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A Tablecloth to Charge Your Laptop

moscowde writes "Research scientists at the University of Tokyo have come up with a unique sheet-like material that can transmit electrical energy over a large area to nearby devices without the need for direct contact, so it can be made into a tablecloth or wallpaper and your appliance can be anywhere on a surface to get charged. The system uses organic molecules as transistors, microelectromechanical switches, and miniature copper coils to transmit energy using electromagnetic induction."

119 comments

  1. Re:Neato by froggero1 · · Score: 1

    i think we're talking about a dupe.

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  2. Replace for power cables and plugs? by astonishedelf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If this could help get rid of the mess of power plugs and cables under my desk, this would be utterly fantastic. Wonder what happens if a liquid is spilled on the surface though...

    1. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by tomstdenis · · Score: 0, Troll

      I don't see why "cables" are such a bad thing. Maybe your desk is just a mess because you're unprofessional? I have a wired mouse, keyboard, headphones, and a USB drive sitting here and still plenty of room to open a book, write some notes, whatever. And I'd consider my desk a mess.

      Oddly enough I have coffee stains on my desk and I don't drink coffee.... hmm odd.

      Tom

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    2. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

      you would think so, but initially it will probably be like some earlier bluetooth stuff (especially keyboards and mice)...

      Namely, it's nice, but each device works with the adaptor that came with it and nothing else, so you still need one wire per device...

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    3. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by laejoh · · Score: 0

      If this could help get rid of the mess of power plugs and cables under my desk...

      Well, the tablecloth would normally go on top of the desk but I guess you could try using the cloth underneath of your desk to cover up the power plugs and cables. You'd probably loose the recharge functionality though.

    4. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by astonishedelf · · Score: 1

      Or mayby I need an awful lot of electrical appliances: 1. iMac 2. Dymo LabelWriter 310 3. Laser Printer 4. Pitney Bowes Franking Machine 4. Tape Deck 5. Amplifier 6. DVD / VHS Deck 7 Standalone Monitor 8. Apple 12 inch Powerbook Not to mention: 9. Tape Dispenser 10. Landline 11. Wiretrays for paperwork 12. Headphones 13. Large calculator And yes, I do need all this stuff...

    5. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      At my workstation at home I have two consoles, a DVD player, a desktop, keyboard/mouse/monitor, printer, and two decent size bookshelf speakers. Most of the wires are tucked behind the desk/stand and aren't in the way. Maybe you got that funny appliances where all the wires go in the front?

      Tom

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    6. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by astonishedelf · · Score: 1

      Counted 4 twice and left out the USB Hub. It's a serviced office - I don't get to choose the size of the desk and I get provided with exactly two powerpoints for my work station. Its places like this that could use a sensible replacement for power cables and plugs. Either you get the point or you don't.

    7. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by saboola · · Score: 4, Funny

      8. Apple 12 inch Powerbook
      13. Large calculator

      You mention your powerbook twice...

      I KEED! I keed.....

    8. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by wdnsdy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tell me about it :( Its awkward reaching round to the back of the player to put the disc in all the time.

    9. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by astonishedelf · · Score: 1

      You're probably right :-) I wasn't keeping that close a score...

    10. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by tomatensaft · · Score: 1

      Wow, not that's bloat! :) At my home, I've got my PC that does all that... :)

    11. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by astonishedelf · · Score: 1

      I'n partially agree with you... Problem with using the PC for everthing is that if the PC goes down, you're completely crippled. Learned this the hard way...

    12. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by skiflyer · · Score: 1

      Listen, just cause you have a use for it doesn't mean anything. Those two posts clearly show how they can wire things up neatly in their exact configuration so the manufacturer should clearly shelve this item.

    13. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by astonishedelf · · Score: 1

      Huh? This is a forum, there is a discussion going on... We can all disagree...

    14. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was being sarcastic...funny too.

    15. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? This is a forum, there is a discussion going on... We can all disagree...
      I agree with your right to continue the argument it is not settled! no more "can we all just get along". give us a chance to work shit out either by talking or beating the crap out of each other; meanwhile, keep your (and my) 3rd party nose out of other peoples business!
      Mod me offtopic.

      Eagleartoo,
      The more wires the better! Especially on my phone!
    16. Re:Replace for power cables and plugs? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      A wireless mouse is much more useful than a wired one because you can swap hands frequently. Which is good for dexterity and reducing repetitive stress injury. With a long enough cord, you can swap a regular mouse too, but a wireless one avoids the inevitable keyboard&mouse cord twist-up.

