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Wednesday Is Pi Day

mrbluze points us to an AP writeup on the upcoming Pi Day — 3-14 (which some will observe at 1:59 pm). The article notes: "[T]he world record [for reciting the number Pi] belongs to Chao Lu, a Chinese chemistry student, who rattled off 67,890 digits over 24 hours in 2005. It took 26 video tapes to submit to Guinness," and mentions in passing a Japanese mental health counselor who last fall recited 100,000 digits, but did not choose to submit proof to the record book.

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  1. I live in Europe by Zouden · · Score: 5, Informative

    So I won't get a Pi day, you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:I live in Europe by Petrushka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure you do. On the 31st of April :-)

    2. Re:I live in Europe by Recurve+Boy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because in most places the numeric form for dates is DD/MM/YY. Not MM/DD/YY.

    3. Re:I live in Europe by i_should_be_working · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah but the basis is wrong. You can't compare hours, days and months to a base 10 system. Real pi day should be (3.14159..)*(365.25/10)=114 (rounding down for effect) = 11th of March. Hey that's yesterday. Happy belated real pi day!

    4. Re:I live in Europe by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Funny

      In that case you'll just have to wait until 3141-5-9

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    5. Re:I live in Europe by pryonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've never understood the logic behind the American way of writing dates. I'm not trying to troll here, it just seems illogical to me.

      Here at my office we use both the European and International numerican dates forms, depending on the sitation:

      European: DD/MM/YYYY
      International: YYYY/MM/DD

      As you can the units of time (days, months, years) ascend or descend in order e.g. in the European format you go from the smallest unit (days) through the midsized (months) up to the largest (years). In the International format the same descends from largest first.

      But with the American format you start with the month, then go to the smallest, then to the largest. It just seems totally illogical to me, anyone know why it's done that way?

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    6. Re:I live in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Europe we can celebrate PI approximation day on 22 July (22/7).

    7. Re:I live in Europe by jrumney · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The same reason an American gallon/pint is not the same as a British gallon and is certainly not metric. Americans just like to do things differently, there need not be any logical justification for it.

    8. Re:I live in Europe by Saib0t · · Score: 5, Informative

      But with the American format you start with the month, then go to the smallest, then to the largest. It just seems totally illogical to me, anyone know why it's done that way?
      Probably because of the way they say the dates, "I have an appointment on March 14th" rather than "I have an appointment on the 14th of March".

      As opposed to, says, french "J'ai un rendez-vous le 14 mars" or spanish "tengo una cita el 14 de marzo". Might be the reason...

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    9. Re:I live in Europe by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it was formed from people who came from Europe. So if you want to point fingers you need only look into a mirror.

      Mmm my first rational thought of 2002... yipee!

      Tom

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    10. Re:I live in Europe by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the French should have persisted with metric dates.

    11. Re:I live in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's to do with the order of the platforms you stand on when you are awarded in some sporting event. The second is to the far left, the first is in the centre, and the third is to the far right.

      Trust Americans to associate everything in life with sport.

      *ducks*

    12. Re:I live in Europe by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... but that Pi day was more than 4 centuries ago: 31.4.1593

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    13. Re:I live in Europe by Raphael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      in a way it's as stupid as listing prices in cents.euros.

      ...or listing domain names as science.slashdot.org instead of the logical order org.slashdot.science.

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    14. Re:I live in Europe by danbert8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The date format MM/DD/YYYY is because of how we say it. Americans (I don't know about elsewhere) when said comes out month, day, year. For example, if on Pi day someone asked me the date, I would say March 14, 2007. Hence why our date abbreviation is in that order. Do people in Europe say the 14th of March when asked?

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    15. Re:I live in Europe by Saib0t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it's more likely that the way it is said is a result of the way it is written, not the other way around...
      Well, I beg to disagree... Speech comes before writing. And before knowing how to spell something, the word has been pronounced. With maybe the exclusion of the "new" language that originates from the internet where no word is spoken but typed.
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    16. Re:I live in Europe by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm certainly no authority on this, but I've noticed that Americans tend to say dates in the form "March 12th, 2007", not "the 12th of March, 2007". That may have something to do with it, or the written form may have influenced the spoken form.

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    17. Re:I live in Europe by Heian-794 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The American way is original, or at least it was what was in use when the American colonies were part of the British empire. Newspapers in the colonies from the late 1700s use "January 1st, 1776" and the like. I couldn't tell you when the UK changed.

      Many US government forms in fact use the DD-MM-YYYY format. If you're flying into the US and are filling out immigration-related forms and hear a muttered curse word followed by the sound of a pen crossing out some numbers at the bottom and rewriting, realize that the person next to you is probably an American who wasn't expecting to have the DD/MM format sprung on them!

    18. Re:I live in Europe by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_date#Middle_ endian_forms.2C_starting_with_the_month

      "Britain originally used day, month, year, then for a short while used month, day, year, and finally reverted to the original form (day, month, year) which was revived around 1900; the USA chose to remain with month, day, year, but did originally use day, month, year as the British did."

      Interesting.

