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Astronomers Explode Virtual Supernova

DynaSoar writes "Scientists at the University of Chicago's Center for Astrophysical Thermonuclear Flashes have created a simulation of a white dwarf exploding into a type 1a supernova. Using 700 processors and 58,000 hours, they produced a three second movie showing the initial burst that is thought to be the source of much of the iron in the universe. Understanding these supernovas is also important to testing current cosmological theories regarding dark matter and dark energy, as their brightness is used as a measurement of distance, and discrepancies found in the brightness of very distant supernovas consistently seem to indicate a change in the speed of expansion of the universe over time."

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  1. movie links on the UC site by siddesu · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://flash.uchicago.edu/website/research/gallery /home.py

    for all alternative OS users out there.

    1. Re:movie links on the UC site by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 2, Funny

      thanks for the mirror because we just exploded their servers!

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    2. Re:movie links on the UC site by boot_img · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think this link is not to the right movies. These links are associated with papers submitted in 2004, not 2007.

  2. Psssh! by PixieDust · · Score: 4, Funny

    7000 processors and 58000 hours? SG-1 Did that in a single episode! On a TV special effects budget no less!

    1. Re:Psssh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe they can simulate a sense of humor for you.

    2. Re:Psssh! by hosecoat · · Score: 2, Funny

      sadly, a tv effects budget is probably more then a scientific grant.

  3. 58000 hours by Repton · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, they started the simulation over six years ago?

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    1. Re:58000 hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure it was a coding error that showed up 6 years later...

      Researcher #1: Ooops! It crashed... darn!
      Researcher #2: Crap! After 6 years!...
      Researcher #1: Oh wait.. I have an idea!...

    2. Re:58000 hours by psychrono · · Score: 2, Informative

      I never RTFA, but maybe it was a "cumulative" 58,000 hours across 7,000 processors? That seems a lot more feasible to me... but maybe they did start it over 6 years ago :p

    3. Re:58000 hours by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's probably 58,000 processor hours, which on 700 processors is closer to 83 hours in real time.

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    4. Re:58000 hours by Shimdaddy · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Though the computer simulation took a total of 58,000 hours and more than 700 computer processors, the actual process from start to finish--when the star explodes--played out in just three seconds." (Third paragraph under the subhead "Crash Code", ninth paragraph overall).

      Yep, definitely nowhere in the story. Not anywhere. Definitely not in plaintext, sitting there, waiting to be read :)

    5. Re:58000 hours by amRadioHed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the big achievement here is having created an algorithm that can simulate the supernova, not so much the CPU power needed to run the simulation.

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    6. Re:58000 hours by Telvin_3d · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think the point of this story is some big feat of supercomputing. The interesting bit is that they made a really neat simulation and tossed it online. The processing power involved is a point of interest, nothing more.

    7. Re:58000 hours by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      THere are a lot of interesting things about this. Supernovas are believed to be a major (though not the only) source of all elements heavier than iron in the universe.

      For a brief overview (based on Fowler's Nobel Prize lecture) on element formation... This is all from memory (and I am not a physicist) so do your own verification. Basically small stars burn Protium (1H). These fuse to product 2He which immediately decays into Deuterium (2H), emiting a positron. This P-P process eventually allows Deuterium to fuse forming the stable 4He.

      As the amount of Helium in a star increases, it eventually becomes possible for Helium to fuse. The only problem is that 8Be is unstable and alpha decays almost immediately back into He. However, you get a small amount of 8Be sitting around for a while, and it can fuse with 4He to produce 12C (Carbon-12). From here things get interesting...

      For stars with more than about 1.1 times the mass of our sun, The carbon becomes the basis for Helium production, replacing the P-P process. The basic process (called the CNO cycle) involves single captures of protons (2 of which decay into neutrons and positrons) and then the alpha decay back into 12C. In short this allows Carbon to act as a sort of catalyst for Hydrogen fusion. All elements heavier than Carbon are produced using one of a number of processes. These include fast proton capture, slow proton capture, and alpha capture. The problem is that these become endothermic at the point of Iron. So while smaller stars can produce some of the heavier elements, they are limited in the quantities they can produce. Supernovas, however, can rapidly create much larger quantities of heavier elements.

