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Google Faces Plagiarism Questions Over Chinese Software
yaohua2000 writes "Google's laboratory in China has launched its first product, a Pinyin Input Method Editor. The software allows the romanized characters to be translated to more traditional Chinese symbols , via entering on a QWERTY keyboard. Users soon discovered that the data Google used for the product was unusually similar to the data used by a Chinese rival, Sogou. Google has evaded the question about software similarities, reports PC World. 'The similarities, which included an error involving the name of a celebrity, were noted on a Google Labs discussion board about its Pinyin IME. Users noted that entering the Pinyin pinggong into the Google IME incorrectly produced the name of Feng Gong, an actor and comedian.'"
Blame the Sogou authors, and call them inhuman. Also say it isn't plagarism because it's beta.
Let me be the first to say... WHAT?
Then again, you had to be really stupid to believe that to begin with.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
Coming up with the same algorithm isn't terribly unlikely. Structuring it in the same way is not uncommon either. Making exactly the same mistakes, however, is hard to believe.
Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
Of all the countries in the world to bitch about someone stealing or copying...
I might know what I'm talkin' about, but then again, this is Slashdot...
"Ancient Chinese secret, huh?"
while i am not insisting that it is the case, it seems like it could easily be the same logic flaw. Different algorithms and code can produce the same mistake if you are using the same mis guided logic behind the problem. Thats why you see the same bugs in students' code in university, even when worked on separatly during a lab.
insight through the mind
How long has laboratory been a verb?
Using http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=use%20possess ive%20with%20verb&btnG=Google+Search you find http://usawocc.army.mil/IMI/wg6.htm to be the first result. At the very end of the page, what's that say? Oh yeah, hmm. You CAN do that.
In this case it's not only wrong, but the s doesn't belong there at all. If you're going to grammar-nazi, at least do it well.
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
Unfortunately, since the IME is only used by Chinese speakers, most reports and discussions about this are in Chinese as well. For example, Sina has published an announcement (in Chinese) from Google admitting that they indeed "used data from non-Google sources" during the testing stage.
There were actually much more evidence than the PC World article mentioned, the most convincing being that Google IME included many names of the developers of Sogou IME.
Although according to the other users (I don't use Google Pinyin myself now, or Windows for that matter), the error has been fixed - and those developer names has been removed - in the most recent version of Google IME (1.0.17.0).
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I guess this explains google's amazing capability and seemingly flawless record- no company could be that clever!
They were pirates all along! I knew their original idea of 'searching the web' seemed oddly similar to their rival yahoo...
I'll be watching you, google!
Did I read this right, to understand that the Chinese are complaining about someone stealing IP ?
We are all just people.
Nobody should be surprised to find someone copied it.
bashing - or trying to bash Google is a sure way to increase hits these days.
Did Google say they did not hired another company to program the software, or is the media insinuating it?
Did Google say who they're Chinese rivals vs. allies are, or did the media tell us?
One possible situation: What if Google hired another company to create the software? What if that 3rd party company stole IP? What if Google is looking into the issue right now and therefore won't comment to the public media? (pure speculation, but proves other avenues might exist for possibilities to open up).
You see, Google has not answered many questions yet and this does not an admission of guilt.
Google code search (http://www.google.com/codesearch) Obviously Works!
This wouldn't be the first time that Google used other people's software in their live services without due credit.
Another example is the spell checkers that Google's Gmail have for the dozen or so languages to support. Nowhere to be found is an explanation of where these spell-checkers come from, so it would be safe to assume that Google wrote them themselves, or at least bought them from some company that allowed them not to give them credit? Well, the reality is more sad. It turns out that Google actually uses the free-software project, aspell, to do its spell-checking, and the dozens of person-years that went into writing the actual dictionaries for aspell were simply co-opted by Google. When you spell-check in some language X, you do not see any credit for the person who wrote the dictionary, or to aspell. Even if you look very hard in the documentation, this credit is nowhere to be found. It's all very legal under the GPL, but ugly behavior, especially for scientists (like most of the Google who's-who) who are used to giving credit where credit is due.
