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In Russia, 50% of News Must Be Happy
Several readers sent us to the New York Times for disturbing news on Russia's vanishing press freedoms. The story tells of how one of the few remaining relatively independent radio outlets in Russia recently acquired new managers, reportedly loyal to Vladimir Putin. Quoting: "At their first meeting with journalists since taking over Russia's largest independent radio news network, the managers had startling news of their own: from now on, they said, at least 50 percent of the reports about Russia must be 'positive.' In addition, opposition leaders could not be mentioned on the air and the United States was to be portrayed as an enemy, journalists employed by the network, Russian News Service, say they were told by the new managers, who are allies of the Kremlin."
freedoms vanish you?
In Russia... crap.
No pictures of caskets coming home from the mideast...
This whole thing is just a matter of degrees.
0% of any country's news must be proven factually accurate from what I can tell. Can we get some journalistic standards in the house? Anybody?
While I realize that censoring or controlling the news networks in any way is definitely a bad thing, I with that more news in North America showed positive information, whether then just all bad stuff. This is the reason that when I do watch the news, it's usually the morning news. They tend to put positive stories on, while still putting on the important stories so that we know what's going on in the world. I haven't watched evening news in years. It keeps getting worse and worse.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
From what I remember of American Military History, during the Cold War, many American textbooks kicked off the discussion with something to the effect of "There are two world superpowers, the US and Russia, locked in a struggle..."
Many Russian textbooks of the same era, however, took this approach (again, paraphrasing, not quoting anything): "There is one world superpower, and they mean to oppress us..."
During that time, just as afraid as we were of Communism, they were afraid that we were going to nuke them if the blinked twice.
Now, it appears, that Russia is reentering the thinking that there is one world superpower, and that they must fight against it. The problem with that, of course, is that our propaganda is currently directed elsewhere. I wonder what they'll fight against when the supposed enemy isn't fighting back?
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They are trying to compete with the US media!
We in the western world (either the states, or the UK where I currently live) might be much better off if the media were reporting some good news once in a while. The culture of fear is increasingly pervasive and it's fueled, in part, by the media scare-wagon, which cannot help but tell us about a new thing that is going to kill us or ruin our lives every week.
Enough is enough. Let's do the Putin thing.
If the news featured more positive stories.
American news THRIVES on depressing and horrifing scenarios. It's, well, depressing.
The world isnt a kind and gentle place, but must it be a manufacutred hell?
America viewed as an enemy? I know relations could be better, but enemy?
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Who leaked this script of this season's 24 to the Russians?!
Putin is putin' the USSR back together again. Bastard.
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Putin is starting to lose it, he's on a return to his KGB tactics and training. Say goodbye to democracy Russia!
I guess Slashdot is now illegal in Russia as it has nothing good say about Microsoft, Apple, DRM/RIAA, Anonymous Cowards, and Martha Stewart.
I wonder if these would count as examples of good news:
Blue Angles Jet Did Not Kill Anybody on the Ground And Five Pilots Are Alive and Well
Bush's Ratings Above Zero
At Least One Person Says Gonzolas Should Stay
Fallujah To Get Another New Chief
Space Engineer Will Not Get Any More Mediocre Job Reviews
Street Evangelists Rescues 300 Souls.
I guess it's possible to turn bad news into good news, but then everything will start to sound like The Onion.
Note that I am not trying to make light of any of these issues but to show how idiotic the new Russian stance is.
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In the U.S., staions choose the news according to what they think will get us tuned in.
..both with majority ownership by the Government or it's right arm, Gazprom (the largest oil company in the world...and majority owned by the Government)
In Russia, editors choose according to whether they will keep their job or not.
Fortunately, in the west we have 100 cable news channels to choose from...In Russia their are 2
Reminds me of a cartoon shortly after the Tiananmen Square Massacre that depicts Premier Deng saying, "Smile, martial law in Beijing has been lifted... anyone found not smiling will be executed."
