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Blu-ray Disc Among Top Selling DVDs at Amazon

An anonymous reader writes "In a milestone for the next-gen disc format, the Blu-ray edition of 'Casino Royale' cracked the top ten on Amazon's DVD top sellers list upon its release Tuesday, peaking late in the evening at #8. Of course, the two-disc standard-def DVD still topped the chart at #1, but a strong showing for Blu-ray regardless."

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  1. Now we just need... by eviloverlordx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...the ob Sony bashing posts complaining that it's a failure because it didn't beat the DVD release.

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    1. Re:Now we just need... by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's somewhat akin to saying that CDs were a failure because they didn't sell as well as LPs when just a few people had CD players.

    2. Re:Now we just need... by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only that, look at the stuff that's in the top 20. 2 versions of borat, 3 versions of Casino royale (including the Blu-Ray), Some diet DVD, The James Bond Box Set (I really can't see that selling to many copies at $180), and few other movies that look good, but not extraordinary. What are the actual sales numbers for Casino Royale BluRay, because it doesn't seem like it's beating anything taht I would expect to see selling more.

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    3. Re:Now we just need... by HistoricPrizm · · Score: 2, Informative

      The James Bond box set was on a special "Gold Box" deal yesterday, at $125, so that would be why it jumped up in sales.

    4. Re:Now we just need... by nuzak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FACTS prove that humans are a failure. If they weren't, there would be more humans than insects.

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  2. top ten by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 4, Funny

    They left out this part:

    "Barely beating BARBIE MAGIC OF THE RAINBOW and EASTER BUNNY ADVENTURE.."

    1. Re:top ten by PFI_Optix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I guess then it should be pointed out that you left the part out about the fact that there wasn't a major HD-DVD release in the same time frame.

      This format war may well be decided by titles rather than player sales.

      I still think HD-DVD has the best chance if they can make the hybrid disks (HD-DVD that will play in DVD players) a big enough deal to get the major publishers to completely switch to them on new releases.

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  3. Probably What Happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sony Employee "Sir, I did what you said and bought thousands of blue ray discs from amazon"

    Sony Exec (in Mr. Burns Voice) "Excellent"

  4. Oh Great by Psx29 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is just like when the SNES was ahead of PS3 on amazon right? I really don't think these numbers mean anything

  5. 3 Titles in top 100 by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, since there are a total of 3 Blu-Ray titles in the top 100, forgive me for seeing this as a desperate pent-up demand for new titles.

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    1. Re:3 Titles in top 100 by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Really? All three Blu-Ray titles are in the top 100?

      Kidding, of course, but the Blu-Ray selection, and the HD-DVD selection too for that matter is pretty terrible right now.

    2. Re:3 Titles in top 100 by Jungleland · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed, as an early UK adopter of HD-DVD (because the xbox add-on is about a third of the price of blu-ray) I do find the current selection appalling and what little selection there is is usually out of stock :-(
      If Casino Royale had been released on HD-DVD I would have been the first in-line.

      I just hope "someone" wins the highdef war so we don't end up in the DVD-A/SACD situation where both formats appear to have lost.

  6. That is indeed a really nice ranking by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 3, Informative

    Considering that, at this moment, the Amazon DVD top 100 is composed of 99 DVD (still including Firefly at #81, BTW) and 1 BR.

    1. Re:That is indeed a really nice ranking by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1-Apparently, this movie, being THE release of the week, sells more in its BR version than all the other high def disks combined, at least today.
      2-This movie seems to be available only in DVD, BR and UMD, so imagine "300" or another very big hit is released only in DVD and HD-DVD because it comes from an anti-Sony studio (I don't know for "300", and I don't care, it is simply for the example), will we see the same kind of article the other way around in a couple of mounthes?

  7. heh by smoondog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think a lot of customers are going to be disappointed when their purchase doesn't play in their dvd player.

    1. Re:heh by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is an interesting comment as my wife and I subscribe to the Blockbuster delivery service and I've had to take Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs off our queue quite a few times as my wife just adds the first version of the movie she sees. One time, she even had the DVD and Blu-Ray version of the same movie on our queue, but that's another story.

      I'm not saying that Amazon shoppers are making obvious buying errors and that the disc has no right being in the top 10, more just pointing out that difference between DVD and the other formats isn't always obvious to non-techies.

    2. Re:heh by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Informative

      You might want to switch to Netflix then, because Netflix won't allow you to add BluRay or HD DVD (not "HD-DVD") discs unless you tell it you have an appropriate player.

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  8. Re:Message to HD DVD Camp by eln · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yah, well, my dad can beat up your dad!

  9. PS3 by DogDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know a lot of people probably don't use their PS2's as DVD players, but some do (I do). I think that once the PS3 starts rolling, Blue Ray will pick up some serious steam.

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    1. Re:PS3 by Seumas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I doubt it. I bought my PS3 because I wanted a cheap blue-ray device for the time being (my television does 1080p, which a lot of them are starting to support now). I didn't want to drop $1,000 on a high quality blue-ray player yet, until we see how things pan out.

