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SCO Wanted To Gag Torvalds, Moglen
An anonymous reader passes on word of court documents filed by IBM on Friday. The documents contain a copy of a letter, dated 2004, from SCO to IBM's lawyers stating that they tried to keep Linus Torvalds from making disparaging public statements about SCO, speculating erroneously that IBM was the principal funder of OSDL, where Torvalds worked at the time. Quoting: "The company also tried to silence Eben Moglen, the Columbia University professor who, until this month, was a director of the Free Software Foundation, and Eric Raymond, a controversial open-source advocate, saying they claimed to be IBM consultants."
Just goes to prove that nobody is 100% evil.
John
Perhaps some bigwig company is trying to make sure SCO stays at center stage.
silencing them would make people hate/dislike SCO any less.
Hey! That's MR toe smaking cack bogger to YOU, boy! We have our dignity to consider here.
Eben gagged himself, in a way, by retiring from his work on the GPL3
Here.
Karma police, arrest this man. He talks in math. He buzzes like a fridge. He's like a detuned radio.
Why is there no mention of them trying to gag PJ and Groklaw, considering she has covered the SCO case more than the other 3 combined and then multiplied by 100?
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070428
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070429-sco- wanted-gag-order-for-linus-torvalds-groklaw-in-200 4.html
SCO Tried to Gag Groklaw in 2004
Not sure what to tag this, maybe "beatingadeadhorse". How many more stories of SCO being {evil|stupid|malicious} do we need. The company is almost dead now, let them die alright. It'll be a history lesson for future companies.
Nature journal lied in Britannica vs Wikipedia Ask to retrac
Now, please forgive my ignorance, I don't know if it is unconstitutional and it probably isn't - but how does it fit in with the Constitution? I looked it up on Wiki but have found limited information.
What about Richard Stallman? According to this trustworthy news source he was attacked first.
Open Source Alternatives
SCO is accusing Linus of stealing all of their code, making crazy Iraqi information minister like comments to the press, and they tried to gag the people they are accusing from responding? SCO, please just crawl under a rock and die already.
They must be smoking crack
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Please, update the title, its' missing the fact that they wanted to gag also Groklaw http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200704281 9571717
Doesn't Texas Law ("Sir, he was too dumb to let live.") apply in Utah? It really shouldn't be so difficult to get rid of the SCO dipshits, ferchrissake.
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Heh. Ok, the license fee is, what, one share of SCO stock? I think I've got that rattling around in my pocket.
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Gagging is ancient history. It's people duct taping my typing fingers I worry about.
ccalam - acoustic versions of new songs.
It seems SCO always wanted to target IBM since the beginning and not the Free Software movement.
Still, a M$ funded initiative, for sure.
So that's why they went after the big brains? Seems like DiDio was - afterall - a victim.
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Hey, if you wait long enough you may get the entire company as an added bonus after purchasing one license.
Navicula hydraulica plena anguilarum est. Omnes castelli tuus nostri sunt. Ed elli avea del cul fatto trombetta.
After watching Pulp Fiction?
SCO thinks your mom is fat, ugly and stupid.
Also, it just kicked your dog, got your teenage daughter pregnant, and dumped its leaves in your yard.
Just read this if you were in any doubt about what a fscking idiot the man is.
Apparently IBM employs half the world of Linux advocates and code writers, according to McBride. They're all out to get him.
SCO should be suing for the IP rights to the tinfoil hat.
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Groklaw "broke" the news April 28 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200704281 9571717
Since then all these "anonymous sources" just cite from PJ, without properly giving credit. The second paragraph in the groklaw article reads:
It also wanted Linus Torvalds, Eben Moglen, and Eric Raymond to be prevented from commenting publicly about the litigation.
It's a court order. Just as a judge can order you to appear before a court, a judge can order you not to say things relevant to a case if he or she thinks that you could be disruptive to the case. Violation of a gag order would be considered non-protected speech because gag orders are only used for things like ensuring that a trial is fair (so there has to be something important at stake) and they are only temporary when they are used.
If a judge made an obviously bad gag order you would have a chance to defend yourself at your contempt hearing.
He wasn't worried about Eric's mouth, his GUN was the problem.
I noticed that SCOX opened this morning at .94 and it has dropped to .86; about an 8% drop. SCO has until October 22 to get its stock price above $1 for 10 consecutive days or it will be delisted. Stock splits won't count.
"Lets see what's on the radio..."
"And now on BBC2, the death of SCO, Queen of Shitts."
*crashes, bangs, assorted noise*
"I think she's dead."
"No I'm not!"
*crashes, bangs, assorted noise*
"Anow your radio will explode."
*BANG*
"Well, what's on the telly then?"
"Looks like a penguin to me..."
So there's no way McBride could be having "second thoughts". And his lawyers are slimier than a month-old banana left in a locked car in the Sahara desert.
Tell me Boies wasn't the best lawyer Al Gore could get in Florida. Please.
FTFA:
"We are also concerned about the many litigation-related statements made by Eric Raymond, who claims to be a paid IBM consultant, and by Columbia law professor Eben Moglen, who also claims to be an IBM consultant. Mr Raymond and Professor Moglen have been highly critical of SCO's litigation claims. If paid by IBM it is only fair that they, along with Mr Torvalds, be included in the scope of any stipulation or order regarding litigation-related public statements," wrote McBride.
Well, of course! There is absolutely no way that these people would have anything bad to say about SCO's case unless they were being paid to do it!
Just as there is no way that SCO would be pursuing this case unless they were being paid to do it by Microsoft! C'mon; what's good for the goose is good for the gander. In the interest of full disclosure, 'fess up, SCO; tell us all about who's funding your actions!
