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Cryptome to be Terminated by Verio/NTT
George Maschke writes "Cryptome, a website concerned with encryption, privacy, and government secrecy, has received two weeks' notice from Verio that its service will be terminated for unspecified "violation of [its] Acceptable Use Policy." Cryptome has a history of making publicly available documents and information that governments would rather keep secret. For the notice, and a public response by Cryptome webmaster John Young, see Cryptome Shutdown by Verio/NTT."
No need to wait for two weeks to shut down a site. Just submit it to slashdot
and get it shut down in minutes.
Is there anyone who would like to put up some bounty for having this hosted in a country with liberal hosting rules, such as Sweden perhaps?
Why UNIX?
Dont they have to tell you what violation you commited?
Now that you mention it, the US actually *was* a democratic country at one point.
That was quite some time back though.
No it is *not* 6 years old.
No everything on the page is not six years old.
Go back a reread it.
There is a whole email chain included, on the mirrordot link, stretching back to 2001 (and probably further I did not read the whole chain)
I doubt cryptome will have trouble finding hosting, honestly I'm sort of surprised that they use Verio/NTT
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Bah. People are slowly waking up to the fact that "freedom" never existed to begin with. How do you like your life - nasty, brutish and short or semi-nasty, unfair and long?
Software patents delenda est.
Sites like this could simply be 'blacklisted' if no ISP wil pick them up due fears of prosecution.
Good way to restrict 'evil' information dissemination to the masses.
What is next, 'hate' sites being cut loose? Or 'independent freedom talk' being removed from the digital landscape?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
cryptome has several mirrors. Here is one:h ut.htm
http://cryptome.quintessenz.org/mirror/cryptome-s
Of course, it's VERIO's network, they're free to have whomever they like as customers. I just find it dubious that they're TOS'ing Young for abuse or violations of their AUP when they simultaneously decide to host spamming scum:
r io.net
http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=ve
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or Allow?
We don't allow this kind of dissent in Soviet Amerika. If your not with us your a terrorist.
Ok so that's a bit over the top but really what's this coming to? Where do we draw the line on Police state America?
Bringing liberty to the masses. - http://freetalklive.com/
It's also a sad day in it's message that there is now, ultimately, no genuine free speech left on the net. If the state really really wants to suppress your message, it can do so. It's slow, labour intensive, and expensive for them to do this, so they don't usually bother; but when they need The System to function, it does.
The Berne Conventions eliminated the need to even post a copyright notice. Copyright automatically falls into the hands of the "creator" the moment it is created.
if you want to go after somebody with a DMCA notice on something with no notice and no registration, you can easily register the copyright years later, then go after them.
So a web site has a problem with their ISP. So friggin' what? Pick a different ISP. There are millions of hosting companies out there. Everybody has problems of one kind or another with their web host, and switches. These guys should pick a new ISP and be done with it. I mean, tell people that Verio sucks for these reasons, but there's no reason the web site should shut down permanently... this whole thing sounds like drama for the sake of drama.
I don't respond to AC's.
This sort of thing always makes me want to check the site out for juicy stuff.
archive.org wayback machine cache is my friend.
So the British "intelligence" services, the same ones that said Saddam Hussein had huge stockpiles of WMD that could strike the UK in 45 minutes, can get a website turned off it America? The ISP just weasely pulls the plug without negotiation just because some guy with a British accent rings up?
Come on America, we all used to look up to you as the beacon of freedom, but now your country is being turned into a Tudor monarchy, within a few years there will be no freedom left, will the last one out please turn off the lights when you leave.
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Im gonna risk it and respond to this. I think I have found the lowest rated ./ user out there.. believe it or not this is not the first time he has made coments like this.. I'm ahh also going to type like I talk to make ya even MORE pissy.
... To me a nation of freedom is not "what your government allows you to do" OR "whar you hide from the government" Its a nation where men do not impose their will over other men.