      The porn industry has already gone with HD-DVD so I think that clearly tells us where everything else is going. Either that or any decent player will support both and we'll just have two standards that are equally available and distributed.

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  11. whats the numbers by VEGETA_GT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you can't tell me how many of these actualy sold then I am not interested. Was it 40 DVD's for #1 and 10 for #8 which means very little in the end. Or was it 10,000 for #1 and 8000 for number #8 spot. Knowing a standing in a chart means extreamly little unless you can give me the actual numbers sold.

    also would like to point out that Blue Ray DVD's are much harder to find compared to standard DVD's that are even for sale in the local 7-11 including Casino Royale. This point could explain why it was bought more on amazon, as I can get the standard DVD any ware, but the blue ray and HD-DVD for that matter, are harder to find so would increase sales on things like amazon easily.

    and yes this has been beaten to death point, but again more people have blue ray for the simple fact that its stock in PS3, not because a lot of people have bought specific players. From the numbers there is more stock HD-DVD players sold over stock Blue-Ray players. I just hope Sony realizes they need to avoid the fate of there Beta and actulay allow others to make Blue-Ray players, then they are in a position to actully win out.

  12. Lies!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blu-Ray owners are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, HD-DVD is safe, protected.

  13. Parent += 1, .= Insightful by patio11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My mother things BlueRay is a "new brand of DVD player, right?" I'd hate to be Amazon's customer service department explaining to people that they need to read carefully because the new Bond requires a new gadget to be able to play. Maybe if you beat somebody in a high-stakes poker game you'll be able to afford a BlueRay player... or at least the cable for one, which is a start.

  14. Re:Price comparison: $15.99 vs $27.99 by flynt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And at that price, who can afford more than the occasional purchase?

    The same people who can afford a PS3 or other device to play them in, and a TV that can take advantage of it?

  15. Re:Message to HD DVD Camp by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, that's Electronic Arts.

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  16. but Blu-Ray isn't DVD by 58797A7A79 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but.. Blu-Ray isn't DVD. Blu-Ray is Blu-Ray. Just like DVD isn't CD, it's DVD. That's like saying that this USB pen drive is the best CD-ROM format thus far.

    1. Re:but Blu-Ray isn't DVD by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it does show that there is some demand for Blu-Ray discs (or at least, people who think they want one; let's see how many are returned once people realize they can't play them in a standard DVD player).

      If it is real, then it shows that format shift from DVD to one or the other format may actually happen. That wasn't a foregone conclusion. Reading previous Slashdot discussions you get the impression that nobody was interested in the new features, especially not at the cost of having to put up with a new DRM format.

      I don't think this necessarily shows that Blu-Ray will beat out HD-DVD; both formats are just starting. But if significant numbers of copies are sold of either format, it means that the whole concept isn't necessarily DOA.

  17. Re:Message to HD DVD Camp by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where is your pr0n to save you now?

    What? The ones being seeded or the ones in queue to download?

    Seriously, I don't think porn is an issue these days because you can just download it for free or very easily for a small fee at certain sites.

    People don't want to go into shady stores to buy porn if they don't want to.

    However, I personally believe digital downloads will defeat both BluRay and HDDVD if given the chance by a major corporation.

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  18. Re:But it is.. by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

    This says nothing about the format and everything about the movie.

    woo a popular bond movie making it to the top of the charts on release?! OMG CALL THE PAPERS!!

    Quite accurate. I have a blu-ray player (and HD-DVD), and my opinion of blu-ray is that Sony is just pushing releases out without a care on quality - honestly, some blu-ray movies are worse than if the DVD was upconverted (talladega nights anyone? My HD-DVD player did a much better job upconverting the DVD to 1080i than the PS3 did outputting a native 1080p (I have a 1080p TV) - honestly, the blu-ray version looked like someone recorded it to a VCR, then ran some lame upconverter on it, then ran the "blur" filter on it).

    The good blu-ray I have is Employee of the Month, which at least looks decent. But I've had sharper images from HD-DVD (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory being particularly sharp). I don't understand it since blu-ray has so much more capacity (50GB vs. 30GB), so HD-DVD should theoretically have worse picture quality, worse extras, worse everything because it's space-constrained.

    In the end, I just picked up the cheaper DVD version - there weren't much extras, but I don't have faith in blu-ray transfers (I've got a few blu-rays simply in the search of "high def"). Being two-thirds the price clinched the deal.

    (I should note that in Canada, the pricing of the LG "Super Multi Blue" player is more expensive than a PS3 and a regular HD-DVD player (and still pricier if you gave up the HD-DVD standalone player for the Xbox380+HD-DVD drive), yet you get two better players (PS3 can do blu-ray iHD, and a proper HD-DVD player must be able to do iHD) in the bargain. LG's player doesn't do iHD, which is why there's no official HD-DVD *LOGO* on it. Just "HD-DVD" in fancy suggestive type.)

  19. Re:Are you kidding? by Paradox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, the PS2 wasn't so good. Still, for a lot of people it was a great value to have a DVD player and a game system in one box, if only because it was rare to have many component inputs until the last few years.