      Also note that at a point in the distant past, stars were more massive than they generally are today. This means that at different points in the history of the universe, we saw large amounts of heavier elements generated.

      So this is all quite interesting. I am sure at that many hours we are probably talking about a pretty detailed atomic model. The movie probably shows noting near what the simulation shows.

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  4. A face in the explosion by Var1abl3 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does anyone else see the "face" that is created during this explosion? I see closed eyes, a nose and even a mouth(all tongue in cheek) ROFLMAO... sorry poor joke..... would love to see this at full speed.

    1. Re:A face in the explosion by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Elvis lives

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  5. Very Subtle by BillGatesLoveChild · · Score: 4, Funny

    > created a simulation of a white dwarf exploding into a type 1a supernova. Using 700 processors and 58,000 hours,

    They probably got Federal Funding for this by explaining it was "like sticking a giant firecracker up a giant frog"

  6. The horror! by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    You insensative clods! They killed my virtual friends and my virtual dog orbiting around that star on a virtual planet! Just because they are bits instead of molecules is no reason to demean them.

  7. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 2, Informative

    supernovas

    Shouldn't that be supernovae?

  8. Is it April Fools Day already? by patio11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sorry, I had to check when their acronym spells CATFUC.

  9. Nice blanket statement by icepick72 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "they produced a three second movie showing the initial burst that is thought to be the source of much of the iron in the universe"

    Bob: But we'll never get funding with a three second image. This thing had to have caused something useful ..
    Joe: Well, um ... how about something specific like Kevin Federline?
    Bob: No, panders too much to popular culture.
    Joe: That's too bad because my next thought was heavy metal music. Oh, how about some type of boring "metal" like iron ore. It's in some vitamins too which will interest the average consumer.
    Bob: That'll do. We have to get the funding proposal out by noon.

  10. more detail by gsn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gah that article is awful. They link to pretty pictures and blurbs mostly and never really explain what these things are, why they are important or give you any real sense of scale. So since I like to beat on the drum of better communication of science, here is a little more detail to add to the good einhverfr's post.

    The progenitors of SNIa are most likely white dwarfs composed of carbon nitrogen and oxygen, probably with a companion star from which they are stripping matter. They are very compact on the order of a few thousand kilometers at most, and really dense - more than the mass of the sun. They aren't hot enough to support fusion - they are supported by Pauli pressure; quantum mechanics doesn't allow two electrons in the same state at the same time so though gravity tries to compact these objects there is a Pauli pressure outward to balance it.

    This can't go on forever in these progenitor systems however, and if the white dwarf strips enough matter of its companion to get to ~1.4 solar masses (the Chandrashekar limit) then Pauli pressure isn't strong enough to balance gravity and the star begins to collapse and when that happens pressure and temperature rises and somewhere a nuclear fusion flame ignites. Details about what happens near collapse, and where and how the flame ignites, and how many there are and how they progress are still debated. In this particular model they are considering only a single flame (so far) and its a "gravitationally confined detonation" (GCD - the name of this particular model).

    Its a little difficult to get a sense of scale from those videos, though there are numbers in the bottom corner. The flame starts of near or just of center and becomes bubble/mushroom shaped through a Rayleigh-Taylor instability and breaks the stellar surface in under a second. Its less than another second before the ash and flame from the bubble collides at the opposite end of the star. This flame crashing into itself (see video 1) causes compression and a detonation.

    Theres been a lot of debate as to whether its a deflagration or a detonation or whether it transitions from one to the other and how and when that happens and us poor graduate students just hope they don't go crazy over details of the progenitors during our qualifying examinations. This is notable because there appears to be a growing number of voices who are saying that a detonation is necessary. These events are so standard because they all become SNIa if they get near 1.4 solar masses. There is a fair bit of diversity (and some just crazy objects) and most of that probably arises from details during the explosion which is why modeling them is partly why the models are so important.

