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Best Buy Acquires SpeakEasy

spazimodo writes "From the announcement e-mail from Speakeasy CEO Bruce Chatterley: 'I am pleased to announce that Speakeasy has been acquired by Best Buy, an innovative and growing Fortune 100 company and the top consumer electronics retailer in North America. This is a significant milestone for our company as our new relationship will help us realize our goals of becoming the No. 1 provider of voice and data solutions to small businesses. It is important to note that though Speakeasy will now be a wholly owned subsidiary of Best Buy, we will continue to operate as a standalone, independent operating division with headquarters in Seattle.' As a longtime Speakeasy customer, it's too bad to see their business moving in this direction. Back in the day when I called up their support with a problem, and mentioned I was using an OpenBSD box as a firewall/gateway the response was: 'cool!' — slightly different from the response Comcast or Verizon would give. I can't imagine they'll be able to maintain that independence, and there's no way I'm paying a premium for Internet service to Best Buy."

285 comments

  1. God Forbid by Bananatree3 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I sure hope they don't turn SpeakEasy into another Geek Squad quandry. Consumerist has a nice quote on this:

    A common refrain we hear from the former and current Geek Squad employees we've been talking to is that Geek Squad used to be awesome. Robert Stephens built up an award-winning company with a reputation for being the best in the business. Then he sold it to Best Buy and they turned it to garbage.

    1. Re:God Forbid by huber · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Best Buy did the same thing with The Musicland Group (Media Play, Sam Goodie etc..) Media Play was one of the best jobs i ever had. Everyone got along, corporate realized that every store location served different demographics and let the stores cater to those needs. Then Comes best buy with their one size fits all mantra. All of the sudden all employees have to sell so many "replay cards" a month or risk termination. They sucked to fun out of that place in less then a year. Next thing you know MusicLand is out of business. I hate Best Buy.

    2. Re:God Forbid by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would bet on it they will. BestBuy is known for taking something that is good and then leaning it out so far it starts to eat it's self. They started this in Geek squad by paying gutter wages, which gives you no skills techs and huge turnover. I actually get more clients from people screwed by Geek Squad that anyone else. Speakeasy will be the same. the rates will not go down but the QOS will drop to a level that the executives will deem acceptable to maximize profits. Also expect tactics used by companies like Vonnage that will make it near impossible to quit your service so switching to another provider will be incredibly difficult.

      Everything Best Buy has touched they screw it up in the name of maximized profits.

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    3. Re:God Forbid by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      This makes me wonder about other Best Buy acquisitions that I'm not as familiar with. Does anyone have anything positive or negative to say about that Magnolia home theater store they tuck into the corner of each Best Buy nowadays?

    4. Re:God Forbid by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Informative

      Forget the GeekSquad mess... Best Buy has been called out for having an internal web site that looks like their external one but with different prices. If they bring the same kind of quality to SpeakEasy, it's as good as dead.

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    5. Re:God Forbid by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I really hope that doesn't happen. Geek Squad has earned itself a laughable status lately.

      I got this email this morning (I use speakeasy for my web servers). So far, speakeasy has had excellent service. Between getting 3mbit/768kbit DSL line with 8 static IPs and 8 1GB usenet accounts for 85$/month (slashdot promo), their not blocking servers, and their incredibly fast response time for problems, the service has been top notch. Completely decimated verizon's service on all levels.

      I've never liked bestbuy. To me, they're like the wal*mart of electronics stores. Sure, they've got pretty much everything, but they're constantly trying to sell you things. It's not about service with them, it's about getting every penny out of your pocket that they can. They have no soul to their spin.

      I really hope bestbuy's deep pockets enable speakeasy to deliver better service rather than let it stagnate or deteriorate. I guess I'll just have to play the waiting game.

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    6. Re:God Forbid by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Media Play went and bet of every losing horse in electronics retail. They focused on PC Gaming, video (VHS and later DVD) sales, CD sales, and books. Books sales was the only market they were in that can still make money today. While their store makeup made them something I dearly loved, they couldn't keep it up without fundamentally changing what they are. Best Buy may have killed them but they were already dying. This is a far cry from the Geek Squad that was on the rise when Best Buy purchased them.

    7. Re:God Forbid by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 2

      "To me, they're like the wal*mart of electronics stores. Sure, they've got pretty much everything, but they're constantly trying to sell you things. It's not about service with them, it's about getting every penny out of your pocket that they can. They have no soul to their spin."
      I don't see how that's comparable to Walmart at all. Don't get me wrong - I'm up for a good bashing of Walmart as the next guy but my experiences at Best Buy have always been pushy salespeople who want me to get the protection plan and refuse to honor coupons. On the other hand, when you can find a Walmart worker, they're certainly not pushy and have little to no interest in being helpful. I don't enjoy shopping at either store (and so I don't) but I haven't found the shopping experiences very similar - other than they're both big box stores.
    8. Re:God Forbid by Coraon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seeing as how evil best buy is and how worried alot of speak easy employes have got to be, I have to wonder. When are you guys leaving speak easy?

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    9. Re:God Forbid by huber · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed to an extent. If in fact books were the best money maker in the store, then why did best buy destroy that section? They cut book inventory by 75% of what it was originally. We had almost everything in stock. That Changed into "sorry we don't carry that item."

      They had managers and sales associates that knew they're departments and fired them ( at least at my store ) because they refused to push customers to buy those silly replay cards and other promotions. These employees were replaced by people with far less knowledge about the products they sold and frankly didn't really care about the customer.

      They changed the dress code to a far more stringent attire and just simply sucked the personality out of its employees.

      Sure Media Play may have been in rough shape, but the customers that shopped there always commented on our great and friendly customer service. Best Buy took care of that mighty quick.

    10. Re:God Forbid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magnolia has always charged a major premium for marginally better goods. Your Westinghouse or Samsung screen with some Infinity speakers is going to look pretty much exactly as good or better than anything Magnolia sells you.

    11. Re:God Forbid by cHiphead · · Score: 1

      Just wait till people are in a Best Buy and go run a Speakeasy speed test over the internal gigabit network... "Insane fast zomgz broadband! Free install by a Geek Squad member!"

      There goes the last of the decent independent ISPs.

      Cheers.

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    12. Re:God Forbid by Patik · · Score: 1

      Sounds familiar.

    13. Re:God Forbid by VirtualAdept · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From my perspective, I absolutely *loved* Media Play in their heyday. I used to go there all the damned time. For one thing, they had by far the best selection of anime I could find back when anime was starting to become big. And from that, I would go there and browse books and CDs. I'd occasionally buy a video game there. And they always had other products that made me go 'ooooh' Then they went downhill. Getting pinged every time about a Replay card got annoying very, very quickly. It seemed like their stores slowly went downhill in terms of cleanliness and display of product. I started going to other stores for books and video games. I was already buying less anime. It really came down to the fact that I stopped caring about Media Play, and didn't really notice them go out of business.

    14. Re:God Forbid by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      I also loved Media Play back in the day. Out in the middle of BFE (St. Cloud, MN) it was the only place around with a decent selection of software, movies, games, music and books. I did notice that they significantly changed the stock at some point, but didn't realize at the time it was due to a Best Buy buyout. Now it all makes sense.

    15. Re:God Forbid by gessel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Crap crap crap. So now what? I've been a speakeasy customer for years now: good SDSL service, excellent customer service, people who actually know configuration options. I'm seriously unhappy. From the zenith of ISPs to the nadir of corporate misculture. Will they start to dynamically rewrite speakeasy quotes between the ad and the sale?

      poo. this sucks.

    16. Re:God Forbid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Posting as AC as I still under a dubious DNA through Accenture that I really dont feel like fighting. They did the same thing with Magnolia Hi-Fi. Took a company that won best service award for 20+ years and sucked all of the good ideas out and gutted the company. Two years after the purchase people were walking into the retail store and saying "Magnolia just doesnt feel like Magnolia anymore" We did not advertise the fact that Magnolia was owned by BBY but the customers could feel the culture shift. Returns went from easy to BBY complex. Customers that had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars we being charged fifty bucks for stupid stuff. They left. Not because they couldnt afford it, it was the change in relationship.

      Speakeasy will have the same thing. First the first teir techs will get more scripted and dumbed down because somebody in Richfield will figure out that if they trim tech pay off by a buck an hour the BBY stock will rise by $0.01. Then the AUP will change, then they will become a follower not a leader in R&D and "cool" projects.

      I willingly pay an extra $10 to go with speakeasy for the relationship and compitent english speaking front line techs that dont blow me off when I say Cisco or Linux. No more. They lost me and I will be suggesting to my 30 speakeasy clients they migrate to somewhere else when the contract is up.

    17. Re:God Forbid by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      "If in fact books were the best money maker in the store, then why did best buy destroy that section?"

      I never said that's where they made most of their money. I only said that's the only type of retail establishment I still see out of what Media Play offered. Every other item they sold is now usually found as a loss leader to move big ticket electronic items. But there are still places like Barnes and Noble and Borders that may sell other things but still make most of their money off of book sales. Musicland and Best Buy probably didn't have the purchasing power to buy enough volume to keep up with the other book stores so I guess they just eventually gave up and cut their book inventory severely. I didn't mind at the time because I got some wicked good deals on clearance books. I eventually moved about an hour away from my nearest Media Play so I missed the very end, but it was already pretty bad when I left the area.

    18. Re:God Forbid by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, you can always switch directly to Covad. They have decent service, IMHO. It's as simple (hah) as getting an ISP switch form and faxing it to Speakeasy for their approval. They forward it to Covad, and Covad switches you over from using Speakeasy to Covad without disconnecting your DSL at all. Or at last that's the way it's supposed to work. Didn't work when I switched from Earthlink/Covad to Covad, but then again, Earthlink was so incompetent that I wouldn't have expected anything less. :-)

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    19. Re:God Forbid by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I don't know why, but my first response to reading this article was to laugh out loud.

      It reminds me of Fry's Electronics. They used to (or still do?) have a dial-up internet service you can use. I'm sure it's the greatest. *cough*

      Anyway, it makes a lot of sense. They got in trouble for having prices on the internet that lure you to their stores and then display a DIFFERENT site available only internally once you get there to show you that the sale item you came for actually was not on sale and that you must have been mistaken.

      This way, they control your connection to the main site, too! They can watch when you go to a competitor's website and have their servers automatically re-price the competitor's product as it is sent to your browser so everyone except Best Buy seems expensive. This is GENIUS! Well done, Best Buy!

      Okay, one of us has had too much caffeine... and I think I know which one.

    20. Re:God Forbid by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      Well then, I'd say your only option, and same for everyone with Speakeasy service, is to find out where to send letters to BestBuy that state, as non-confrontationally as possible but in crystal clear terms, that you will find another service as soon as there is a change in: and then list exactly what you want to stay the same. If you put general terms, such as "if you make the service worse", even if they do listen (which is unlikely, but you gotta try), they'll manage to convince themselves that pulling a PageFinder is improving.

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    21. Re:God Forbid by Kristoph · · Score: 1

      It's a bit OT but I quit Vonnage but calling them up. I was on hold for maybe 5 minutes and although the sales person tried to persuade me to stay there was no problem at all canceling.

      Although I personally found their call quality lacking (Skype is better) I've never found fault with the Vonnage customer experience.

      ]{

    22. Re:God Forbid by Christianfreak · · Score: 1

      At least with Wal-Mart even though the stuff you buy is crap the prices really are low. At "Best Buy" the stuff is still crap and you pay a premium for it.

      I had looked at going with Speakeasy about a year ago. I'm so very glad I didn't.

    23. Re:God Forbid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      the brain drain there has been terrible in recent times with several key engineering folks leaving for better pastures, i personally left Aug of last year and was glad I got out while the going was good. There are some great people working there who do the best job they can, but they also have a lot of asshat's in charge these days, and I don't imagine this acquisition will make that any better...

      R.I.P. Speazy. :(

    24. Re:God Forbid by bozendoka · · Score: 0

      I worked at Best Buy corporate when they bought MLG. My manager and a couple of other people in my group went to their central warehouse soon after to get a feel for their processes and systems and such. When they got back all they could talk about was what a mess the place was - CDs and tapes all over the floor, product in the wrong bins, that sort of thing. I guess they had a pretty neat semi-automated boxing system, though. No one was really surprised that they were having the trouble that they were. Not that Best Buy was ever able to fix it - they dropped 'em like a hot potato within a few years.

      I worked with the part of Geek Squad that manages the stores that aren't in Best Buys (there are a couple in Minnesota, California, Colorado, and Texas and some inside Office Depots in Florida) from mid '05 to the end of '06. Most of the team was made up of guys who had been agents before Best Buy bought Geek Squad (or before Geek Squad acquired Best Buy as Robert Stephens likes to put it) and they fought tooth and nail to keep the retail attitude out of their stores - they knew it was a service environment and concentrated on metrics that made sense, not selling gift cards and PSPs. They actually fired a chief who had come from a Best Buy store and focused too much on revenue. It was kind of amusing watching them try to explain the concept of a service organization to people from the retail side; the utter, innocent confusion in their eyes when they just couldn't understand why we didn't want to stack shitty eMachines up to the ceiling.

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    25. Re:God Forbid by Y0tsuya · · Score: 1

      If you're on a SDSL line, I think you'll have no problem finding an alternative that's just as good. Most DSL companies devote bandwidth and service to SDSL lines over ADSL lines. SDSL lines are by default considered business lines, and already have a higher service level than ADSL, with open port policies and whatnot.

    26. Re:God Forbid by dru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When are you guys leaving speak easy?
      And more to the point, where are you going?
    27. Re:God Forbid by packeteer · · Score: 1

      I canceled my ADSL today...

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    28. Re:God Forbid by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's interesting that in the entertainment biz, "have fun, and make sure your employees do the same" is usually a formula for making money. Unfortunately, big publically-owned companies like Best Buy have no hope of following that model.

      I have to wonder what they were thinking of when they bought SpeakEasy. SpeakEasy's business model is basically, "We're the geek-friendly ISP." When Best Buy tries to integrate SpeakEasy into their other businesses, "geek-friendly" will certainly be the first thing to go. With nothing to differentiate itself from bigger (and more efficient) ISPs, SpeakEasy won't last very long.

    29. Re:God Forbid by NaDrew · · Score: 1

      It's as simple (hah) as getting an ISP switch form and faxing it to Speakeasy for their approval. They forward it to Covad, and Covad switches you over from using Speakeasy to Covad without disconnecting your DSL at all.
      Where do you get the ISP switch form? This seems like a good way out, since Speakeasy's service is delivered by Covad anyway.
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    30. Re:God Forbid by suitepotato · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It depends on who "owns" the CPE. The partner or the CLEC. Migrations from one to the other are problematic in many many ways. As far as Covad service, well, when you have problems, I hope you enjoy talking to techs at an outsource company in India who are culturally polite to the point of seeming infuriatingly stony to Americans, and more doggedly pathologically script-driven than the California twits from @Home. You do remember, "so your modem is flashing? Have you reloaded Netscape?" don't you?

      Or you can stay with Speakeasy and let their poor saps deal with that, insulating you with a more familiar brand of totally unhelpful.

      Your choice. Welcome to it.

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    31. Re:God Forbid by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the correct term is "ISP Release Form". You can get that from Covad, or at least you could a couple of years ago.

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    32. Re:God Forbid by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Does any Covad provider actually rent the CPE?

      As for the service, in three years, I've never found any need to call them for tech support, but the couple of times I have called them for other reasons (as recently as a couple of months ago), their customer support folks were definitely not at an Indian outsourcing company. Maybe you just got an Indian tech support person somewhere in the U.S., or maybe some of their support is over there, but it definitely isn't all of it.

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    33. Re:God Forbid by NaDrew · · Score: 1

      Seems like it might be the first form on this page. I talked to Covad today, and the rep said they are getting a lot of interest because of the Speakeasy news. Unfortunately they were not able to price-match the contract I currently have with Speakeasy.

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    34. Re:God Forbid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget the GeekSquad mess... Best Buy has been called out for having an internal web site that looks like their external one but with different prices. If they bring the same kind of quality to SpeakEasy, it's as good as dead. Is anyone really surprised that companies deal dishonestly with their customers now days? In my day "Honesty was the best policy", but people today have been taught that it is okay to cheat and mislead just as long as you can make more money.
    35. Re:God Forbid by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I hear you loud and clear.
      I have done custom stereo/home theater installs where the gear was sourced from Magnolia. Used to be communication was awesome and piddly shit didn't matter either way, hey you shorted me a 2 ga connector, now I have to use one from my spares didn't matter on my end, and hey you got an extra couple of banana posts I can snatch? didn't matter at your end. The customer really didn't care so long as it looked good and sounded better. I remember things changing a bit and feeling "off", then I saw a magnolia inside a BB and had a major WTF moment. Never recommended them again :(

      This from someone who's customers bitch about 1F street lightning and similar ilk caps not giving enough response to the amp causing a bit of a sawtooth waveshape and wacko zero crossing artifacts because of the sick volume they are running at!
      (not that they describe it that way, I just get "it sounds funny when I do this" and I bust out a scope and see the artifacts in phase with the sagging ICC from the cap.) Ended up wiring up a 1.5F .0001 ESR cap bank for one customer ($4K later).
      -nB

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  2. Suckage by ender- · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well that kinda sucks. I'm already saddened by the fact that I can't get Speakeasy at my current home. It was always worth the extra money for their service, and static IPs. Now I have to live with the fact that by the time I move to another house, Speakeasy will probably suck as badly as SBC. :(

  3. Thank Goodness! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had always lived in perpetual hope that Speakeasy would be offered in my area. To tell you the truth, it was rather draining, always being excited to check their coverage map. Now I can go back to deciding between the Cable Monopoly and the Phone Monopoly, like nature intended.