I'm going to assume from "you're" (har har) comments that ya'are a Republican. Its that or you'r just a spelling natsi.
So at what point do you think we are safe enough? How many freedoms must we loose? Will you allow the government to post guards in shopping malls and night clubs? Do you want CCTV on every corner? Will we implant tracking devices on every man woman and child? Where does it end?? This is not a valid question to ask?
A free nation means, you can do what you want so long as your not hurting others. You want to smoke pot.. its a free nation, smoke your pot and uhh dude, enjoy it too. You want to look at pr0n, really nasty shit.. I cant think of nobody that would be hurt from that.. you are free in my nation to do this. Want to ride a croch rocket without a helmet you are "free" to do that too.. (dumbass)
Now that "you're" (haha) aware of my illiterate nature.. prehaps you can kill me.. but bewarned Libertarians own guns.
Bringing liberty to the masses. - http://freetalklive.com/
from their acceptable use thingy: "Other Activities -- Engaging in activities, whether lawful or unlawful, that Verio determines to be harmful to its subscribers, operations, reputation, goodwill, or customer relations." so they pretty much tell you straight away, that they pull your site once they dont like what you are hosting anymore.
My only relation is a happy, new customer. It may not be the best fit for Cryptome, but there are at least hosting providers that do give a shit about not bowing down to the status quo.
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I would suggest he move somewhere safer like Switzerland or Sweden.
This should be done BEFORE making his site.
Which is great until Freenet decides to host someone's kiddie porn collection on your computer. Then you get to smile at the nice FBI agents as they escort you to your court date. It's great that someone's thought of encrypting and decentralizing what gets published to the internet, but it's not practical until I can have control over what gets put on my node. Their FAQ handwaves the hell out of this essentially by suggesting that true freedom means I have to host something I find personally disgusting or that will get me in trouble. In other words, I would be substituting one owner for another. Currently I find my government's views on what is acceptable to be a better compromise than Freenet's views on what is acceptable.
Sorry, no dice.
SRSLY.
The ISP just weasely pulls the plug without negotiation just because some guy with a British accent rings up?
I don't think that's what happened. I suspect what happened was that someone in the US government saw something they didn't like, and sent a National Security Letter or other such silliness to Verio. Verio of course can't legally disclose that, but given that Verio had been always been very forthright with John Young in the past but is being tight-lipped about the situation now, I think it's quite possible that something like this is behind Verio's actions.
Gotta love living in a nation where the government makes you do their own damn police work against someone else against your will, and then threatens you with jail if you say anything about it.
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Aside from the morality and legality of all the kiddie porn on Freenet, such content amounts to a crapflooding sort of DOS attack. A bedrock principle of press freedom is being free to choose what to publish and what not to. Freenet forces you to be part of what is basically an already wrecked commons. Decentralized torrents seem to me to be a much more palatable alternative.
Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
I used to carry a bottle of whiskey for snake bite. And two snakes. -Nefarious Wheel
The whole use of National Security letters strikes me as if Gonzales was reading The Trial, and said, "Now there's an idea!"
One hour later, my post was pulled by Digg, along with the comment preceding mine and several succeeding comments. I doubt that Digg by itself would have chopped it out, so someone had to have driven the act. Either the Bushites, or even Israeli influence. Possibly, the blackmail theory was true, and dangerous to someone.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a NSL require immediate takedown? Or at least the removal of a specific page. It seems like a webhost would be in legal jeopardy if they received a NSL and didn't act within a very short period of time.
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For all you Slashdotters out there who lament the loss of this site and future postings of secret documents.
It is obvious that many people believe it is OK to leak secret information as long as it is "for the greater good". But the question of what is the greater good often depends on your political leanings.
So I ask...
What is the greater good?
What kinds of things do you think should not be leaked?
Who do you think has the appropriate knowledge to decide?
And last, what should happen to someone who decides incorrectly?
Discuss among yourselves.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.