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Vanishing Honeybees Will Affect Future Crops

daninbusiness writes "Across the US, beekeepers are finding that their bees are disappearing — not returning while searching for nectar and pollen. This could have a major impact on the food industry in the United States, where as much as $14 billion worth of agriculture business depends on bees for crop pollination. Reasons for this problem, dubbed 'colony collapse disorder,' are still unknown. Theories include viruses, some type of fungus, poor bee nutrition, and pesticides."

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  1. Damn birds by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously it is the resurgence in bird populations that is killing the bees.

    We have to bring back DDT.

    This is simply a matter of the birds and the bees.

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    1. Re:Damn birds by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bees get on my chimes anyway. The fuckers always want to sting me.

      Have you considered wearing pants?

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  2. please... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh please. Like bees have anything to do with crop production...What are these so-called "scientists" going to try to convince us of next?

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    1. Re:please... by CaseyG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope you have learned from this that there can be no sarcasm so obvious that it will not be taken seriously.

        -c.

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  3. They're heading back.. by bagboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    across the border into Mexico.... They heard the pollen there is sweeter and more abundant.. Plus they can get health care for free..

  4. It sucks. by frakir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Albert Einstein's: "if bees were to disappear, man would only have a few years to live".
    Bees pollinate about 60% of crops in US and Europe. Note that exact same disappearing colonies fenomenon happens in Portugal and Poland.
    We are doomed.

    1. Re:It sucks. by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well yeah, everyone knows spelling bees are the phirst to go...
      wait, phirst? Uh, oh...

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  5. American honeybees... by zstlaw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why would they come back? Chinese and Indian honeybees do it cheaper. Rather than wait for their jobs to be outsourced, American honeybees are moving on to greener pastures.

    1. Re:American honeybees... by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So are you proposing bringing in a bunch of Chinese and Indian bees under an H1-Bee visa or something?

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    2. Re:American honeybees... by superstick58 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe the legal term is "H1-Beesa."

    3. Re:American honeybees... by georgewad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's not bring Jar-Jar in to this.

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    4. Re:American honeybees... by theEteam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It very well may be Russian bees... from http://urbansurvival.com/nl20070224a.htm: (Saturday Feb 24th) Bee Story
      The collapse of bee colonies has something to do with Russia? Well, here's an email to ponder from a bee-keeping reader: "Hello George, Just a comment on the honey bee problems in the US. I agree that genetically modified plant-life may be causing many problems for the bee population. There is also another possible cause that non-beekeepers probably wouldn't know about. Over the years the honey bee population in the US has been greatly reduced due to attacks of Tracheal mites, Varroa mites, and Hive beetles. Two years ago, in an effort to replenish the bee supply, the government introduced a program to give away "Russian" honeybees. In the US, most beekeepers keep "Italian" honeybees. The "Russian" bees were supposed to be more resistant to the Varroa mites. The original deal was that selected beekeepers would receive (free-of-charge) 2 packages of "Russian" bees and 2 hives. In exchange the beekeepers agreed to not sell the hives for 3 years and to allow regular inspections by government officials. Due to an overwhelming response by beekeepers the deal was later changed to 1 hive of "Russian" and 1 hive of "Italian" bees. I did not take part in the program but I did keep watch on the results in my state. Within the first year (2005) all 250 hives of "Russian" bees that were introduced into this state were dead. I personally know two beekeepers who took part in the program. By the end to 2006, one had lost 43 hives to "Colony Collapse", the other had lost 200 hives (his entire operation) to "Colony Collapse" I don't know if there is a connection or just a horrible coincidence but perhaps the plants aren't the only things being "modified".

  6. I think it's pretty clear what happened here. by mikkelm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clearly the introduction of Africanised bees resulted in some sort of bee-AIDS epidemic.

    Those promiscuous pollen pilfering pests!

  7. Children have little fingers by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    We could put them to work in the fields, pollinating plants. Feed them enough sugar and they'd even buzz around like bees.

    You people worry to much. No matter how much we fuck things up, we'll always find a way to fix it that doesn't hurt anyone that matters.

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    1. Re:Children have little fingers by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't matter you insensitive clod!

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    2. Re:Children have little fingers by LoveGoblin · · Score: 2, Funny
      You know the old joke about how you owe me a cup of coffee because your comment made me laugh and my coffee spewed out my nose?

      You owe me a slice of pizza.

  8. It's obvious. by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

    This whole "No Drone Left Behind" thing is a failure. The bees are heading out of the country for better educations, free health care and fewer 'reality' programs on the tele.

