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Many Dead In Virginia Tech Shooting
nexuspal writes "Over 20 confirmed dead at Virginia Tech. Shooter killed some at residence hall then two hours later killed others in classrooms. Worst school shooting in US history. "
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He killed nerds. He was shooting at us.
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He got away with it *both* times because the law emasculates the citizen from carrying a weapon at all times. If there were no restrictions on concealed carry, more people would carry. If V. Tech (like may schools) didn't ban firearms on its grounds, it's probable that some people in either group would have been armed and could have defended themselves.
Yes, the shooter was clearly out of his mind, and is to blame for the offense. However... we can blame the law for our collective lack of defense in situations like this.
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Or guns, like all school shootings.
Having everyone carrying guns around is just asking for them to be used during those moments we all have when we're not thinking clearly.
Drinkypoo, I guess you got the Right Wing Talking points memo from instanpundit, who posted "These things do seem to take place in locations where it's not legal for people with carry permits to carry guns, though, and I believe that's the case where the Virginia Tech campus is concerned. I certainly wish that someone had been in a position to shoot this guy at the outset." before he even had any of the links to the facts. Good for you. Will you be on Rush Limbaugh tonight?
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
20+ americans dead a tragedy? Or just a good start.
This isn't opportunistic trash. This is mocking the bullshit Americans spew about their constitution and the rights it gives them. Seems to me it gives them the right to shoot each other. I'm kind of amused by the number of people that take offence at this.
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What about the climate of the world being violent and oppressive? What about how being a young person, you're marginalized and aren't allowed to show any aggression anymore, so you have to internalize everything, all the while funding mass murder?
Mass murder is good, when in the best interest of your "country"
Animal aggression bad when expressed among boys.
See? Makes lots of sense.
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Everyone ignores him for being a crackpot, but he probably documented almost every part of what leads to a tragedy like this. Maybe American leaders should stop discounting the "left-wing radicals" and realize that no society is worth having a headline like this. Let alone more than once.
"Please describe the scientific nature of the 'whammy'" - Agent Scully
1) Live in a society that allows anyone to obtain lethal weapons of war.... 2) ???? 3) MASS SLAUGHTER!!
As a European I don't believe civilised people or society need guns except in the hands of the armed forces or those with enough of an interest in hunting to justify taking a firearms safety course. The constant stream of avoidable deaths in the USA constantly reaffirms my belief
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MOD PARENT UP! If I could have decided between insightful and funny, I would have.
The future isn't here until I can type "car keys" into Google and have it say "You left them in your pants last night."
I was waiting to listen to Jon Stewart or perhaps Keith Olbermann to find out which fucknut had said the most offensive thing about this in the first 24 hours. But I find it within hours on slashdot.
If you were not posting as an anonymous coward I would suggest that for every single minority student was killed in that shooting, I should be able to fill a 2 liter bottle with piss and make you drink it.
If there was a single Asian student among the dead, I should be able to shit on a plate and force you to eat it.
1. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Guns are technology designed to kill people. Broad aspects of technology- chemistry, physics, etc., is indeed completely neutral. However, when a technology is shaped by human will into a specific use, it is NOT neutral anymore. You can kill people with many things, a car for instance. However, a car is designed for transportation. What is a gun DESIGNED for? What is its INTENT? What else can it do? Open locks? Start fires? It's INTENT matters.
2. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
If you make something difficult to get, it is difficult to get, period. There will always be committed assholes who get guns and kill people, forever. The idea is to prevent the casual asshole from getting guns. It makes a fucking difference!
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3. We need guns to protect us from an abusive, fascist government.
It seems to me that the gun is the implement used to terrorize conventional civilian society for fascist means, all over the world. The guns sprinkled about society are just as much the tool of fascist elements as heroic militia. In other words, the notion of a protective independent militia is complete bullshit. At the very least, it's a wash of gun-toting elements supporting the fascist government and survivalists waging a holy war for the rememberance of Waco TX. But I think, if anything, more guns equals more will-to-power assholes able to exert power in the end.
