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Music Decoded From 600-Year-Old Carvings

RulerOf writes "Musicians recently unlocked a 600 year old mystery that had been encoded into the walls of the Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland, the one featured in The Da Vinci Code. The song was carved into the walls of the chapel in the form of geometric shapes that a father-son team — both are musicians and the father is an ex-Royal Air Force code breaker — finally matched to so-called Chladni patterns (see the Wikipedia article on cymatics). The recovered melody was paired with traditional lyrics (translated into Latin) and recorded; the result can be heard in this video (also linked from the musicians' website). The video also gives a visual representation of how the engravings match up to the cymatic patterns." From the Reuters article: "'The music has been frozen in time by symbolism... [The carvings] are of such exquisite detail and so beautiful that we thought there must be a message here.' The two men matched each of the patterns on the carved cubes to a Chladni pitch, and were able finally to unlock the melody."

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  1. magic number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And translated into hex it reads: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

    1. Re:magic number by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Informative
      You mean like this?

      E-mail started in 1965 as a way for multiple users of a time-sharing mainframe computer to communicate. Although the exact history is murky, among the first systems to have such a facility were SDC's Q32 and MIT's CTSS.

      E-mail was quickly extended to become network e-mail, allowing users to pass messages between different computers. The messages could be transferred between users on different computers by at least 1966 (it is possible the SAGE system had something similar some time before). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email#Origins_of_e-ma il


      Kids these days...
    2. Re:magic number by pilgrim23 · · Score: 4, Funny

      well actually... I first sent emails via a timeshare called RAX that ran on a OS/360 under MFT/HASP but I also used PROFS on VM and other such. But back then "email" was more a geek toy then communication. I will admit that "DMR1,'HEY HOW ABOUT LUNCH?',LOG-N,CON=Y did get me a date once. AND it was typed in on a 1052. The recipient was at a RJE line and had to type her answer on a punch card to send it back..

      Kids indeed, he said as he chucks a vacuum tube in the general direction :)

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    3. Re:magic number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can name that tune in three notes.

      Loads of music archives record the key, title and lyrics, often only encoding the first chord or first three note progression of a tune instead of the entire melody.

      I'll bet real cash that this is the same thing (if it's true) the first three notes are a key, and the archivist assumes the reader can guess the secret just by knowing the song.

      Given that, I'll go out on a limb and say something sung on a daily basis by a certain group of people, either priests or congregation, possibly the holy chant (which hasn't been changed in a long long while) or sung by a secret organization as part of their ritual, perhaps masons or knights templar depending on the date of the carving and location.

      Further, those standing sand waves can be reproduced by anyone. I have a rope tension snare drum, upon which I've dumped a handful of sand, and played my fife next to it, instant standing waves just like in the video.

  2. Whoa. by Dragon+By+Proxy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I didn't think vinyl was that old.

  3. It's really not that difficult... by lightspawn · · Score: 3, Funny

    When there's no killer albino on your tail.

    1. Re:It's really not that difficult... by orielbean · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am so glad I completely avoided the movie, book, and other cultural phenomenons associated with the story. THe more I hear, the less I want to be a part of it. :-P

      In other news, the Illuminatus! Trilogy is 100 million times better than any conspiracy theory book out there. RIP Bob Wilson.

    2. Re:It's really not that difficult... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Correction -- the only conspiracy theory book that "Illuminatus!" isn't better than is Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum". Maybe I'd put them at the same level.

    3. Re:It's really not that difficult... by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

      In other news, the Illuminatus! Trilogy is 100 million times better than any conspiracy theory book out there. RIP Bob Wilson.


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  4. Obligatory RIAA slam by hal9000(jr) · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't wait for the RIAA to try to collect royalties on that!

    1. Re:Obligatory RIAA slam by buswolley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well at the end of the video you will notice that there is a copyright notice. So, apparently, this music is now locked up for another 600 years.

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    2. Re:Obligatory RIAA slam by vurg · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, Keith Richards said he's putting it into public domain.

  5. 600 years? by markbt73 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the song enters the public domain in what, another decade or so?

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  6. DRMed by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

    The mystery was unlocked after the following number has been applied to the code from the walls: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

    1. Re:DRMed by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
      > The mystery was unlocked after the following number has been applied to the code from the walls: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

      I just saw something interesting on a thread on That Other Site...

      Y'know what you get when you cross DRM with Ted Stevens with Gene Ray with Rosslyn Chapel? It's a series of cubes!