    19. Re:I live in Europe by Asztal_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      No problem, you can celebrate pi day on 31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751 058209749445923078164-06-28 :-)

    20. Re:I live in Europe by kelzer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We can join in, we just need to redefine Pi as 1.43

      Well, if you'd be willing to take King George off our hands, he's become quite good at redefining science, so I'm sure he could make that change for you.

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  2. To Celebrate.... by inklein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And of course, the best way to celebrate is to eat PIE!

    1. Re:To Celebrate.... by cabinetsoft · · Score: 5, Funny

      And of course, the best way to celebrate is to eat PIE!

      3.14159265*2.71828183

      That would be the diet version, only 8 significant digits

  3. Perhaps a typo? by tehSpork · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a Japanese mental health counselor who last fall recited 100,000 digits, but did not choose to submit proof to the record book.

    Shouldn't that read "Mental health patient ?"

    None the less, that is still very impressive. I wish I had a memory for that kind of thing. :)

    1. Re:Perhaps a typo? by neiljt · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wish I had a memory for that kind of thing

      Me too. Then I could use it for something useful.

    2. Re:Perhaps a typo? by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a near photographic memory for every useless trivial fact I come across. But when it comes to actual usefull stuff like math, or anything I'd need for an exam, then I've to do real trouble to actually get it to stick. Sometime I think my brain hates me or something.

    3. Re:Perhaps a typo? by fyonn · · Score: 2, Funny

      None the less, that is still very impressive. I wish I had a memory for that kind of thing

      naah, reciting a milliopns digits of pi is easy. the trick is, not to begin at the beginning....

      dave

    4. Re:Perhaps a typo? by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Informative

      You could try mind maps. They are more visually oriented than traditional note-taking techniques. I often find I can photographically recall parts of my mind maps during exams.

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  4. Crazyness by codeButcher · · Score: 2, Funny

    a Japanese mental health counselor who last fall recited 100,000 digits, but did not choose to submit proof to the record book.

    That's just plain crazy!

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    1. Re:Crazyness by bad_fx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seems quite irrational to me.

    2. Re:Crazyness by suffe · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're imagining things.

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    3. Re:Crazyness by Dannon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now why did you have to go and turn this into a complex discussion?

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  5. Obligatory quote by Flying+pig · · Score: 2, Funny
    Now I, even I, would celebrate
    In rhymes inapt the great
    Immortal Syracusan rivaled nevermore
    Who in his wondrous law
    Passed on before
    Left men his guidance
    How to circles mensurate

    Continuing to 100000 or so is left as an exercise to the reader.

    The joke is that in writing this out I have to remind myself, as a non-American English user, that "rivaled" is spelt like that, and to do that I have to recite the numeric value of pi up to that point...go figure

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    1. Re:Obligatory quote by jacobw · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is actually a word for this: piphilology, the art of coming up with mnemonics to remember pi. Like the poem in the parent post, these tend to be phrases or poems in which the number of letters in each word corresponds to a digit of pi.

      One common mnemonic (which I've seen attributed to Isaac Asimov) is "How I want a drink, alcoholic of course, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics!" If you want to get really fancy, the Wikipedia entry lists a full sonnet, in more-or-less iambic pentameter:
      Now I defy a tenet gallantly
      Of circle canon law: these integers
      Importing circles' quotients are, we see,
      Unwieldy long series of cockle burs
      Put all together, get no clarity;
      Mnemonics shan't describeth so reformed
      Creating, with a grammercy plainly,
      A sonnet liberated yet conformed.
      Strangely, the queer'st rules I manipulate
      Being followéd, do facilitate
      Whimsical musings from geometric bard.
      This poesy, unabashed as it's distressed,
      Evolvéd coherent - a simple test,
      Discov'ring poetry no numerals jarred.


      Admittedly, it's not a very good sonnet, but, hey, what do you want?

  6. Video tapes? Oooh , risky by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can you image if he gets a mail from Guinness saying "Sorry , you missed the record by 10. Or at least we think you did but tape 26 got chewed by the machine at digit 54166. Bad luck son, try again next year and next time use Memorex!"

    1. Re:Video tapes? Oooh , risky by psxman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bah, he shouldn't have bothered sending videos at all! He should've just sent a plaintext transcript on a CD.

  7. 1337 by HetMes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Following the discussion about the date/time format, in continental Europe we proud ourselves in experiencing 13-3-7, or 1337...

    1. Re:1337 by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've never used just 7 to denote the year 2007. However, Europeans can experience 13:37ness every day thanks to our 24-hour clock.

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  8. Perhaps this kind of counselor ;) by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Quoth Monty Python, "You know, there are many people in the country today who, through no fault of their own, are sane. Some of them were born sane. Some of them became sane later in their lives. It is up to people like you and me who are out of our tiny little minds to try and help these people overcome their sanity. You can start in small ways with ping-pong ball eyes and a funny voice and then you can paint half of your body red and the other half green and then you can jump up and down in a bowl of treacle going "squawk, squawk, squawk..." And then you can go "Neurhhh! Neurhhh!" and then you can roll around on the floor going "pting pting pting"..."

    Well, it's one kind of counselling...