  4. AMEN!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in the day when I called up their support with a problem, and mentioned I was using an OpenBSD box as a firewall/gateway the response was: 'cool!' -- slightly different from the response Comcast or Verizon would give. I can't imagine they'll be able to maintain that independence, and there's no way I'm paying a premium for Internet service to Best Buy
  5. A match made in hell by AngryNick · · Score: 1
    Speakeasy is a well-respected and geek-friendly ISP while Best Buy is making headlines for shady dealings.

    All good things must come to an end.

    1. Re:A match made in hell by sfjoe · · Score: 1

      One time I was having trouble with my phone and I had Pac Bell out to fix it. The bonehead repairman managed to disconnect my DSL line (I wondered why he made a beeline for the door when he finished). I called Speakeasy and they told me "no problem" and had me back in business that evening.
      I really can't imagine a shady outfit like Best Buy managing to keep that level of customer service. Does anyone have any recommendations for DSL?

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    2. Re:A match made in hell by TexasDex · · Score: 1

      I've had pretty much the opposite result. I ordered Speakeasy and got the modem, then hooked it up and it worked perfectly without any technician visits. Then Verizon had a technician visit and it stopped working, and no les than 6 technician visits (from both Covad and Verizon) later I decided to cancel. I don't know if this was Speakeasy's fault or Covad's fault or Verizon's fault. My bet is it was Verizon, but I am still pissed that it didn't work.

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  6. Noooooooo by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Noooooooo!

    1. Re:Noooooooo by Harinezumi · · Score: 1

      DO NOT WANT!

    2. Re:Noooooooo by Lisana · · Score: 1

      My comment exactly, upon seeing the story this morning. We've had Speakeasy for a few years now and have been pretty happy with it. Husband says we'll keep it for now, but if we should start having problems, or if they change their policies, then we're gone.

      I mean yeah, sure we buy stuff from Best Buy, but it'd be a cold day in hell before we bought a service plan from them, or took our computers to them ($DIETY forbid!!!) for a repair!

  7. Goodbye Speakeasy by 3m_w018 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Hello Blue Shirt morons.

    I was a happy Speakeasy customer for about a year. Then I moved out of the country, and
    had to cancel my account. I'm wondering what happens now, since Best Buy now has
    access to my information :(

    1. Re:Goodbye Speakeasy by krack · · Score: 3, Informative
      They want Speakeasy's VoIP offerings. From the email I received this morning:

      Why is Best Buy purchasing Speakeasy? Speakeasy is a highly regarded voice and data services provider with national coverage whose values align well with those of Best Buy. Best Buy is seeking to accelerate the growth of Best Buy For Business (BBFB) by providing core communications solutions for small businesses. Speakeasy's array of products offer a simple, understandable value proposition to small business owners, and gives BBFB the opportunity to build and maintain a regular, recurring relationship with customers. From a post on broadbandreports.com:

      When you think of it... ...it's the perfect way to complete Speakeasy's transition to a Business-centric model. How many residential server geeks immediately started thinking about alternatives when they saw this in their inboxes this morning? (threads: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/news,82567~mode=fu ll~days=9999 and http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18070496~da ys=9999)
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    2. Re:Goodbye Speakeasy by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1
      If you're out of the country, why exactly do you care? Your account was already cancelled, too. Are you implying that Best Buy is going to have Speakeasy call your now disconnected phone line in another country to see if you might want to return to them?

      Color me ambivalent about being concerned about this as an "issue", unless there's something blindingly obvious that I'm missing?

    3. Re:Goodbye Speakeasy by 3m_w018 · · Score: 1

      > unless there's something blindingly obvious that I'm missing?

      Yes. It's called mail forwarding. And now my parents mailbox (which is where I get
      US mail forwarded to) will now be filling up with junk mail from my old
      home location. Well, at least for the next 7 months...

      And Speakeasy still has my credit card information. Fortunately, another incident at
      my credit union has resulted in a reissuing of my card, so I won't have to worry about
      BB having that info now :)

    4. Re:Goodbye Speakeasy by j-turkey · · Score: 1

      Why is Best Buy purchasing Speakeasy? Speakeasy is a highly regarded voice and data services provider with national coverage whose values align well with those of Best Buy. Best Buy is seeking to accelerate the growth of Best Buy For Business (BBFB) by providing core communications solutions for small businesses. Speakeasy's array of products offer a simple, understandable value proposition to small business owners, and gives BBFB the opportunity to build and maintain a regular, recurring relationship with customers.

      FWIW, Best Buy For Business is a significantly different operation from the Best Buy retail outlets. Obviously, the retail Best Buy is a bummer, while BBFB has been willing to cut their margins and get me great pricing on enterprise networking equipment. They're doing whatever is necessary to get into the lucrative business sales. If this is the case, the buyout may not be the end for Speakeasy. Then again, BB could easily just gut Speakeasy and take over their voice services.

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  8. Alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I realize that nothing has changed yet regarding Speakeasy. But are there any other ISPs that don't suck?

    1. Re:Alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of DSL providers don't suck. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for most DSL upstream providers.

    2. Re:Alternatives? by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      Yes, there are. Unfortunately, none of them are offered in your area.

      And if you even think that you can get your community to roll out your own ISP, you'll find that, at least in PA, you have to get Comcast and Verizon's permission.

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    3. Re:Alternatives? by billdar · · Score: 1
      A buddy turned me on to Sonic.net.

      Their tech support is great, I've called them several times for line issues and not once have they asked me to reboot, run windows, check the power cord, etc... And since they run over ATT's line, they handle dealing with ATT.

      The only drawback I've had with them is setting up DNS records when they host a domain. The automated feature isn't running, so you have to call them with a set of IP's to get it updated. Still fast, just kind of a pain.

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    4. Re:Alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

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    5. Re:Alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to say Sonic too. The low end service was the same price as SBC, but I could get faster speeds and fixed IP addresses cheaper. The speed is as advertised, and I haven't had a Gateway or DNS outage in two years.

    6. Re:Alternatives? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ahhhh....

      AT&T. Hope you like the Federal Logging features.

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    7. Re:Alternatives? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "A buddy turned me on to Sonic.net. "

      I went to look at their site...was interesting till I happened upon the part where they spoke about 'quotas'.

      I couldn't find exactly what the quota limits were.....but, I'm used to getting a business acct....with no quotas, no blocked ports...etc.

      Doesn't look from first appearances that Sonic offers that?

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    8. Re:Alternatives? by billdar · · Score: 1
      I have their business service (6m/1.5m w/ 8 static IPs). I run small web/mail/dns servers on two of the IPs, and never had anything blocked.

      Until your comment, wasn't aware they limited anything.

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    9. Re:Alternatives? by darrylo · · Score: 1

      They have optional port filtering/firewalling, adjustable to various levels. For new accounts (home, not sure about business), it's enabled, and set to some modest level (port 25 is definitely blocked, as are probably a few other ports). If you want to unblock ports (or really crank things down), you have to go into some member tools page to change the port blocking/firewall settings.

  9. grammar preemtive strike by Bananatree3 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    quandary, not quandry.

    1. Re:grammar preemtive strike by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...ahem...***preemptive***

    2. Re:grammar preemtive strike by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

      *ahem*
      spelling not grammar

    3. Re:grammar preemtive strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Anyway, "quandary" isn't even the correct word. He probably means "quagmire".

    4. Re:grammar preemtive strike by karnal · · Score: 1

      giggedy giggedy!

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      Karnal
  10. DSL speedometer by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have used speakeasy's broadband speed tester a lot. What are they going to do next? How many square inches of plasma screen you get per 1000$? displayed using their distinctive dsl speedometer animation?

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  11. I'm all for this.....IF by fotbr · · Score: 1

    it means I quit getting pestered about buying AOL's "service" every time I run in to BB for anything.

    Granted, I only shop there if I can't wait 3-5 days for shipping, but its still damned annoying.

    1. Re:I'm all for this.....IF by omeomi · · Score: 1

      it means I quit getting pestered about buying AOL's "service" every time I run in to BB for anything.

      Nah, now it's those damned "free" magazine subscriptions...

    2. Re:I'm all for this.....IF by josecanuc · · Score: 1

      Nah, now it's those damned "free" magazine subscriptions...

      My wife signed up for one of the 6-month trials for a magazine at the checkout stand several years ago. We never renewed, never paid any subscription fee and she still receives it. It had to be over 4 years ago. When she has moved, she change the address for her other magazine subscriptions, but not for this particular "trial" subscription. Since the parent publishers were the same, they automatically changed the address on the trial magazine.

      Must be a glitch in their system. We still get it and haven't paid anything for it.

    3. Re:I'm all for this.....IF by soleblaze · · Score: 1

      Generally with those deals you are supposed to cancel your subscription or else it automatically gets renewed. Then you get the bills, and if you don't pay them off to collections for you! Interesting thing happened to me about six years ago. I got guitar world in the mail, but didn't renew my subscription when it ran out. They stopped sending me magazines, but they thought that I was a non paying member so they sent me off to collections. The funny thing about the collections agency is that they had a option # that was just for if you canceled your subscription but got sent to collections for nonpayment on the subscription. Pressed that, put in my subscription # and never heard from them again.. hm..maybe I should get a credit report.

    4. Re:I'm all for this.....IF by anagama · · Score: 1

      Granted, I only shop there if I can't wait 3-5 days for shipping, but its still damned annoying.

      I would think that if you are shopping at a "Best" Buy, there are likely to be other options in the area. For example, I live in a town of about 75k people, and I haven't had to shop at "Best" Buy in over three years. Haven't even set foot in the door. There's a Circuit City in a pinch. A Compucare which is actually a great store. Two completely local stores, one of which I use a lot. Even Fred Meyer (a sort of combined supermarket/K-mart type place) has some basic stuff like memory and harddrives -- Office Max comes to mind as well and you can even find oddly branded routers at Home Depot (a lumber/home store).

      As an aside, building a relationship with the local shops is a great idea. One of the local shops I frequent is near my office. When a computer stopped running, the guy who owns it lent me a powersupply so I could troubleshoot the machine. Think "Best" Buy would ever lend you anything? That turned into about $200 for him when I bought a new supply and a chunky UPS to counteract the brownouts I get every time the fax fires up. Another time, He lent me a hex driver so I could fix something on my cell phone. I didn't buy anything that day but he knows I'll be back.

      Anyway, look around, certainly there will be an alternative to "Bust" Buy. It seems unlikely that "Best" Buy would actually be the only place that has something critical -- for everything else, mail order.
      --
      What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
  12. well by hyperstation · · Score: 0

    rest in peace speakeasy, a halfway decent provider of DSL and VOIP services. are there any other naked pair (no landline phone service required) providers out there?

  13. Well there goes nothing.... by LordPhantom · · Score: 2

    Let's think about this for a moment:

    ISP for geeks now owned by a company that is beholden to "big media" interests.

    I'm sure this will end well....

  14. Sad by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I felt like I had been punched when I saw the email this morning.

    silly to feel like that over an ISP, but dang, speakeasy was awesome, and best buy--well...not so much a fan. Like their stores, but that's about it.

    1. Re:Sad by IANAAC · · Score: 1
      Agreed. I've been with three diferent ISPs over the last 12-13 years, and Speakeasy is by FAR the best I've ever had. Tech support is top notch. They let me do whatever I want with my connection, with whatever platform I choose.

      I really, REALLY hope that nothing changes, but I'm fearing it will. They say that Speakeasy will continue to handle all support, etc., but frankly, that means nothing if Best Buy ends up cutting Speakeasy's staff to a skeleton crew.

    2. Re:Sad by Bob+The+Cowboy · · Score: 1

      I had the exact same reaction. I have a speakeasy account with two static IP's and I love it, I run a few very small (but endlessly useful to me!) servers and I never have to worry about getting disconnected. I think I've suffered only one disconnection in my service in... 3 years. And that was only for as long as it took me to call them up and ask them what the problem was.

      Sad, sad, sad.

      Bill

    3. Re:Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was how I felt too. Sheesh, I dunno about the whole Best Buy chain, but judging by the store near me even Radio Shack is less inept.

    4. Re:Sad by misleb · · Score: 1

      that means nothing if Best Buy ends up cutting Speakeasy's staff to a skeleton crew.


      I think that only happens when a) the parent means to drive the company into the ground (and take their customers and patents) or b) when there are redundancies between the two companies. Fortunately, I don't think either is the case here. Best Buy would have no reason to drive Speakeasy into the ground and they don't have much in common as far as business, so I think Speakeasy is safe in that regard.

      -matthew
      --
      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    5. Re:Sad by gumbright · · Score: 1

      No, I agree. I have had almost zero problems with speakeasy and on those rare occasions when I needed support, they treated me like I had a brain.

      I can't say I have a good feeling about this.

    6. Re:Sad by bfields · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've only had to use the tech support a couple times, but they've been competent and polite. Which means Speakeasy has been spending money to recruit, train, and keep pretty good staff. I hope they can continue to afford to do that....

    7. Re:Sad by nine-times · · Score: 1

      It would normally be silly to feel that way over an ISP, but Speakeasy has been the only ISP that felt to me like it was "one of the good guys". They offered naked DSL with static IPs at a reasonable price, and had pretty good support, too. Practically every other ISP has been utterly horrible, unless maybe you step up to the point of having multiple T1s or a T3, and then suddenly they're afraid of losing your business and might give you decent support. *Might*

    8. Re:Sad by bangwhistle · · Score: 1

      I too was alarmed to see this email from the Bruce (Speakeasy CEO) today. I've been a Speakeasy customer for several years, the service has been great, the few times I've had to call support it's always gone well. I've got static IPs, they run secondary DNS for me, speeds are always "as advertised." It costs more than service from the phone company, but well worth it. Now I'm not sure. The fact that Bruce's email mentions "small business" over and over again makes we wonder if they have decided to let the consumer market wither away. Maybe going direct with Covad IS the way to go, just let that email address go....

    9. Re:Sad by Darlantan · · Score: 1

      Oh, God no. Stay away from Covad. I deal with them multiple times a week through work, and they're utterly mired in corporate bureaucracy. You can't get anything done in an expedient manner without devine intervention, or a friend who is a VP. They've sent almost all of their support department to India, as well, which means you end up dealing with script drones which you may or may not be able to understand. It's simply awful.

      As for dispatches, you'd be better off just laying new copper/fiber yourself and starting your own company. It'd certainly be less painful that way. Turnaround times are generally pretty lousy, and Covad techs seem eager to blow off appointments for any reason they can.

      --
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    10. Re:Sad by sirket · · Score: 2

      I've been with SpeakEasy since 2000. I've signed countless other people up with SpeakEasy. The moment I got the email this morning I replied to it. I listed all of Best Buy's awful tactics, said I would never shop at Best Buy so why would I want my Internet access from them? I asked them if they couldn't possibly have found a better match than an awful retailer like Best Buy.

      I think every SpeakEasy customer should send them an email and let them know what we think of this. I appreciate that the people who founded SpeakEasy want to make money for all their hard work- but they did so by building a community and now they are spitting on it. Hold out for a better match damnit.

      Ironically enough this was actually the subject line of a spam I got this morning- I read it, thought it was a joke and went to SpeakEasy's web site only to be horrified by what I saw.

      -Don

    11. Re:Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that best buy has more or less driven every other company they have bought into the ground, intentially or untintentially, doesn't speak well for speakeasy's chances.

    12. Re:Sad by Envy+Life · · Score: 1

      and best buy--well...not so much a fan. Like their stores, but that's about it.

      Right... the same way you hate Dunkin Donuts as you get their coffee and a donut on the way to work every day?
    13. Re:Sad by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      I don't actually like coffee or donuts particularly :-)

      no, what i meant is, I have no problem with their stores, but I DO have a problem with their services which I have not at all been impressed with.

    14. Re:Sad by kcbnac · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting one VERY important thing, that often leads to companies driving their newly-acquired divisions into the ground:

      Profits

    15. Re:Sad by malachid69 · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. They literally lost my loyalty overnight.

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  15. This is bad by Darth+Maul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I specifically chose Speakeasy for my DSL because of how open they are with customer usage patterns and configurations. Like the submitter, I call up and say I have a Linux box as my gateway and they love it. They don't cap bandwidth, block ports, etc. I'm sure they'll claim "nothing will change" but I cannot imagine Best Buy leaving this alone... They'll require Vista for connections or something silly like that (for "security reasons").

    Sigh. Time to start shopping around for small DSL providers again.

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    1. Re:This is bad by blincoln · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm sure they'll claim "nothing will change"

      Things are already changing.

      I signed up with Speakeasy several years ago, and was always impressed with their quick and friendly tech support. I also liked supporting a business that had grown from a small local company to something more successful - I remember using the monochrome dumb terminals they had for free lynx usage in their coffeehouse back in the mid-90s.