  7. DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    RIAA: Circumventing this encryption is a DMCA violation!

  8. You got that backwards by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

    The song is a physical component of the building. The public domain enters into the song. Sort of an acoustic Soviet Russia, if you will.

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    1. Re:You got that backwards by yet+another+coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      In America, composers build songs.

      In Soviet Rosslyn, composers sang a building.

    2. Re:You got that backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Props to the lowness of your user ID.

  9. May be analog water encodings by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A couple of weekends ago, I took a sound healing workshops with Steve Sklar in Minneapolis ( mod me down for attending a new age workshop ;) ).

    We played around with singing bowls. These are bowls of a particular metal alloy, and when you fill them with water at various levels, you can see patterns in the water emerge when you get the bowls vibrating strongly. At various levels, you can even see five-pointed water patterns. If you get them really going, the vibrations are so strong that water sprays out of the strong points. Sometimes they formed 'halos' or round craters in the middle, like some of the carvings.( As far as healing, you put these suckers on your body at various points and they give you a great, penetrating massage. )

    Looking at the patterns referenced in the videos, I wonder if the carvers were transcribing the patterns that various pitches made in some kind of water-bearing vessel. I think this goes back to Pythagoreans and their idea that the sacred geometries were related to musical tones. IIRC, they thought that the basic generational patterns of our world were geometric, and represented themselves in various ways, including musical scales and visual geometry .

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    1. Re:May be analog water encodings by spoco2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      "I wonder if the carvers were transcribing the patterns that various pitches made in some kind of water-bearing vessel. " Did you even watch the video? After they demonstrate on modern equipment how sand sprinkled on a surface having sound passed through it at various pitches gives pretty patterns they then demonstrate it being done with a sort of magaphone/horn arrangement with a skin pulled over the horn. Someone sings/makes a sound in one end, the skin vibrates... viola we have the same patterns being made on sand sprinkled on the skin.

      That's more likely as it's easily done with the human voice as compared with trying to get water to do it.
    2. Re:May be analog water encodings by flacco · · Score: 3, Funny
      Yay for a wife who is a LMP.


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    3. Re:May be analog water encodings by ZDRuX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds like something similiar to the way cornstarch behaves when shakes at a few G's of force. You can view the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=CH6-2UizHfI&sea rch=science Very interesting stuff.

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    4. Re:May be analog water encodings by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Informative
      Yes, I did watch the video. The technique they used to create the patterns was the developed by Ernst Chaldni, who drew "a bow over a piece of metal whose surface is lightly covered with sand". He published his technique in 1787. Singing bowls go back at least a thousand years in Asia. Wikipedia says that "Singing bowls from 10th-12th century are found in private collections". The Rosslyn chapel was built in the 15th century, before Chaldni's time.

      That's more likely as it's easily done with the human voice as compared with trying to get water to do it. Provided they knew the trick. How many thousands of years have people played drums without any awareness of the various pattern different harmonies would create if you put sand on it and sang on it? Chaldni published his findings in 1787. That tells me that it wasn't common knowledge. If your person in Asia in the 10th century, without a wealth of material possessions, and you have bowls lying around, my guess it that they they are going to put water in it at some point. Then, Hey! What happens when it has water in it and we make it sing?

      As far as how the creators of the Rosslyn chapel developed it, I don't think there's any evidence for any technique. They may have used a bow on a metal plate. They may have sung onto membranes. This water-vessel technique is another method. They may have used another. I don't think we know at this point, I was just brainstorming and providing more evidence.
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    5. Re:May be analog water encodings by dave420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Plus when you stop, the sand doesn't instantly spread evenly across the surface, so transcribing the pattern to a carving is far, far easier than doing the same from a water-based method.

  10. Fascinating... by charleste · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I personally found this fascinating, because it actually puts into pictures the common things we geeks learn in physics... about waves, destruction, amplification, et. Al... Worth the watch.

  11. nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if you look for patterns in any data you will find them, a quote from the movie PI illustrates this human trait

    Sol Robeson: Hold on. You have to slow down. You're losing it. You have to take a breath. Listen to yourself. You're connecting a computer bug I had with a computer bug you might have had and some religious hogwash. You want to find the number 216 in the world, you will be able to find it everywhere. 216 steps from a mere street corner to your front door. 216 seconds you spend riding on the elevator. When your mind becomes obsessed with anything, you will filter everything else out and find that thing everywhere.


    1. Re:nonsense by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're right! I been seeing this 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 number sequence everywhere lately! I was freaking out. Thank you for giving me my sanity back

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    2. Re:nonsense by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, this could be the first sensible internet meme.

