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MythTV Vs. TiVo, Round 2
Egadfly writes with a comparison of the open source MythTV and the highly commercial TiVo Series 3. "How different are the two systems' available remote control devices and their graphic interfaces when it comes to ease of use? Which product should you choose if your HD signal comes OTA or if you plan to use CableCARDs? And what software features (present and future) can you expect with each product? Will loopholes in FCC regulations and cable company encryption ultimately squeeze out MythTV and other open source players?"
But maybe there should be a rule about not allowing links to Articles full of Advertisement that span over 7 pages with about 100 words/page...
Oh, Theres a mythtv for windows?
Ive used mythtv on my linux box sitting next to the big screen for years now. Never much of a problem at all. Love mythtv and will never give it up.
"I WANT MY MYTH TV!!"
For you, perhaps. I haven't a clue what CableCARD even means, and somehow I've managed to keep my Myth box's 160GB hard disk full continuously for as long as it's been in service.
I've wanted a HTPC for quite a while now, and have A LITTLE time coming this spring to do it. How does knoppmyth compare to mythdora? What other acceptable solutions are out there besides those two (ignoring Media center)? I'm willing to pay some dollars for it (so it doesn't HAVE to be free, although that's certainly nice), but I want control over the media
Marc
-- PGP keyID: 0x4C95994D
I gave up on trying to figure out mythtv...
/dev/cxm0 > vlc stream:///dev/stdin
/dev/cxm0 > $2 &
on my desktop I have a watch-tv.sh file:
START
#!/bin/sh
cat
bash &
STOP
I use the pvr250-control console app that was with the driver application to change the channel/input source.
To record? I cron a record.sh I made: record.sh channel file duration-in-minutes
START
#!/bin/sh
pvr250-control -t -m 0 $1
cat
sleep 1
PID=$(ps | grep cat | grep cxm0 | cut -f 2 -d ' ')
sleep $(echo "$3 * 60" | bc)
kill $PID
STOP
Fancy? No
Elegant? Hell No
Works? Yes
Low Hassle? Yes
but yeah, a TiVo would probably be even easier than that.
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Connection too slow for X forwarding? Try "ssh -CX user@host"
...I can run the frontend on my laptop and watch live and recorded TV anywhere in my house. I don't yet use Myth for anything but TV using an 8 year old Hauppauge card but for me, the flexibility of the software is what wins me over. My only gripe is the default keyboard bindings don't make the most sense at first.
To be fair, I've never used a Tivo. I have used a number of other DVRs provided by cable companies, and I'll take MythTV any day. The others I've used won't allow you to short your shows by TV show. When you have over 350 shows recorded, this is a must. I also have a 400 GB RAID for storage. Other DVRs will allow an eSATA drive, so they can get up to 500 GB, but lets hope you don't have a drive failure. MythTV also has a nice web interface, so I can set shows to record whether I'm in my room or across the country. My MythTV box has been up for a solid month without any problems, and I only rebooted then to try out a new Live CD and see if it would auto-detect my RAID. While I have had some more serious issues with MythTV, it's been 6 months, and I've upgraded both MythTV and my distro since then and it's been completely reliable. Tivo may be a cut above the other DVRs offered by my cable company, but MythTV puts the DVRs I've used to shame.
A set-top DVR is the only choice for a more-than-minimally-functional system.
Never used Myth, huh?
Myth is constantly talked about as far as PVRs ar the like are concerned. What is often ignored is, frankly, the best part of the project; The videos section. I can "backup" a DVD on to disk, then play that from my myth box at the click of a button. A VERY handy thing to have with a house full of children. No more lost DVDs, scratched or otherwise unwatchable discs. Just quick and simple click of the button.
Oh, this method provides you with the opportunity to remove the ads before the movie as well. Disney being the worst offender.
So do yourself a favor and learn about a software package before you badmouth it. I just pointed out something that no commercial PVR will likely EVER have, yet is so damn useful it could be it's own product.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
I'm quite surprised that they used mythtv or is vdr too german? Here in Finland the popularity is reversed to say the least and getting softcam to work with some cheap smartcard readers wasn't that big of a hassle. Recording porn err documentaries has never been this easy.
Rigt before going to spec out a nice bunch of PC components on NewEgg and build a good box, I always pass by the Myth TV Users Mailing List to make sure that I get the most relevant and updated hardware necessary, and instead end up reading a sampling of the horror stories they go through, taking a few minutes to savor the different tortures one can be subjected to (video out of sync with audio, artifacts on certain channels, MySQL database corruption, NuvExport screws up, X breaks dependencies, and all the rest) and decide to wait another few weeks, certainly the new upcoming release will be much more reliable and user-friendly? And by the way, what happened to all of the things that were done during last year's Google's 'Summer Of Code' for Myth TV ? All the great features and enhancements that were worked on?
So I keep waiting, hoping that the next time I check the mailing list, their version of Matt Groening's Life In Hell have died down a bit....
Even though I am definitely doing a fair amount of Sys Admin duties on various distros, this is different, the killer part is what will happen when something screws up while I'm not around, and my wife gets mad because something didn't work, (provided I can even teach her to deal with all of these menus, options and the whole 'watching Live TV through Myth' syndrome) or my kid decides that he knows better and starts trying to hack the box himself in frustration....?
Surely the TiVo is an attractive box for the wife and kids, but with technology changing as rapidly as it has been, it is questionable whether to invest in such a product today, unless we were hard-core TV addicts, and could justify the cost as it would immediately be recouped.
Funnily enough, the most expedient thing I've ended up doing has been to identify the things I want to watch, and as a previous poster pointed out, just BitTorrent the shows in HD without commercials the next day, no matter where in the world I may be. (...and yes, it is sweet to download things at 10 Megs speed while in certain countries like Japan or Norway!!...LOL!)
Net result: I hardly EVER watch any TV whatsoever, and the few shows I care about can be watched on my laptop.
Well, I wish I had more time to tinker.... and still, major kudos to Jarod Wilson for having created this amazing open-source wonder. But as others have pointed out, for either of these two options, it's really going to all be about being able to have Myth TV interact with the CableCard slot, at least in major urban centers where cable companies rule the roost, and antenna reception is unwatchable!! The killer is that companies like Time Warner Cable are offering their own PVR deals, so they will make sure to lock anyone else out of the convenience until forced to do so by the FCC... Or that someone learns to hack the Firewire outputs of some of those new set-top decoders. Then you potentially still have HDCP to contend with. Oh, brother!! Brave new world !!
Z.
The uptime on my MythTV box is 133 days. I haven't touched the software for over a year, because it works fine and I don't want any of the new features. When I want to watch a show, I click TV->Watch Recordings and then select what I want to watch, and when commercials come up, a couple of presses of the "Fordward" button on my remote (configured to skip ahead 30 seconds) is all it takes to skip them. If I want to watch a DVD, no problem, play a game or two (kids love the old SNES games), no problem. Listen to my MP3/OGG collection, no problem. It all just works.