      In December I decided to switch to their OneLink product, because I wasn't using my home phone anymore. It took a month for them to send someone from Covad out and to call the right number when they got there. I ended up taking 3-4 days off of work because (unlike the phone/cable/power companies) Covad can't be bothered to keep keys to locked utility rooms at apartment buildings. However, once it was finally hooked up it worked great, even if I did have to buy yet another DSL modem.

      Then, a month after I switched, they sent me a bill with an extra $300 tacked on for "missed appointments" with the Covad techs. I called them up and they would only remove one of them. I figured there was no way out of it and paid it but decided to cancel my service. When I did, they told me that by using it for more than 25 days, I had implicitly agreed to a 12-month contract with a $300 early termination fee. I asked them how it was possible to agree to a contract without signing anything, speaking anything, or even clicking on an "I accept" type button, but they insisted it was true. I'm still disputing that fee.

      I suppose they were just gearing up to switch over to the Best Buy model of customer "service". It was especially thoughtful of them to not bill me for the alleged "missed appointments" until I'd already supposedly agreed to their 12-month "contract".

      --
      "...always new atoms but always doing the same dance, remembering what the dance was yesterday." -Richard Feynman
    2. Re:This is bad by KC7GR · · Score: 1

      If I may make a suggestion -- I've been with Drizzle Internet for over five years. I run fully self-hosted, including two authoritative DNS boxen, and Drizzle has never had an issue with it.

      When I first called them up, I told them "Look, all I want is a DSL pipe and six static IP's. I'll do the rest." They said "No problem... Let me get an installation date for you."

      Uptime has been incredible. I've only had two notable outages. First was when some chain-link fence grunts drove a fencepost through an underground phone cable (knocking out everyone in my neighborhood in the process), and the other was a bad network switch in their data center, which was promptly replaced.

      No matter what you decide, happy hunting.

      --

      Bruce Lane, KC7GR,

      Blue Feather Technologies

    3. Re:This is bad by kebes · · Score: 1

      My sentiments exactly. I spent alot of time looking at the different Internet offerings when I moved to where I am now. Eventually I went with Speakeasy, and I've been quite happy with them. Yes, they are more expensive, but they don't block port 80, which means I can run a proper webserver, and they don't throttle any traffic. Plus when you talk to someone on the phone or via email, they actually know what they are talking about. (When they asked "how did you hear about us" and I said "Slashdot" his reply was "cool" and not "what's that?" Similarly when I said I'd be running Linux servers.)

      Being owned by Best Buy can't possibly end well for Speakeasy customers. The Best Buy model is to cut corners and slash anything that is not part of their mainstay. How many Linux computers do they sell at Best Buy? So if Best Buy puts pressure on Speakeasy to appeal to the "most common customer" (i.e.: only cares about lowest price, doesn't think about quality of data connection), then Speakeasy will simply become another run-of-the-mill DSL provider.... which means that all their customers will disappear.

      Basically Speakeasy has carved out a niche where they offer higher-than-average service to those who are willing to pay for it. If they lose sight of that, they will lose their customer base and die a painful death.

    4. Re:This is bad by vilain · · Score: 1

      I tried switching to Speakeasy some years ago when they had a promotion in the SF Bay area. I went on-line to sign up and got an appointment for Covad to install my line. It came and went and eventually Covad said I was to far away from the AT&T central office to get DSL. And the account person wouldn't honor the promotional rate of the ad a faxed to her office.

      I ended up canceling, not having to pay a dime. And I filed a 'bait and switch' complaint with the Washington State attourney general. Seems I'm not the only one that got this "special" treatment from them and Covad.

      And when AT&T finally offered DSL, it was way slower than Comcast's cable modem service. It seems I am a the very edge of the service area. I still wouldn't pay for "service" that was out for 10 days out of 14, so I cancelled AT&T's DSL.

      At least when I call tech support for my mom-and-pop ISP, I get the sysadmin directly rather than someone in India.

    5. Re:This is bad by holden+caufield · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not quite sure I'd recommend Drizzle. It all depends on your needs. Maybe they're good simply running a server. I've been a customer of theirs (with Qwest being the DSL provider) for about the same time - five, maybe six years, I forget. I don't run dedicated servers, but I am an internet user who loves using bittorrent to trade live concerts.

      I will attest that their uptime for straight DSL/ISP service has been pretty solid. Maybe one unscheduled outage per year - max, but things are getting worse - especially since being purchased by a larger ISP whose name escapes me. Their email services are really lacking these days Other issues: 10 MB total for an inbox? Not to mention their connectivity to their webmail (a SquirrelMail interface) is at best dicey on a weekly basis. Their customer support folks, while knowledgeable and helpful, are only available business hours M-F. Each of these complaints might have seemed quaint a few years ago, but now it's getting tiresome. The main reason I don't get rid of drizzle (other than being too lazy to set up my own domain and mail forwarding) is that I don't think I'll be able to find 1.5MB/1.0MB ADSL service elsewhere for $50 a month.

      It's been a good ride with Drizzle. I'm sorry Speakeasy got purchased. On more than one occasion I considered jumping to them from Drizzle. I don't know who's left, as it's been a long time since I've searched for ISPs. Maybe Blarg is still around? Can anyone attest to them?

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    6. Re:This is bad by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It was super sad when that coffehouse burnt down. I remember walking by and being shocked when i saw the speak easy gutted. That place was really cool. A good part of Seattle.

    7. Re:This is bad by krack · · Score: 1

      Who is your mom-and-pop ISP?

      There are a LOT of Speakeasy customers who want an alternative (myself included), so please don't skimp on the references.

      --
      Just because you are not paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you.
    8. Re:This is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The $300 "missed appointments" ($150 missed appointment fee x2) and the additional $300 early termination fee is presented to you by Covad through Speakeasy. Covad is a massive DSL line carrier and Speakeasy piggy-backs Covad with their Internet service in an almost Master-Blaster type way. Covad will present the charges to Speakeasy who informs the customer and then gets it in the ear. As you can tell, I worked for Speakeasy and as a PTA I handled many, many calls regarding these fees. The Speakeasy terms of service states the 12 month contract term and other fees that can apply for various reasons. (ie, missed appoinments, early termination) No, these terms aren't discussed very often with your Speakeasy sales rep, but if you were aware of these you would probably have never signed up for Speakeasy in the first place.

      This has nothing to do with Best Buy acquiring Speakeasy, this is how the Speakeasy/Covad relationship works and I wouldn't expect it to change.

    9. Re:This is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, even a year ago I still had excellent service. Covad appointments still suck, but unfortunately there's not much you can do when you have to use a 3rd party.

      However, for some unknown reason I am much farther away wire distance from the CO than I am actual geographical distance (~4x as far). Thus the speed is horrible. As much as I like their policies, I told them that it just wasn't acceptable. They were willing to cancel service as a "Technically not feasible" (TNF) which automatically frees you from any contractional obligation no matter how far into the contract you are. However they also offered to throw in a ton of extras and drop the rate to almost half of the lowest advertised price.

      So now I have pretty much every premium service they offer including 'onelink,' a 'get out of contract free card' and am paying roughly the line cost (not much over the cost of basic phone service).

      At the time though, the trick was to send detailed technical reports when your support request. Give them enough detailed technical content that the first 2-3 tiers of tech support are completely baffled and will escalate with little effort. "Look buddy, I know the line is plugged in properly. The problem is the S/N ratio is only X dB and I'm getting Y CRC failures per minute. If you boost the signal and reprovision the speed to Z, we might be able to hold link"

    10. Re:This is bad by curlynoodle · · Score: 1

      I feel your pain, as I had a similar install experience with Covad. Unfortunately, Speakeasy is at the whim of local telco service providers. Covad charges Speakeasy when you miss an appointment. What option do they have but to recover their costs. Everything remains a business.

    11. Re:This is bad by Y0tsuya · · Score: 1
      SE not capping bandwidth is a myth. They now cap you at 100GB/month. I say now because the usage cap changed over time (gets lower). Here's last email I got from them before I had enough. I think we all pay an extra "SE tax" to avoid being hassled, so this just boils my blood. I switched to a sonic.net business-T line last month, and couldn't be happier. I pay 2x what I pay SE (ADSL + phone), and get 5x the guaranteed bandwidth, plus a T1 SLA.

      ----email----

      We spoke in December regarding utilization patterns and p2p usage on your DSL circuit...

      Your usage patterns for the last few months.
      9/1-9/15 45.5 Gigs
      9/16-9/30 98.5 Gigs
      10/1-10/15 104 Gigs
      10/16-10/31 107.7 Gigs
      11/1-11/15 80 Gigs ß this month, and the months before are not a problem
      11/1-11/30 79 Gigs - this month had a massive spike, in a short period, which triggered our investigation
      12/1-12/31 214 Gigs ßthis happened *after* we spoke
      1/1-1/26 103 Gigs

      Please refer to our Terms of Service with regard to utilization patterns www.speakeasy.net/tos/#moderation

      "... Speakeasy can normally balance that cost and utilization while continuing to provide great service to all customers. Customers will not be charged for the bandwidth consumed, nor do we have specific limits or caps on that bandwidth. If you utilize any of your Speakeasy services in a manner which consumes excessive bandwidth or affects Speakeasy's core equipment, overall network performance, or other users' services, Speakeasy may require that you cease or alter these activities."

      I must ask you to keep the use of p2p at a level substantially LESS THAN what your routine use.

      Services will be interrupted, and possibly terminated should a lasting change of this pattern not be seen. If you need a number to work with, consider the rate of no more than 25 gigs per week, or about 100 gigs per month downloaded. It is not a hard rule, as I mentioned when we spoke.... You may have days of more activity, but also days of less activity... this is to be expected. But chronically high p2p downloading patterns averaging great then 25 gigs per week will not be permitted.

      You may call to discuss, if you wish.

      Best regards,

      Lawrence McBride
      Executive Escalation Manager

    12. Re:This is bad by flink · · Score: 1

      I've had dock.net for three years and they're fantastic. I've only had to call them once. And I've only had a few downtimes that I've noticed.

  16. April Fools by yppiz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please tell me this is an early April Fools.

    Please?

    I hope they hold it together, but if they don't, there's Sonic.net which is like Speakeasy without the marketing budget.

    --Pat

    1. Re:April Fools by bessie · · Score: 1

      Yay! Another Sonic-lover like me!

      - Tim

    2. Re:April Fools by Osty · · Score: 1

      I hope they hold it together, but if they don't, there's Sonic.net which is like Speakeasy without the marketing budget.

      You mean to say that Sonic.net is staffed by a bunch of fuck-ups who wouldn't know customer service if it bit them on the ass?

      I guess I should qualify my hate for Speakeasy. Many years ago (in the 2000-2003 timeframe, before I bought a house out of DSL range) I was a DSL subscriber. I first set up with Concentric, who then became XO and then dropped consumer DSL. While I was grandfathered in, I decided to switch providers in order ensure proper support. At the time I had heard very good things about Speakeasy, so I switched over. When I did so, they said my existing 1.5/384 loop qualified for their $60/mo service (or whatever it was at the time, maybe it was $90/mo?), so I filled out the paperwork and pulled the trigger on the switch. That was my first mistake.

      • Screw up #1: Speakeasy didn't get me entered into their billing system correctly, which meant I was amassing a backlog of charges and didn't even know about it.
      • Screw up #2: I had a straight-up ADSL line, not a RADSL or whatever sort of line they were expecting in their cheap 1.5/384 plan. When they finally sorted out the billing problem, I got hit with a $750 bill for a 3-month backlog. $750 on a $90/mo plan? It turns out that I wasn't on their $90/mo plan, but on a $250/mo 1.5/384 ADSL plan because of the line Concentric had set up (BTW, the exact same loop with Concentric/XO was $90/mo, not $250/mo).
      • Screw up #3: By the time all of this came to light, Speakeasy had conveniently changed their plans and prices such that I could no longer get the 1.5/384 line I wanted at the $90/mo price.
      After much negotiating (as in, weeks of phone calls and escalations), I finally got the backlog charges cancelled in exchange for switching to a more expensive SDSL plan (768/768 for ~$150/mo, I think). All was going well for several months until I started having periodic outages that could only be solved by power-cycling the modem multiple times. I called tech support every time this happened, which was once or twice a week at that point. Finally, ~9 months into having the problem and at 12 months + a couple days (important: in other words, the end of the modem warranty period), Speakeasy tech support finally gave in to what I had been saying for months and suggested I replace the modem. Of course at that point the modem was out of warranty and they wanted $200 for a new SDSL modem.
      • Screw up #4: Part of this was my fault for not pressing the bad modem angle harder, but SE tech support continually insisted that the problem was with the loop while Covad and Verizon techs (ie, the guys who own the loop) kept telling me and SE that the problem was not on their end.
      Due to the fact that I had documentation of this problem going back for months (that is, before the end of the warranty period), I was able to get them to replace the modem for free but not until after multiple phone calls and escalations.

      Since that time, I bought a house outside of DSL range and moved to Comcast cable internet. Aside from a physical issue early on in my subscription (water damage on the line at the street), I've never had a problem at all. I may not be able to run a server out of my home on Comcast's network as I could on Speakeasy's, but with the money I'm saving I can afford to pay a hosting company to do that for me. As well, the reliability has been excellent and tech support doesn't dick around -- if they can't fix the problem in 5 minutes, they send out a tech for free.

    3. Re:April Fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Screw up #4: Part of this was my fault for not pressing the bad modem angle harder, but SE tech support continually insisted that the problem was with the loop while Covad and Verizon techs (ie, the guys who own the loop) kept telling me and SE that the problem was not on their end.

      One of the major reasons I signed up wth Sonic three years ago was that having Sonic means never having to put up with PacBell's/SBC's/ATT's horseshit. Sonic runs interference for you all the way. They have the technical competence to shout the telco idiots down -- the ones who think they can wear you out with finger-pointing, telling you to reinstall your OS and similar crap. When there's a problem, Sonic can diagnose where it lies and will fix it themselves on their end (on the rare occasion that it's their own problem) or call the telco and tell the telco techs what they need to fix it on the telco's end.

      Actually, I did have to talk to SBC once, but that was only to schedule a truck roll to fix a bad connection in my local B-box. But Sonic did all the grunt work to convince SBC it was an SBC problem.

      Being with Sonic has likely saved me a hundred hours of wait time and/or voice-menu hell with various incarnations of our local unfriendly, ever-name-changing Pacific coast telco.

      Fortunately I don't care about baseball, so I don't have to keep track of what they're calling the San Francisco ballpark this week.

    4. Re:April Fools by Osty · · Score: 1

      One of the major reasons I signed up wth Sonic three years ago was that having Sonic means never having to put up with PacBell's/SBC's/ATT's horseshit. Sonic runs interference for you all the way. They have the technical competence to shout the telco idiots down -- the ones who think they can wear you out with finger-pointing, telling you to reinstall your OS and similar crap. When there's a problem, Sonic can diagnose where it lies and will fix it themselves on their end (on the rare occasion that it's their own problem) or call the telco and tell the telco techs what they need to fix it on the telco's end.

      I've heard all the bad stories about CLECs and ILECs, but my experiences with Covad and Verizon were always positive. They were always ahead of schedule on loop installs, and they never tried to shift the blame to someone else when it was their problem (although I never had a problem with any loop -- it was always Speakeasy trying to tell me that it was a loop problem when in actuality it was either a problem on their end or with my modem). Had my new house been in DSL range, I probably would've switched over to Covad's DSL offerings and ditched Speakeasy anyway. As it worked out, I've been with cable far longer than I was ever on DSL and it's been much better aside from the one minor hiccup I already mentioned at the start of my contract (the previous owners of my house used satellite and dialup, so the water damage problem likely had been there for quite a while before I moved in).

      Sadly, all of this took place in Speakeasy's home city, the Seattle area. I realize my single data point is one bad mark in a sea of good marks for Speakeasy, but if they can screw up so royally in the city where they got their start then I shudder to think what their service is like elsewhere in the country.

  17. Damn by rainmayun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A few years back, at the time I signed up for Speakeasy DSL, they were the only decent ISP who would serve me. Verizon said I was too far from the CO (mechanized loopback test said 17000 feet) and they weren't eager to build new infrastructure in a zip where the median age of residents is 60-something. Comcast didn't have the capacity in my neighborhood development, although their flyer route drivers didn't seem to know that. Speakeasy said "sure" and I got 1.2 Mbps down and the line was clean. I have 2 static IPs, one on a FC5 box and one shared on a wireless router amongst 2 (and sometimes more) Windows boxes, and all for $42 a month. I was on the verge of getting rid of my Verizon POTS, even though it would push up the DSL cost $15. But the main reason I stayed with Speakeasy was the cheap static IPs, no complaints about what services I run, and knowledgeable tech support. I swore I would never ever give Comcast another dime of my money for any service, and I really don't care for Verizon support. But if Speakeasy goes the way of Geek Squad, or in any way resembles Best Buy customer service practices, I might just give up completely.

    Anybody know any other independent ISPs left who might not treat home techies like criminals for running something besides Windows?

    1. Re:Damn by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Comcast didn't have the capacity in my neighborhood development, although their flyer route drivers didn't seem to know that.

      You think that's bad? SkyBlue has signs all over California but they're not currently selling to anywhere on the west coast.

      I mean we're talking about advertisements in a whole fucking state in which they don't provide service.

      And of course, they're not selling because they're already oversubscribed.