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    3. Re:nonsense by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Informative

      "All your 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 are belong to us!" -- MPAA

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    4. Re:nonsense by jd · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is also the phenomena associated with tape recordings of ghosts (where people want to hear a voice), premonitions, etc. The human brain is geared specifically to spot patterns. It's probably an evolutionary survival trait - patterns are easier and quicker to spot than predators and other threats, so seeing patterns and forming associations may have kept early humans alive. It's also likely a factor in religion and magical beliefs.

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  12. What about pottery? by Supercooldude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be cool if this method could be used to decode sounds recorded tens of thousands of years ago? A caveman is sitting in a cave making some pottery, probably by running some kind of copper tool along it to make patterns on the pottery. As he's talking with other cavemen, the sound from their voices is making the copper tool vibrate along the pottery. Using lasers we can analyze the microscopic indentations caused by the tool and convert them into sound and hear what an ancient language sounded like. We could create recordings of ancient Greek, Proto-Indo-European, etc.

    1. Re:What about pottery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mythbusters did this (and the X-Files Lazarus bowl episode before it). It was busted.

    2. Re:What about pottery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You mean Archaeoacoustics?

    3. Re:What about pottery? by Bonker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, that's a great idea, but it sounds like your particular example has a flaw. The carving tool's vibrations would be damped a lot simply by being held in a fleshy hand.

      There's got to be some other examples of standing waves being frozen in prehistoric media, however.

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    4. Re:What about pottery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After 10k+ years of aging? I seriously doubt it. Try doing it today. Make a normal clay pot (without deliberately carving a spiral audio track) and if you succeed in retrieving the sound of yourself reciting Shakespeare, go nuts.

    5. Re:What about pottery? by DuckWizard · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yup. Since Grant, Torry and Keri couldn't do it in a few tries with a very scope-limited test and homemade reading equipment, that clearly means it could never ever happen.

    6. Re:What about pottery? by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny
      All you need from that article is this Gem:

      Paranormalist Paul Devereux writes: LOL
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  13. Terrorists. by DysenteryInTheRanks · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, if I understand correctly, they circumvented a special visual encryption scheme to unlock this music. Then they made an unauthorized copy, which they performed, recorded and then uploaded to the Internet.

    Jack Valenti heard about the whole thing and had a heart attack.

    These people are terrorists. Not only did they steal a copyright owned by Jesus himself, from a Church, they hate our precious freedoms to help corporations own and profit from music.

    The are probably pirating gay abortion manuals as we speak to sell to Hezbollah and undermine our troops in Iraq. Can someone put these enemy combatants on a no fly list before the unthinkable happens?

  14. This reminds me... by rackhamh · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's only tangentially related, but TFA reminds me of a (supposedly true) story I once read about a man who found a plaque bearing the initials "H.W.H." The plaque was in such a prominent position that he assumed it must have been dedicated to a very important person in the town's history. He spent YEARS in the library, poring over records dating back into the 1800's, but wasn't able to find anything. Finally, out of desperation, he placed an ad in the newspaper, requesting assistance in identifying the mysterious "H.W.H." The very next day, he was called upon by a younger gentleman who kindly informed him that his father, in fact, had been one of the people who installed the underground hot water heater.

  15. Re:Who owes who? by ReTay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TFA says that the chapel is in Scotland. Geography lesson: Scotland != USA. The DMCA does not apply to the free world i.e. non-US countries such as Scotland.

    Tell that to Canada,,,, serouisly.

  16. Re:once again by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 5, Funny

    rubbish. This security-through-obscurity method has taken 600 years to crack - plenty long enough for whoever encrypted it to not have to worry about the consequences. One in the eye for 'security experts'.

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  17. Something's wrong. by E-Sabbath · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chladni
    Chladni released his patterns in the mid 1700s. That's a lot more recently than 600 years ago.
    I think these guys found patterns where they don't exist, or wrongly confused them. Especially when you consider they used mod a lot to lop things off.

  18. Re:unlocked? by xirad · · Score: 3, Informative

    That hex code is the HD-DVD processing key everyone's trying to get to all points of the Internet.