And how do I know that Google's Gmail uses free-software spell-checkers? Well, I used a method very similar to that described in the article. I'm the author of one of the dictionaries that Google "adopted", and I deliberately inserted some "misspelled" (aka "easter-egg") words into the dictionary, so I can immediately recognize a spell-checker based on my dictionary - and it turns out that Google's Gmail spell-checker is indeed based on my dictionary.
So it's great that Google reuses other software - free-software and commercial software - but they should learn to give credit where credit is due. It doesn't have to be the google.com homepage (of course) - even in some deep-down help page would do.
The link you mentioned specifically refers to gerunds. A gerund (verb ending in "ing") is not the same thing as a standard (not ending in "ing") verb. If you're going to correct the grammar police, at least make sure you've got your own grammar correct...
I misread pinyin and just about lost it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Pinyan
They have a copy of the internet! A COPY! How much of that do you think is copyrighted?
"This is our groupthink, it doesn't need to make sense. Now shut up and conform so you get your mod points!"
According to /., Google was doing input prediction three years ago:
Google Suggest
According to their public Changelog, the Sogou product was released June, 2006. According to the Internet Archive, Sogou is using the eBay style fonts and similar colors, their site looks a lot like Google, and they were touting their G-mail (gigabytes of mail) service well after the Google launch Gmail. Who is copying whom?
Without more evidence it isn't clear to me whether Google has done anything wrong. The fact is, there are various files around pairing Chinese characters and words written in Chinese characters with their Roman equivalents, many of them "free" for various notions of "free". Fairly comprehensive lists of this type have been around long enough that it is unlikely that anybody would start from scratch. You'd get some existing lists, combine them, review them for errors, and look for things that need to be added.
Even if there is evidence that Google consulted its competitor's data, it is far from obvious who if anyone has rights to the compilation. Suppose that the competitor itself took a free list and made a few modifications? Ethically, I don't see that Google would be doing wrong in that case. Legally, maybe - it would depend on the original license and on whether the competitor made sufficient modifications for a court to consider that they had a right to a compilation copyright.
I don't put it beyond Google to screw up, and maybe even intentionally "do evil", but I don't think that we can judge this case without knowing a lot more of the history of the data in question.
"Plagiarism" is an academic and creative concept. Plagiarism is about denying an individual credit for his creativity and misrepresenting someone else's ideas as your own. Using a text input method file from another product in your own product is not plagiarism because it doesn't involve creative ideas and because creating this kind of product is not about giving credit to individuals. Google may or may not be violating copyright (but, then, this is China).
That is not to say that a company can never commit plagiarism. In fact, several well-known computer companies are claiming in their marketing materials that they invented important technologies that they simply did not invent; arguably, they are committing some form of plagiarism, since they are, in fact, misrepresenting the source of creative ideas.
Here's my suggestion.
;)
Back on topic, if IP doesn't exist in China, then why does this matter?
Contrariwise, if IP is recognized in China, why doesn't somebody tell the Chinese?
Google's data includes Sogou developers' names.
You are totally comparing apples to oranges. aspell is a released package for people to use - much like any software components such as libc for people to build software upon. It's understandable that Google does not credit it on their website - it would be too many of those.
sogou's dictionary is a totally different story. It's never released separately with the intent for others to reuse freely. This is bloody copyright violation. I am really surprised that Google has done this.
I remember before that google also copied web pages from rivals such as Yahoo with extremely similar layout and wording.
Come on, honestly, none of you here ARE Chinese. Of you are an everyday Chinese IME user like myself, you won't give a damn as long as it bloody works!
As far as I'm concerned, it's still not user-friendly enough. It's not like SOGOU came up with some really new IME, if that's the case, then let's start talking IP. People just like to abuse patents for profit nowadays.