  9. It's a conspiracy! by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, really. The bees are being captured by the government and kept in secret facilities where they are pollinating a secret genetically engineered type of plant, which causes them to become carriers of the smallpox virus and be more aggressive. The bees are then used to spread smallpox where needed, without causing an immediate biological warfare panic.

    That's why the bees are disappearing from private bee farms.

  10. That non-registration link didn't work too well. by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative
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  11. Traveling hives by John+Jamieson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it difficult believe that roving hives are still allowed. Sure it saves a bit of cash, but the potential effect it has on the spread of disease and parasites(that afflict bee's) should not be overlooked.

    Again, we sell of future potential for short term gain.

  12. Re:It's Global Warming! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know you're joking, but a slightly warmer climate definitely can impact susceptibility to fungal infections, etc.

    I kept bees for quite a few years (in NJ) but stopped because of a mite that destroyed my colonies. My last extraction (in 2001) produced less than six pounds from each super, I had been getting 22-25 pounds in the early 90s. The Beekeepers Quarterly had an article at the time suggesting that the red mite was limited in it's northern expansion due to temperature, but that a succession of a few warm winters allowed it to reach nearly all the continental US -- only a harsh winter will kick it back down south.

    None of this, by the way, provides any insight into why a slashdotter would keep bees, which is a mystery better left unexplored.

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  13. Obligatory Simpsons quotation by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Beekeeper 1: Well, sure is quiet in here today.
    Beekeeper 2: Yes, a little too quiet, if you know what I mean.
    Beekeeper 1: Hmm...I'm afraid I don't.
    Beekeeper 2: You see, bees usually make a lot of noise. No noise --
                              suggests no bees!
    Beekeeper 1: Oh, I understand now. Oh look, there goes one now.
    Beekeeper 2: To the Beemobile!
    Beekeeper 1: You mean your Chevy?
    Beekeeper 2: Yes.

  14. Re:It's Global Warming! by bladesjester · · Score: 2, Insightful

    None of this, by the way, provides any insight into why a slashdotter would keep bees, which is a mystery better left unexplored.

    Because honey in the comb is a wonderful thing? There were beehives on my family's farm when I was a kid.

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  15. I realize that this post is supposed to be a joke by Ynsats · · Score: 3, Informative

    Like most of the un-funny posts to this article already. However, you managed to hit on something that it seems the article missed. Africanized (Killer) Bees have been a problem reported by bee keeps over much of the southern United States for over a decade now and the problem seems to creep farther north every year.

    The problem stems from the Killer Bees infiltrating a colony of another type of bee and wiping out the colony. Since the killer bees do exhibit the same food gathering and other critical behaviors to pollination, the lost colonys have a bigger impact. I can see the fungus, virus, pesticide and other aspects causing problems in climates farther north but I would not doubt that Killer Bees could be a large contributing factor to this problem.

    It may seem silly but it is a critically important roll that the bees have to crop production. Many grains and vegetables do not require external pollination to produce a crop but there are plenty of other fruit and vegetable crops out there that do. The crops may not go away completely because bees are not the only way they are pollinated but they are one of the most efficient ways.

  16. Inbreeding by zakarria · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is what you get when you breed monocultures of plants or animals. A single disease or problem that wipes out your entire supply. Trying to determine the specific cause is all well and good, but ultimately somewhat beside the point. If we don't want to have this kind of problem we need to purposefully breed for biodiversity so that one pathogen is less likely to destroy an entire industry. I sincerely hope the entire agricultural industry, and others, really comprehend what it is they should be learning from this and change their priorities a bit before the same thing hits say, the entire corn supply.

  17. Humor? by Wilson_6500 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's interesting to look at how many of the above responses are lame/decent attempts at humor.

    Is this because there's nothing in the article for us to all argue about, or because everyone thinks this is funny? What if herds of cattle started vanishing mysteriously out of fields, or cell colonies for research mysteriously all started to plate really poorly?

    Maybe the topic just lends itself to jokes--I had to try pretty hard to not make a cattle abduction joke up there.

    1. Re:Humor? by dave562 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's interesting to look at how many of the above responses are lame/decent attempts at humor. Is this because there's nothing in the article for us to all argue about, or because everyone thinks this is funny?

      When a superior man hears of the Tao,

      he immediately begins to embody it.

      When an average man hears of the Tao,

      he half believes it, half doubts it.

      When a foolish man hears of the Tao,

      he laughs out loud.