This news from Russia makes me wonder whether USSR isn't dead, but, as Calvin and Hobbs liked to say, "transmorgrified". If so, then Americans have been deceiving themselves that they have somehow "won" the Cold War.
Most definitions of "free speech" don't actually include the freedom directly threaten someone with death, bodily harm, etc. The fact that you can't legally threaten the president's life in the USA protected by "free speech" clauses is not actually caused by that being a position of power; you can't legally make any death threats. Of course, some death threats are taken more seriously than others, and those being made against the president are probably taken pretty seriously. This could be seen as a failing of the American legal system, but it has nothing to do with free speech(and it is far from unique to America).
Although the United States is an increasingly unpopular country, China is a more likely enemy. The greatest points of conflict with the United States would be over Russian business deals with "anti-American" countries. The United States is unlikely to invade any more countries in the near future given the numerous complications of the Iraq war. Iraq was one of the biggest business partners of Russia and the countries did not come to blows over it. A great number of the conflicts that Russia has with the West are also with Europe. There has been a great number of conflicts over oil. As far as the "War on Terror", the US and Russia are natural allies. With Russia's occupation of Chechnya (which makes the Iraq war look like a visit to the playground http://http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_ War/), they have had repeated attacks by Muslim terrorists.
Russia has a lot of land and massive natural resources. China has a thirst for natural resources, severe internal conflict and a huge disproportially male population. If the effectiveness of Russia's nuclear arsenal was thought to be limited (perhaps by the development of new missile defence technologies), then China may invade Russia. The Chinese may be willing to lose ten million men to take a substantial part of Russian territory. A war for territory may move many of the disgruntled young Chinese men to the frontline.
I think the US is chosen as an enemy because America bashing is very easy right now. If the Russian government were to look at its most likely enemies, it may compromise it's business agreements.
> at least 50 percent of the reports about Russia must be 'positive.'
"Slow News Day in the Bureau today, Dimitri. We've only got one story: Another Russian Dissident mysteriously dying of radiation poisoning. I say let's split it: Dissident Dead, Putin under investigation, Polonium Stocks Up, KGB hiring"
"Ivan, I think you meant FSB. The KGB no longer exists."
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"If God created us in his own image we have more than reciprocated." - Voltaire
This is like comparing oranges to watermellons (go banana!) You can't compare non-protected speech, such as yelling fire in a crowded theatre. The issue here is not freedom of speech, which this country predominantly has and defends, but freedom of the press. The informal limits of the press such as a newspaper holding a story for potential national security issues are decided by a newspapers editors, not the government. While there can be repercussions, such as reduced access to officials, there is no formal state sponsored policy and actions deemed against one administation can buy brownie points with the next administration. Issues such as the Judith Miller affair was checked by the judicial branch and reviewed by the legislative branch through ad hoc committees. In Russia, on the other hand, it is a policy implemented and enforced by the executive branch of government, without checks and balances. It s a policy that instills fear on reporting the truth. Can someone threaten George Bush here? No. But can someone report on the incompetence of his administration? Absolutely!
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In democratic countries, threats against the functionaries of democracy are seen as threats against democracy itself. This is because the functionaries should act according to their own convictions and the promises that they have made to their voters. If instead they are forced or swayed by threats, democracy is subverted.
Terrorists can't threaten a country's freedom and democracy. Only lawmakers and voters can do that.
And before someone wants to criticize me by saying that the US is just as bad, I suggest you understand the meaning of the degrees of difference. Bush has abused the laws and now has a ~30% approval rating and is now a lame duck. Putin has abused the laws and has a >70% approval rating...
Then could you explain what the difference is between censorship laws and censorship by the back door because the press don't want to loose their privileged access to the president? At least with censorship laws you know that you can't trust the press. I find the voluntary censorship of the US press far more insidious.
The approval rating argument just doesn't carry weight...afterall it was only a few years ago that the candidate with the highest approval rating in the actual polls lost the election in the US. I've yet to see that happen in modern Russia.