      If you're a decision-maker at SkyBlue, here's a big fuck you to you.

      --
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    2. Re:Damn by Merc248 · · Score: 1

      I use ISOMEDIA. I have a Qwest line provisioned by them running at around 7 Mbps/896 kbps, and though it DOES cost a little more than the Qwest bundle (when you take into account that they offer satellite TV... like that's of any use in Seattle), they are totally fine with whatever operating systems and whatever online applications you choose to use.

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    3. Re:Damn by �berhund · · Score: 1

      I used ISOMEDIA for a while about 3 years back. Good service, very reliable. Only reason I switched was because I moved.

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    4. Re:Damn by dmuth · · Score: 1

      I use DCANet. They have a "don't ask don't tell" policy about running servers, Bittorrent, and the like. Residential service gets you 5 static IPs (assigned via DHCP based on your MAC address, so you don't have to worry about subnet and netmask insanity) and custom DNS PTR records are set if you ask nicely. :-) They even have a outage mailing list to inform customers of scheduled maintenance, which is something I'd never expect to see happen from Comcast or Verizon.

      I've been with them since 2004 and the only significant unscheduled outage I ever had was when there was a fiber cut once. Other than that, I have found them to be quite reliable and reasonable.

  18. Re:OpenBSD as a firewall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'd sooner run a Windows firewall, or even the Mossad-backdoored Checkpoint Firewall-1, before I'd run a piece of crap like OpenBSD as my firewall. Seriously, one time I called Theo DeRaadt (who is by all accounts a super-nice guy) at home for support, and he told me to FUCK OFF! Can you believe it?
    It could be worse - if you called Ballmer at home and asked for Vista help, he'd probably beat you with a chair.
  19. Goodbye Speakeasy by edheler · · Score: 1

    As a long time customer of Speakeasy I will be switching ISPs as soon as I can find a suitable replacement company. The only reason I can think of for this move is that the founders of Speakeasy wanted to cash out. This move certainly is not in the best interest of their customers. Did Best Buy acquire Speakeasy only for their organization? I can't imagine that they would think they could retain Speakeasys customers.

  20. DSLExtreme by vyrus128 · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those in areas where it's possible, I'd strongly suggest dropping Speakeasy and switching to DSLExtreme. That's who I use, and much like Speakeasy they offer free static IPs and no restrictions on the usage of your line.

    1. Re:DSLExtreme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use DSLExtreme, and have no complaints. But they don't give out free static IPs. Maybe it's location-depedent. Where are you?

    2. Re:DSLExtreme by vyrus128 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I guess we got grandfathered in -- when we first signed up, all they had were static IPs. Of course, I think we may still be paying the higher price, too -- it looks like what they did was offer a dynamic IP discount, but leave the static packages where they were in price.

    3. Re:DSLExtreme by weeeee · · Score: 1

      Another satisfied DSLExtreme customer. I have a 6.0mbps/768k line out to NY via Covad. I actually ordered a 1 static IP plan, but apparently Covad gave me a /29 anyways. Uptime has been sweet, even though I'm at the fringe of the range for 6.0mbps. They have no problems with servers and no port blocking. I went with them previously because their plans were cheaper than Speakeasy.

    4. Re:DSLExtreme by nytes · · Score: 1

      I just started with DSLExtreme about a month ago, as a prelude to weaning myself off Time Warner and RoadRunner.

      No, static IP's aren't free, at least not in my area.

      But the service has been good.

      I got the low-end, 768K down package. Since they consider "acceptable" service to be the bottom end of the scale (which I think was 384K down), and my phone wiring is vintage 1957 and jury rigged (extended) by the previous owner, I fully expected 384K was the best I'd get.

      Well, wha'd'ya' know? Test sites indicate around 650k down, and general download speeds indicate that I frequently must be hitting 700K+.

      So I'm thrilled. But I do wonder if it might be worth paying the extra $1/mo. and getting the 1.5M package. The lower threshold on that package is still 384K, though, so I'm still thinking about it.

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  21. Speakeasy. by kupoking · · Score: 1

    I knew the day would one day come, Infact I thought it would have happened sooner.
    BUT I NEVER thought BestBuy ........?

    I still hold alot of fond memories from Speakeasy and the fact that Bestbuy is thier sugerdaddy isnt going to
    make me love the EZ any less.

    User B. or be squared,
    -Kupoking-

  22. I guess the American Dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    really is to sell out to big business.

  23. Uh Oh... by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    I knew this would happen eventually. I've been with Speakeasy since 2001 for my DSL service and I've only been as satisfied with one other ISP in the past. The problem with the previous ISP is that they got bought out by another larger ISP who basically screwed all of the old customers. For example, with mail, they "merged" the two domains. They took all of the accounts from my ISP (including my own e-mail account of five years) and basically dumped any duplicates. I used to be eno@isp1.example and they dumped my account so that eno@isp2.example could continue to use that address. They said that user had the address long before I did. This is only true if they eliminate the original domain that my account existed in. So after that, I bought my own domain and started hosting my own mail. Never again will that happen.

    But now, I'm not sure what to think. Best Buy is absolutely notorious for screwing their customers and messing up everything they do as a business as long as it's in their favor. I have a feeling that my legacy account with Speakeasy (containing a static IP) will probably be one of the first things to be dumped once they start making changes. Speakeasy doesn't currently offer quite the same thing that I have now for the same low price that they once did, but since I'm legacy it works out in my favor. Of course from Best Buy's corporate policies I will probably be seen as a "bad customer" and get fired. Here's to Best Buy: Fuck you assholes.

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  24. Speakeasy by pHZero · · Score: 5, Informative
    As an existing Speakeasy customer, the e-mail I received from them this morning made me uneasy, but I'm willing to stick around for a while and see how things go.

    Here was the text of the e-mail I received:

    Dear Speakeasy Members,

    Today is an historic and exciting day for Speakeasy.

    I am pleased to announce that Speakeasy has been acquired by Best Buy, an innovative and growing Fortune 100 company and the top consumer electronics retailer in North America. This is a significant milestone for our company as our new relationship will help us realize our goals of becoming the No. 1 provider of voice and data solutions to small businesses. It is important to note that though Speakeasy will now be a wholly owned subsidiary of Best Buy, we will continue to operate as a standalone, independent operating division with headquarters in Seattle.

    Speakeasy will be an important part of the Best Buy For Business service that delivers simple, reliable, and affordable technology solutions to small businesses. Speakeasy's array of broadband voice, data and managed services offerings will be the focal point of the Best Buy For Business communications solutions. This agreement is a major step forward for our company. While our business remains strong, our relationship with Best Buy provides us with additional resources and brand recognition, while opening new sales channels which will dramatically accelerate our growth.

    Best Buy, like Speakeasy, is known for its high level of customer service. Our reputation as a trusted provider of voice and data services with stellar customer service will not change. Our values are similar too -- Best Buy shares our customer passion, respect for individuals, and drive to do the right thing while achieving results. All aspects of your service will continue to be managed by Speakeasy and the excellent service and support you expect will continue uninterrupted.

    Best Regards,

    Bruce Chatterley

    President & CEO, Speakeasy, Inc.

    GENERAL INFORMATION

    What are Best Buy and Speakeasy announcing today?

    Best Buy has agreed to acquire Speakeasy, a privately-held voice and data solutions company based in Seattle, WA. Speakeasy will be aligned under the Best Buy For Business (BBFB) unit, enhancing Best Buy's technology portfolio and ability to help small businesses improve their productivity and cut costs.

    Why is Best Buy purchasing Speakeasy?

    Speakeasy is a highly regarded voice and data services provider with national coverage whose values align well with those of Best Buy. Best Buy is seeking to accelerate the growth of Best Buy For Business (BBFB) by providing core communications solutions for small businesses. Speakeasy's array of products offer a simple, understandable value proposition to small business owners, and gives BBFB the opportunity to build and maintain a regular, recurring relationship with customers.

    Who is Best Buy? Where are they located?

    Best Buy Co., Inc (NYSE: BBY) is one of the nation?s leading retailers of technology and entertainment products and services. Their mission is to give customers great experiences - whether they are shopping for consumer electronics, home-office products, entertainment software and appliances, or using those products and related-services in their homes or offices. Best Buy's corporate campus is located in Richfield, Minnesota and it operates over 1,150 stores across the U.S., Canada, and China.

    Why would a retailer buy a technology company?

    One of Speakeasy's core product offerings is Voice over IP (VoIP), which is becoming a popular choice for small businesses who seek efficient and cost-effective telecommunications services. Best Buy For Business' mission is to deliver simple, reliable, and affordable technology solutions to small businesses. A product offering such as VoIP, which has immediate compelling appeal to most SBs based on cost savings and simplicity, is an attractive value proposition that allows Best Buy to round out its

    1. Re:Speakeasy by digigasm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fourth paragraph, first sentence:

      "Best Buy, like Speakeasy, is known for its high level of customer service."

      Since when?

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    2. Re:Speakeasy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Best Buy, like Speakeasy, is known for its high level of customer service.


      I don't know about other changes, but it looks like Speakeasy has already adapted to Best Buy's standards of truthfulness and honesty.

    3. Re:Speakeasy by kcbnac · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Speakeasy, but Best Buy's Customer Care Support Center is on the top floor of the building its on at Corporate...

  25. I'm HopeFul by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

    If they've got Best Buy, they'll make them suck more, but they'll get more penetration. More broadband choice would be great, and even a degraded Speakeasy has to be better than Comcast or Verizon.

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  26. What Does This Say About BB? by asphaltjesus · · Score: 1

    I'm more interested to hear that BB has run out of growth opportunities on the floor of their stores.

    I would also hazard a guess and say their status as a subsidiary that can run itself is wholly temporary. The few mega-corporations I've dealt with all have terrible sicknesses "not invented here" and "better managed by corporate" that comes with the appearance of success.

    As long as they do stunts like this and keep killing their acquisitions, BB will die the slow death so many other retailers have before them.

    Anyone invested in Worst Buy http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BBY&t=5y should get out now.

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  27. Not just Best Buy, but Best Buy For Business by valderost · · Score: 1
    I saw this announcement in my mailbox this morning, and one of the things that struck me was that Speakeasy will be branded as a "Best Buy For Business" service. The announcement was exclusively business focused and made no mention of the many residential customers Speakeasy serves.

    With line sharing becoming difficult after last year's UNE-P decision, combined with a new corporate overlord, Speakeasy's already premium prices are probably going to go above what most of their residential users will bear. It probably makes sense from a business perspective, but for the residential users, I can only think that it's going to cause a loud sucking sound coming from the phone line.

    1. Re:Not just Best Buy, but Best Buy For Business by asphaltjesus · · Score: 1

      That's because Corporate Managers are all doing a circle jerk for the Small to Medium Business (SMB) customer thinking there are more attractive returns in that segment.

      From Worst Buy's perspective, SMB is a large part of the American Economy that retailers like Costco have serviced.

      SMB is supposedly fertile ground for IT (microsoft) too, though I personally haven't seen very many that bought into the frequent upgrade cycles and service contracts. They tend to be quite practical and dismiss the BS.

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  28. It's a little early... by Retalin · · Score: 1

    It's a little early to jump the gun that this will ruin Speakeasy... yah yah we all saw what "happened" with Geeksquad but it was garbage to begin with. Speakeasy is a good company and with it running as an independent operation it should be fine.

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  29. wow by yodleboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Speakeasy CEO Bruce Chatterley = lady Chatterley's lover?

    wonder what they will name this?
    "BestSpeak?"
    "BuyEasy?"
    "SpeakEasy Highspeed Broadband DSL Internet Service presented by Best Buy"

    I have visions of non stop best buy pop ups when you sign on. gahhhh.

    1. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sign on? Speakeasy's current offering is grow-up DSL service. No PPPoE, not proxy rerouting, no nothing. You pay for bandwidth, you get bandwidth, and within very broad limits what you do with it is your problem (Including, to a great deal, security).

      If they mess with this I'll be very displeased.

  30. Do they offer a no-dialtone service? by IANAAC · · Score: 1
    That was a major reason I went with Speakeasy: to get completely away from SBC's overpriced dialtone.

    Does DSLExtreme offer anything similar to Speakeasy's "Onelink"?

    1. Re:Do they offer a no-dialtone service? by vyrus128 · · Score: 1

      I can't find anything on DSLExtreme's site suggesting that they offer no-dialtone service. I've never actually asked, though. But I suspect not.

    2. Re:Do they offer a no-dialtone service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Do they offer a no-dialtone service?

      It may not make a difference. ATT, I think, recently made dry pairs available, but priced them just a buck or three less than with dialtone. At that rate, you may as well just take the dialtone, in case you lose your cellphone or its battery goes TU. Typical in-your-face telco marketing.

  31. Depressing morning by redwoodtree · · Score: 1

    When I got the email this morning it was like a hand jumped out of the screen and punched me in the face. Yes, definitely silly to feel this way about an ISP, but like may others here, I feel that Speakeasy as be so great to me.

    The cost is a little more and the speed is a little slower but the quality has been excellent. They are always up, my IP is static, ports are not blocked, and the support is excellent. I've been with them for almost 10 years now, and when I had Comcast Cable Modem that my work paid for, I found out how often comcast was either down or having problems, and Speakeasy was always my standby.

    I can always schedule my upgrades and maintenance from home because I know my connection will be up. One time when it went down at 3:00 am, I called and they re-provisioned my line on the spot and I was back and working by 3:15.

    I will not do business with Best Buy. There are too many shady business practices, too many anecdotes of bad experiences, and they're becoming bigger and bigger. The whole POINT of doing business with speakeasy was that they were a local, independent company with the kind of values that one could do business with with a clear conscience.

    I will be calling to cancel m speakeasy service as soon as possible.

  32. As a long time Speakeasy customer... by misleb · · Score: 1

    I'm going to seriously consider leaving. I don't want to stick around and watch them go down the drain just like every other cool company that gets bought out. I guess it could be worse... like Symantec or Computer Associates, but still... Best Buy? WTF does an ISP have in common with a retail giant?

    I'm really kind of sick of this buy-out -> toilet trend. I just got burned pretty bad by it last year when EMC bought Dantz/Retrospect. Retrospect used to be a pretty solid product. Now it is a steaming pile of crap and I look like an ass for recommending it at my new employer.

    Whta is it with buyouts and mergers? Is it just the chaos of trying to merge very different ways of doing things? Or are the parent companies really just that bad? I can't think of a single buyout that has done anything but destroy a good brand. Maybe Cisco/Linksys wasn't so bad? I dunno.

    -matthew

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    1. Re:As a long time Speakeasy customer... by misleb · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, Juniper buys Netscreen. That wasn't so bad. As far as I can tell, Netscreens are still darn good firewalls.

      -matthew

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    2. Re:As a long time Speakeasy customer... by nuintari · · Score: 1

      Maybe Cisco/Linksys wasn't so bad? I dunno.


      Have you actually bought a Linksys product lately, CISCO killed their good name. The quality different between a Linksys WRT54Gv4 and v5 is amazing. One is a solid router, the other is better used as a paper weight.

      All in the name of protecting Cisco's SOHO marketshare from rock solid consumer grade products.
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    3. Re:As a long time Speakeasy customer... by misleb · · Score: 1

      All in the name of protecting Cisco's SOHO marketshare from rock solid consumer grade products.


      Protecting their SOHO marketshare? Did they even have any? I thought the point of the Linksys merger was to GET a SOHO marketshare.

      Anyway, I never really thought of Linksys as a particularly good brand. I mean, all the the consumer grade wireless/router stuff is pretty much crap. Not that Linksys was particulary bad, but it certainly wasn't good either. Much like home inkjet printers. The only thing that make Linksys stand out in my mind is the ability to load custom Linux on the WRT54G. Other than that, they're basically just disposable hardware.

      -matthew
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      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    4. Re:As a long time Speakeasy customer... by nuintari · · Score: 1

      Well, cisco has never had much of the home office market, but they do have a presence in the small office with the smaller pix models. But the earlier WRT54G models were very stable, and had built in VPN functionality, which many believe lead to Cisco neutering that line, so it wouldn't cut into PIS sales.

      But you are right, consumer grade routers are pure crap. Why I recommend Soekris boards with OpenBSD for small businesses.

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      slashdot : where an opinion can be wrong.

    5. Re:As a long time Speakeasy customer... by misleb · · Score: 1

      But you are right, consumer grade routers are pure crap. Why I recommend Soekris boards with OpenBSD for small businesses.


      Plain ol' OpenBSD for small business? I guess you want to by the guy they call any time they want to make a change? I usually recommend Netscreens for regular firewalls.

      Although I did just put together a WRAP embedded board running pfSense http://www.pfsense.org/ . Great investment. I used it to replace some POS DLink DSA-3200 that started crapping out on me. I can't believe I paid $500 for that piece of crap just to get some captive portal functionality when I could have had more fun (and gotten a better system!) for just over $200 in hardware and some free software. The good news is that I was able to steal the pigtails and antennas from the Dlink. I considered taking the radio but it turns out that FreeBSD doesn't support that particular chipset.

      -matthew
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    6. Re:As a long time Speakeasy customer... by nuintari · · Score: 1

      Plain ol' OpenBSD for small business? I guess you want to by the guy they call any time they want to make a change? I usually recommend Netscreens for regular firewalls.


