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iPods to be Used as Flight Data Recorders

udamahan writes "Flight Global reports small aircraft manufacturer LoPresti is introducing a system that uses an iPod as a flight data recorder. The company states that they chose the iPod for its size, low power requirements, and the 'thousands of developers passionate about writing applications for the iPod.' The article notes that data recorders are typically used for maintenance, flight/safety analysis, or, assuming proper protection, crash investigation."

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  1. Shocking... by arlo5724 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmmm, not so sure if I like the sounds of this. I broke an iPod by dropping it about 4 feet, I can only imagine how one will fare after plummeting 30,000...

    1. Re:Shocking... by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not how far it falls, it's how much shock it takes at the end. Doesn't take much high-density foam to trim the impact shock to something the drive can tolerate. Surviving a fire, on the other hand...

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    2. Re:Shocking... by Konster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just throw it out of the plane before it crashes, no need to worry about fire then.

    3. Re:Shocking... by imdx80 · · Score: 4, Funny

      and now the new shuffles make sense

    4. Re:Shocking... by jimmydevice · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think most pre-"air accident victims" are too busy doing the "life flashing before their eyes" thing to remember to save the data for the FAA's post crash analysis. Most programmers have problems doing backups after a 3 day coding marathon when all they're thinking of is beer and sleep.

    5. Re:Shocking... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you can get your single-engine piston aircraft to 30,000 feet, you're doing well. If you ran into problems, you'd have time to phone in the flight data recorder information before you hit the ground...

    6. Re:Shocking... by spagetti_code · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My flash drive says its good for 2000Gs ! I've been wondering how to test that. iPod's flash is probably something similar. It doesn't matter if the circuitry survives, just the flash.

    7. Re:Shocking... by TEMMiNK · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not it breaking we have to worry about, its having to install iTunes on the aircraft's computer systems to use the damn thing!

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    8. Re:Shocking... by PHPfanboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just press f12 to Eject

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    9. Re:Shocking... by Joelfabulous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also, see the Otterbox...

      They say the case they sell is crushproof, waterproof, airtight and they make iPod enclosures.

      www.otterbox.com

      I might buy one eventually because I like listening to music when I swim, and I've heard good things about them. Does anyone know if the iPod stops working at something like 35000 feet or so, and would the container somehow negate this effect? I'm pretty clueless about this stuff, but I assume that case would help somewhat...

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  2. Re:Wow. by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Drops out of your pocket? The damned things break if you drop it IN your pocket!

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  3. In other news... by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Funny

    A commercial airliner has crashed killing all 182 passengers on board as well as 8 flight crew. Investigators have recovered 191 flight recorders.

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  4. It won't break by QueePWNzor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They'll probably secure it properly to avoid something like that. Its size will make that easily possible. Remember inertia? It can't just fly out of where it's held. If the plane crashes, it'll be still where it was attached - just under a bit of rubble.

    1. Re:It won't break by dosquatch · · Score: 3, Funny

      Absolutely! Similarly, the iPods will be programmed to loop "We Built This City" endlessly, virtually guaranteeing that somebody will show up to scream "Turn that crap off!"

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  5. Personal Flight Recorder by tymbow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think they mean to replace the "blackbox" as most people understand it. It is accurately described in TFA as a Personal Flight Recorder. As a (recreational) pilot I can imagine a number of situations where it would be useful to be able to record basic flight data such as altitidue, speed, ground track etc. to look at after a flight.

    1. Re:Personal Flight Recorder by rvw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think they mean to replace the "blackbox" as most people understand it. It is accurately described in TFA as a Personal Flight Recorder. As a (recreational) pilot I can imagine a number of situations where it would be useful to be able to record basic flight data such as altitidue, speed, ground track etc. to look at after a flight. Another thing is that most small airplanes with propeller engines crash at much lower speeds, leaving the plane a lot more intact than the crashes we see on the news. The ipod would therefor have a much bigger chance of surviving a crash.
  6. A whole new meaning... by iliketrash · · Score: 5, Funny

    This brings a whole new meaning to a "disk crash."

  7. And then! by Konster · · Score: 4, Funny

    Flight International is doing a similar thing, but with the Zune, it crashes before the plane does!

  8. Flash drives would be better.. by WarwickRyan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ..as they are virtually indestructable.

    Mine has been dropped, smashed, been through both washing machine and dryer. All with no noticable damage and no dataloss.

    My HDD recorder, on the other hand, was destroyed by a small amount of coca cola :(

    1. Re:Flash drives would be better.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "flying off a lecture room table and hitting the floor two meters below"

      do you go to giant school or something?

  9. Worse still by MountainMan101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    After an accident there will be many people who need to investigate the flight data. How problematic is it going to be that they will only be able to put the data on five computers?

  10. Excellent Idea... by T-Bucket · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sounds like an awesome idea. Chances are it's going to be used more to record normal flight data than for crash investigation. They're not aiming it at airliners. Most small single-engine piston airplanes are simple enough that the reason for the crash can be easily discerned from the wreckage. There aren't 300 redundant systems to go through. It's usually a case of "Hey, look, that piston is poking out through the engine block." or "Hmm, the 100 hour private pilot ran off the runway into a ditch trying to land in a 30kt crosswind". What it'll really be useful for is stuff like engine monitoring and whatnot. One of these reviewed by your mechanic at annual could make his job a LOT easier...

  11. Re:OMG NAME! by deathcow · · Score: 4, Funny

    I prefer "iDead"

  12. What developers? by Ptur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'thousands of developers passionate about writing applications for the iPod.' What developers? At Apple? Or will PortalPlayer *finally* publish its datasheets so others can write code for it too?
  13. See by mastershake_phd · · Score: 3, Funny

    Harrison Ford had it right, the Ipod can be used for data storage. Hollywood hacker movies are right again. One of these days someones going to hack the Gibson.....as soon as they build the Gibson.

  14. Re:Without certification by AlphaOne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    can you hook this thing into the avionics?

    On experimental aircraft, yes. On certified aircraft, no.

    I'm not sure what value would be gained, though... about the best that could be recorded is OBS position and CDI deflection, maybe turn rate and bank angle if the turn coordinator/artificial horizon can provide feedback.

    If the aircraft has a GPS (big if), I guess you could record position and velocity data.

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  15. iPod as a model airplane flight recorder by heroine · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gumstix is a popular flight data recorder for models because it contains the highest computing power in the smallest space, but it's expensive. So could the cheapest $80 iPod be used as a Gumstix replacement? Can a $50 non-iPod mp3 player be used as an embedded computer or does it have to be iPod?

  16. Trouble by TrappedByMyself · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Without fail, my iPod used to die on me every time I flew. 20 minutes into the flight and BAM the drive goes into wacky mode. The unit locks, heats up, makes a sickening grinding noise as the battery quickly drains.

    I finally fixed it by ripping the thing apart and re-seating the drive cable. But still...

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  17. I can see the headlines now... by Hanners1979 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Despite recovering the flight data recorder from the wreckage, the caush of the crash is yet to be established. It has been confirmed however that the pilot was a big Pink Floyd fan"

  18. This wil never work by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Funny


    Won't the iPod disrupt the plane's flight electronics and CAUSE crashes, though? That's why the flight attendants always remind us that the use of portable electronic devices during takeoff and landing is forbidden, right?