My 5 RMB for you.
You released it under the GPL... Didn't you read the license? If you want recognition, which yes is a valid requirement, shouldn't you use a license which demands attribution?
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Everybody who says something along the lines of "bah, chinese complaining about stealing" should note that all Chinese are not connected into one single conscious entity, but are different individuals.
The people who own this IP need not have stolen any other IP.
It is as dumb as saying that all Americans are christian, guntouting, fat fuckasses.
This is not just about China. Both GOOG and SOHU are NASDAQ companies, and the software is released to the world (including US). So SOHU could sue GOOG.
If GOOG or whatever US companies think a Chinese company infringed on their rights, they can sue, instead of whining on online forums.
So, what's your exact point?
I read recently that plagiarism is common in China, it extends not just to software (apparently) but to journal publications, this is due to English being a second language. Researchers who often have an incomplete grasp of English, copy large sections of text from western papers in order to help them write their papers. I think this is a bit of a grey area. I have myself been utterly suck for words and resorted to using a phrase or colloquialism, just a few words long, from another paper (I always re-write into my own style; a bit of guilty confession). It allows me to express my research findings in the language that is common to my research area. You often find similar phrases and expression in papers in the same field, it is clear that diffusion of language occurs in science, how else do we understand each other. I wonder if this example is due to language difficulties and people resorted to copying text, but went too far.
In Soviet Russia, Chinese software plagiarizes YOU!
This confirms it: meta-discussion of Slashdot makes for karma whoring. Now, can I recurse again and have that be the case?
The following is a grammatically correct sentence in which "Google's" is followed by a verb:
"Yahoo's homepage is packed with content, while Google's is sparse."
So what's all this talk about China not having legal restrictions on the distribution of ideas? (People get mad when I call it IP law)
What?
Is implying that someone is homosexual really still considered an insult, in this day and age?
I suppose to red-state yokels, perhaps. Red-state yokel PC users.
Basically Google China, headed by the SOB Kaifu Lee, is Evil. It is no surprise that they are copying stuff because they are a joke.
There ARE numerous evidences that showed the Google Pinyin IME input method (a.k.a. Google Pinyin) indeed copied the data libriary of Sogou Pinyin IME input method's (a.k.a Sogou Pinyin). Developers of the Sogou pinyin created some easter eggs in their products (e.g. all the names of the Sogou develpement team members, a few spelling typos), Programmers of Google China copied all these easter eggs and typos verbatium to their Google Pinyin product verbatim.
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Sohu.com (NASDAQ: SOHU), the owner of the Sogou Pinyin, accused Google China's plagiarism behavior in their official announcement today (in Chinese), asking Google to stop the copyright infrigment, apologize in public media to SOHU.
http://tech.sina.com.cn/i/2007-04-08/17041454175.
The PR officer of Google China (NASDAQ: GOOG) also released an official response a few hours later today (in Chinese).
http://tech.sina.com.cn/i/2007-04-08/18351454194.
Google China's official response acknowledged that "the Google Pinyin IME Input method included some data not created by Google itself, and those data have been removed in the latest update". Google China's offical announcement still didn't acknowledge the original data creator, didn't appologize for their copyright infrigement either. Accodring to SOHU, there are still undisclosed "easter eggs" created by Sogou Pinyin programmers even in the latest update of Google Pinyin.
FYI: Here are the screen shots of a few easter eggs and typos in Sogou Pinyin, which are found in Google Pinyin verbatium.
http://www.donews.com/Content/200704/69ce12fbc826
http://www.donews.com/Content/200704/69ce12fbc826
Just fucking google it ;)
Chinese is a complex language to write. It doesn't use an alphabet (like most western languages). It doesn't even use syllables (like, for example, 2 of the Japanese writing system), it uses logographs : in an over-simplified way, we can say they use 1 symbol for every different word/idea/etc.