      I never said 'Plain Ol' OpenBSD', that was your assumption. Web front ends are trivially easy to write for such tasks. I have a standard flash image I burn to 512 CF cards, show the customer how to access it from the LAN, and collect my fee. I almost never get called back until the customer thinks they need "my" newest version, which is the latest stable build of OpenBSD, with patches applied, and my web interface, latest tweaks and all, thrown on top.

      Really not hard to design a solid product that is easy enough for even the "office guy who knows computers" to use.
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    7. Re:As a long time Speakeasy customer... by nuintari · · Score: 1
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  33. Speakeasy having money problems? Terrible support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I have several clients using Speakeasy (many lines, in many states, over 5 years), and their support is now very poor despite the premium they charge. I hope/assume it's just a lack of resources. You can always get someone on the phone who is polite and professional, but their universal response to problems is, 1) It's the customer's fault, and, if you can disproves that, 2) There's nothing we can do.

    For example, one client has a T1 with and SLA from Speakeasy. If it goes down, their website says automatic monitoring will notify a support engineer who will open a ticket. If you ask the engineers, they insist that there is no automatic notification, and they are unaware of the problem unless the customer calls them. Again, that's on a T1 with an SLA.

    If I call them, they start by trying to pin the blame on us. If I can prove it's not us, they try a few quick diagnostics and, if those don't help, they say 'I don't know what's wrong -- that's all I can tell you'. If a DSL line is malfunctioning, they say, every time, 'you are too far from the CO for that level of service; we can give you a slower service'. Of course, the third time they say it about the same line (after we've lowered the speed twice), it's a little implausible, and when I point out that we've been paying for that service based on their previous recommendation, they don't care. The bottom line is, they take no responsibility for meeting their obligations, not in spirit and not even the letter of them.

    I've been planning to find another vendor for awhile. Speakeasy long had an excellent reputation for service; I'm guessing they are constrained by a lack of resources. Maybe Best Buy's deeper pockets will help with that.

  34. Good while it lasted by Khelder · · Score: 1

    I had Speakeasy DSL for a few years and it was great. Then I moved and had no other option except Comcast cablemodem. It's been ok, but I liked having a static IP.

    I were still with Speakeasy I'd keep it, but keep my eyes open for when the nigh inevitable happens.

    1. Re:Good while it lasted by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I had Speakeasy DSL for a few years and it was great. Then I moved and had no other option except Comcast cablemodem. It's been ok, but I liked having a static IP. Well, speaking practically - my Comcast DHCP address hasn't changed in over two years.

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    2. Re:Good while it lasted by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      DynDNS and ddclient are your friends.

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  35. Stellar customer service... to go downhill fast... by ivan1024 · · Score: 1
    My personal experiences with Speakeasy have always revolved around stellar customer service. I can remember calling and finding tech support that was excited to help Mac users, both of the OS9 and OSX variety. Their knowledge was keen, and their response time fast.

    I have recommended Speakeasy to many colleagues and friends because of my high level of respect for the technicians who have personally helped me on several occasions.

    I can only say that my experience with Best Buy has been the polar opposite. I wholeheartedly disagree with the PR statement that Best Buy is "known for its high level of customer service." I know that I am not alone in this dissatisfaction based on numerous articles I have read on slashdot, news.com, and other online sources.

    In fact, I consider Best Buy only when making purchases for commodity items, where I expect no advice and no customer service from the sales agent.

    I'll be moving shortly and cancelling my Speakeasy account. I had originally planned on getting Speakeasy after the move; however all of that changed this morning. From looking at the other /. posts, I suppose I'll look into Sonic.net and DSLExtreme now.

    Bummer...

  36. end of an era by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, i've been a speakeasy customer since 1999. I've weathered less than steller performance(been on "safemode" for 2yrs), and payed more $$ FOR A LOCAL SERVICE PROVIDER. That has now ended. I will be shopping for a new provider, rather than succum to the BS that is "bestbuy".

    Goodbye my sweet friend, it's been fun. I hope you remember me in the great lowest common denominator world out there...

    Christ, the thought of going ComCast puts ice in my veins, but i refuse to pay 2x the cost for this bs.

  37. Nice by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was considering them, now I know they'll suck.

    Back in the day when I called up their support with a problem, and mentioned I was using an OpenBSD box as a firewall/gateway the response was: 'cool!'

    Actually, would you believe that last night a comcast rep came to my door. They'd had some problems the last 6 months in my community, so he went door to door giving us all a rate cut, free digital and a free movie channel to compensate. I hadn't any problems, but hey - free.

    We talked for a bit, he asked what kind of computer I had. I told him I'd set up a linux router/vpn gateway, and he said "cool". I mentioned that the tuner in my new HDTV was already picking up OnDemand feeds, and he didn't believe me, so I showed him a skinimax flick on 87.3 which was being rewound to show the same nipple over and over. He laughed, and said "cool" again, and mentioned that it'll probably be a long while before they get around to encrypting those feeds.

    I still think comcast sucks a fat nut. Just because some rep said "cool" doesn't mean they are.

    Speakeasy's policies won't be so fast and loose in the future. Best Buy sucks.

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    1. Re:Nice by deltatype0 · · Score: 1

      It really has to do with where your gettng Comcast in. When I lived in a small town in MA, the only broadband we had was Comcast. They sucked hard. I called their support to tell them that my modem was slow and their techs couldn't be bothered to give a damn that the infrastructure out there was crap. They knew that I could not switch to anyone else unless it meant going down to dial-up. I moved back to CT a year or two after and went back to Cox, whom I've had now for 2 years, and while I hate the port blocking and such, their support is leagues beyond Comcast (when I moved apartments somehow my router here and my friend's router in my old apartment we're trying to grab at the same IP address, because they both had the same MAC attached since they were both my accounts in my name, the techs on the phone couldn't understand but when I told them they were like "that's impossible!" it was rather funny) I want to switch to Speakeasy when I move again this spring because I'm moving to an area serviced by Comcast for cable and ATT/SBC DSL, both of whom I loathe. I'm willing to give them a fair shot even after this merger, because they still can't be as bad as Comcast or SBC, I hate SBC even more than Comcast.

    2. Re:Nice by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      mentioned that the tuner in my new HDTV was already picking up OnDemand feeds, and he didn't believe me, so I showed him a skinimax flick on 87.3 which was being rewound to show the same nipple over and over.

      Do you often invite salesmen into your house to check out porn?

  38. No more recommendations from me by analog_line · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recommended Speakeasy to all my clients, and just about everyone I knew, because I had amazing service from them. Best Buy I've never had anything but shitty service from. As of a few minutes ago, I'm recommending everyone I know steer very clear, and all my clients who are currently using Speakeasy to be prepared for when things start collapsing.

    1. Re:No more recommendations from me by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      Best Buy I've never had anything but shitty service from.

      Best Buy is fine if you don't intend to have any problems other than simple returns. Even then, you can still get screwed. My friend bought the Lego Star Wars game for the DS from BB. The game would lock up, not change levels, etc. Sure enough, a google search revealed that the game was shipped bug-ridden.

      BB refused to refund or exchange for a different title. All they would do is let him exchange it for the same title that would surely have the same bugs. He wound up just leaving the store in disgust.

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    2. Re:No more recommendations from me by Osty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BB refused to refund or exchange for a different title. All they would do is let him exchange it for the same title that would surely have the same bugs. He wound up just leaving the store in disgust.

      How's that Best Buy's problem? They have a clearly-stated policy concerning returns of opened media, specifically that once you open it you can only exchange it for the same item. If your friend didn't read or understand that policy, it's his problem and not Best Buy's

      A buggy game does not constitute an exception to the above policy. If your friend was not happy with the state of the game, he should contact the publisher directly and ask for a refund or a fixed version.

      I'm not arguing whether Best Buy's policy is right or wrong. The fact of the matter is that this is almost universal policy in retail when it comes to opened media. Your friend would've had just as much of a problem trying to return a buggy game to Target, Wal*Mart, Circuit City, CompUSA, or nearly anywhere else (CostCo might be an exception to that).

    3. Re:No more recommendations from me by sharkey · · Score: 1
      It can be argued that defective merchandise is defective merchandise, whether or not the box is opened. Your local Lemon Laws might apply. (IANAL, of course)

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    4. Re:No more recommendations from me by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I don't know about most people, but i don't tech advice from my prostitute seriously.

      (ha, just kidding, I new what you meant!)

  39. Well, let's look on the Bright Side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Best Buy, being a large Fortune 100 corporation, will able to afford to make Speakeasy's rates more competetive, right?

      I mean, they will be competing with SBC's $15/month DSL, after all.

  40. Just as long as they keep my shell, I'm cool... by zzyzx · · Score: 1

    I've had a shell account with Speakeasy for about a decade now. All of my multiple addresses filter there. As long as that still works, I'll stay there rather than switch everything over again.

    I might be the only person in world who still uses Pine for email, but I prefer that to web based solutions, let alone something like Outlook...

    1. Re:Just as long as they keep my shell, I'm cool... by kupoking · · Score: 1

      Nope your not the only one, I have had my Shell account with EZ for over 10 years now.
      I certainly hope I get to keep it.

    2. Re:Just as long as they keep my shell, I'm cool... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I might be the only person in world who still uses Pine for email, but I prefer that to web based solutions, let alone something like Outlook...

      pine -f {pop3-server.isp.com/pop3}

      Welcome to the late 20th century.

      Also, gmail offers pop3 service from your gmail account... so pine will pop from that, also.
      Granted your running a *nix of some form.
      Then again, you wouldn't want the shell account so badly if you did, so I guess I shouldn't just assume that since your a geek you run *nix.

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  41. Shocked and appalled by phillymjs · · Score: 1

    I've been a customer of Speakeasy's for about 4 years now, and I love them. The emailed announcement hit me like a slap in the face.

    They have been a fantastic ISP compared to Comcast, who they replaced. I have static IPs, I can run servers, and I get advance notice of planned downtime for maintenance when it will affect my service. I think I've only experienced three unplanned outages since I've been their customer, and the longest was maybe 6 hours. When I've needed to call about outages, their support people have been friendly and recognize that I know what I'm doing, and don't force me to go through the script anyway. The topper was this weekend, though-- I submitted a couple tickets for changes to my service at 11:30pm Eastern on this past Saturday, and both were taken care of before the email confirmation that the ticket had been created hit my inbox, less than 10 minutes later.

    I really, really hope Best Buy doesn't ruin Speakeasy like they ruined Geek Squad, because my only other options are Comcast and Verizon.

    ~Philly

  42. Guess I'll skip SpeakEasy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just yesterday I was looking for new internet service and went to SpeakEasy first. They're expensive but they offer great service for the price.

    Now I expect the service will be gone but the prices will stay. So thanks, but no thanks. I'm going to look elsewhere.

  43. This is depressing by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    I got an email about it from them this morning. I'm depressed. Speakeasy is no where near the cheapest where I live, but I've hung on to them tenaciously partly because of the service, but mostly because of the extremely liberal terms of service. I pay extra so that I can have a static IP, run whatever servers I want, and generally actually use my connection.

    If Best Buy changes this, and decides to act like the big idiot telecom companies like Comcast, I've got no reason to pay extra. I'll just take that package deal that Comcast keeps bugging me about.

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  44. Hope Someone Thought This Through... by SixFactor · · Score: 1

    Nice sentiments, but there are some questions that arise...

    It is important to note that though Speakeasy will now be a wholly owned subsidiary of Best Buy, we will continue to operate as a standalone, independent operating division with headquarters in Seattle.

    Ok, but for how long? More often than not, mergers or acquisitions end up with the old management getting replaced over a period of time by new management, who often want to make their mark... often to the detriment of customers and/or employees.

    A product offering such as VoIP, which has immediate compelling appeal to most SBs based on cost savings and simplicity, is an attractive value proposition that allows Best Buy to round out its solutions menu for small businesses.

    In light of the recent enjoinder against Vonage, will BestBuy find itself in a similar situation with SpeakEasy's VOIP tech? If so, will this dilute SpeakEasy's value to BestBuy? And what could the consequences be?

    I just hope this turns out well for the SpeakEasy employees, and customers who decide to stick with them (for the near-term anyway).

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    1. Re:Hope Someone Thought This Through... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > In light of the recent enjoinder against Vonage

      What an odd phrase. Most of us call them injunctions.

  45. I live in Richfield Minnesota by shuz · · Score: 1

    I also live within a mile of the Best Buy HQ. I have speakeasy (which is really just redistributed covad). IMHO the CO's in Richfield need to be upgraded and/or there needs to be more CO's added to the area. Pretty much the entire town was built in 1950 and as you can imagine a lot of infrastructure is just as old. Maybe BestBuy's money and Speakeasy's telephone company connections will cause upgrades in the immediate area. Though doubtful as there are low income apartment housing across the street from Best Buy...

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  46. Alternatives, please by btarval · · Score: 1
    Wow - the Geek squad must have mod points. Anything critical of Speakeasy is getting mod'd offtopic or redundant.

    I agree this really sucks. Though I don't have Speakeasy, I've heard nothing but glowing praise from people who do have them, and I'm sad to see a good competitor go down the toilet.

    This raises the question as to whether there are any reasonable alternatives to Speakeasy left? Some ISP which will allow one to run servers, is reasonably honest (no false bandwidth throttling claims) and a cluefull tech support based in the U.S.. Or reasonably close on these.

    Please spare me from suggesting either the Phone Companies or the Cable Companies.

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    1. Re:Alternatives, please by fossa · · Score: 1

      There are quite a few ISPs that provide Internet services in combination with DSL service from the local phone company. I recently switched grudgingly from Speakeasy, which uses lines from Covad, to Qwest with third party ISP. I did this to save money, but now have no regrets upon hearing this news. Shopping around for an ISP other than Qwest MSN, XMission looked like a good one, but they stopped offering service in my area (they are Utah based I believe) so I can't speak firsthand. Other than that, the Qwest website listed dozens of local ISPs, very few of which were price competitive with Qwest's own Internet service, but many offered other features such as static IPs. I assume most locations have a handful of ISPs that provide service atop the telco's lines.

    2. Re:Alternatives, please by hurfy · · Score: 1

      Well, since the GP didn't mention price I'll agree with a local ISP on DSL.

      However i pay probably $20 extra not to have qwest or comcast. The tech support however is usually the guy that configures the routers and at least some of the money stays here :)

      Too bad, i always heard good things about speakeasy. Surely that will change soon, i think it is against Best Buy policy or something...

    3. Re:Alternatives, please by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      This raises the question as to whether there are any reasonable alternatives to Speakeasy left? Some ISP which will allow one to run servers, is reasonably honest (no false bandwidth throttling claims) and a cluefull tech support based in the U.S.. Or reasonably close on these.

      Covad's SOHO (Small Office/Home Office) plans. I can't remember if I've ever had to talk to their tech support. It generally "just works". They even provide you with all the setup info from their online account manager so that if you decide not to use their router, you can set up your LInux box or whatever. Pretty painless.

      And going directly to Covad is also cheaper. I'm only paying $89.95/month for 3.0/768 service with a block of 8 static IPs (5 usable). Speakeasy will provide you with one IP for that price at that service class.

      When I was switching away from Earthlink, I looked at Speakeasy, then looked at Covad's own plans, and chose to deal directly with Covad. I haven't regretted it. Solid service, better pricing than Speakeasy, and now, with this news that Speakeasy is getting eaten by Worst Buy, I'm not regretting it even more.... :-D

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    4. Re:Alternatives, please by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      Looks like it is $109.95 now, and it's $10/mo extra for the five IPs.

    5. Re:Alternatives, please by Y0tsuya · · Score: 1

      If you have an SDSL line, you're usually covered by a SLA, and open-ports is a given. And on ADSL lines with static IPs, open-ports are the standard. Why else would people have static IPs if they don't run servers? Speakeasy is nothing special, and had been going downhill for about 2 years now, ever since they start calling users on the phone to cap their download usage. SE's vaunted service is nothing special. If you pay other ISPs what SE charges you for service, they'll treat you even better than SE.

    6. Re:Alternatives, please by darrylo · · Score: 1

      This raises the question as to whether there are any reasonable alternatives to Speakeasy left?

      Are you looking for a net connection, hosting/co-location services, or both?

      If you're looking for a net connection, check out DSLreports, which has ISP ratings.

      If you're looking for either, and are in California, check out sonic.net -- they provide home/business DSL service, as well as web hosting/co-location services. Check them out in DSLreports. (Disclaimer: I have no connection to sonic.net, aside from being a satisfied customer.)

    7. Re:Alternatives, please by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      That's for dedicated line. You're comparing apples & oranges. The prices for dedicated lines on Speakeasy are higher, too. The shared line prices are here. The 5 static IPs is a $10 add-on on top of those prices.

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    8. Re:Alternatives, please by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      Ah, nice. Looks like I found the wrong page.

  47. Gnagh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I moved recently. They were #1 with a bullet for my choice of ISP.

    Thank Ghod I waited a month to order DSL service from them. Gnah! That would have been like buying a delicious bag of candy and opening it at home to find out it was in fact fermented goat's milk and cabbage.

    Unfortunately, that leaves me with no real alternatives for data providers (Only AT&T & Verizon).

    I'll have to have business class network lines run to my apartment!