Eric S. Raymond's GUN/Linux.
("Everybody Loves Eric S. Raymond" always cracks me up)
"The Federal Reserve is a fraudulent system."--Lew Rockwell
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It kicked the daughter and impregnated the dog........
Doesn't Texas Law ("Sir, he was too dumb to let live.") apply in Utah?
I thought it was from one of the upper midwest states originally. The way I heard it, one of the State's senators shot and killed a man; he was brought up on charges, resigned, and conducted a pro se defense, arguing "He needed killin'." Successfully.
I thought it was Minnesota, but I may be getting that mixed up with the cheerful anecdote about the First National Bank in Northfield, where Jesse James lost most of his gang to civilian gunfire. It was over a hundred years before anyone tried robbing the bank again — with similar lack of success; the customers promptly tackled and subdued the gunman.
//Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
I won't cheat by looking it up, but I have seen a younger ESR as a contributor to both Emacs and nethack. He is no RMS (Emacs, gcc, and gdb), but his developer credibility is still way higher than all the ESR detractors on /. combined. (I know, damnation with faint praise).
Microsoft arranged funding the scox-scox. We are learning - 3 years later - that msft was not successful in this particular censorship endeavor, but how many times has msft been sucessful in controlling information which might not be beneficial to msft?
Also, remember: before the scam, scox was a linux company. Why would scox mind if ibm were improving linux? The company that funded the scam - the puppet-master - however, has a big problem with ibm, or anybody, improving linux.
Linus should be suing SCO for defamation of character because with they're lawsuits they're saying that's he's not competent to write a kernel, and accusing him plagiarizing of their code.
If someone is passing you on the right, you are an asshole for driving in the wrong lane.
SCO always succeeds in making me gag.
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
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Hehehe....what a bunch of sourpusses...
What?
SCO just got its teenage daughter pregnant. There corrected it for you.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
It's clear that they didn't bother to find the facts before filing these gag requests. That's entirely consistent with everything we've come to expect from SCO from the very earliest days of the IBM suit. There is no reasoning behind the things that SCO says and does, only gut reaction, and it's amazing how many pundits and lawyers they duped into helping them tilt at their windmills. They were losing market share, and therefore money, to a free OS, and 'felt' cheated, 'felt' that Linux was an illegal derivative of UNIX. So they assumed their 'feelings' would eventually hold up in court. They haven't, and they won't. They 'felt' people were conspiring against them - Groklaw, Linus, the FSF - but this was all a paranoid delusion, just like the delusions upon which the original lawsuit was based. There has been no reason, no research, and no reality to anything that they've alleged. They show woeful ignorance of how copyright licensing works, about how their opponents operate, and even about the contents of their own contracts (like the Novell asset purchase agreement that could blow up in their faces any day now).
I remember when the original suit was filed and first made news, knowing nothing about how SCO operated and guessing that IBM was in big trouble, and Linux users (myself included) would end up having to fork from a pre-tainted version of the kernel, or do some other such drastic thing. I wanted details - the whole OS, or just the kernel? Or another part? Which code was stolen? Then the interviews came, and Darl showed that he didn't even understand the difference between Linux (the kernel) and 'Linux' (the GNU-based OS). This is a company that has a keen sense of smell for money, but not much sense for anything else.
For those to old to remember, the program took you back in history to dramtize some event.
It was portrayed as current news.
Sort of like this article.
SFLC represents FSF still. No different.
Perhaps we should destroy Darl's brain then bury him at a crossroads with a stake through his heart. Maybe toss a bit of garlic in there as well.
That might be a good start with Darl but more needs to be done.
FalconShould there be a Law?
You know, as I was reading this, I can't help but wonder if the "divided we stand" strategy is much better for open source, in general. We all know a legal storm can come at anytime and from any direction - even without evidence or cause. As they say, "money talks" and the SCO case illustrates that.
If all of the open source advocates (ESR, RS, BP, etc) frequently worked *together*, they would present a pretty easy legal target for more SCO's out there. By staying fractured, open source is better able to withstand legal assaults like SCO's.
And, from what I see, that's exactly how it is today. I only point this out because I think a lot of people miss this. It's a nice little side benefit of being a movement instead of a product/company.
Dunno what your point was. Sure, the language is a little flowery, but to be honest he's not that bad of a writer -- I'll take honesty that may border on arrogance over false humility any day. And I don't really have any problem with his ideas in the Manifesto; there are some factual points I'd probably quibble with him on, but in terms of general beliefs I think the guy's got more going for him than anyone holding a major political office in the U.S. today. (Not that I'm setting a real high bar there...I guess that's 'damning with faint praise.' But seriously, based just on that I'd say he's probably an interesting guy to invite over to dinner -- at least he has opinions and they seem to be well thought out and basically consistent, cohesive, and rational; that's more than most people have.)
I've never read the guy's blog, but he certainly seems to be able to turn it on when he wants to.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
For the sake of your future US neighbors and passers-by, I hope you know a *lawyer* when you see one...
There, fixed that for you.
When this first started, I googled McBride and found that he has asomewhat shady history. As I understand, he was fired from one company for unethical behavior and then sued the company for breach of contract and even filed crminal charges of fraud against the company.
Robert Heinlein, the noted Science fiction writer, called this type of activity "Judo logic" because it attempts to use an opponents strengths aginst him. Obviously SCO's legal team was trying to manipulate the courts by using legal maneuvering to prevent key witnesses from testifying.
Microsofts uses the SCO vs Linux trial as a foundation block in it's "Get the Facts" advertising campaign aimed at upper management, by implying the use of Microsoft products gives "freedom from indemnity". Expect Microsoft to support SCO by licensing overpriced copies of SCO products.