Yep, looks like I have freedom of speech.
Yeah? Try posting some Scientology text.
What?
Since the gov't is paying the salaries of the gov't owned media, isnt' this the equivalent of your boss handing out a reporting assignment? I see no danger to the freedom of the press, I see capitalism at work.
Today in the news, War has broken out between Eurasia and Oceania, with billions dead in the initial fighting. On a positive note, a mandatory survey taken earlier this week shows that people believe kittens are cute. More at 11.
All misspellings and grammatical errors in the above post are intentional and part of my artistic expression.
One thing we always forget about Russia is that the jump from a communist system to a western-style democracy is far far greater than we think. While Russia has made great strides in the past, there is a long ways to go. Putin may or may not be the despot you think he is. Some of my Russian friends, while they don't like the man, understand some of why he rules the way he does.
The biggest problem in Russia is that things like Agriculture have never bee privatized. Privatizing agriculture would seem to be a great idea to us in the west, but if Putin were to do it in Russia, it would destroy the country. Many industries have been privatized in Russia, with disastrous results. Basically the government divvied up the cooperatives and companies by distributing stock to citizens, hoping that citizens could take ownership and make a profit. What happened is that organized crime and other opportunists saw an ideal opportunity for a grab. They went around and offered citizens much less than the face value of the stock. Since the stock had no value to the average person, most people happily sold their stocks for pennies on the dollar. This has led to major problems with monopolies and even crime organizations. Remember, these people have never had any experience with a western-style economic system, let alone a democracy. They were just no match for the wits of the opportunists. Hence agriculture in Russia will not be privatized anytime soon. Can you imagine the massive land-grab?
Anyway, this is the major reason why Putin is reluctant to allow Russians to experience this great thing we call Liberty. It's not that he wants to be a dictator or stalin, but that he recognizes Russia can't transform herself all at once. I think it will take at least 2 generations myself. Along the way, Putin has drawn the ire of the western world and many critics at home.
I am not going to condone his actions. I just want to make sure we all understand the underlying situations and conditions that exist in Russia and the former republics of the Soviet Union. If they move to quickly to western-style economics and politics, chaos will ensue. Think 1930's mob rule in America, but only with 21st century technology, money, and power. It's a precarious situation, and very delicate. If Putin allows media too much power, and allowed them to print too many doom and gloom, down with the government stuff, not only will his government fall, but the entire country will fall into anarchy and mob rule. Is there another way? I'm sure there is. But let's make sure we have a full understanding before we spout off on this subject. Reacting prematurely is the very thing that leads to the fallacies that Bush used in justifying the Iraq war
I argue not. Most "news" is heavily slanted to doom and gloom. Why? Probably because doom and gloom sells. People have a voyeuristic tendancy to be drawn to shootings, car crashes etc. In reality, 99.99% of were not in a car crash, got raped or any such mishap. Many had a good time.
The media is not interested in truth, they are interested in what attracts eyeballs, and thereby ratings and advertising, and need to compete with comedy shows and other entertainment.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Oh, if only I had friends in the FBI.
And whoever modded this troll? You're delusional. Off-topic? Yes. Flame-bait? Certainly. But not trolling.
Anyway on subject: Although silly and pointless, the regulations do contain one decent idea! Half of all news should be positive. Now, I'm not advocating ignoring the bad news. No, that is why the idea is insane. No, I mean find some positives. Those stories we used to see about how the blind woman with the ironically blind seeing eye dog found love in a deaf man with no sense of touch? Although typically nauseating, are a wonderful, and necessary break from the rest of the world. To be honest, if you have such a bleak point of view that you think happy news doesn't matter? Why bother living?
Most of Europe never had Democracy. It came to pass as all national conflicts were being won by liberal democracies... or as close to a liberal democracy as was possible in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. It's only come to the Eastern European powers... Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia... in the past 15 years. They seem to be doing OK with the concept despite only Czechoslovakia having any experience at all with democracy. South Korea and Taiwan have all moved from authoritarianism to democracy with great results.
