth investigation)
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UUCP and USENET were good analogs, with "latency" usually being "less than an hour" or "less than a day" but sometimes "less than a week. Heck, there was one outfit that got USENET feeds by TAPE every week.
A 747 full of HD-DVDs or Blue-Rays has high bandwidth but terrible latency.
Any reason UDP's "send and forget" with an appropriate application- and link-level protocol can't be used? Of course, this would only be useful for non-latency-sensitive applications, such as a scheduled "push" of data, where the schedule was set up ahead of time. Given the chances of error, it should also have lots of error-correcting bits at the link level and a delay-tolerant error recovery at the application layer.
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Because any energy you apply to either particle of an entangled pair disentangles them. There is no Royal Road to the Ansible through entanglement.
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Utopia Planitia Law Firm
Legal Practitioners
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I am actually surprised no one has done this before. The Nasa people can figure out specifics, but a number of comm satellites in mars orbit, plus an number in ours to act as relays to mission headquarters.
Your talking about maybe a dozen total communication relays, and then every probe sent to mars would only need to be able to reach orbit saving lot's of power for other tools and test equipment.
Charge the ESA, russia, or anyone else a bit of cash for relay use, and help pay for it.
Just hope they don't lose their wi-fi connection and you have to go their to reboot the machine.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Don't underestimate the bandwidth of a transporter beam full of tapes !
Not possible according to wikipedia:
As a result, measurements performed on one system seem to be instantaneously influencing other systems entangled with it. But quantum entanglement does not enable the transmission of classical information faster than the speed of light (see discussion in next section below).
and here:
Although no information can be transmitted through entanglement alone, it is possible to transmit information using a set of entangled states used in conjunction with a classical information channel. This process is known as quantum teleportation. Despite its name, quantum teleportation cannot be used to transmit information faster than light, because a classical information channel is required.
You can transmit information this way, but not faster than light.
The problem is that whenever you observe one atom, the super-position collapses instantaneously for both. That means the receiver needs to know that the sender has already measured the atom on the sending end before observing their atom on the receiving end, this would have to be done by a standard, non-FTL signal. You also have the problem of not being able to collapse the super-position into a specific value (say 0 or 1), so while the receiver would know what state the sender's atom is in, that state is a random value (0 or 1), so no data is actually conveyed.
The first problem may be overcome with some time-based scheme, where the sender and receiver have syncronized clocks, and have agreed at what time the sender will measure his atom. The problem with random waveform collapse, however, would be harder to overcome, though I think the quantum computers in recent articles have managed to make it slightly less-random.
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