This makes thousands of different symbols (According to wikipedia : a little less than 50k variants in the Kangxi dictionary).
This ISN'T something you can put on a regular occidental 107 keys keyboard.
Therefor you have several solutions :
- Custom keyboards :
Use special keyboards where the most frequently couple of thousand of symbols are present.
Not very practical (symbols harder to find compared to looking for a letter on a 107 keyboard). Wikipedia has a picture.
- By shape of characters :
Either by handwriting recognition, or by decomposing charachters (the different strokes) and putting them on a regular keyboard layout.
- By sound of words :
Either by using something like Zhuyin which is system that was invented to help teaching chinese. It has 31 symbols, 1 for each consonant or vowel in chinese. As such, it can be used for other purposes, like putting it on a keyboard : the person type the sound and the software guess the corresponding word/logogram.
Or an alternative method is the Pinyin : it uses latin letters to write the sound. (And thus is interesting for computers on which latin keyboards are widespread).
The mapping of sound to logographs isn't completely straightforward, for example Chinese is a tonal language, but some system don't require the writer to specify tones using marks. Some software work is required. And this software isn't infallible.
Google released such a software. User can phonetically type Chinese on any occidental keyboard using (tone-less) pinyin, and the software tries to convert it to actual Chinese characters.
This software produce the same correct results as another popular one. (Hopefully. If the google soft didn't give the correct results, there would be problems. I wouldn't be a functional pinyin input system).
Sometime, the software hesitates and give a choice of possibilities. Most of the time, the same as the concurrent (Possibly explained by the fact that both softwares have to process the same user input, using the same pronunciation system that isn't unambiguous).
But, sometime the Google soft is plain wrong, and produces the same errors as the concurrent. And THIS is suspicious, because maybe some part of the software uses piece from the concurrent (part of the algorithm ? statistical data ?)
The company is suing googles on the grounds that if both softwares behave the same down to the bugs, maybe some part could have been illegally copied.
Meanwhile, adepts of Google Seppuku rejoiced world wide a cheap and easy to find software that could also be used to produce random chinese caracter to be subsequently imported into Google as Kanji.
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It is Chinese stealing from other Chinese. Not really surprising since they have no qualm stealing from any company and then trying to claim it for their own work.
It also partially why you do not want to use china to do any IP type work. They will steal from others and leave your company at risk, as well as allow other chinese companies to steal from yours.
Understand that this is simply a big part of who they are now. They have been taught for the last 60 years that all the property belongs to the state and the community. It will be difficult for them to consider private ownership of anything for a number of generations. I am guessing that it will end about the time that China considers itself a superpower (which will happen). Sadly, that may be when a war occurs with between either China and (America|Russia|Europe|India). Offhand, I am guessing Russia. They will need a number of their resources (land, water, oil, etc).
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Of course not. Did you miss the pedophile part? You must be in denial, or just trying to deflect attention from your sick fantasies.
I suppose to red-state yokels, perhaps. Red-state yokel PC users.
Eh, I live - and grew up in - a blue state. One thing I've noticed about living here...you all see what you want to see, no more, no less. I hit the "homosexual" buzzword and you launched into a recorded defense, completely unaware you were actually defending man-boy sex. You should be so proud.
yes, you stupid, repulsive, filthy, homo. Go play hide-the-sausage with some dude now.
Gmail also uses svmlight for its spam filtering and as far as I know they don't give any credit to their authors. So it seems to be something that Google does quite regularly.
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There seem to be a few misunderstandings here regarding Chinese text entry. First, because this is China and the official language is Mandarin Chinese. This means there are 37 distinct syllables, not the hundreds some have claimed. The distinction is that in addition to those there are 5 tones. This doesn't mean there are that many syllables times the number of tones. Think of tones as accents. Additionally, certain syllables only appear in certain places in a word. So it isn't quite an overwhelming task to type Chinese on a computer as you'd think.