    See http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/01/19 35250

  19. Re:Obligatory "locked-up" post. by dwarfsoft · · Score: 5, Funny

    Either that or they just failed to install the right Codecs

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  20. Re:unlocked? by RobertLTux · · Score: 2, Informative

    the sequence is the hex key to HDDVD decryption its the "master key" so if you are hacking together an HDDVD player you will need this key somewhere

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  21. Ugh! by jemenake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From what I saw in the video, there's not enough of a match between the Chladni patterns and the designs on the cubes to convince me that this is what the sculptors intended. If that's considered a match, then I'm seeing Chladni patterns burned into 1/3 of the pancakes that I make (with the other 2/3's being Elvis and the virgin Mary).

    However... I do find the concept very intriguing. I'm sure that the patterns are produced by pitches that are of fixed ratios to each other. This means that you could reproduce the melody without knowing anything about the musical system that the authors used (the only requirement being that they came from the same universe as you... or, at least, one with the same physical laws governing wave reflection and interference). This aspect (ie, zero cultural knowledge) of it reminds me of the part in Contact, where the aliens send us prime numbers.

    I also find it slightly plausible that the people would have known about this 600 years ago. If it's true that gregorian chants arose out of a desire to capitalize on resonances in houses of worship, then they would have had many opportunities to observe the effects of loud mono-tonal sounds upon visible things like, say, the bowl of holy water.

    So... it's remotely plausible. But I think it's bullshit, anyway. :)

    1. Re:Ugh! by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to say that the physical carvings did not match with the patterns being shown nearly so well as I'd expect if they were a genuine encoding. The stave thing is interesting (there's an apparent representation of a figure indicating a chord, which seems to be the same as the sound indicated by the cube above it). However, the human brain is excellent at only seeing patterns that match up with preconceived notions. Are there contra-indicators that were ignored? If you apply the same logic to patterns known not to be musical (such as geological formations), would you get an equally playable, convincing result? Until there is an effort to falsify the theory (not slam it, falsify it - there's a difference) then it is merely speculation, albeit very interesting speculation. And even if it were falsified, say by geological formations, it's always an opportunity to start a whole new form of, uhhh... rock music.

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  22. Re:Right lyrics? by just_another_sean · · Score: 3, Funny

    After all, you can sing the lyrics of Nine Inch Nails' "Mr. Self-Destruct" to the tune of Molly Hatchet's "Flirting With Disaster" Can I get a copy?
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  23. I call 'Bullshit' on this one by goatpunch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sorry to be a spoilsport, but this whole thing seems highly speculative.

    The matching between the Cymatic patterns and the carvings is tenuous at best- is it just me, or does the Cymatic pattern at 2:54 in the video look _nothing_ like the carving it fades to? In addition, for this technique to have any validity, they would either have to know the plate size used by the composers or demonstrate that the Cymatics are unaffected by the size and thickness of the plate, which I doubt.

    They also make the vast assumption that the angels are pointing to a treble clef, when there are many others such as the C clef and bass clef that were more common in the 15th Century.

    Even if they decoded the tones correctly they give any explanation as to how they discovered the timing of the piece, or was this just 'to make it sound cool' like the random vocals that they added?

    Sounds like someone had this at the back of their mind for 20-odd years and then they read the Da Vinci Code and saw a way to make a quick $.

    1. Re:I call 'Bullshit' on this one by tkrotchko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "They also make the vast assumption that the angels are pointing to a treble clef, when there are many others such as the C clef and bass clef that were more common in the 15th Century."

      That's true, but it doesn't matter since the relative spacing between the notes is the same. So the key moves up or down but the melody remains the same.

      I'm not trying to defend it, and if nothing else, it's fun to watch the patterns of the sand how complex the patterns became at different pitches. Does that equal music? It might. People weren't dumber 600 years ago... they just didn't have access to Wikipedia.

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  24. Error check? by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How will anyone ever know whether the decoding is correct? Pretty much any medieval sounding 7 notes per octave, vaguely musical tune will work...

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  25. It's not medieval sounding... by ockegheim · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've listened to and studied a lot of medieval, renaissance and modern music, and it sounds like what a modern film composer might write for certain bits of a medieval film. To get technical:

    • The repeating three-note phrase uses begins with the note B over what is essentially an F chord. This didn't happen until about the 18th century.
    • At the very start of the video when just the trio is singing the word resonare, the final syllable is set to a unprepared dominant 7th chord, which was first used in the early 17th century.
    • Once the string pads enter it sounds more like Arvo Pärt than John Dunstaple.
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  26. Re:Obligatory "locked-up" post. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is breaking this encoded mystery a volation of the DMCA?

  27. Re:Obligatory "locked-up" post. by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't be so sure. There is, after all, oil in Scotland. It will fall under US jurisdiction soon enough.