      If he didn't laugh,

      it wouldn't be the Tao.

    2. Re:Humor? by merreborn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's interesting to look at how many of the above responses are lame/decent attempts at humor.

      Is this because there's nothing in the article for us to all argue about, or because everyone thinks this is funny?


      This is slashdot.org, not beedot.org. There aren't many people here with knowledge of the beekeeping industry. If this was about CPU fabrication, you'd see a thread full of detailed discussion on operations per cycle and whatever else.

      Instead, it's bees, so all we can do is crack bee jokes. Lack of knowledge => lack of insightful commentary.
    3. Re:Humor? by complexmath · · Score: 4, Funny

      When a pompous man hears a question, he replies with a non sequitur?

  18. Re:It's Global Warming! by dave562 · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Beekeepers Quarterly had an article at the time suggesting that the red mite was limited in it's northern expansion due to temperature, but that a succession of a few warm winters allowed it to reach nearly all the continental US -- only a harsh winter will kick it back down south.

    I read an article about a similar scenario that is happening in Colorado. Some species of beatle is eating the redwoods. In the past it wasn't as big of a deal because the frost would come through every winter and kill the bastards off. These days it doesn't get cold enough to kill them so they are just laying waste to huge swaths of the forest. =(

  19. Re:Bee Monoculture by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Um, not really. A typical independant bee keeper makes around $30k per year. Honey prices have bottomed out due to cheap foreign imports and the cost of keeping bees has tripled over the last several years. Now that hives are disappearing, I'm sure that prices will rise (supply/demand and all that). But I think your free-market jab is unfounded, at least in this case.

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  20. A proven cause of the decline in Europe by Toffins · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Giant Asian Hornets arrived in Europe in 2004 and are voracious predators of honeybees and wasps. There were two colonies of wasps in my family's house's roof space in summer 2005. In mid August, we suddenly started seeing giant hornets entering our house in the evenings after dusk (they have excellent night vision). I captured one in a glass jar to get rid of it and put it outside and measured its body length as 5.5cm. I killed another one that started hitting on my wife for no apparent reason. It was certainly a hornet. I also saw them entering the roof space through gaps next to the guttering. One week later both of the wasp nests were completely empty of life and we also saw no more hornets in the house that summer. A local entomologist said the hornets had eaten the wasps and then left in search of more food. Contrary to what the article says, I can confirm from personal experience that they do have a heck of a sting (in addition to a painful bite). Keep well away from these critters!

  21. Scientists? by encoderer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Scientists? Please.

    These are the people who don't believe in the book of Genesis, for chrissake.

    <cite: bill maher>

  22. Re:I realize that this post is supposed to be a jo by LordPhantom · · Score: 3, Funny

    It may seem silly but it is a critically important roll that the bees have to crop production.
    It's not silly at all! I, like you, believe in the great insectoid pastry from whence all food production pours forth!

  23. Re:lifestyle by Xonstantine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What does it say about our current lifestyle when even the bees are over stressed?

    It says some people don't wait for the investigation or the science to start before they pronounce a verdict. The idea is more or less "Behind every bad thing happening in the world, the US must be responsible for it, and if not the US, then surely humanity." I'm not sure this says anything about our current lifestyle, considering the research and investigation has barely begun. But don't let that stop you from rushing out to make a conclusion.

  24. Enough with the global warming... by suitepotato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The scientific evidence not to mention the history of man long long long before industry shows conclusively that Earth has been much warmer in the past and also much colder. It has had varying cycles since long before we got here and it will be varying long after we get hit by a car while admiring our digital watches.

    Whether or not we arrived on Earth, it was DEFINITELY going to get warmer than even now, and it was going to do it right around now, then go into another glacial. The Earth hasn't been Mayberry RFD for all eternity until we showed up.

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  25. 80% die-off due to beetles by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No kidding colorado and New Mexico are being ravaged by bark beetles. Outside my window the entire canyon is 80% dead trees. I'm not exagerating. that's the official figure. It's expected many ski areas in colorado will be baren within the decade. he last few winter cycles have not been cold enough. On the flip side, the birds look chubbier. But they will leave when the trees are all gone. And after all the trees fall over in ten years the rocky baren mountain sides will look handsome. Right now they look uggly with all the black limbess sticks.

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  26. Re:It's Global Warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Its all that Norwegian Wood.