  48. Covad is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A very large number of speakeasy's customers are provisioned on covad's backbone, and covad is primarily responsible for the quality of service speakeasy has provided. So we can just cut out the middleman and sub to the source.

    http://www.covad.com/services_dsl_chooser.shtml

    1. Re:Covad is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More correctly, Speakeasy is a Covad reseller, so on a majority of circuits it would simply require reprovisioning the circuit for an ip in Covad's address space, and they offer the same packages for the same price. The only issue is if they will compete with a partner or not. You can switch either way, but if they will compete, they might offer additional benefits for changing since theres no need for an install or equipment.

  49. Oh, pissflaps. by glwtta · · Score: 1

    Well, maybe this will be a good excuse to switch to a cheaper service - I've been paying through the nose for huge up speeds, mostly because "any day now" I'll get back into EVE or work from home more (turns out you have to leave work and go home before you can work from home).

    I wonder what the TOS for the FiOS service is... given that it's Verizon, can't be too encouraging.

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  50. All this complaining by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    Jebus folks. This was just announced. There's no indication that SE will be as crappy as BB. Sure, BB sucks. We all know it and like someone said, there's little reason to go unless you can't wait the five days for delivery. But the little guy being bought doesn't necessarily guarantee it (in this case obviously SE) will suck ass. I haven't seen anything definite about the static IPs (the No. 2 reason I went with them) nor anything about who will do support (the No. 1 reason I went with them) and if that will change the current setup. Give it a chance to shake out prefer writing the obit.

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    1. Re:All this complaining by radiogeez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you give a single example of a buyout of a small company by a larger one that didn't result in the eventual ruination of the smaller one? Just one example would make me feel better. Just so you know...this is the third time my "small ISP" has been taken over by a big company (Netcom by Earthlink; Zocalo by Via.Net). In the previous two cases, it didn't take long for it all to go completely to hell.

    2. Re:All this complaining by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      If you mean ruination as in the smaller company continued to exist as a corporate entity, then no. That's not purchases work. But if we're talking product lines, IBM's purchase of Lotus Notes gave Notes the penetration into DoD that it wouldn't otherwise have as well as the kind of marketing clout it also wouldn't have. IBM's purchase of ISS has so far not resulted in a loss of support or productivity. MS's purchase of Vermeer for FrontPage was a huge step forward back then in terms of WYSIWYG html editors. Macromedia's purchase of HomeSite can be argued to have been good. Certainly their purchase of FutureWave Software led to Flash and their purchase of iBand Software led to Dreamweaver. There are cases of it working out better. I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but until we've found out for sure, I think we might as well wait and see.

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  51. OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by Unlikely_Hero · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just got off the phone with someone in the corporate office in Seattle and I for one am willing to wait it out.
    He explained it quite clearly to me, without doublespeak or marketing crap.
    Speakeasy will be a wholly owned subsidiary of BestBuy. All the staff is staying in Seattle, all the tech support will still be in Seattle.
    SPEAKEASY WILL STILL BE OPERATING THEIR NETWORK, IT WILL NOT BE MANAGED BY ANYONE FROM BESTBUY.
    It basically came down to this
    1. BestBuy needed an ISP that didn't suck to offer their business customers when they offer to "outfit" a business. For BestBuy (regardless of how malicious they may be), offering a business customer they want to keep as a long term client Comcast or Verizon or ATT or god forbid AOL isn't a winning strategy. So they want to be able to offer SpeakEasy and have it be quick, efficient, and "standard" if you will. They want Speakeasy to be their standard offer.
    2. Speakeasy wants a shitload of working capital. BestBuy can give them this. Now, I think it's kind of like accepting blood money, but I'm not the one that has to take care of the accounting.

    It's not like we're going to have blueshirts running the network or those yellow-shirt mafia answering the phones.
    The e-mail hit me like a punch in the face too.
    Also, just so folks know, no one at Speakeasy is "cashing out". Well, at least not the "out" part.
    The executive/management people are all staying. Bruce Chatterly will be reporting to a VP at BestBuy, not sure which. the internal structure of Speakeasy is remaining as is.
    Also, to point out a big difference. Geek Squad was brought "in house". Speakeasy is NOT being brought "in house" (thank god..)

    Thanks to those who pointed out SonicDSL and DSLExtreme as alternatives, I hope I won't need them.
    I'm gonna give speakeasy a chance. They've been a fabulous ISP and they deserve the chance.

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    1. Re:OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by russotto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you believe all that, I've got a bridge to sell you. As soon as the deal is closed, BestBuy will be imposing their corporate policies on Speakeasy. First thing will be HR policies -- those will cause many of the best people at Speakeasy to jump ship. Then they'll start cutting services that aren't part of their "core" -- since it's part of "Best Buy for Business", that probably means residential services will be going, piece by piece. Customer service? Best Buy insist on cost cutting there too. Somewhere along the line Mr. Chatterly will take his money and run. Things will get worse, until Best Buy sells the what's left of the company to AT&T or Verizon.

    2. Re:OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And now Best Buy has access to your clickstream. How long till they look for people googling for plasma TVs and try and sell them something>?

    3. Re:OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      During a buyout, the first thing the two companies do is agree to calm people's fears. They don't need their longer-term plans disrupted by problems among the troops. One of the common refrains is that "We don't want to change anything. We bought your company because of its strength. People go along in hopes they will be one of the employees that gets to stay on. Often, upper managers will be kept in the dark about these plans so that they can't be accused of lying.

      Sales will be given the green light right from the start. No one opposes attempting to increase sales.

      After things settle down a bit - about 6 months to a year, the company will start getting rid of redundancies. They'll argue that they hate to do it but they can't justify two HR departments. The claim will be that it's the last cuts that they have planned.

      At about 9 months to 1 year, the other elements of the company culture that have started to propagate will become part of the newly purchased company. The real plans of the purchasing company start to become more clear to employees.

      It's highly unlikely that the purchased company will be allowed to maintain its own culture and direction.

    4. Re:OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by calidoscope · · Score: 1

      Thanks to those who pointed out SonicDSL and DSLExtreme as alternatives, I hope I won't need them.

      I'm gonna give speakeasy a chance. They've been a fabulous ISP and they deserve the chance.


      I've been a Speakeasy customer for almost three years now and also do not have plans to 'immediately jump ship' - OTOH, I will be paying more attention to alternatives. One would be AT&T's VDSL service (there's a box about one-third mile from my house), but am really turned off by having Yahoo as the ISP (if they offered Sonic.net as an alternative...).


      Some of the things that I like about SE are static IP's, web based account management, shell account, IMAP accounts and having their own NTP servers. A couple of downsides in the last year were dropping their support forum (one of the things I liked about my original ISP, CTSnet - which was one of the first 100 .com domains) and dropping of plans for IPv6 service.

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    5. Re:OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by godless+dave · · Score: 1

      And you believe that bullshit?

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    6. Re:OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by mwilliamson · · Score: 1

      >BestBuy needed an ISP that didn't suck to offer their business customers Uh, it's nice for an ISP to have customers who don't suck. ID10T customers are the number one reason behind idiotic blanket policies that leave us geeks out in the cold.

    7. Re:OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, since SE has better HR policies...those are all staying and we'll be protected (I want my 3 weeks of vacation!). And they're separate from BB's. And all the Execs are staying and have signed contracts. They aren't going anywhere. It's too bad you don't actually know Bruce.

      Hey, whoever posted "cut the doom and gloom and focus"; thanks! Some of us on the inside who know what's going on are trying to do just that and continue providing good customer service and do our jobs... ;-)

    8. Re:OK, Cut the doom & gloom and focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at some of the other companies that BB has bought and left alone and get back to us, 'k?

  52. Re:OpenBSD as a firewall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, one time I called Theo DeRaadt (who is by all accounts a super-nice guy) at home for support, and he told me to FUCK OFF! Can you believe it?

    He was busy patching security holes... in your mom.

  53. speakeasy customer survey by surratta · · Score: 1
  54. Re:OpenBSD as a firewall? by Creepy · · Score: 1

    lol - everything I've heard of OpenBSD's PF (packet filter) suggests that it's a capable and versatile firewall - you're one of the few people I've ever heard of badmouth it. Try traffic shaping with Windows firewall (we're talking about Windows OOTB firewall, not free download-able solutions). I'll take OpenBSD (pf), FreeBSD (ipfw), or Linux (ipchains) long before I'd ever touch Windows firewall for any practical uses, thank you.

    Seriously, why are you calling this guy at home, anyway? You never know the situation the guy was in at the time - I mean, maybe he was about to get shagged for the first time in months and you happened to call just then. I'd tell you to F**K OFF too - hell, I'd tell my MOM to f**k off in that situation and she'd probably drive 30 miles just to wash my mouth out with soap.

  55. He made a funny! by jalefkowit · · Score: 1

    Best Buy, like Speakeasy, is known for its high level of customer service.

    Oooooooooookay...

  56. Filthy rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This is a significant milestone for our company as our new relationship will help us realize our goals of becoming the No. 1 provider of voice and data solutions to small businesses filthy rich."

    FTFY.

  57. A sad state of affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't shop at the "best buy". I had been considering utilizing speakeasy.net. Does it still have the slashdot brand?

    I just can't give my dime to these http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/Ri chard_Schulze.php people

  58. Morals and Ethics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm thoroughly saddened to read this news. I like, many informed Americans, consider Best Buy to be one of the worst places to shop. Their customer service is atrocious, their practices are without a doubt morally and ethically corrupt and in some states illegal. Having accomplished this deal I am sure you have done your due diligence and it therefore grieves me that you would continue to engage in business efforts with such a corporation.

    I have stricken Speakeasy as an intended provider from our rollout and we will search for another which is more suitable to a higher standard of ethics and personable morals.

    Please ensure Mr. Bruce Chatterley reads this. Good money is good to have, good customers far better.

    Sincerely,
    David
    (Blu3 - having to log in to every website is entirely annoying)

  59. Bye, bye, Speakeasy by squarooticus · · Score: 1

    For a time, I was conflicted about moving to FIOS because I was leaving a company with such great customer service and support for a hulking monolith simply to get more bandwidth. (Much, MUCH more bandwidth: 5/20 instead of .25/1.5!) But now that they've sold out to Best Buy, I have zero regrets. I wonder how long until the eliminate all the things that made Speakeasy so good? Static IP's, reverse DNS, responsive customer support, encouraged servers and reselling bandwidth, etc.

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  60. The email I got this morning from Bruce Chatterley by krack · · Score: 1
    This is the text of the email I got from Speakeasy's CEO at 5:41 PST this morning:

    Best Buy Acquires Speakeasy - CEO News

    Dear Speakeasy Members,

    Today is an historic and exciting day for Speakeasy.

    I am pleased to announce that Speakeasy has been acquired by Best Buy, an innovative and growing Fortune 100 company and the top consumer electronics retailer in North America. This is a significant milestone for our company as our new relationship will help us realize our goals of becoming the No. 1 provider of voice and data solutions to small businesses. It is important to note that though Speakeasy will now be a wholly owned subsidiary of Best Buy, we will continue to operate as a standalone, independent operating division with headquarters in Seattle.

    Speakeasy will be an important part of the Best Buy For Business service that delivers simple, reliable, and affordable technology solutions to small businesses. Speakeasy's array of broadband voice, data and managed services offerings will be the focal point of the Best Buy For Business communications solutions.
    This agreement is a major step forward for our company. While our business remains strong, our relationship with Best Buy provides us with additional resources and brand recognition, while opening new sales channels which will dramatically accelerate our growth.

    Best Buy, like Speakeasy, is known for its high level of customer service. Our reputation as a trusted provider of voice and data services with stellar customer service will not change. Our values are similar too -- Best Buy shares our customer passion, respect for individuals, and drive to do the right thing while achieving results. All aspects of your service will continue to be managed by Speakeasy and the excellent service and support you expect will continue uninterrupted.

    Best Regards,
    Bruce Chatterley
    President & CEO, Speakeasy, Inc.

    GENERAL INFORMATION

    What are Best Buy and Speakeasy announcing today?

    Best Buy has agreed to acquire Speakeasy, a privately-held voice and data solutions company based in Seattle, WA. Speakeasy will be aligned under the Best Buy For Business (BBFB) unit, enhancing Best Buy's technology portfolio and ability to help small businesses improve their productivity and cut costs.

    Why is Best Buy purchasing Speakeasy?

    Speakeasy is a highly regarded voice and data services provider with national coverage whose values align well with those of Best Buy. Best Buy is seeking to accelerate the growth of Best Buy For Business (BBFB) by providing core communications solutions for small businesses. Speakeasy's array of products offer a simple, understandable value proposition to small business owners, and gives BBFB the opportunity to build and maintain a regular, recurring relationship with customers.

    Who is Best Buy? Where are they located?

    Best Buy Co., Inc (NYSE: BBY) is one of the nation?s leading retailers of technology and entertainment products and services. Their mission is to give customers great experiences - whether they are shopping for consumer electronics, home-office products, entertainment software and appliances, or using those products and related-services in their homes or offices.

    Best Buy's corporate campus is located in Richfield, Minnesota and it operates over 1,150 stores across the U.S., Canada, and China.

    Why would a retailer buy a technology company?

    One of Speakeasy's core product offerings is Voice over IP (VoIP), which is becoming a popular choice for small businesses who seek efficient and cost-effective telecommunications services. Best Buy For Business' mission is to deliver simple, reliable, and affordable technology solutions to small businesses. A product offering such as VoIP, which has immediate compelling appeal to most SBs based on cost savings and simplicity, is an attractive value proposition that allows Best Buy to round out its solutions menu for small businesses.

    What is Best Buy for Business

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    Just because you are not paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you.
  61. I hope you paid with Visa by phorm · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you did, there's this little option called "chargeback"

    Moreover, if you don't have verbal (record) or written assent to the so-called contract, it'll be dumped. Basically what Visa does is get both parties on the phone and ask the salesperson to play back the part where they indicated a contract or non-refundable item. Nothing said, nothing written = no contract, and your money usually comes back to you.

  62. Re:No complaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I shop there when I have NewEgg?

  63. ISP support by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 1

    Back in the day when I called up their support with a problem, and mentioned I was using an OpenBSD box as a firewall/gateway the response was: 'cool!'

    I'm not entirely sure that the big ISPs are as bad as some around here claim them to be. I have had Cox for years now and AT&T (now Comcast) where I used to live (back in 2000 or so) and I had no problems using a Linux box as the gateway.

    I have never had trouble getting information about default gateways or routes or DNS servers or anything of the sort. With most modern Cable ISPs everything is DHCP anyway. DSL is similar although a lot of them use that PPPoE crap.

    As far as installation goes, about a year ago when I moved into my apartment I had Cox install a line for cable. Once I saw the installer was done hooking up the line outside and was coming back in I went ahead and hooked up the modem and got it going on my Linux gateway. By the time he got up the stairs (third floor apartment) I was already on the internet. He was quite pleased since he didn't have to configure anything on the machine except hook it up.

    I've been on the other side too. Back in 2000 or so I worked for an AT&T subcontractor. Most installs were Windows or whatever but in one case their kid and one of his friends had already gotten a Linux box ready to go. I gave them the information, they got it routing and knowing that obviously the paying customer wants their PC to work I made sure that the internet was working from the PC through the NAT router. The parents signed the paperwork and I took off. Easiest install I ever did.

    If you are willing to take responsibility for making your router work then I don't think any of the big ISPs have any problems. However, I will say that a friend of the family called comcast and they gave her a bunch of bullshit about needing to disconnect her router and what not which she did but then of course her wireless laptop wouldn't work. So I had to give her the lowdown on resetting the router (Linksys seem to be notorious for this) and to please call me instead of Comcast if that doesn't work. The only real problem I have with this is that the Comcast tech could've saved himself 10 minutes of having her rearrange everything just by having her power cycle the modem and the router.

    My experience with Cox on the other hand has always been that if you tell them you have a router then the first thing they will do is have you power cycle the modem and the router. Saves them time.

    The bottom line is to not ascribe any malice to the big ISPs. They are a business and are just trying to keep their costs down. Their agreements clearly state they won't support your router. However, the smarter ones figure out that sometimes supporting the router a little bit (i.e. tell user to power cycle it) is cheaper and so they put that in their tech support scripts. Only if that doesn't work will they move on to having you directly connect the computer. From a troubleshooting perspective this makes perfect sense. Remove as many variables as you can.

    1. Re:ISP support by corran__horn · · Score: 1

      The biggest problems with the AT&T types is the entry level service people/webpages. I have had no problems when dealing with the upper tiers of support, but try registering for service on and IE only (because it is EXTREMELY broken) website. Now that I am in they were responsive and not incompetent (to get the outbound port 25 block lifted was a single phone call).

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      If people can connect to one another even the smallest of voices will grow loud.
      --Serial Experiments Lain
    2. Re:ISP support by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 1

      So call them to order service instead. It costs them money to pay someone take the call. Politely explain that the reason you are calling is that their website doesn't work with Firefox/Safari/whatever. If they give online-only discounts, politely ask that you receive the discount. Eventually, they'll figure it out.

  64. Speakeasy to be Given the Geek Squad Treatment? by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 1

    How soon before Speakeasy becomes a walking joke, con artists, and destroyer of customer machines, like Geek Squad did after being bought out by Best Buy?

