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PS3's New Back-Compat Limit Outlined

We spoke last week about the EU version of the PS3 having a more limited backwards compatibility offering than its US and Japanese cousins. Now, via Gamespot, Sony's Phil Harrison has clarified what kind of support the machine will be offering. His comments in an interview on the 'semi-official' ThreeSpeech blog state that emulation of the PS2 won't be a huge barrier to backwards compatibility. "Our thinking involves being able to bring the latest hardware specification of the PS3 to Europe, although that does mean an initial slight reduction in the number of PS2 components. But it's important to put that into context: there will still be thousands of PlayStation and PlayStation 2 titles playable on the PS3 at launch ... The situation is changing every day, but on March 23, we expect the list to include over 1,000 PS2 titles." Harrison goes on to say that they'd likely be concentrating on 'big' titles, and that they generally don't consider back-compat very important in the grand scheme of things; in their view people buy the PS3 for new games, not old ones. If you haven't had a chance to read it yet, there's an opinion piece over at Next-Gen that completely agrees with Harrison's statement. Colin Campbell penned a missive entitled 'Why Sony is Right', and lays out what backwards compatibility looks great on the side of a box, but just isn't that big a deal.

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  1. Could be great news ... by Brigade · · Score: 4, Funny

    As long as I can still play my PS2 Barbie Horse Adventures .. then I'm sold!

  2. PlayStation consoles break. by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sony stopped making the PSone. Sony is expected to stop making the PlayStation 2 Slimline before the PS4 comes out. So after the optical drives in existing PS1 and PS2 units wear out, what are players supposed to use?

    1. Re:PlayStation consoles break. by despisethesun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see you've never owned a PS2.

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  3. When do we decide? by Quaz+and+Wally · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Final thought - it would be fascinating to see a commercial test of consumers having to actually pay for BC. Having forked out a significant amount of income for the hardware, how many would pay an extra $30 or so to play all their PS2 games?
    I'm sure many people would have liked to have paid $30 dollars less for a PS3 with no backwards compatibility. The question is, why is Europe paying more instead?

    At least to my knowledge, I haven't heard of the EU PS3 being cheaper, but rather more expensive.
    1. Re:When do we decide? by Volante3192 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      $30 bucks is nothing compared to another $120 PS2 when it breaks. My former roommate was always playing PS1 games on his PS2, it was like half and half. I camped out for the Wii basically because I was getting a Gamecube (a $100 piece of hardware) at the same time and currently been playing a lot of GCN games I missed out on because I didn't have one.

      Plus without backwards compat, you would need to keep both consoles hooked up or swap cables out. One box is just one set of cables and cuts down on the clutter.

      It might not *seem* like a selling factor to analysts, but real people have different ideas.

    2. Re:When do we decide? by Applekid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, I'm sure many people would have liked to pay $11 more for a Ford Pinto that didn't pose as big a risk of a fiery death, but hey, apparently, you can't please everyone.

      Wow, I'm going to pretend you didn't just compare not being able to play an old version of Madden on your new PS3 to people burning to death in a firey inferno. Instead, I'll pretend your post is about a Genesis that you could buy an adaptor for that would let it play Master System games.

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  4. As a PS3 owner by fistfullast33l · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm going to say this is a big deal in the short run, but not a big deal in the long run. In two years the library will be large enough for the PS3 that few people will be using their PS2 games that much. Right now, however, the library is much smaller and so PS2 games definitely substitute for that lack of games. I myself have bought a few (I didn't own a PS2) since getting the PS3 and have had no problems since the 1.5 update.

    I'll temper the statement with the fact that a lot of great games are coming out in the next two months or so, including Motorstorm, Enchanted Arms, MLB 07 The Show, and Lair. That's coupled with the two fighting games that just came out and older games like Oblivion and FEAR, neither of which I've played for various reasons. So this might not be as important right now as I think.

  5. Re:BC = good for gamers, bad for companies. by HappySqurriel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not everyone rushes to buy a new videogame system in its first 2 years ...

    For third party publishers backwards compatibility is a huge feature because it means that it is safe for them to begin working on a title for the previous generation system even after the next generation hardware has been released. If you were 3 of 24 months into the development of a PS2 title today you'd be very upset if you found out that Sony's PS2 Backwards compatibility strategy was not going to allow your game to run perfectly on a PS3.

  6. PS3 for those of us who missed the PS2 boat by Golden+Gecko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I never had a PS2, and since none of the launch titles appealed to me I've been using my PS3 almost exclusively for PS2 games. I'm actually quite happy playing "old" games like DQ8 and FF XII that I've never had a chance to play before.

    The PS2 compatibility was a huge selling point for me.