  27. Some species do benefit ... by jc42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here in New England, one of the effects of the loss of honeybees has been a very visible recovery of native pollinators. At least it's visible if you have a garden and pay attention to what's happening there. In our yard, we've seen a huge increase in the number of bumblebees over the past few years. We used to see only a few per day; now in the summer you can almost always see several at a time. Of course, you don't get a whole lot of honey from a bumblebee's nest.

    Anyway, the local wildlife people have long considered the honeybee an alien invader, much like English sparrows and starlings. They were introduced to North America by humans, and have crowded out many native species.

    The natives are doing much better with the honeybees mostly gone. Now if we could find something that kills off English sparrows and starlings in large numbers. Honeybees at least provide honey, but nobody can think of anything that those two kinds of birds are good for.

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    1. Re:Some species do benefit ... by jc42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are several similar stories in the US. Some cities have found the hard way that eliminating various "pest" species, including pigeons and rats, leads to huge increases in the insects that eat the garbage that those species had been hogging for themselves. If you want to clean up such pests, you need to also clean up all the garbage. Pigeons and rats are actually much better at this than humans.

      There was also a story some years back about a farming area in California where the people decided to eradicate "vermin", which included skunks and foxes. They succeeded so well that the area was overrun with mice. It got so bad that people had trouble driving down the roads due to the slippery surface caused by all the squashed mice. When the story was written up, people from all over started offering to trap some of their local skunks and foxes and ship them out to control the mice. The folks there weren't too amused by these gracious offers.

      In our area (the western suburbs of Boston), a few years ago there was a heavy outbreak of lawn grubs that devastated most of the lawns. We and a few neighbors didn't have any problems, though. We refused to spray our lawns, and we have woods nearby. We started meeting skunks when we came home an night, and we also saw a lot of small "divots" where the skunks had dug up grubs. We pressed the dug-up grass back in the hole, and everything was fine.

      We did have a couple of incidents in which a young skunk claimed our back yard as his territory, and threatened us when we came home at night. But we found that we could calmly explain to him that it was ok; we were just going into the house. He reacted by slowly walking away, while keeping a careful eye on us.

      We didn't have any mice in the house that year, either.

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  28. Re:It's Global Warming! by gurudyne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read an article about a similar scenario that is happening in Colorado. Some species of beatle is eating the redwoods.

    Redwoods? In Colorado? Redwoods in California/Oregon I would believe. Reddish somethings in Colorado I would believe, but not redwoods.

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  29. Small Hive Beetles and Varroa mites by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My dad is was a bee-keeper as part of his duties as a park ranger and the bee populations have been dwindling like crazy here in the Southeast USA. The Varroa are bad, but today the main culprit seems to be Small Hive Beetles putting stress on the hives. They are absolutely devastating the bee industry here in the south, and it looks like they are going to take over the whole country. We tried to set my dad up with an apiary at home and we got everything set up, the hive, the supers, and ordered the bees. When they arrived, it was not even two minutes -- literally two minutes -- before the first beetles showed up and they just kept on coming. Their ability to find bees is uncanny. We tried many things to stop them or slow them down but needless to say, the colony gave up in the first few weeks. Heartbreaking.

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  30. Re:I realize that this post is supposed to be a jo by superstick58 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, Africanized Bees can be a benefit to the overall Bee productivity. They tend to be more productive in areas with proper climate (warm, and lots of rain). Many places have learned to breed the Africanized bees into gentler colonies that are manageable. Once the bees are bred to a manageable state, the output from the colony can be better than the original European bees. They have after all been doing it in Africa for quite a while, why not in other continents too?

  31. Simpler explanations for bee losses .... by waterbear · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, as another /.er who used to keep bees, I could point to some possible explanations that are simpler too:

    Hive-based diseases such as mites and fungi tend to kill bees in and around the hive.

    One common cause of bees failing to return home after foraging is poisoning by recently-applied pesticides. It's not pesticide use in general that's responsible, it happens more when a farmer applies pesticide close to when a crop is in bloom and attracting the bees.
    For just this reason, some agricultural pesticides come with instructions not to apply them within a window of time related to crop blooming, but like many instructions, users do not always read and follow them. If there is a new pesticide around, or a new fashion for how to apply an existing one, this could have big consequences for bee mortality.

    Then again, if the bees are not dying, but just not returning, this could be behavior based on the strain of bees. It could follow a change in strain chosen by large-scale bee-breeders and beekeepers. Colonies of some strains are bad at staying put in their hive, they tend to abscond, ie relocate, specially when short of stores and brood. Absconding is a bit different than swarming, where a nucleus of bees is left behind to carry on the old colony. Africanized bees, for example, are known as bad absconders as well as swarmers.