      You are changing your typing and mousing position throughout the day, right?

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  3. Tablecloths and wallpapers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure there's nothing harful in wrapping ourselves in yet more electromagnetic fields, not even shielded ones in this case.

    I mean, what could possibly go wrong? After all little Jimmy's third arm is quite handy.

    1. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by Goaway · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nothing has gone wrong so far except that the psychosomatics have a new thing to complain about, so I don't see why a little more would be a problem.

    2. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, it's a good thing that there isn't some huge electromagnetic source that just appears in the sky all the time, that would be scary.

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    3. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by dosquatch · · Score: 1

      Aww, c'mon, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than something like that happening!

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    4. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by maxume · · Score: 1

      I was thinking of the sun.

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    5. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by TheBeardIsRed · · Score: 1
      third arm...

      or the big news right now, Colony Collapse Disorder.

    6. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Get with the program! Plugging in the power adaptor is HARD WORK. We should not have to do such manual labor when technology can save us from drudgery.

    7. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by johnwyles · · Score: 1

      The FCC is definitely not going to like the sound of this

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    8. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      SIgh...You know that they found out what's doing that, right?

      And it is happening in a lot of places no where near enough to man made magnetic fields right?

      No, lets look at something that couldn't possible do it.

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    9. Re:Tablecloths and wallpapers? by Jeta · · Score: 1

      Especially when it's handwashable technology. I can see it now... Electric napkins for PDAs and cell phones! :P This is actually quite interesting. I hope they can get it off the ground and into production for the masses, unlike all that other cool tech that you hear about and never see in action. Although, there's just something about the personality of the Power Cord that I've lived with for so long, I don't think I could get used to never having to plug something in ever again.

  4. Underwriter's Lab approved? by smchris · · Score: 1

    Nothing I want more than putting my metal cup down on a frayed kink on the basement table with my bare feet. Wearing a pacemaker?

    1. Re:Underwriter's Lab approved? by Charcharodon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Grampa if you don't get me a pony and take me to the zoo, I'm going to recharge my ipod! Then you'll be sorry!

    2. Re:Underwriter's Lab approved? by realisticradical · · Score: 1

      Nothing I want more than putting my metal cup down on a frayed kink on the basement table with my bare feet.


      You would be more likely to put your metal cup down on the table and then burn your hand trying to pick it up. Induction is a widely used method of heating pots and pans for cooking. Induce a current in a metal pot and it will heat up due to the resistance of the metal.
    3. Re:Underwriter's Lab approved? by benplaut · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's no better way to teach kids about keeping their elbows off the table.
      Right?
      BRRRZZZTTTT!! RIGHT!

  5. electricity + table by wetwillyjoe69 · · Score: 1

    Sweet, no cords for my laptop! but i still need to plug in my dinner table. personaly if i wasnt at a work station id be in a chair with my notebook on my lap

    1. Re:electricity + table by Patrik_AKA_RedX · · Score: 1

      First table cloth, then pants. Now don't go and complain about having to plug in your pants!

  6. Efficiency by tcgroat · · Score: 1

    It sounds cool and convenient, and unlike the RF couplers that have cropped up lately they are up-front about efficiency: >80%, which they achieve by activating only the area where the power "receiver" sits--not blanketing a large area. However, the energy-conservation targets set by EPA, California, etc. are even higher. There needs to be further improvements before this can be a marketable solution. I hope they happen soon!

    1. Re:Efficiency by Your+Pal+Dave · · Score: 1

      The 80% efficiency could be compensated for if the mat has 1) low standby consumption and 2) an efficient power supply itself. Remember that you're potentially replacing several inefficient wall warts which are frequently left plugged in 24x7 even when the ipod/cellphone/pda/... is off in your pocket.

  7. Waiter! by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    My soup has electrocuted a fly!

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    1. Re:Waiter! by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Finally, it was buzzing at me the whole day.

  8. Boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These endless stories of prototype devices that transmit electricity wirelessly are really not very interesting at all, especially after the tenth story on them. Let's just forget about them until they can actually be bought and reviewed. Jeez.

  9. Nothing by CarpetShark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It sounds like magnetic induction -- same thing they use to charge electric toothbrushes without exposing any wiring to water and toothpaste. It should work just fine with water.