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    Slashdot: Playing Favorites Since 1997
  65. Jumping between the sheets with the Devil by thatseattleguy · · Score: 1

    Well, I've had a Speakeasy DSL line for over seven years, about as long as anyone could be. Through most of that time, their support's been great. As have been their policies on static IPs, port blocking, running servers, line sharing, and "alternative" OSs - most of the things I care about in an ISP.

    But the company's also changed over the past few years (the "Bruce Chatterly" era, way past the time when Mike, Tyler, and a bunch of Burners ran the show). They've become much more money-hungry and prone to corporate foot-shooting at the top levels. The real sleazy move last year was that they timed a stealth fee increase (doubling the bogus "regulatory recovery fee") to kick in exactly at the same time that the Federal USF fee expired. Users who didn't watch carefully saw their monthly charge go down slightly (under a buck) and thought life was good - when in fact it should have dropped $2-3 or more. When some of the customers who were awake complained, we only got marketroid doublespeak and obfuscation.

    I'm prepared to wait this latest change of scenery out for now - but my skepticism quotient just got shifted one bit to the left. We'll see. //tsg//

  66. Threadjack: Bonded DSL? by hirschma · · Score: 1

    This thread made me think of something: why are no ISPs in the USA offering bonded DSL services? You know, for when one DSL line won't do, but going to T1 is too much? Anyone know of anyone offering this?

  67. residential fiber in SF? by DMaster0 · · Score: 1

    So, anyone have any recommendations (or expectations?) for residential fiber in San Francisco?

    I'm not going to stick with Speakeasy any longer as soon as fiber is available now. I was always willing to keep with the little guy and all that... but now that the little guy funnels money to the Big Guy, i can't really claim any sort of advantage in doing it. I'll support whatever Big Guy will offer me a bit fatty fiber to the home style pipe.

    I'm in San Francisco, surely this kind of thing is freakin possible. Anyone know anything at all?

  68. Sonic.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >...there's Sonic.net which is like Speakeasy without the marketing budget.

    I never thought of it that way, but I can vouch for Sonic.

    Only needed tech support on initial setup-- they were quite helpful
    over the phone. But after that there's been no need to get tech support.

  69. Re:Stellar customer service... to go downhill fast by krack · · Score: 1

    I am also a current Speakeasy customer. I'm also a Seattle native, so I'm biased towards local biz. I wanted to point out Drizzle (http://www.drizzle.com/). I have no affiliation with them and have never used their service, but someone else pointed me at their website this morning and they look and seem reasonable. http://www.dslreports.com/ is a great resource for finding a new ISP as well.

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    Just because you are not paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you.
  70. Now what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damnit, I was planning on getting DSL from speakeasy after I move. What am I supposed to do now?

  71. Remember the Cafe? by FranTaylor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Way back whem, my buddy Mike and I heard about this Speakeasy place that was going to start up an Internet cafe in Belltown. They had not yet opened up for business, so we went around back to the alley and knocked on the door. Nearby we could hear Mark Arm from Mudhoney practicing on guitar somewhere. The door opened and we met the owners, the Apgars. They were totally cool and really knew what they were doing. When the cafe opened, we used to go there all the time. They had a bunch of machines for public use. They had coffee, beer, food, live music, and it was a perfect place to hang. They realized that they weren't utilizing all of the T1 that they were paying gobs of money for, so they decided to sell some dialup accounts. This is the beginning of the Speakeasy that the rest of you know. Soon after, the cafe burned down in a terrible accident that also consumed a favorite pool hall, the 2-11 Club. By then, the dialup business had really taken off, and they never bothered to reopen the cafe. The Apgars sold out at some point to the current management.

    Best Buy. Sheesh. I hardly ever go in there, when I do, I realize that the Target next door has much better prices and much friendlier folks, and I shake my head and walk out. Speakeasy has died, and now its zombie corpse will haunt us. It just goes to show you that everything good will eventually turn to crap.

    1. Re:Remember the Cafe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Gads it took them forever to open the cafe but once they did, it was great.
      Remember the former photographer who was a waiter who always wore a welders hat? And Ms. Apgar, in the day..boy was she a hot little number.

  72. Re:No complaining by russotto · · Score: 1

    There's no conflict between shopping at Best Buy for products and not wanting to use them for services. With a product, you just do your own research, go in and buy the thing, don't buy the extended warranty, and your contact with them is over. With a service, you have to deal with them continuously.

  73. I used to use a Best Buy ISP by vistic · · Score: 1

    Back around 1997 or 1998 they had CD's (usually by the check-outs) for Best Buy's ISP which was called expresslane or theonramp.net, as I recall.

    Then one day the company just disappeared without any warning and we had no connection.

    1. Re:I used to use a Best Buy ISP by Yusaku+Godai · · Score: 1

      I had that too for a while. IIRC it was bought by Mindspring. Which in turn disappeared into the ether at some point. I had switched to DSL prior that though.

    2. Re:I used to use a Best Buy ISP by guanxi · · Score: 1

      Mindspring was purchased by Earthlink. We had hosting with Mindspring, and Earthlink supported the old Mindspring servers for five years IIRC.

  74. So what if the service stays the same? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone is complaining about what will happen to Speakeasy service, who cares?

    I don't want to give my money to best buy. They could leave the company alone completely and I will still cancel my account.

  75. I Can't Believe This... by LionKimbro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The SpeakEasy Cafe led me to: A great many friends, and even 4 close ones, including my girlfriend (whom I met at the FreeBSD meetings that gathered there,) ... which led to our daughter, who now turns 6. We're a happy family, and we've always felt good about paying SpeakEasy.

    SpeakEasy service is out of this world. They never balk that I run Linux & FreeBSD. Whenever we've had problems, it's been our end, but their staff has been responsive and friendly. Their level-1 staff are *very* knowledgeable. Network administrators I know love to recount stories of Speakeasy awesomeness.

    First the cafe burns down, and now this. :( So sad. Mike Apgar, send us an email!

    If SpeakEasy service degrades in the slightest, I don't see how we can justify the extra expense. We're paying for SpeakEasy: the freedom to run Linux & FreeBSD, the freedom to occasionally host some (ahem) questionable material, the freedom to run weird configurations, their excellent service, their crazy smart staff, ...

    If any of that goes away, I just don't see the point.

    1. Re:I Can't Believe This... by ptrace · · Score: 1

      This just sucks. SpeakEasy is the best ISP I've ever experienced. Good phone techs that know what they're talking about. No ridiculous first level technicians spouting, "Turn the modem off for 15 seconds and then turn it on".

      I'll lay 10 to 1 odds that BestBuy will not be able to resist "tweaking" with what already works. I give it 90 days... then we'll hear the first screams.

  76. Other options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What ISP can we switch to?

    1. Re:Other options? by o0OSABO0o · · Score: 1

      I went to the Covad web site last night and did an availability test (I know that it is available since they provisioned the Speakeasy line anyway) and today I received a follow-up call and email about switching over to them. It's going to cost more and I made it clear to the phone rep that I was not ready to switch yet, but they seem to be gearing up and ready to go if Speakeasy starts to tank.

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      The Spice Must Flow!
  77. Community WiFi by clubbabyseals · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sigh. Jaded comments run rampant, but I too find my innards all in a twist.

    One of Speakeasy's best policies is their encouragement to share your bandwidth via WiFi if you see fit. I do exactly that in South Philly with Speakeasy's OneLink on an extremely stable 6.0/768 with 3 statics, and provide free WiFi for anyone within reach of my externally mounted antenna. There's about 10ish regulars and who knows how many transients, so while it's not massive, chats have begun with others in the area around providing more unified coverage. I'm stoked to provide this to the area, and consider it a community utility to be spread and promoted for those with the skills and means.

    Almost all other ISP's policies threaten you with hell and damnation for doing this, but Speakeasy's policy enables community through sharing. There's no easier way to bridge the last mile in the digital divide than throwing a bit of RF out your front window and carving off a bit of your bandwidth(know what you're doing), and that wouldn't be possible without the support of ISP's who Grok like Speakeasy.

    I challenge the Big Box store to keep that policy alive. However, the jaded comments above weigh upon me and I suspect the eventual worst. I suspect the lawyers in Minnesota are far more an*l than Seattle. Sure they have the flannel in the closet, but for totally different reasons. And I suspect they're not as willing to let their junk hang out in the progressive wind. Happened at Netcom... first they lose the quality support crew, then they lose the shells, then they lose the women...

    Signed,
    Freaked out in Philly

    1. Re:Community WiFi by guanxi · · Score: 1

      Hmmm ... I'm in Society Hill (for out-of-towners: On a border of South Philly) and my 6.0/768 service has been pretty unreliable.

      Also, I think Speakeasy encourages you to share Wifi by billing your neighbors and taking a cut for yourself: http://www.speakeasy.net/netshare/terms/

  78. Re:OpenBSD as a firewall? by goarilla · · Score: 1

    it's iptables since kernel v 2.4.x iirc

  79. Damn. You got my hopes up by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sonic.net does sound promising... But they work with SBC/AT&T only :P. Unfortunately we are Qwest territory out here so no go.

    That was one of the good things about Speakeasy, they went through Covad and Newedge so you could get it almost anywhere.

    1. Re:Damn. You got my hopes up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are their points of presence though? I see they are in San Jose and I hope I wouldn't be converging with the rest of the world there. (I'm in the midwest) Speakeasy has a POP in Chicago..

    2. Re:Damn. You got my hopes up by calidoscope · · Score: 1

      Sonic.net does sound promising... But they work with SBC/AT&T only


      Ugh. I had TFBnet DSL provisioned by SBC and dropped that after a year in favor of Speakeasy - seems like every couple of months SBC would goof and cause a 12 to 24 hour outage of connectivity. Dropouts on Speakeasy have been much fewer and shorter duration.


      Now if AT&T would offer Sonic.net on their new vdsl service, I'd sign up in a heartbeat.

      --
      A Shadeless room is a brighter room.
    3. Re:Damn. You got my hopes up by yppiz · · Score: 1

      Provisioning by SBC sounds bad, but perhaps service is better when the ISP owns the issue and beats on the provisioning company when things go wrong.

      One of the joys of Speakeasy was that they managed all the problems and owned a trouble ticked through resolution. My biggest frustration with SBC when I used them (in the early days of PacBell/SBC DSL) was that they had five different departments involved in any given trouble ticket, and each would pass the buck off to the other (ISP guys "it's your line!", line guys "it's the CO", CO guys "it's your modem.")

      Sonic.net gets excellent ratings as a broadband ISP - maybe they have enough pull to tame SBC?

      --Pat

  80. If you are a customer, write to them by raddan · · Score: 1
    I wrote a letter to the Speakeasy sales people. The only people who can really influence the decision-makers in the company that I work for are the sales reps, and I assume Speakeasy is no different. Here's what he wrote back. Name of the Speakeasy rep has been omitted:

    Hello Dan,

    I completely understand your concerns, as this is a huge surprise to me as well! While Speakeasy is now owned by Best Buy, it's important to note that we will continue to operate as a stand alone, independant operation with our headquarters in Seattle. We will not be integrating with Best Buy stores, Geek Squad, Magnolia Hi-Fi or any other Best Buy subsidiary.

    Because we won't be integrating, there will be no change or interruption to your existing service or level of customer support as all aspects of your service will continue to be managed by Speakeasy.

    Best regards,

    **** *******
  81. Cross-sell that crap! by billcopc · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they will hassle their ISP customers with extended warranties ? "Get the service plan for only 49.99 MORE per month, it's a bargain at any price! If your internet doesn't work right, just bring it back to the store and after 5-6 visits and a lot of berating, we might actually give you a new internet!"

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    -Billco, Fnarg.com
  82. Re:OpenBSD as a firewall? by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

    I'd tell my MOM to f**k off in that situation and she'd probably drive 30 miles just to wash my mouth out with soap.

    Dude, can I come live with you? That's gotta be one awesome house where it's a 30 mile drive from the living room to the basement...

  83. Sorry, but I'm not buying by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I'm a current Speakeasy customer and I'm now shopping for new ISPs. The thing is, Best Buy wouldn't be making this acquisition for no reason. They have some larger hair-brained scheme in mind I'm quite sure. I don't know what it is, but I have no care to find out.

  84. *Sputters Coffee* by Yusaku+Godai · · Score: 1

    I *just* ordered Speakeasy DSL for my new apartment. God dammit, now what the fuck do I do?

    I guess I'll stick with it for now...it's the least expensive option I have that gives me a static IP, and certainly the most geek friendly ("Want to run a web server? No problem." whereas Verizon blocks port 80 unless you shell out for a business account).

    God dammit.

    1. Re:*Sputters Coffee* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would suggest canceling within the first 25 days (trial period) of using the service before you are locked into a 12 month contract with Speakeasy's DSL carrier Covad. If you terminate service within that 12 month span you will be charged a $300 early termination fee. I'd hedge your bets and turn to another provider if you believe the Best Buy acquisition will have a negative impact on your Speakeasy DSL service.

    2. Re:*Sputters Coffee* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a clown. You made a good decision, somebody respects that enough to pay $97 million for right to serve you, and you don't even give them a chance.

  85. Well, I guess I finally have a use for that domain by itsownreward · · Score: 1

    I guess I might end up with a use for speakeasysucks.org after all. Think of the complaints that will be coming!

    (Actually, I originally got it because my DSL was down for seven(!) weeks and they'd done very little to get it back up. I got the domain and called and asked them to change the email address on my account. When I told them the domain they asked why I had picked it, and I finally illicited a decent response to my problem.

    The problem was, actually, equipment at the ILEC that had been fried in a lightning storm. Once they found it and replaced the card everything magically worked. Nonetheless, I was a little disenchanted with how long it took Speakeasy to resolve the problem. I only stayed because of the geek-friendly policies.)

  86. Good thing this happened now by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

    This is a Bad Thing, no question, but I'm glad it happened now. I live in a place "served" by a municipal cable company (anyone ever meet a government corporation that didn't suck?) and pay more money for half the bandwidth and fewer services than I did where I used to live (Roadrunner there, they were very good). I was thinking of going to DSL and Speakeasy was a candidate, but they're off the list now.

  87. Wanted: New DSL Service by ewhac · · Score: 1
    My current broadband provider has sold its soul to Satan, and I have no wish to follow them.

    I live on the San Francisco peninsula, about half-way between San Francisco and San Jose. I'm 3000 feet from the Pacific Bell ("SBC," my ass) central office, so signal integrity is not a problem.

    The provider must offer the following:

    • No port filtering/blocking,
    • No server prohibitions,
    • Static IP,
    • Netnews server with complete feeds on all groups,
    • Basic tech support for all major OSes, including Linux and FreeBSD,
    • Pro-active network monitoring for open relays and compromised machines,
    • Bandwidth caps sufficiently high in both directions that I will never notice them,
    • The option to buy additional bandwidth for a reasonable price, should I need it,
    • At least 99.9% uptime,
    • Dialup access as an available option (for when I'm away from home).

    The ideal provider will offer at least 10000 Kbits down and 2000 Kbits up. The absolute minimum is 6000 down/768 up. The provider may provision as many lines as necessary (link-layer bonding does not scare me). Monthly rate is negotiable.

    Schwab

    1. Re:Wanted: New DSL Service by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      We live pretty near each other. I'm in San Bruno and have become pretty unhappy with San Bruno Cable in the short time I've been using them. I used to live in a Time-Warner/Roadrunner area and after I moved to San Bruno found myself paying 10 bucks more for half the bandwidth, a pathetic excuse for a usenet server, and power-cycling the cable modem at least once a week (used to happen about every 6 weeks on TW). Oh, and they charge you for installation. TW didn't.

      I was looking into DSL and considering Speakeasy despite a bad experience with them a few years ago, and then the Best Buy news came out. Speakeasy is no longer under consideration, but some other poster mentioned sonic.net. They sound pretty good and are based in Santa Rosa. You might want to check them out.

    2. Re:Wanted: New DSL Service by ewhac · · Score: 1
      I checked Sonic.net. They seem like nice people, and I've heard positive reports from others. But according to what I could find on their Web site their highest-end service is, "somewhere between 3000-6000 Kbits down." That's rather too vague for me. I'd need to know a lot more about the nuts and bolts of their service before I'd consider subscribing.

      Schwab

    3. Re:Wanted: New DSL Service by darrylo · · Score: 1

      But according to what I could find on their Web site their highest-end service is, "somewhere between 3000-6000 Kbits down." That's rather too vague for me.

      Unfortunately, with DSL, they're at the mercy of the quality and length of your phone line (from the phone company/remote terminal, to your site). The quality/type of your home/business phone wiring is also important (e.g., home-run vs star configuration, twisted vs untwisted, etc.), and they have no way of knowing that. As a result, they can only guarantee a range, and that's assuming that you even qualify for the (upper) range. There's no way of knowing the exact DSL speeds you can get, without actually getting the line (and then letting the DSL modem train itself over a period of days, to adjust for your line conditions).

      On the other hand, if you have boatloads of money, they'll sell you T1/T3/frame relay lines. ;-)

    4. Re:Wanted: New DSL Service by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      For me, 3 kbps - 6 kbps down translates to "at least as fast as my current best-case throughput, and maybe up to twice as fast" and it costs less than San Bruno Cable service, so as long as their service quality is >= San Bruno Cable's, I can't lose. Plus, the fact that they use the word "Linux" right on their top page can only be a good sign :)

  88. Tragic by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

    Best ISP I've ever had, without question. It's sad they had to sell out to the enemy when the forces of Dubya more or less ruined their business by allowing monopolies exclusive access to our wires. I hope one day they can rise again (w/o best buy...ick).