Democracy starts slowly, and gradually improves itself... in early-stage democracy, it's more about the promise than the actuality. The United States had a small issue with slavery, as you may recall, and with its treatment of the indigenous peoples. Still, it's a lot better today than it was even forty years ago. Democracy, with it's partners Human Rights and Rule of Law, allows progress to happen.
I harbor contempt and distrust for the mindset that certain types of people are somehow genetically exempt from modern forms of self-government... to my ears, it sounds suspiciously like "Democracy, Human Rights and the Rule of Law only applies to rich white people, because they're the only ones intelligent and enlightened enough to benefit from it."
(That said, forcing change from the outside at gunpoint seldom works well - for any governmental system imposed. See: Iraq. Engagement in the form of clever political pressure, applied covertly inside the nation and through geopolitical maneuvering, works somewhat better. This is the best course of action in Russia's case.)
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In the USA, all speech is protected, because (a) the constitution prohibits any restrictions on speech, and (b) the constitution has not been amended to say otherwise. Without such an amendment, any law that says anything different was not made with authority that descends from the constitution, and that means that the law is based upon coercion - use of force and threat of use of force - and that is the very definition of treason, the illegitimate use of force against the citizens of the country.
If the government feels there are categories of speech that can be suppressed, there is a mechanism provided to change the constitution to allow that, and they should get after using it. In the meantime, any restriction on speech whatsoever is the act of a government out of control.
For your reference:
This is in no way ambiguous or subject to "interpretation." No law. NO LAW.
The 14th amendment applies the bill of rights (amendments 1...10) to the states. That means the same applies to the states. NO LAW.
You cannot argue that the courts or any other government entity can "interpret" this amendment. There is no authority for any such act given in the constitution; therefore, they don't have any such authority.
Don't confuse the actions of an out of control government with legitimate law. That way lies dictatorship. Or worse.
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The GP is probably referring to this case; the Church of Scientology issued a DMCA takedown notice asking Slashdot to remove a comment containing Scientology texts, and Slashdot complied.
Bít, zabít, jen proto, ze su liska!
...literally!
Did you know that "FTW" ("for the win") is a direct translation of "Sieg Heil"?
at least it's balanced.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
I see these claims all the time, but EVERY TIME it's taken to court, or investigated by the media, there isn't ANY proof of disenfranchisement. On the other hand, we have CONVICTED Democrat party members sent to jail for slashing van tires, trading coke for votes. We have documented PROOF of election malfeasance and outright voter fraud in heavily Democratic Seattle and nary a peep from the media...
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"Yelling fire" isn't a good example anyway. You're allowed to "bear arms", but except in extreme circumstances, you aren't allowed to kill or injure people with them. This is constitutional: the laws against murder are independent of whether you did it with a gun. Similarly, you aren't allowed to kill or injure people with words, which is what happens if you yell "fire" in a crowded place.
I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
The practical differences between being part of the Warsaw pact and being part of the USSR were small, if you contrast them with the differences between being part of the Warsaw pact vs being part of NATO.
Confusing the two is sloppy, but it's certainly not moronic, as the practical differences were comparatively small.
Your over-the-top reaction, on the other hand...
Terrorists can't threaten a country's freedom and democracy. Only lawmakers and voters can do that.
Muzzling the press, protraying the US as an enemy, if Russia didn't have such a massive amount of nuclear weapons at its disposal, I would say its almost funny how people slip into old patterns so easily.
Obviously. Have you noticed the apathy of the people around you? I understand your lack of understanding on this if you are not American... but I am American, and I cannot get any sort of decent dialogue going on this issue outside my immediate group of friends.
The other people just repeat what they saw on the news or roll their eyes when the subject comes up.
If people want to confine their thinking on a subject to what they see on the news then let them see American caskets.