    My questions on this would be more focused on how practical it'll actually be, unless it's standardised so that different devices can charge off it, and on how wasteful it is, if it's throwing out energy even when nothing needs it.

    1. Re:Nothing by Mythrix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eouldn't a magnetic field affect the hard drives and monitors?

      And standardisation would definitely be good, so we don't end up having to buy a Sony tablecloth for cellphones, Dell tablecloth for laptops and Philips tablecloth for the toaster.

    2. Re:Nothing by pipatron · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of standards - too bad SONY chose not to use them. Do you really think they would let you use your no-name charger pad instead of buying their special SONY-pad for three times the money?

      s/SONY/Apple|Nintendo/

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    3. Re:Nothing by Chris+whatever · · Score: 1

      Imagine now that all that magnetic field affecting all you cards in your wallet, it would have to be small so not to interfere , you would probably have problem with tv's and or crt monitor (very bad with magnetic fields)

  10. Tesla did it 100 years ago by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the intriguing Nichlai (sp?) Tesla did in his lab was to place an inductive ring just below the cieling like crown molding. Then he had electric motors powered by inductive coupling. Instead of "plugging" in the device to the wall socket, all he has to do was to raise a ring the ceiling. To "unplug", lower the ring by a few inches. Will try to find some references and post it soon.

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    1. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Nicoli Tesla (finally got the spelling right) experimented with wireless transmission of power. Jagdish Chandra Bose was working on wireless transmission of data. Tesla was into transmission of power. The key to transmit data was what Bose called "coherer" which is essentially a coil with a very precise resonating frequency. The second issue was an amplifier that would not distort the signal. Marconi saw Bose's coherer design and built his radio based on that. Bose remained in India in 1890s did not see the commercial potential or patent requirements. Bose did not build a commercial empire but he did more research and tele-collaborated with Einstein and published the famed Bose-Einstein statistics.

      Coming to wireless transmission of power, the most significant thing was that the signal carries enough power to drive the device. (Kids build the "crystal radio sets" that run without any batteries purely on the transmitted power). So he did not have to invent an amplifier. Details of Tesla and his wireless power transmission can be seen in here

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    2. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by WoLpH · · Score: 1
      I'm just wondering, why don't we hear anything about the fuel cells anymore? It was in the news daily a couple of years ago and right now I haven't seen any news about it in months.

      Either way, great to see that they've been able to keep the efficiency heigh, 80% is really not bad for an induction system.
      From TFA

      The sheet is 21×21 cm, 1 mm thick, and weighs 50 g. It contains a grid of 64 position-sensing units and 64 power-transmission units. The sheet is capable of providing 40.5 watts of power with more than 80% efficiency - sufficient to operate a small laptop computer.
      Almost sounds too good to be true.
    3. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      yup and I did it 15 years ago in college. I made a charging mat that was basically a thick tablecloth that did the EXACT SAME THING. I based my thesis and final project on Tesla's work and even gave details. One thing I did was to increase the Frequency to 400hz that allowed me to have a weaker field to transmit the same power to eliminate the magnetize everything in a 4 foot radius effect.

      It worked great and if you did your calculations right the tailored recivers for each device were incredibly easy to build and interface to the device. I modified a Motorola Brock phone to charge from a coil I placed in it's battery compartment.

      The only reason thses things do not take off is that device makers make HUGE $$$ off of "accessories" like chargers. Dell rapes you blind on their charger prices, Apple and Nokia do the same. and they all go out of their way to make sure it uses a wierd voltage and wierd connector to make sure you cant easily use something else.

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    4. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering, why don't we hear anything about the fuel cells anymore? It was in the news daily a couple of years ago and right now I haven't seen any news about it in months.

      from yesterday:

      The 660 Gallon Brewery Fuel Cell

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    5. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by AceJohnny · · Score: 1

      Inductive coupling is only the first step of the idea, because of a couple of important problems:
        - you can't select who receives the power: your laptop will recharge, but your engagement ring will burn your finger off.
        - most of the emitted power will dissipate into thin air.

      Of course, this product improves on the idea by powering only the area closest to the device to recharge.

      Dammit, I had this nice article explaining some promising research in the field, but I'm unable to find it again...
      The Wikipedia page on wireless energy transfer is a good start, as usual.

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    6. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by WoLpH · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected.