    There is still a lot of modeling left to do. This flame is producing a lot of heavy elements (there is O, S, Ca, Mg and Si in the early spectra - the silicon feature is around 6150 angstrom in the rest frame and is the marker of a Ia at low to moderate redshifts). As the outer layers expand and become more transparent you see more of the material produced during the explosion and a lot of this is Nickel (Ni-56) which decays to cobalt and powers the light curve so you get this typically 2 week rise and then a slow fall off. Later times most of the Ni has become cobalt which is decaying to iron and you see these elements in the spectrum. The energies we are talking about here are about 10^45 Joules. A H bomb by contrast is 10^15 Joules so 30 order of magnitude. Unless you can picture 10^30 H bombs going off its hard to get a feeling for this number but thats generally the case with numbers in cosmology.

    There are a lot of empirical relations you see from the lightcurve, which are exploited to standardize them (for instance the brighter the supernova, the slower its rate of decline, and there are relations for the colour...) and if a model can replicate them and match the observed lightcurves and spectra then this is a very impressive accomplishment. I skim

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  11. Re:Well that's all fine and good.... by Sproggit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The priorities are NOT wrong!
    Knowledge for knowledge's sake ALWAYS ends up paying off.

    Just because we dont know how to make our lives better by virtue of gaining this knowledge now, there's no reason to suppose we'll never know (in fact, history indicates that eventually ALL research pays off to some extent).

    If you RTFA and do a slight bit of reasoning (I know, I know, but try), you will see that this research directly helps us understand more of the hydrogen -> helium mechanincs.

    Repeat after me:
    ALL KNOWLEDGE IS VALUABLE.
    KNOWING IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN NOT KNOWING.

    Ignorance being bliss was a concept invented to placate the ignorant.

  12. Re:Well that's all fine and good.... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny

    Since you're browsing slashdot when instead you could be working on harnessing fusion power, it would seem that you're just as guilty of having skewed priorities as these astrophysicists.

  13. No, it's an English word by Flying+pig · · Score: 3, Informative
    "Supernova" is an invented word and the plural is "supernovas". Just like televisions and radios.

    In fact, the word is built out of two Latin adjectives, literally it means an "abovenew". Invented words follow this rule, hence the plural of octopus is octopuses, of satellite is satellites, and of millennium is millenniums. The plural of "vertebra" is "vertebrae" because it is an actual Latin word, not an invented modern one.

    Incidentally, while pursuing this very pedantic note, "satellites" is correct plural but the singular of the original word is "satelles". And the original word is pronounced sat-ell-it-ees. We are a long way from Latin.

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  14. Re:Well that's all fine and good.... by timster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You got some answers which are good enough, but I'd like to add a point.

    Further development in materials and energy sources today relies upon gaining a better understanding of the physics involved. After all, it's hard to do engineering when you don't know the rules. While we have very good models for large-scale physics, we're still lacking at the subatomic level.

    The difficulty of subatomic physics is that the particles are so small that their influences are difficult to detect. One way to solve that is to accelerate them to very large energies, high enough that we could notice a single quark out of place. That's the principle of a particle accelerator.

    The problem is that we can only get so much energy, and on a small scale, with our puny devices here on Earth. Out there in space, some processes have way more energy than we could ever harness, so we can learn important things about physics just by watching. The reason to simulate a supernova is so that we know what we should expect given our current models. Likely, observation of actual supernovas is going to show discrepancies with the simulation, and those discrepancies will be grounds for further research to improve our models.

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  15. Re:Uh, not quite... by dsanfte · · Score: 2, Informative

    Both could be correct if you use them properly in the sentence. Supernovae when it's the subject, supernovas when it's the object. Assuming we're treating "supernova" as a regular 1st-declension latin feminine noun.

    Strictly speaking, super (as a preposition of space or location, in this case) takes nova in the ablative case, so the ending on nova is a long a (ahhhhh). If we were writing in Latin I don't know that we'd use the -ae ending for the plural at all. In fact, I'm not sure what the plural would be. I assume we'd throw a pronoun before "super nova", maybe "eae super nova" (they who are above the new [thing]), and continue on with the sentence with "eae" (feminine they) as our subject. Or we could use Illae (those) as our subject, which might be less proper and more vulgar-latin slangy.

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