The keyboards used in China, Taiwan, Singapore and even Japan are almost always QWERTY, but that's irrelevent. Virtually nobody except Westerners use that to type. Printed on Chinese keyboards are 4 sets of characters. The first set is our alphabet, and the next 3 sets include characters for different text entry methods.
I don't know about China, but in Taiwan one of the sets is Zhuyin fuhao. That system, as I've seen mentioned here, is a set of simple characters, each corresponding to a distinct sound, 21 consonants and 16 syllables. It's the closest thing to a Chinese alphabet in existence. It's only really used for educational purposes, but I don't see why it isn't widely adopted in the same way the Japanese use hiragana or katakana.
Anyway, that system is comparable to Pin Yin, which is more or less a romanized version of the same thing and it's what is used for signage in China, and now in Taiwan as well. This is the method a westerner is more likely to use to type Chinese.
The funny thing about Chinese is that the same word could have many different meanings each of which has a distinct character. So you type the word, including the appropriate tones and up comes a list with all the corresponding characters. Then one character is chosen from a list. It's kind of like predictive text. In same cases, when a set of characters produce a meaning, upon entering the first character the user is given a list of additional characters. It's all done, obviously to speed up the typing process.
So, this input method can be sufficiently quick. Comparable to typing English. However, there are other entry methods, based on different factors which can be more precise and significantly quicker. I have no idea how to use any of those, but it's my impression that typing in those methods can be quite faster than most people typing in English.
Of course, this begs the question, why did Google bother coming up with their own system? Things are always a bit of a mess with all the options out there.
As for the possibility of code being plagiarized. I'm really not surprised at all. This is one of the consequences of outsourcing. The company might have a policy against this sort of thing, but the programmer clearly didn't care. He probably thought he could save himself a bit of trouble and ultimately saw nothing wrong with it. I've experienced similar things first hand. Unless you have a team you trust there needs to be a lot of oversight and careful management
Google has learned how to do business in China.
Congrats to them.
I never heard of these IMEs from google or souhu before but as I work with Chinese on a daily basis it is scary to think that these 3rd part applications can actually record everything you type and send it to the google or the Chinese government, whatever. The idea of having an IME that can easily carry from one system to the next all your custom words is a good idea, and the internet would be fine if it linked only to a machine of my choosing. Personally I think being able to store custom IME data on a USB drive would be even better, and whoever implements it first probably stands to make a big buck considering how cheap USB drives are and how convienent it would be to go from the library to a net cafe or wherever else you can think of, and have all your custom IME settings loaded instantly.
Google China has admitted the plagiarism and apologized to its users and rival in its official blog in Chinese.
Wow, so the Chinese have been copying western IP for the last 30 years, basically EVERYTHING they have is copied from western companies. Now they complain about Google using the same phonetic sounds to character conversion? Haha taste of their own medicine for once...
Go and take a look at Baidu www.baidu.com, China's number 1 search engine, (its a copy of google) which owns sogou, (the company accusing google of copying their input engine).
Plagiarism has been confirmed officially by Google, Sohu and IDG news reporter Sumner Lemon.
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Google admits word database came from third party - Network World
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/040907-upda
An earlier report by the same reporter: Sohu to Google: Take down copycat software
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/040707-sohu
Google China's Official Apology to Sohu.com (in Chinese)
http://googlechinablog.com/2007/04/blog-post.html
i'm a chinese college student.the only thing that i should persume to ask youis that do you know China?do you know baidu,huawei,do you have any notions about Chinese shenzhou5 spacecraft?do you even have a look at even chinese website? you do not know!you do know chinese language,and just know how follow and dance with rumors. so please pretend that you know,this can just let yourself humilated,i think. man ,think before lean.
If this was indeed an attempt to catch someone stealing their data or IP, then it might have been a fictitious entry.