      So... when will this technology finally reach our laptops and mobile phones... the first expectations were telling about somewhere in 2006 IIRC, I guess they were wrong ;)

    7. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Coherer" is NOT a coil. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherer for details.

      Wardenclyffe tower would have never worked, intensity of electromagnetic field obeys inverse square law, so you'll need a LARGE antennae to catch more than a few milliwatts at a distance more than a few hundred meters.

    8. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by maxume · · Score: 1
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    9. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by skiflyer · · Score: 1

      The only reason eh? I'd wager another big reason is because of people who make posts like "what happens if I put my elbows on the table" or "what if I spill water on it?" i.e. The public's fear of electricity.

    10. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by fatboy · · Score: 1

      Radiator/antenna efficiently can be affected by it's length. The length of the radiator/antenna required is determined by the frequency of the electromagnetic wave. All of this has little to do with inverse square law.

      Go higher in frequency, a smaller antenna is required, yet RF density at a distance will not change (much).

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    11. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "what happens if I put my elbows on the table" or "what if I spill water on it?"

      I was a big smart-arse back in college and I was asked that question by someone else in the class.

      my response was "Why you Die a horrible electric death of course. It also fuctions as a Gene pool cleaning device."

      In reality it's 100% safe unless you put it under your pillow and sleep with your head on it. I demoed it with a glass of water sitting on it as well as a set of keys. The keys did not even warm up but do act as a core for the coil increasing the magnetic field.

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    12. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by AnonymousRobin · · Score: 1

      This is a complete tangent, but I can't help myself. Would that paper happen to be available online? I heard about Tesla doing this and I never could grasp the concept of wireless transmission of electricity (then again, I'm a computer scientist, and my understanding of electricity ends with Ohm's Law... which I've actually forgotten a third of at the moment), but I'm quite curious and I hate wondering about the same thing for more than a decade without at least trying to figure it out. The only way I can think of is electromagnetic induction... which, I figure, would not be friendly to the electronic equipment it was powering and it wouldn't reasonably work for larger distances.

    13. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by mu22le · · Score: 1

      yup and I did it 15 years ago in college

      care to post a link to your work? I'd be courious to take a look at it...

      Or do you have paper copies only?
    14. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by skiflyer · · Score: 1

      Is the head thing is a result of the constant exposure to the radiation, or something more nefarious like you hooked it up to a mind control device?

      Any idea what the efficiency of something like this is compared to say, a wire?

      How about "standby mode" as has become so popular in all sorts of appliances these days, can the tablecloth sense that no one is drawing its current and dial it back a notch until someone is?

    15. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      It has EVERYTHING to do with inverse square law. Antenna can't catch more energy than that of passing through the space occupied by it.

      Additionally, energy density of electromagnetic WAVES is proportional to the cube of its frequency, so it's much easier to transmit a lot of power at high frequences. For example, ELF transmitters use hundreds of kilowatts of electric power but output just a few _watts_ in ELF radio frequences. But the ease of transmission has nothing to do with inverse square law.

      And you'll also need antenna with a size comparable to wavelength for good enough reception.

    16. Re:Tesla did it 100 years ago by fatboy · · Score: 1

      Thanks for making my point. Inverse square law has little to do with the size of the antenna required. The frequency has more to do with size of the antenna than the surface area used to receive the signal. Placing parasitic elements around the antenna do more in helping increase it's efficiency than lengthing it.

      BTW, the reason ELF antennas have such small ERP is because of the relationship of the distance of the radiator above the ground compared to the wavelength, as well as, the relatively short length of the radiator compared to the wavelength.

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  11. different requirements by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    Nope, you just have simpler needs than others. I have a laptop and desktop on a LAN, firewire external drives, usb printers, joypads, headsets, phone, camera, etc., and I'd still consider that a very modest setup. My plan for a rack-like setup is very much held back right now by cable planning. Not that it's insurmountable, of course.

    1. Re:different requirements by astonishedelf · · Score: 1

      In one of the last places I lived in, I worked in the garden shed and had sixteen powerpoints put in. This is not a contest about how many electrical appliances you, me, or anyone else owns. Builders put as few powerpoints in as they can get away with because it costs them money. This 'tablecloth' would seem to be an ideal way of eliminating a lot of cable management issues. That and wifi would make life a lot easier. No matter how many electrical appliances you own, someone out there will own more - it's not a contest. Without knowing the number of powerpoints and space constraints, comments like 'unprofessional' are just abusive and make no useful contribution to a discussion.