    -wb-

    1. Re:Simpler explanations for bee losses .... by smokin_juan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK, this explanation may not be simple, but I'm putting it out here anyways because it includes factors that make an interesting story.

      You need to read at least 1/2 way through that article to get to the interesting stuff, but it basically says that radio waves in the 250Hz range will misdirect the navigational function of bees. It talks about Russian bee studies and and the possibility of foul play by said Russians with mind control devices (250Hz also causes agitation in humans) and the like.

      Though that explanation is satisfying to me I'm sure there are people out there that would instantly deem this a conspiracy theory and reject it out of hand. In order to thwart those attempts I'll include a second theory - 240Hz is a subharmonic of our 60Hz power system and as electrical consumption increases so do the electromagnetic fields produced by the system... i.e. we've reached the consumption point of overhead power transmission that generates enough EM to dislocate the bees.

      If you'd like to keep bees you'll need a bigger Faraday cage.

  32. Crystal honeycomb... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny
    Across the US, beekeepers are finding that their bees are disappearing -- not returning while searching for nectar and pollen.

    That explains the crystal honeycomb I received in the mail last week. It was engraved, "So long and thanks for all the flowers."

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  33. Re:It's Global Warming! by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These days it doesn't get cold enough to kill them so they are just laying waste to huge swaths of the forest. =(

    I know it is offtopic, but the same thing was happening in East Texas. The pine beetle was devastating the forests there. However, a control method was found that stopped the problem cold. Whenever you found a tree that was infected, you cut the tree down. Unfortunately, the Clinton administration banned cutting down tree on national forests to prevent logging. While his intentions were well meaning, it ended up destroying forests. Like in the west where forest fires had no breaks to stop them, the pine beetle wiped out many national forests in East Texas. It was almost humorous to be driving along and see an empty field surrounded by wooded areas. I asked my uncle what happened and he told that the clear area was a national land while the area around it was privately owned. The private owners would spot the infected trees and cut them down, but since that was illegal in the national forest, the whole plot was wiped out.

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  34. Valinor by woozlewuzzle · · Score: 2, Funny

    They are departing these shores forever. They are traveling to the Grey Havens, never to be seen in Middle Earth again.

    Oh, bees.

    nevermind.

  35. Re:Bee Monoculture by Incadenza · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is a perfect example of the utter and complete failure of the American free-market mantra. A select few people raising bees were made richer with no economic consideration for the risk to the food production chain by adopting a bee mono-culture. Now what?

    Well, build your own.

    Doesn't work only for software you know. Just google for mason bee housing and build your own genetic diversity tool from that old piece of wood you've got laying around anyway. And save the planet.

  36. Re:It's Global Warming! by spun · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wait a minute - you can see space and time?

    Sure, and with a little ayahuasca, so can you. Just watch out for the self-transforming machine elves.

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  37. Re:It's Global Warming! by Plunky · · Score: 2, Funny

    It was also nice to have some 350 odd acres to play on as a kid.
    what was odd about them, did it affect your development?
  38. Re:Could it be Bt Corn? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    BT corn is only going to kill caterpillars (corn earworms), not bees.

    I am very much against the use of genetically modified corn, in large part because it's likely to render one of the best weapons in an organic gardener's (or farmer's) arsenal ineffective with a decade. But the bacterium is specific to one particular family of pests - bees will not be affected by this.

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  39. Re:It's Global Warming! by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've bookmarked your link.

    I'm a big fan of the hugely bold honeys, like buckwheat -- sick of the watered-down tasting almond honey in the supermarkets.

    Blueberry is also a big one in NJ, nice flavor.

    I've a few friends in Connecticut who brew nice strong ales, they like using my buckwheat honey just before bottling for a little extra bottle fermentation. As soon as they figure out that it's more than twice as potent as sugar, they'll get the carbonation under control and win some of those contests they've been entering.

    Thinking of a buckwheat honey porter for next Christmas...

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  40. Re:So Are Africanized bees affected too? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So if the Africanized Bees are also effected, the it definitely is not Global Warming.
    Yes, Africanized bees are affected. However, I think you miss the point, there are two factors at work.

    Yes, Africanized bees are more heat-tolerant. The red mites are one of the factors limiting their penetration into most of the US. However, non-Africanized bees in colder climates are also affected by the red mites -- and a streak of warm winters means these bees are having more problems with the mites. It just so happens that Africanized bees and red mites are two species affected by the climate.