The war will be going on long enough as it is... only public attention beyond the headlines can get the oversight we need to keep the situation from turning into our very own little waterloo. Failing proper public attention we need shock value.
Regards.
Have you sent your documented proof to the State Attorney? Anything good enough to actually take to Court? Because barring that, all you have "witnessed" is a lot of whining over the phones, by your own account. You didn't "witness" anything - you HEARD about supposed problems.
I have yet to see one HARD FACT to support the Left's claim of disenfranchisement. Not one. Nothing that's gone to trial, nothing worth even filing charges. Meaning there's a lot of noise and hubris, and little else...
2. I guess you don't read much, or get around much
Oh, I get around plenty. Again, I see a lot of railing against disenfranchisement and the like, and I see ZERO actual facts other than hearsay and "well this person said they know someone..." Unlike HARD CASES where we have CONVICTIONS of Democrat operatives slashing tires, stuffing ballot boxes, buying votes with crack cocaine and the like.
3. Now tell me what proof you have that it didn't occur. That what I witnessed and what millions of people in Ohio witnessed didn't happen.
Nice illogical statement! Can't prove a negative. Besides, you're the one CLAIMING all this election malfeasance - YOU provide the proof. Barring that, it's just so much hot air...
4. How dare you let your partisanship excuse your misrepresenting the truth about something so important as the right to vote.
So far I see ZERO truth to your claims. None, nada. Your personal testimony is admittedly just "I heard over the phone of this problem". Hearsay.
On the other hand, we have documented CONVICTIONS of the Democrat party's election crimes. Here in Washington we have documented PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF of multiple votes, illegal/non-existent registrations, and a County (Democrat) election's office that "finds" votes weeks after the election "went the wrong way", just enough to swing it the other way. And a state DEMOCRAT-DOMINATED Legislature trying to make it illegal to provide this very proof...
No, sir, I offer that YOU are spitting on the graves of all who gave their lives for ou right to vote. Wild baseless claims with ZERO proof while ignoring the COLD HARD FACTS that just happen to go against your political bent...
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Compare RT to Deutsche Welle Television (DW-TV). The Germany government funds DW-TV, and it broadcasts German news to the USA and other countries. DW-TV sometimes broadcasts news that is highly critical of the German government.
These attempts at censorship by the Russian government are very disturbing. Check your local PBS television programming. Many PBS stations air both RT and DW-TV.
If we have investments in Russian companies through global depository receipts (GDRs), should we be concerned? Will bad news about corrupt business practices in Russia now be censored? How can I judge the value of my investments if the only information that I can get is falsified to be "positive"?
So because someone is going to get hurt, let's continue to let people murder, torture and oppress others. Is that the sum of your point? (brash comparisons of U.S./GITMO and Saddam's Regime are forthcoming, I'm sure.)
/. does take a fair amount of masochistic tendencies to do.)
Let me make my stance very clear - even though you will never believe me: I have already put my money where my mouth is with my comment about freedom. Very few people in the US are willing and ready to possibly die for someone they don't even know. I have done so, survived, and the two people I helped are moving on with their lives. And I would do so again without a moment's thought. The point I made was not from some idealogical high school kid with a penchant for self-abuse (and commenting on
This nation of ours is filled with spineless yokels unwilling to do anything but whine or turn a blind eye towards the realities of the world around them.
To answer your question: Say one day the U.S.A. becomes a true dictatorial regime and a foreign power liberates us, but my family dies as a result. How would I feel, you questioned. I would feel grateful to the foreign power that liberated us, but extremely sorrowful that my family died in the process. Why should I hate the foreign power because they did not save my family? Why should I be mad that they meddled in our nation's affairs? The only reason I would have to be angry with that foreign power is if I wanted the life that the regime had offered.
But who am I kidding? I'll be lucky if this doesn't get marked -1 flamebait, or my favorite, off topic. I don't hold popular opinions.