I agree with the previous post. I have been working in China at a Chinese company for the past two years. I was mainly building a 'rice sorting machine' there. Rice is the staple food and there is not too much competition in this field from inside the country. My task was to write the software for the device and do some of the hardware development as well.
So to start with they gave me a finished mechanical design I could design electronics and software for. After a while I found out that this mechanical design is a one-to-one copy of a Japanese machine. Anyway after all that has been said about Chinese perspective on IP nothing special about that. Later after I finished all the development work and everything seemed to be going accoring to plan, suddenly my bosses became very worried and started talking about software and hardware protection. So I had to integrate some encryption into my programs, sand off the type inscriptions of the MCUs I used and so on.
So even they though my company had copied some other design themselves (or maybe just because of that), they wanted to make 100% sure that no one else was going to copy their's. And right they were: One day some sales guys of a customer came by to look at the machine and be present while one is built. I was there as well doing some supervision and so at one time one of these guys takes me aside and asks me: 'Ok Mr engineer, my company can pay you a nice flight to our province and give you quite an amount of money, if you just tell us which password you used to encrypt the software on your machine. Maybe you could email us the schematics as well?'. Hmmm. Well, I did not tell, but mentioned it when I later needed some leverage to make my company pay me the money we had agreed on in the beginning.
So you see business tactics in China are just rough. It is definitely the same for foreign and Chinese companies. Only that the later ones are used to it.
So even if the Chinese branch of Google stole code from the other company for their product, it is just a more or less normal business tactic. Also the outcome of an eventual lawsuit would depend more how good their connections (or their opponent's) to the government are than on if they actually stole something or not. As has been mentioned, in China there is the principle of 'Guanxi' (good relations) which (especially in bigger cases) totally overrules all other judicial instances. So the more money you have the more powerful you are. And Google being (besides Baidu.com) the most popoular search engine in China for sure is powerful.
On the other hand the talk about China in a way that they only eat up IP from other countries and cannot produce any by themselves is by my experience not true. Many companies do not just copy things but they actually try to make improved copies (this was certainly the case for the sorting machine). I was assisted by several engineers who really knew what they were doing and would have no trouble to find very well paid positions in the west. Many people who come to China first might have a very high-nosed opinion about Chinese peoples' education, business tactics, manners etc. But if you look at the details when you are there you will find that these things are in no way 'worse' than in our culture, they are just different. And as China's economic rise seems unstoppable, companies should just get ready to deal with this different culture to their advantage. Like Google (maybe) just did.
Since the announcement of Google's Pinyin Input System on April 4th, 2007, Google has received large amounts of feedback and suggestions. Among those, we are especially concerned about suspicions of the origins of the vocabulary database for Google's Input System. During the testing stage, indeed, it included non-Google data. We are willing to face this problem and, thus, apologize to both our users and Sohu. We have simultaneously taken action, this Sunday, April 8th, 2007, noontime, we have completed the second release of Google's Pinyin Input System (Google Input Method version 1.0.17.0). We have taken 2 days to completely update the vocabulary database. The current vocabulary database has been produced from the large amount of search data that Google has accumulated over many years. We welcome users and those in industry to continue to watch over/inspect our upgrade. Google itself will, and hopes that others in the search industry can continue to work hard to improve all aspects of [Chinese] input methods, create new, practical functions, provide more to users, and give them better experiences Last, once again, we want to express our apologizes to our users and to Sohu!
There is no action for plagiarism. Either this is a copyright infringement issue, or it's nothing.
"We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
I read many posts on Slashdot last week about how the Chinese copy stuff from us. So this must be a mistake. Maybe the story got mixed-up and its about the Chinese copying Google's software.
Given the surplus of males in the populations of both India and China, an apocalyptic conflagration seems inevitable, in order to cull and rebalance those two populations.
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
For a company whose motto is "don't be evil," it strikes me as hilarious that Google is now responsible for more corporate piracy than Microsoft.