    That said, the problems I experienced with mites likely has nothing specific to do with the subject of TFA -- it's just an example of how climate change can affect species viability.
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  41. GMO! by cluckshot · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is the GMO's. Sorry for those who think that it isn't so. There is a 1:1 correspondence. The gene that makes cotton and other crops resistant to pests also infects their pollen and nectar. The result is that after a bee has taken its fill of nectar, it succumbs to the poison in the nectar. As such a crop bees that goes for the pollen and nectar of such a GMO crop is doomed. The French are RIGHT!

    This is another in the long line of accomplishments of the GMO people. Unintended consequences of their actions bring real problems. The GMO people always deny these problems. For example, they told farmers that weeds were the problem with their crops and the roundup resistance gene was used to end weeds all together. It worked too! But with the weeds gone there was nothing to prevent soil erosion in the winter. So the farmers in my area now have to plant winter wheat to protect their soil and then kill it when the drill in their other crops in the spring. In the mean time the cost of cotton dropped by nearly 2/3 of the total price resulting in farmers being hardly able to make any money. Their machinery and loans and GMO payments became their slave masters. This stuff of playing with mother nature isn't exactly working out like the economics professors said it would.

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    1. Re:GMO! by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I do think the GMO theory deserves a very serious look. GMO have been known to cause problems for butterflys: http://www.netlink.de/gen/Zeitung/2000/000919.html .

      GMO organisms are artificial. These are DNA sequences and protiens that have been created in a way they never would have been in nature. Perhaps nature has a way of coding DNA in certain manners, and perhaps there are complex interdependancies between genes we dont know about, where if one gene is altered, it may have implications throughout the organism. Scientists claim to know what genes do, but they only know the tip of the iceberg, a gene may have numerous additional functions that they have no idea about.

      It could be that GMOs are fundamentally different in someway from natural food that makes them difficult to digest. Perhaps it causes a weakening of bee colonies.

      bees, humans, and so on have evolved for millions of years eating natural foods with DNA produces through natural processes. The further we get from those natural nutrition sources that are body is equipped to handle, the less efficiently your body may be able to use those foods. GMO food is unnatural food that has an unacceptably high risk. Usually i say it should be the choice of the consumer. This is so with food colours and additives. However, GMOs by their nature can contaminate non GMO crops where they are not wanted, endangering consumer choice and our right to whole, natural, and healthy foods. I do think GMOs should be banned for this reason, and the fact that non-GMO foods are natural and what we have been eating for millions of years.

    2. Re:GMO! by tabrnaker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, you really don't know how to read. Yes, the pollen is toxic, the page you linked doesn't deny that. In this situation we're talking about bees that intentionaly go around rolling in pollen, toxic levels would build up quickly. Learn some logical reasoning.

    3. Re:GMO! by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 2, Informative

      bees, humans, and so on have evolved for millions of years eating natural foods with DNA produces through natural processes. The further we get from those natural nutrition sources that are body is equipped to handle, the less efficiently your body may be able to use those foods.

      You don't even need to artificially modify the genome, to encounter ill effects from eating non-natural "foods."

      HFCS (high-fructose corn syrup) could not be part of a genuinely natural diet, because it relies on an abundance of what we might falsely consider "natural" corn. This corn actually has been selectively bred for centuries to produce bigger and more sugar-laden varieties. And even with current varieties of corn, HFCS could not be produced in sufficiently large quantities, nor at sufficiently low cost, to compete with natural sources of sugar, except for the fact that it is highly subsidized by the GOP in exchange for the latter's near-dominance over the politics of agricultural states.

      But HFCS contains high levels of fructose, which, unlike other sugars, suppresses the production of a key hormone called leptin, which regulates appetite. This is currently believed to account for a significant portion of the increase in obesity of Americans, both relative to people elsewhere in the world, and also relative to previous generations of Americans.

      Our species f*cks with nature quite a bit. Mostly this is to our benefit . . . but not always. We should be much more careful about introducing rapid changes into environments we do not fully understand. And I say this even as an anarcho-capitalist. I don't believe in government solutions to private problems - or any other problems - but I also don't believe in doing f*cked-up experiments that affect the lives or property of other people without their consent. On that basis, I believe that GMO "food" should be clearly labeled as such, and should be grown in such a way that it cannot "accidentally" contaminate non-GMO crops. And agricultural should be neither subsidized nor taxed; markets should decide what is produced, when, and by whom. One result would be the eventual recovery of the miserable economy of Africa, which has been hurt greatly by agricultural subsidies in the developed world (especially the U.S.).