    But just about every review of the PS3 you can read, including this one, says that the Xbox 360 is the next generation shitty-PS2-esque DVD player. The picture is grainy and ugly. Sony seems to have learned from their mistake on this one, the PS3 is just about the best non-upconverting DVD player I've ever seen, and I've owned a few.

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  20. Re:Price comparison: $15.99 vs $27.99 by Paradox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People who can afford the PS3 and a high-definition television (and maybe a 10x overpriced cord, if they don't wise up).

    Seriously, for someone with a large HDTV, Blu-ray turns movis from a grainy experience with mediocre sound and washed out colors into a theater-quality experience. If your TV is larger than 40", 16:9(or 10) aspect, a high-def source is pretty much necessary to lot look blurry and grainy.

    I don't own many Blu-ray discs, but I do own a few, and they are awesome to behold.

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  21. HD-DVD is failing fast by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I own an HD-DVD player and am sad to say that Blu-ray is clearly winning this format war right now. HD-DVD has no advertising (Blu-ray runs ads on many HD channels and has kiosks in every Best Buy), little studio support (half-assed HD-DVD support from Warner and Universal, who have released almost no new discs in the last month or two, WILL NOT cut it).

    I see ads on TV for the blu-ray format and blu-ray discs every day now (almost at every commercial break when I'm watching HDNET and other HD channels). I have YET to see a single ad for HD-DVD or an HD-DVD release. Not one.

    Blu-ray is beginning to make some name recognition headway. No one even knows HD-DVD exists. Blu-ray is getting new releases all the time. HD-DVD new releases have dried up to almost nothing.

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  22. Re:Message to HD DVD Camp by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those that were too quick to discard blu-ray as the next beta will have a nice ample serve of humble pie waiting for them.

    Okay, okay. Blu-Ray isn't the next Beta.

    It's the next DVD-Audio, and HD-DVD is the next SACD.

    Neither of which has yet managed to convinced the majority of the market to give up the 25-plus-year-old CD format.

  23. Re:finally! by badspyro · · Score: 3, Funny

    the new james bond film will never be avalable on HD-DVD?
    *runs out to get an XBOX360*

  24. 300 by Salamande · · Score: 2, Informative

    It'll be interesting to see what happens when 300 comes out on home formats. That's going to be absolutely huge. I wonder if an HD-DVD exclusive would have the same effect...

  25. Inaccurate Analogies by Comboman · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That's somewhat akin to saying that CDs were a failure because they didn't sell as well as LPs when just a few people had CD players.

    Perhaps, but saying Blu-ray is a success because the latest Bond film is in the top 10 at Amazon this week is a bit like saying Betamax was a success because a popular movie that was not available on VHS was a top 10 seller in it's first week of release (at a particular video store). It's a measurement that is so narrow in scope that generalizing a broader trend from it is absolutely pointless.

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  26. Re:finally! by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No. That's a terrible analogy. Simply being ahead in a format war helps you to get further ahead, since more players on the market encourage production of more media and more media in existance encourages more people to buy players. A footrace has no such positive feedback loop. You are exactly right. In order for HD-DVD to win, something has to happen to change the dynamic. For example, much cheaper (than Blue Ray) HD-DVD players, or some super-hot movie(s) coming out exclusive for HD-DVD might change things. But if things keep going like they are going, then Blue Ray will win.
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  27. And the winner is... by too2late · · Score: 2, Informative

    It seems that most intelligent, tech-savvy slashdotters are predicting HD-DVD will be the winner, since they know more about the subject than the average consumer. So, naturally Blu-Ray will win ;-)

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  28. Casino Royale by HungWeiLo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let me guess...the Blu-Ray disc is not the one with Woody Allen in it, right?

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  29. No HD-DVD releases almost the whole month by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cheaper player will not even help if more titles do not arrive. There have been no new HD-DVD releases since around the 27th of last month, and will not be any until around the same time this month!

    Forgot super-hot movies, HD-DVD has trouble just getting any movies - and if sales continue to fall for HD-DVD versios of movies few titles will risk a release on HD-DVD which may not sell very well.

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  30. BD developers strike again by heroine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The BD developers order a ton of each disk the moment it comes out, for testing. Suspect Casino Royale had a problem with BD-J so they wanted to throw as much manpower at it as possible. There are also a lot of copies of Speed being bought, as you can see. The main thing they're working on is BD+. If you see a BD disk spike on your hot list, it's probably a BD+ being bought up for testing.

  31. Tracked sales comprison by BrerBear · · Score: 2, Informative

    But what you'll see if you've been following the comparison trends at:
        http://eproductwars.com/dvd/
    is that Blu-Ray passed HD-DVD early this year, and the sales gap is generally widening. It's not just a fluke of the Casino Royale release.

    Couple this with the anemic release schedule for upcoming HD-DVDs compared to Blu-Ray, and it looks like Blu-Ray is on a pretty solid path to trouncing HD-DVD. I say this as the owner of an HD-DVD XBox addon (but not PS3 or any other Blu-Ray).