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What MSN, Google, Yahoo and AOL Know About You

hotgist writes "America's top four Internet companies, Google, Yahoo, AOL and Microsoft's MSN, promise they will protect the personal information of people who use their online services to search, shop and socialize. But a close read of their privacy policies reveals as much exposure as protection. The massive amounts of data these companies collect, which can include records of the searches you make, the health problems you research and the investments you monitor, can be requested by government investigators and subpoenaed by your legal adversaries. But this same information is generally not available to you."

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  1. Same problem, new technology by loafing_oaf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Were things really much more private before the Internet as we know it today? You had to approach actual experts like doctors for any questions you had. That leaves a trail. And if you had checked out library books as research, I'm sure the government could trace those records as well, even before computerized systems. Technology simply makes the process shorter.

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    1. Re:Same problem, new technology by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And when the process is shorter, it increases the scope of abuses. Imagine if 1940s Germany had the ability to find all the jews? It's not so farfetched to beleive the US would ask google to run a find_all_arabs() function in the event of a second terrorist attack.

  2. Re:Google allows you to see past searches... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you really think that Google doesn't keep track of your past searches, just because you disabled it?

  3. Most people dont value privacy by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Most people just dont care. People carry frequent shopper cards for their regular grocery store. Tagged to a real name, not some pseudo handle, tagged to a real address. And they fill their prescriptions there too. All for what? 25cents off a loaf of bread. Even on line people just dont seem to care. The kind of information people post in Facebook and other places, the amount of information they reveal in their blog, using real name that any prospective employer can search for...

    They (my nephews and nieces) look at me as though I am an brontosauraus wearing Sanjaya's fauxhawk when I talk to them about the dangers of "overexposure" (both literally and figuratively) in the internet.

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    1. Re:Most people dont value privacy by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I picked my frequent shopper card up out of the parking lot in front of the grocery store, so while it is attached to a real name and address, god alone knows whose.

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    2. Re:Most people dont value privacy by fatmonkeyboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're using anything but cash to pay at the grocery store, they can already store all of this information about you.

      You swipe your credit/debit card and there's nothing to stop the store from recording your name along with everything you purchased in a database. Your address may not be on the card's magnetic strip (but I wouldn't be surprised if it were). My billing ZIP code has been checked at the register before, so its either on the card or (more likely) can be retrieved and/or checked by the software that verifies the transaction.

      Checks have the same problem - your name and address are probably on there. Mine are. Lots of stores are using electronic check readers, so there's not much difference between using those and a card.

      So, unless you're paying with cash, you might as well reap the benefits of the frequent shopper card. I know I will :)

  4. Re:Not very surprising by tgatliff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes but you cannot datamine a trashcan over several years without a considerable amount of effort. Meaning, there is an inherent cost in digging thru millions of peoples trashcans, including probably getting shot by some for intruding on their property. From a search engine companies perspective, there is no inherent cost of gathering this data. It is simply an benefit of their business model.

    To me this is a failure of congress once again. In no way should they have allowed companies to keep this information. With the current situation in the US political system, though, I suspect nothing will change anytime soon. I suspect that at some point GOOG and the others will get caught selling some of this intrusive data. At that point the pubilic will force congress's hand. Until then, however, we will have the deal with this situation...

  5. ...I don't know it? by Slaryn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...records of the searches you make, the health problems you research and the investments you monitor, can be requested by government investigators and subpoenaed by your legal adversaries. But this same information is generally not available to you.
    Erm, what? I'm pretty sure that what health problems I've researched or investments I've monitored are available to me, since I was the one that did them.
  6. Re:Google allows you to see past searches... by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it adds at least one step for a snoop trying to put me and my searches together(one with direct access to the various databases that is).

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  7. The next question by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone concentrates so much on which services are collecting information and what information they are collecting. The next, and more important, question is rightly,"What are they doing with it?" I'm not talking about the generalized vague notion that everyone has: they're selling it. Yes, of course, but to whom are they selling it? Do they portion it out or do they sell the entire database in raw csv format any time anyone asks? Is there a subscription service to receive weekly or monthly updates to the dataset? Is there any effort made to screen the people who offer to buy the dataset to ensure that they will similarly protect the privacy and security of the consumers represented within it? Are there services which will cross-reference the various databases to infer data which cannot be directly collected for legal or technical reasons? Are there services which buy these datasets which offer to correlate them with tax records, grocery card clubs, and DMV records?

    The answer to all of the above questions, of course, is "yes--to the worst extent possible and with absolutely no conscientious consideration for the consumer from whom the data is being mined". Take it for what it's worth. Twenty years ago the hospital kept records, the insurance companies kept records, the banks and retail outlets kept records, but they weren't so ready and apt to cross compile and sell those records to hundreds of political and fringe religious groups posing under infinitely ambiguous names such as International Financial Consultants, Ltd.

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  8. Re:and cookies too by Ngarrang · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Google really wants to keep on record and ill-tempered sea bass, they are more than welcome. Maybe I am being pessimistic, but I have given up on any true sense of privacy. One week after I purchased my house, I got an unsolicited sales call.

    I asked, "And how would you know about me just buying my house?"
    She replied, "It is a public record."
    "Oh, and did it also indicate that I wanted your stupid unsolicited sales call to wake me up at 9 *AM*?"
    "I am sorry sir..."
    "Just remove me from your list and never call again."

    And this was the result of a simple paper record. That pretty much removed any thought I had to privacy. The Do-Not-Call List seems to have worked in Ohio, but that fact that I had to report my number to a list, just so it wouldn't be called, bugged me.

    I suppose privacy is possible. Only use cash. Don't subscribe to any magazine. Switch e-mail address every month. Don't buy anything on-line. Don't get a credit card. Turn off the cookies in your browser. Register your new PC as "Bob Smith".

    Or, one could revel in the public nature of your records. Create some fake web pages that talk about fetishes you don't really have. Subscribe to the strangest of the strange web sites. Subscribe to every single magazine you can get for free. Drive the marketers crazy as they try to categorize you. "sir, where does a straight bisexual transvestite biker vampire ruby programmer fit into your database?"

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