    2. Re:different requirements by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      I never suggested that it was a contest, but he did sound like he had very modest requirements, by which he was judging everyone else's requirements. I don't think it was wrong to correct that assumption. I certainly never called anyone unprofessional.

    3. Re:different requirements by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dunno, after seeing my friends wrestle with BT all the time [hidd --search, over and over] I'm actually fond of wired devices. Sure I use wifi from time to time but I'd generally much rather cat-5. No hassling with "do I have a good signal" and all that jazz.

      Sometimes it's nice to just plug something in and have it work without worrying about the environment.

      And sure a power "pad" sounds nice but take into account the power loss. The thing most likely converts AC to DC [power loss], then from DC to EM [power loss], from EM to DC in the device [power loss]. So you'll be burning more energy to get the same amount of work done. Not exactly a step forwards.

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    4. Re:different requirements by astonishedelf · · Score: 1

      My apologies. I wasn't referring to you. Should have been much more careful...

    5. Re:different requirements by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "Sometimes it's nice to just plug something in and have it work without worrying about the environment."

      It's also nice to not plug something in, and have it work without worrying about the environment. It's not the plugging part that makes it not nice, it's the not worrying part.

      I have one wifi AP that I can access from all points on my own property, upstairs and downstairs. My neighbors both have wifi, too. It all works just fine, even when I use my Bluetooth headset and my microwave.

      I'm sure that some people have different experiences, but this here carbon unit is totally sold on eliminating cables whenever possible.

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  12. What's that tingling? by Cthefuture · · Score: 1

    Some of these types of EM sources really bother me. At certain frequencies I can actually feel the EM field as a slight tingling in my skin. My Wacom tablet does it but my hand has to be pretty close to it to feel anything (which is really annoying because I otherwise love that tablet).

    I wonder what this would feel like? I imagine it would have a pretty high level of output, I wonder what frequency it runs at and if it will bother some people. It could make being anywhere near one of these charging table cloths pretty uncomfortable.

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    1. Re:What's that tingling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      At certain frequencies I can actually feel the EM field as a slight tingling in my skin. My Wacom tablet does it but my hand has to be pretty close to it to feel anything (which is really annoying because I otherwise love that tablet).

      If I were you I'd be experimenting with that tablet using my own fleshy stylus. Assuming you have one.

    2. Re:What's that tingling? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >My Wacom tablet does it but my hand has to be pretty close to it to feel anything

      I dont think the tablets create anything yuo can actually feel. Hell, the tablets are passive, the actual power is in the pen with the battery. Chalk this up to being psychosomatic. I used to believe I could feel wifi signals if they were too close to my head. Doing a blind test proved I was wrong.

      Maybe things are different nowadays with the battery free pen. Still, thats really a small amount of energy.

    3. Re:What's that tingling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wacom doesn't use a battery in the pen smarty-pants.

  13. electric blanket by razpones · · Score: 1

    I see a lot of sparks when i use wool blankets and a acrylic t-shirt, maybe thats what started this project?

  14. Dupe by AncientPC · · Score: 1

    http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/ 30/1630217

    Article references to University of Tokyo and organic molecules as well.

  15. Two questions by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    1. What are the power losses like?
    2. Will it give me brain cancer?

    1. Re:Two questions by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 1

      1- Not that bad, since the system is supposed to only power the area where power is required. Of course, it's hard to beat a good old AC/DC converter.
      2- No risk. EM field have been studied for long, and such a low power quasi static field is way below things known to be harmless. Plus, since the field is supposed to be located only where it is needed and not all the time in the whole room, it won't probably not even reach you. Using an electric shave will probably send more EM radiation to your head.

    2. Re:Two questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. 80%
      2. Probably not.

    3. Re:Two questions by Mythrix · · Score: 1

      1. What are the power gains?
      2. Will it give me superspeed and/or ability to manipulate electricity at will?

    4. Re:Two questions by maxume · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean modern AC/DC converter? The nice adapter for my laptop is barely bigger than the janky one for my cell phone.

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    5. Re:Two questions by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      2. No, but you'll gain the ability to command sea creatures.

  16. old news grandma! by DragonTHC · · Score: 1
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  17. Laptops on tablecloths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is no one worried that the cloth will block the air vents in the bottom of the laptop case, causing it to overheat?