    1. Re:PS3 for those of us who missed the PS2 boat by Floritard · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was initially an incentive for me as well (still haven't had 600 bucks just lying around unused, but here's hoping). I sold my ps2 a while back for an xbox (mistake), and missed a bunch of cool sony ps2 titles I've been meaning to go back to with the ps3. WTF is going on with new system launches anyway? There was a time not long ago when you didn't release a new system without a solid set of launch titles -- to, you know, give the consumer an actual reason to purchase your silly machine. Super Mario Brothers made me a gamer -- launch title. Pilot Wings was one of the best games ever released on SNES -- launch title! Now new machines rest on brand name and mere promises of future software. That's stupid, you wouldn't have bought into dvd-players without great dvd titles already available would you? This has been pissing me off more and more lately. I still haven't got a next-gen system because there are no killer apps yet for any of them! The nominally innovative, mostly derivative Gears of War would be a B-list title if the 360 had anything truly worth mentioning (wtf are they doing launching this system without a finished Halo). The ps2 lineup is a joke (in that I can't even think of anything exciting for it atm or even on the horizon, can you?). Wii's best title seems to be that Zelda Twilight Princess game (a port of a gamecube title!).

      In fact, now that I think about it, my rational wrt next-gen seems to be this: I'd like a Wii because it's affordable and the games I can imagine with that controller really excite me, and I'd like a ps3 (if I ever have the discretionary income on hand) because Sony, like Nintendo, has proven to be a great first-party developer in the past with the ps2. I'll eventually get a 360 because MS has juked sony into really fucking themselves up and john-q's limited attention span has caused a hemhorraging installed base of 360s (with no real merit on current software IMHO) and developers will have to make money somewhere, so they'll support the great satan of MS (c'mon, do you really want MS to have this much control over the game industry with the doomsday twins of 360 and vista dx10?). See how this is all speculation and has nothing to do with the software which is actually extant in each system's respective lineup? That's fucking sad.

      If this is what we can expect from system launches, backwards compatibility is more important than it has ever been in the past. The overlap of last-minute, high-quality "last-gen" titles being developed a little past the lifespan of their target machine can ease the incredible dearth of next-gen launch titles. If they keep screwing the launches people are going to start losing interest in this bloated industry (I've been a hardcore gamer for years, and I'm actually starting to grow out of it, gasp!). Didn't the video game crash of the 80's happen when the software started to tank? See a pattern here?

      ps. I should have realized things were rotten in this industry when E3 became more about the titties and less about the software. Yes I know there were always titties, but there were great games at some point as well.

  7. Fine with me. by Ant+P. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll just stick to the console I bought last year, which plays my last-gen games just fine.

  8. Even with the PS2 hardware inside... by southk · · Score: 3, Informative

    The backwards compatibility of the PS3 is completely lacking.
    Most PS2 games make use of the rumble feature of the dualshock controller as a part of the gaming experience. And until the PS3 has a method of using the old controller with the old games you will be missing out on that experience, when you play your PS2 games on your PS3.

  9. Re:1000+ Titles? by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's roughly 8000 titles in the PS2 catalog. So, a 12.5% BC rate. Great job, Sony.

  10. Kettle Pot by xswl0931 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having backwards compatability is a nice bullet point, but I don't think it's a major factor anymore. The only irony here is that when the 360 was first launched, Sony was making fun of the 360 for not providing full backwards compatability as it was based on software emulation and the PS3 had an edge with hardware emulation support, yet Sony is now following the 360's lead.

  11. Re:BC = good for gamers, bad for companies. by Dreamlandlocal · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...other than Microsoft and Nintendo playing "me too" against the PS2's backward compatibility...

    Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but, I thought Nintendo announced their BC first and then Sony and MS followed suite. Certainly in terms of implementation, the Wii has done BC considerably better than the other two.

    Now perhaps the Wii is really just a GCN 1.5 still...

  12. Re:Region lockout by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 3, Informative
    From Wikipedia:
    By the end of September 2006, there were 8,181 PS2 titles released worldwide (4,554 in Asia, 1,319 in North America, and 2,308 in Europe).

    1000/2308=43%

    Spin this however you'd like, but that's still not impressive.

  13. Well this is certainly a huge deal to me by Sarusa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IMO the PS2 has the best games library ever (and yes, I go way back so I'm including NES, SNES, Genesis, etc). Until (if) the PS3 games library is so superior to the PS2 library that you'll never want to play one of those great old PS2 games, backwards compatibility is hugely important. It sucks that I have to keep an XBox 360 /and/ an XBox so I can play games like Panzer Dragoon Orta. It'll suck just as hard to have to have a PS2 and a PS3.

    Furthermore, since the PS3 game library is so sad on its own, without the added weight of 'Well I can play my PS2 games on it, so what the hell' goes out the door. It is a great selling point this early in the system's life, even if 5 years down the road nobody will care.

    [conspiracy theory on] Maybe leaking this is a desperate attempt to get first gen PS3s off the shelves so they don't embarrass Tretton any more. Suddenly they're much more desirable. [/conspiracy]

  14. Re:It's not always going to be 1000 games by Have+Blue · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sony will be constantly upgrading the software emulation

    it's a hell of a lot better than the XBox 360's backwards compatibility

    Actually, it's exactly identical to the Xbox 360's backwards compatibility.