  89. Support for Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speakeasy has been one of the largest corporate supporters of online gaming since I can remember, well before other giant corporations started sponsoring gaming competitions, teams, servers, etc. Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't they one of the CPL's original sponsors? I always felt like other companies followed Speakeasy's lead in order to reach their target consumers to sell their product, whereas Speakeasy realized that their customers were this demographic and they wanted to improve service. Speakeasy has done a stellar job giving back to the online gaming community and I hope more than anything else, that stays the same.

  90. One to rule them all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how long before Best Buy has their own brand of cable/satellite service?

    Soon they will sell you* your TV and Computer, sell you the services to have their techs install everything, then supply the internet and TV signals. Its genius. The Complete End to End solution.

    *"you" no way means slashdot readers, "you" as in the average consumer.

    Im sure the CEO of Best Buy is sitting in a tower cackling and rubbing his hands together.

  91. SpeakEasy absolutely DOES enforce bandwidth limits by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/clintjcl/76331315/ - This is my pre-sales chat. Later the fucked me over. Cancelled my contract. Explicitly told me I am not allowed to transfer (download) more than 100G/mo. SPECIFICALLY, this is why they cancelled my contract. So -- don't believe all the people who say SpeakEasy is great, they don't have limits, they don't enforce things. They DO. They ABSOLUTELY DO.

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    -Clio
    Karma: Bad (mostly from not giving a fuck)
    Blog: http://clintjcl.wordpress.com
  92. SpeakEasy is a liar. by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
    They cancelled my contract, costing my $100s in setup fees, for downloading too much. After harassing me for 3 months, they flat out told me: "You download more than X per month, we will cut you off." This is NOT in their terms of service. The terms of service only say they can cancel you if you are adversely affecting their network. When I asked, they specifically told me that I was NOT adversely affecting their network; They just didn't like how much I was downloading, despite paying $90/month for a 3M line.

    Fuck Best Buy, and Fuck Speakeasy. They will make excellent bedfellows ... in hell.

    Here's my pre-sales chat to SpeakEasy where they specifically said I can download as much as I want, every day: http://www.flickr.com/photos/clintjcl/tags/speakea sy (click on the last one, not the first one)

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    -Clio
    Karma: Bad (mostly from not giving a fuck)
    Blog: http://clintjcl.wordpress.com
  93. Its what always happens... by Grinin · · Score: 1

    This is how and why the market operates in this way.

    A small company builds a fantastic idea into a business. The business becomes profitable/popular. Bigger companies would love to have the abilities of these smaller companies, and thus they buy them up. Then the big company says "We'll leave you alone, you keep doing what you're doing... except you have to abide by these rules/regulations/contracts/etc" and naturally the original idea is lost in translation along the way and they are no longer the best at what they do. Next, another small startup company says "Hey... We can do this better than those people can" and the cycle starts all over again. Who benefits? The small business with the big idea that gets gobbled up by the big businesses. Its the dream of every entrepreneur these days to create something that a larger company will find enticing and get bought out by them. Look at YouTube, Flickr, Picasa, and any other company that has been gobbled up by the big boy's. Its a beautiful thing this free market of ours, but we must do something to ensure that it stays fully operational.

  94. Got the email this morning... by jburroug · · Score: 1

    ..and I replied. Not that any of the execs will read it or if they do it's not like they will care or try to scuttle the deal. For those of you that actually care, he's what I wrote back to Bruce:

    ------------------
    I'm very sorry to hear this. I was a happy Speakeasy customer for two
    years until a move forced me out of your service area. I've never
    stopped reccomending Speakeasy to friends and colleages looking for a
    top notch DSL provider because of the stellar customer service and
    support. I've stopped shopping at Best Buy years ago for much the same
    reasons - terrible customer support, uninformed sales staff, draconion
    return policies and requirement to push extended warranties on
    everything that goes out the door. I've never had a good experience at
    Best Buy.

    You claim that:

    > Speakeasy will be a wholly owned subsidiary of Best Buy and will be aligned under the Best
    > Buy for Business unit.
    >
    > Speakeasy will continue to operate independently and our corporate offices, management,
    > employees and customer operations will remain in Seattle. Speakeasy's partner sales and
    > support team will not change.

    Which might be the case for the first year or two but eventually
    someone at Best Buy will look at costs and start making cuts. First it
    will be reductions in support for your consumer services - some
    outsourced call center will handle first line consumer calls because
    after all you'll be part of "Best Buy for Business" things will slowly
    fall apart - for your users - from there. In a few years I have no
    doubt that the Best Buy corporate machine will turn your cool,
    innovative little company into another bland, mediocre corporate ISP
    that's a hollow shell of it's former self.

    I'm very, very sad to hear this horrible news.

    Cheers,

    Josh
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    I've been going back to their site every couple months since I moved in November to test if my house was in range for their service again because I enjoyed the service and support so much. I've had no problems with time warner so far but until this morning I just liked being a Speakeasy customer better and would've switched the day a new CO went live and pushed me back into their service cup again. Guess I can take that reminder off my calender now... sigh...

    Cheers,

    Josh

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  95. Internet/Retail Pricing by Envy+Life · · Score: 1

    It's not uncommon for retailers to post different pricing in store and on their web sites. Here's a couple of other examples:

    I was shopping for a DVA->VGA converter, stopped by the local Office Depot to see what they had, and found it in stock for what seemed like a high price ($37.99). I went home and checked pricing on the internet, and it was listed at $26.99 on their web site, for the exact same model. I called and talked to the store manager, who approved the price match, and I picked it up, but they didn't give me the impression this was normal business practice.

    Similarly I saw a deal on Walmart's web site, and when I went into the store to find the item, it was regular price. I stood in the customer service line for the normal 10 minutes, reading the "Best Price Guarantee" sign behind the counter, but when I got up there they said they only price match to retail stores. Read: They don't even price match their own web site! They would not budge on the issue.

    Is this all wrong? Maybe not.. there are probably some efficiencies in the business model of an internet transaction (aka mail order) that allow reduced pricing over the same branded retail stores. But if we're taking a 35-40% in store markup as the Best Buy or Office Depot examples, or policies as strict as Wal Mart, one has to wonder.

    1. Re:Internet/Retail Pricing by asylumx · · Score: 1

      there are probably some efficiencies in the business model of an internet transaction (aka mail order) that allow reduced pricing over the same branded retail stores

      I would imagine that often they recoup the cost difference through shipping & handling. Not always, though, surely there are "free shipping" offers sometimes.

      Also, accessories such as the converter you mentioned are marked up at a FAR higher rate than the big-box products usually are. Often time 200 - 300% above their company cost.
    2. Re:Internet/Retail Pricing by trix7117 · · Score: 1

      Having a different price in store than what you have on your website is one thing. If you read the linked article (or the story/discussion on /. a while back) you would know that the issue is Best Buy has a "secret" site that looks exactly like the real site but has different (read: higher) prices which they then use to deny price matching to their own website (which they claim to allow).

      I had an issue with this back before I heard anything about the secret site where I was attempting to use a coupon from bestbuy.com. The Best Buy employee stated they weren't honoring the coupon because it was a fake, and when I told them I had just printed off of their site 10 minutes earlier, they brought up "bestbuy.com" and I couldn't find the coupon anywhere. I left, went home, verified the coupon was available at bestbuy.com and called up customer service. Eventually the customer service rep called the manager of my local store and forced them to accept the coupon. I wrote the incident off as a freak occurrence, but after learning about their "secret" site I think it's pretty obvious they brought up the secret site (whether intentionally or not I leave to your opinion of Best Buy employees) and used that to "prove" the coupon wasn't available from their website.

  96. Another one bites the dust? by sofla · · Score: 1

    I used to have Speakeasy IDSL. I went with them initially because they were the only ISP that would touch me (I was too far from the CO for DSL, and the clueless cable company only had asymmetric lines back them). But even paying a king's ransom for a terrible line speed, I have to say that Speakeasy had above and beyond the most knowledgeable, helpful staff I ever had the pleasure of working with. The only reason I'm not still with them is that Bellsouth finally put a 'repeater' (wrong word I know, remote switching unit maybe?) and are able to get me 60x the line speed that Speakeasy can. Ironically, it was a Speakeasy tech that told me to ask BS about the switching unit in the first place.

    To combine them with Best Buy, who are legendary for their fleet of inept non-technical drooling mouthbreathers, is truly a tragedy. I will hope against hope that Speakeasy weathers the storm and remains a Company That Doesn't Suck, but for some reason this announcement has Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" running through my head.

  97. What I want to know is ... by jc42 · · Score: 1

    When do we start losing the right to run our own servers, and when do we start losing support for non-MS systems?

    These were the two reasons I switched to speakeasy. The other so-called ISPs hereabouts sell only browser service, not internet service, and don't allow customers to run their own web or email servers. They also won't talk to you until you connect a MS Windows box to their modem. Since Best Buy is "business oriented", we can expect that they'll pressure speakeasy to adopt similar restrictions.

    And when they do, what recourse do we have?

    Maybe we should start talking about a class-action suit to establish that "Internet Service" means IP, not HTTP-only. Service that restrict what ports you can use shouldn't be sold as "Internet Service", but rather something like "Web Service", so you know what you're buying.

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  98. Yes, check out sonic.net by darrylo · · Score: 1

    I'll second the recommendation for sonic.net (I have no connections to them, aside from being a happy customer). They're a regional ISP (California, and Arizona?), and so they don't serve everyone (although dial-up might work, but most people probably don't want that). However, if anyone's looking for a new ISP, and they can serve you, you really should check them out.

    Also, don't take my word for it. Check out their DSLreports entry. Also, see how they compare to other regional ISPs (at the bottom of this page).

  99. Nothing gold can stay by illegalcortex · · Score: 1
    I have been very happy with my Speakeasy service, but I expect the long, horrible downhill phase to begin almost immediately. BB has had absolutely zero success at not turning cool independent companies to shit after buying them. The final slap in the face comes from the press release:

    Best Buy, like Speakeasy, is known for its high level of customer service. Our reputation as a trusted provider of voice and data services with stellar customer service will not change. Our values are similar too -- Best Buy shares our customer passion, respect for individuals, and drive to do the right thing while achieving results.
  100. grammar? by encoderer · · Score: 1

    ...I love my grammar...

  101. Remember the 2-11! by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    Ahh, the 2-11, with their "No Whistling" policy, and "I'm a Whistler" punishment signs. There has never been another poolhall in the area with the same awesome vibe. *sniff*

    The Garage and Jillians just aren't the same (at all). Very sad.

  102. Unintentional topical humor from Thunderbird by jc42 · · Score: 1

    I just opened my Thunderbird window that shows my speakeasy email account. There was a new message from Bruce Chatterley, the speakeasy CEO, talking about the Best Buyout. Above the message was the comment "Thunderbird thinks this message is junk."

    It was with great sadness that I reluctantly hit the "This is Not Junk" button. I'm sure that Thunderbird now considers me an idiot, and will never trust my judgement again.

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    Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
  103. Customer service: it's all relative by dru · · Score: 1
    When shopping for a vacuum cleaner, we went to Fry's. The salespeople had no idea about vacuum cleaners, just tried to sell us the most expensive model:


    "This one has a five year warranty."
    "It says on the box it has a 90 day warranty."
    "I'm sure if something went wrong, you could call them up and they'd replace it."

    We went to BestBuy, where the customer service was refreshingly better.

    That said, I would not switch to Speakeasy now, despite considering it over the last few months.

  104. I Work for a Competitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the past few months two of our competitors have been bought by much larger companies. First Microsoft picked up TellMe, and now Best Buy's getting SpeakEasy. We happen to host applications for both Microsoft and Best Buy so I can't help but to wonder how this will impact us.

  105. Re:fuckeasy by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

    That sounds *exactly* like my experience with them in 2003. They sent me the DSL kit, I hooked it all up, didn't work, I thought they just hadn't gotten their end activated yet. A couple days later, they call me up and ask how the DSL is working (very thoughtful, actually). I say "Huh? It doesn't work at all." A lot of troubleshooting led to an SBC guy coming out and testing the line at the demarc. He told me "I can sync my meter here, but there's no way an ordinary cable modem would get that signal. You're just too far from the CO."

    This was reported back to Speakeasy, which then lead to a week of fingerpointing, denial, and "he said/she said" between Speakeasy and Covad. At the end of that week, I was supposed to get talk to a higher-level support tech. He didn't even bother showing up for the conference call. I called Roadrunner Business Class and said "I want static IP service, how soon can you hook me up?" They said "three days." I then asked a bunch of technical questions, got answers (the right ones), and said "Do it."

    I never had a problem with Time Warner/Roadrunner and wish I still lived in their service area.

  106. The Gates connection by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... and Kirkpatrick & Lockhart Preston Gates Ellis LLP acted as Speakeasy's legal adviser, Best Buy said.

    K & L Gates is the combination of several law firms including Preston Gates & Ellis LLP, co-founded by William H. Gates, Sr, father of Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates.

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  107. Privacy Policy by jschmerge · · Score: 1

    As a current Speakeasy subscriber, I am very worried about what the changes will be made to both the terms of service and data monitoring/privacy policies. Also, what impact will being owned by a public company have on policies?

    If anyone from Speakeasy is able to thoughtfully answer these concerns, I'd like to know the answers. I have to say I am very disappointed in this deal... Best Buy is not a company I like to do business with. The only way that this deal would have been worse is if Speakeasy pimped themselves to Starbucks.

  108. Going with the flow (to the sewer) by themushroom · · Score: 1

    Have to agree, if the Geek Squad going from respectful to an industry joke, and BestBuy itself being known for its cluelessness to customers, this does not bode well for Speakeasy.

    Having worked for Speakeasy for three days, must say (and this is just my opinion, based on watching a training class of 10 get whittled down to 0 in five days when they needed two dozen new agents due to overgrowth) that this shouldn't surprise me... the further from the production floor one gets there, the less 'with it' things get.

  109. Apple is having this problem too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked as a Mac Genius, and the retail managers are mostly clueless about a service/repair business. Those of us with lots of service experience had a terrible time with the retail attitude. Retail management sees the customer who is standing right in front of them as the only one who matters, while a technical business is still dealing with the customer who was in four days ago with a broken computer.

    It doesn't help that in most Apple Stores, the Genius Bar is constantly swamped. As much as I liked the job, being out of the pressure cooker is a relief.

  110. Cyberonic ? by arete · · Score: 1

    Before I had Speakeasy, I had Cyberonic. Originally they were MCI - this caused a big, horrible, unplanned outage while I was out of town that required my intervention and a sudden IP switch. They did not rise to the occasion, but the real problem was MCI stopping service.

    Post-MCI, they were Covad.

    The phone support wasn't nearly as good as Speakeasy. Not 24-7 even.

    But the uptime was actually basically similar (speakeasy's hasn't been perfect, but I didn't know that then), it was actually cheaper, and the ports were all open. The policies were basically the same.

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  111. Any recommendations for a VoIP provider? by arete · · Score: 1

    So I JUST posted that message when I remembered: I also have VoIP through Speakeasy. (I did this very specifically because I believed they'd be best able to _rapidly_ transfer my POTS number.) I'm almost definitely going to switch that when my contract is up - the one other feature they said they offered isn't actually true (it doesn't perform upstream QoS itself.)

    So if anyone has recommendations for a highly available VoIP provider, I'm all ears.

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  112. Speakeasy is already going downhill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last few times I've called Speakeasy with what are obviously arp problems between their routers and my machines, I've talked to tech support people who have no idea what arp is, or how to clear an arp table, or how to fix the basic problem of not retaining a stale arp cache for half a day. I feel like I'm running on a hamster wheel with their customer service.

    In addition, it took them six weeks to install DSL in my new apartment, and whenever I asked about how it was going, they implied I was a jackass.

    Speakeasy is already dead. Don't mourn it.

  113. Will this strengthen a non-network-owning ISP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully this will position them to help ward off SBC/Verizon/Comcast in the "Net Neutrality" fight. We need some strong players. Otherwise soon it will be, "Sorry, the E-Bay site is not available to our customers. Click here to visit Comcast Net Auctions instead."

    I'll stick with Speakeasy till they give me reason to leave.

  114. OneLink alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a current Speakeasy OneLink DSL customer, which gives me a Covad dry loop since I don't have traditional phone service. This news is probably going to make me switch. Anyone know of an equivalent service from a decent ISP?

  115. sucky by godless+dave · · Score: 1

    I'm a Speakeasy customer, and it would have been nice to hear about this in an email from the company instead of reading it on Reuters.

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  116. Re:OpenBSD as a firewall? by Creepy · · Score: 1

    yeah - sorry, I used ipchains for so long before using iptables briefly and then switching to a hardware firewall (Linux based, but no direct CLI interaction) that it popped into my brain first. I'm pretty sure they both had traffic shaping, however. I'm currently using my mac box for that purpose (mainly because it's my oldest and least used machine).

  117. Re:OpenBSD as a firewall? by Creepy · · Score: 1

    I wish...

    I still basically live in the basement, but I have my own now. If I still lived at home, Mom woulda come downstairs and pulled the plug on my servers for wasting electricity, even if she did have a 30 mile long house ;)