    1. Re:Laptops on tablecloths by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      uh, no
       
      as long as the surface the "cloth" is on is level, there is no problem.

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    2. Re:Laptops on tablecloths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Level or not, your laptop will still put out generous amounts of heat. I wonder if the table cloth will stand up to that.

  18. New twist on older design by curlynoodle · · Score: 2, Informative

    I cannot find any reference, however I recall reading an article several years ago which detailed a consumer deskpad which contained dozens of micro contacts. The idea was you simply lay your laptop, mobile phone, pda on the pad, and it begins to charge. Of course this product assumed that your devices were outfitted to use the charger. A microcontroller would actively sense the current between pad contacts, allowing charging, but preventing short circuits. Again, as I cannot locate this product now, I expect it did not take off.

    Inductive charging also seems inefficient to me. The article claims 80% efficiency. What exactly do they mean? How many AC-DC conversions take place within this charger?

    Also, my laptops require more like 80w. It may be okay for PDAs and mobile phones.

    IMO, a good research project, but not yet near a consumer product.

    1. Re:New twist on older design by aug24 · · Score: 1

      I think you are recalling SplashPower.

      J.

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    2. Re:New twist on older design by curlynoodle · · Score: 1

      No, the device was thin like a desk pad and was _not_ wireless, but had dozens of small contacts.

      Still, Splashpower is neat too.

  19. Liquid Spills by moscowde · · Score: 3, Informative

    In original research paper published in "Nature Materials" there is a picture of a fish tank with fish inside. The light inside the tank is powered using this transmitting material. Power cables, sockets, and plugs are not required, and all of the metallic parts are coated with insulating materials. So it is safe.

  20. A Victorian Idea! by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lord Armstrong, a Victorian inventor and armaments manufacturer had one of, if not the first, electrically lit house in the work. Cragside" was lit (initially by carbon arc lamps but then by Joseph Swan's incandescent light bulbs) powered by hydroelectric power. During the day horses pumped water to a lake up the hill side. During the night that water generated electricity.

    The table lamps replicated old oil lamps in style but had spikes which poked in to table clothes which were threaded with copper wire carrying current. This meant you could carry them around, put them down, and they would just light.

    1. Re:A Victorian Idea! by wildsurf · · Score: 1

      During the day horses pumped water to a lake up the hill side.

      Live Green, Go Yellow... (?)

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  21. Trousers? by rikkus-x · · Score: 1

    So if I wear gingham trousers I can use my laptop on my lap without having to plug it in? Fantastic.

  22. Side effects? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    Induction - doesn't this mean your hair will stand on end whenever you're holding cutlery? Or is the field too weak/short-ranged for humans to notice?

    1. Re:Side effects? by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 1

      You won't notice anything because 1- it is too weak and 2- you don't have enough metal in your body to be affected even by strong magnetic fields anyway, and BTW, it is not induction but static charge that makes your hair stand on end.

  23. Re:Neato by Barryke · · Score: 1

    Thats what i like about slashdot a lot (versus digg)
    (almost) no dupes. :)

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  24. Shock the conference room by us7892 · · Score: 1

    The first great add-on I see to this is the ability to crank up the current and voltage so that all the people at the conference table are shocked into paying attention. Too many people brings their Notebook PC's to meetings, and then they glue themselves to the screens. Answering instant messages, typing notes, playing games, who knows what! And they all clamor for the plug because they all seem to be low on power...

    With this, they can be 'charging' and also 'shocked' when needed...

  25. Phillips by Thabenksta · · Score: 1

    I saw a TV Program about something Phillips developed a few years ago, for the kitchen of the future. They showed a table cloth that you could put electric candles, heated plates, and even a food tester on.

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  26. How efficient is it? In these days... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How efficient is it? In these days of global warming the last thing we should be thinking is replacing all those chargers which are left plugged in 24/7 with something that's even less efficient...

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    1. Re:How efficient is it? In these days... by suitepotato · · Score: 1

      Can we please stop trotting out this global warming shibboleth? Global warming, cooling, neutraling, whatevering, doesn't enter into it. If it isn't efficient, you're wasting money and in these days of global warming hype keeping backlash against energy expense increases suppresed, I haven't got a whole lot to go around.

      I don't care if that tablecloth has checkered patterns and makes my Italian cooking better, if it costs me more than it is worth, I ain't buying it.