StoneCypher is Full of BS
That is why I love Wikipedia and GPL. Being secretive is not good. If Google wants to become good, it has to reduce secrecy over time.
http://id3as.livejournal.com/
Actually, I do know your spacecrafts, very well. I have followed your program with interest for some time. I have worked on NASA projects as well as have worked for other US gov. groups (during mid 80's and then post 9/11), so I have a very strong interest in China and other groups (of coruse, back in the 80's, it was USSR). Even now, I still read some of your papers (it is a bit like reading foxnews or pravda, but still worth trying to understand the leadership of china).
In addition, I have taught and worked with a large number of Chinese over the years. Almost all were mainland, not Taiwanese ( but a few were ). I noticed that they were all hard workers and bright, but also found a few who were very interested in getting info that they had no reason to obtain; I found it most interesting when a "taiwenese" restaurant owner was willing to invest over a million dollars into a start-up provided that we in turn secured it with a classified piece of equipment. The interesting part was that several times one of our guys overhead him discussing set-ups of visits to mainland, when he was telling us that he was going to taiwan (one of our guys could understand Cantonese, but he was not aware of that; sloppy on his part). Needless to say, the deal fell through.
But coming back to my students and co-workers. There are many concepts that are different from our 2 cultures. For starters, they like that I want us to stay out of Chinese business. They felt that China had plenty of freedom and that the Chinese gov. was not too harsh. I differ with that, but I also believe it is NOT our place to interfere with.
A few that I got to know better had told me that our concepts of patents and copyrights flew in the face of the good of society. Personally, I tend to agree. What our funding fathers did was to offer limited time IP rights, from which society could take advantage of. That was actually a good idea. But China simply believes that IP rights should not exist at all. They are now in the process of instilling these ideas in the citizens. That will take a generation or 2, or it will take a few bullets to speed up the process.
So, please tell me. what exactly am I missing? I would certainly like to learn more. It is never too late to learn more about another.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I agree. That is what is going to lead China to invade others. The other big issue that they will have is that if the climate models come true, then western China and major parts of eastern, will have great difficulty with water, and subsequently, food. They will need to obtain it from somewhere. It will either be the Himalayas or it will be Russia.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
China in many ways, is the ultimate in Capitalism. In fact, had American founders not implemented small IP rights, we probably would have been very similar in out business approach.
I know that lots of theft goes on between the business (it is obviously not just chinese stealing from outsiders).
But as you point out, they improve on the design. It is interesting to see some of the designs that come out. In particular, I have seen a number of toys that were made here be heftier and last much longer with better QC. But what I find interesting, is that every so often, I see new designs where they use a fraction of the resource to make it, WITHOUT compromising the quality or durability of the item. It means that they are learning how to do manufacturing processes in new and clever ways. Once they learn QC, EU, Japan, and America will be in serious trouble.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
en,in some way you are right,in fact,i have to say that you do know something about china,especially for the word you mentioned:"guanxi",which acts as our country's greatest pain.i concede that to let GUANXI go beyond LAWS can never be mean justice in any time,in any country,and,as our pre-minister ZhuRongji addressed in his inaugural speech"prepare for me a tomb',he ,with our nation,are sparing no effort and no fare trying eradicate this bad custom.But he time left to our country to polish our constitution and the spirit of our people is too short,i should to say.Science and democracy have been in Unite state for more than 200 years,but for China,comparatively,we did never learn this two terminologies till around the year 1919.but since the education system in China is becoming more and more improved,more and more persons have access to high education,i believe the day are impending when our people become to more and more respect
right,repect the gains of others' pains.
for baidu and google,en,i think that it is hard to believe that baidu can thrive and gradually surpass google just by plagiarism,isn't it?the man who argue that China just know to copy can shut up,you do know how severe the block of western technology againest China is.American government offically declare that the techniuqe that can be bestowed to China must be inferior than the leading ones at least two generation,where can we copy from?