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  9. 1:59 pm? by FirienFirien · · Score: 2, Funny

    which some will observe at 1:59pm

    It can also be observed at 3:49 a.m., which is then 0.159 of a day; it's also much easier to have a minute's respectful silence at 3:49 am ;)

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  10. Re:100000 digits? by fLiXUs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are plenty of memory techniques. Didn't you know there is a world championship in remembering things? See for instance http://www.worldmemorychampionship.com/ or http://www.worldmemorychallenge.com/.


    If you want a tip, here's something a read in a book by a Norwegian memory world champion, Oddbjørn By:

    1. Assign each 2 digit number to a person and an action related to that person. The person has two names, so the first character of each name represent one of the digits.
    2. Now you can represent 4 digits with a person and an action. This will give you 4 with different first characters.
    3. Imagine locations on a known path.
    4. Assign a person doing an action at each location.
    5. Now you have 4 digits per location on your path... Just make a very long path and you'll have 1,000,000 digits (250,000 locations*) in no time!
    6. To recite the number, just traverse your path and look at the name of the person in each location, and the name of the person associated with the action.



    *You probably want less locations, so you can visit the same one under different conditions. E.g. during day / night / rain / snow / heavy winds... we're down to 50,000 locations already!

  11. on another note.. by mrsym0r · · Score: 5, Funny

    I feel it's only appropriate to add that march 14th is also international steak and blowjob day

  12. Do they really recite the digits of pi? by jmp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I ask because when I was a child, I remember reading about the "reciting digits of pi" record in the family Guinness Book of Records. It had a photo of the then record-holder, standing in front of a chalk board, upon which was written "3.142857142857142857142857..."

    It's not hard to recite the decimal expansion of 22/7.

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  13. This deep down? by remmelt · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... in the comments? I mean, seriously, who cares about Pi when you can get a steak AND a blow job (and if you're good, at the same time?)

  14. Look for a Pi Throw Near You! by jon_anderson_ca · · Score: 2, Informative

    On a serious note, check out the website of your local Engineering school... a bunch (here in Canada anyway) have a Pi Throw on March 14th for charity. You pay $10, somebody gets a cream pie in the face (or, often, they can pay $20 to redirect said pie back to you). The proceeds usually support something worthwhile.

  15. Re:ISO date - ignore the year by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, but that woulkd mean violating the standard. I'm an anal retentive, you insensitive jerk!

  16. To remember pi, just memorize this post! by jacobw · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now I make a reply involving my clever trick for rusty memories. Mnemonics usually challenge one; my own Slashdot post offers an easier path. You can memorize, and my account retrieves karma!

  17. Re: You forgot: european format is yyyy.mm.dd by muukalainen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So you do get 3.14. Or, more preciselly, [2007.]3.14, but you can skip the first part.

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  18. Only on slashdot by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Funny

    does steak and a blowjob day get buried when talking about March 14th. Of course, that's probably because most people here won't be celebrating.

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    1. Re:Only on slashdot by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn right. Some of us are vegetarians...

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  19. Re:Wrong Day by SBrach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Precisely?

  20. Ah, the evolution of math geekiness... by Panaqqa · · Score: 2, Informative

    I recall a certain rivalry over memorizing digits of pi back in high school. Everyone was around the 2-3 hundred mark when one guy threw down the gauntlet - 500 digits. Well, I put the memorization effort into overdrive and reached about 2,500 before being "crowned" the undisputed school champ. (Yay!)

    Interestingly, that fall in my frosh year at university, reciting pi turned up as a big contest among the first year math students. 2,500 was enough to take the crown at university also.

    There is actually a very efficient way of memorizing strings of random digits one you get the hang of it - the key is groups of 5. The technique works well enough that 25 years later I still remember 500 digits. And the workout I gave my memory skills serves me well today still. Strings of digits are simple - tell me your phone number just once, etc.

    100,000 - now that's impressive. I can tell you from experience, that memory will serve him well in chemistry, especially organic. More power to him!

  21. Einstein's birthday... by Gertlex · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why oh why does everyone ignore the fact that 3.14 is Einstein's birthday too? :'(

    1. Re:Einstein's birthday... by trongey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why oh why does everyone ignore the fact that 3.14 is Einstein's birthday too? :'(

      Because we can?
      Because he never remembers my birthday?
      Because we would have had to know it in the first place to be able to remeber it?
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  22. Not really by DavidShor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If I assume that pi is normaly distributed in an arbitrary base b(widely believed), then the probability that the digits of pi will be pallindrimic after 2*n digits is the probability that an arbitraty string of length n with b letters will be picked(A arbitrary string appears, it must be repeated). This probability is 1/b^n. For odd legth sequences 2*n+1, n digits are picked, any digit can go in the middle, and the n sequence must be repeated. Because there are b ways to pick the middle digit, the probability will be b/b^n=1/b^(n-1).


    So lets sum from n=1 to infinity 1/b^n. Basic Calculus returns a value of 1/(b-1)
    This is the probability that the partial digits of pi will be a pallindrome, for base 10, the probability is 1/9. Though it is almost certainly true for binary.


    For the existence of a odd length Pallindrome, I exclude the trivial singleton of length one. So as from two to infinity. This comes out to 1/(b-1).