4. You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.
That option seems more and more appealing every day. Unfortunately, it is the ones with the guns making the rest of us cold and dead. Go ahead and disagree with me, gun assholes. After all, you can always just shoot me, right?
Outlaw guns. The USA is seriously screwed up. This isn't the Wild West anymore. Everyone toting a gun does NOT mean more justice. IT MEANS MORE SENSELESS DEATHS, PERIOD!
If you give a kindergarten classroom a bunch of daggers, SOMEONE TENDS TO GET STABBED. If you take away the daggers, LESS GET STABBED. AMAZING FUCKING CONCEPT RIGHT?! I know, I'm really coming from some wacky crazy alien world with that concept, right?!
The propagandized amongst us hold us all hostage, and kill our children and our parents and our husbands and wives and friends FOR THE LOVE OF THEIR HOLY WEAPON.
OUTLAW GUNS.
NOW.
BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS YOU WHO THINK GUNS HAVE ANY PLACE IN CIVIL SOCIETY.
IT. HAS. NONE.
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You truly do put the "tool" in "death toll".
I'm sure the shooter was avoiding doing his shooting in places where the cops &c were concentrated. In fact, if they're like most campus police departments, they are utterly incompetent. They follow regular, easily memorized patrols, and there are large caps in coverage.
Then again, most cops are incompetent. Police are literally hired for their sheeplike qualities - people who will go along with authority. Most cops are simply armed, glorified parking attendants. Their sole function is to write tickets. They are trained to shoot, but they are frankly not all that highly trained. Some of them are excellent shooters, but not all of them.
I am not saying here that all cops are incompetent, or that all cops are idiots. But you have to keep in mind that the police are just a slice of the population like everyone else. And the majority of people are fucking lames. Ben Franklin is said to have stated that nine tenths of all men are living suicides. Personally, I accept that estimate - most people walking around might as well be dead for all the enjoyment they have of life and all the contribution they make to it. Even if the rate is half that amongst police, that means that the vast majority of them are walking around like robots. Robots with guns, hopped up on bad food and with a perpetual bad attitude from being hated all day.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Hey, I have an idea for you. Take all the guns away from your armed forces. After all, isn't it HORRIFYING to think that the solution to people shooting at you might be to SHOOT BACK?
That kind of escalation (a) kept the Soviets from ever attacking us and (b) won the cold war and destroyed them without firing a shot. So your point was... oh, I'm sorry, you didn't have a point.
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I am sitting here listening to the media asking cops idiotic questions like 'why did it take two hours for you to shut down the school'. Whenever anything happens today someone has to be blamed. The media instead should be asking itself why it is unable to do any 'investigative' journalism. As soon as bullets started flying, the media should have been sending reporters into the school, rather then find the information second hand and dolled out in parcels. Or at the very least find a first hand witness. They don't even know who the shooter is. If the media truely want to ask the 'hard hitting' questions, they should be asking society why they don't allow the students and teachers to carry guns. I know some of the anti-gun pussies will say that I am crazy. Well they are right, I am crazy, and tonight I am going to barge into your house and shoot you and everyone else in your living room. If you don't have a gun you are going to die. I am the reason the government should outlaw guns. Funny thing is though, I'm still going to barge into your house and shoot you, unless you shoot me first. So the question is up to you; do you want to be a slave to the law, or do you want to take personal responsibility for not getting yourself shot. The question is up to you -Peace
Which would mean he would not be allowed to (legally) own a gun. which goes to show that gun laws only keep the law-abiding from owning/carrying guns.
And you're a sanctimonious cock-sucking, gun-grabbing shithead.
1. Yes. we're in love with our guns. Suck it.
2. I agree.
3. No. Dumbasses using guns kill people. Get it fucking right.