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  27. Hamsters.... by HomeLights · · Score: 1

    Just get a wool tablecloth, a dozen hamsters running in circles with cables in their mounths and you'll get the same effect.

    I'd be willing to try this out with my laptop. Aero on my Vista eats the battery so if this'll give me power without cords..woo hoo!

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  28. My practical concern by dosquatch · · Score: 1

    Induction is nothing new. Submersible waterpumps use inductive impellers. Every chemistry lab I've ever been in has used both inductive mixers and inductive heaters. This is all established, stable technology.

    Even inductive charging is nothing new - I've had a toothbrush that does this for years.

    So when I read articles about inductive mats saving me from my rat's nest of cables, don't think I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect. My concern, though, which I haven't yet seen addressed adequately, is what sort of an effect this kind of inductive magnetic field is going to have on my sensitive electronics and their magnetic storage. I have to say that I'm a lot more than merely hesitant to lay my laptop down on such a device. Everything in me says - no, screams - "You're throwing your hard drive to the wolves!"

    I'm not thinking such a mat is throwing off gauss like a bulk eraser, but it doesn't have to. It might not wipe a drive clean in a single sitting, but I can't imagine that prolonged exposure is not doing minute, cumulative, and ultimately fatal, damage to the drive. Or am I missing something?

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    1. Re:My practical concern by geekoid · · Score: 1

      YOu do know that hard drives have powerfull magnets in them, right?

      I seriously doubt this gives off a strong enough magnetic force to damage your equipment.

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    2. Re:My practical concern by dosquatch · · Score: 1

      YOu do know that hard drives have powerfull magnets in them, right?

      I do, actually. I also know that, as part of the device, the fields the generate are taken into account when designing the device.

      Floppy drives have their own magnets, too, but I have never seen a disk erased by such. I have seen a disk done in by environmental EM, though.

      I seriously doubt this gives off a strong enough magnetic force to damage your equipment.

      Perhaps not. I hope not. Still, it's enough for me to wonder, and want to proceed with caution.

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  29. Splashpower by vectra14 · · Score: 1

    There's a company commercializing a similar concept called splashpower. I don't work for them, although I have worked with them. It's really cool technology and, suprisingly enough, it's not vaporware.

    Hopefully they'll actually have their modules out for public use sometime soon...

  30. Big uses in corporations by Pingmaster · · Score: 1

    I don't see this so much as an 'electric tablecloth' concept rather an inlay for pressboard style tables (large conference room tables come to mind)..if these are manufactured to a standard spec, then all that needs to be done for each individual device is a receptor to take that power source and convert it into the voltage/ampereage necessary for that device. Another neat use for it would be a mousepad for your wireless mouse to keep it charged all the time..just imagine, being able to game with a wireless mouse and not have to worry about batteries..

  31. It is indeed old news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a science teacher in the early 1980s telling us of an incident from a farm.

    Then I found it as a Physics exam question.

    A farmer reportedly stole electrical power by strategically placing a large coil of wire beneath the high-voltage transmission lines that crossed his field. For several years, the farmer obtained free electricity to operate equipment for his farm, until the power company finally discovered the theft. Eventually the farmer was convicted of stealing power even though no physical connections were made to the transmission lines.

    Maybe it was ripped from the headlines, CSI style. Or maybe it's just an apocryphal tale. What impresses me is the fact that I was a 12 year-old in England when I learned this, and this example comes from a University test in the US. It might say something about why America has lost position to European countries in technology...

  32. Table dancers beware! by rholland356 · · Score: 1

    Women's stilletto heels are made with steel spikes.

    Have you ever been in a ground-floor office where the electric power was run over the concrete floor below the carpet, without trenching the concrete? And if you've worked in an office like this you know that women's high heels tend to drive that steel spike down into the material and cause an explosive short across the damp concrete.

    Best not use your electric table cloth in the wrong kind of establishment. Spill a beer, go to jail!

  33. No problem Sir, by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    ... Do you want salt and pepper with that?

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  34. Nice try, but debunked around 1880 by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

    Magnetic fields fall of as the CUBE of the distance, so don't expect this tablecloth to be all that useful. It will probably require no more than a centimeter between the sending and receiving coils, possible less. Also note that any uncaptured power ends up being dissipated in the sending coil, so it will make a nice heating pad for your sore muscles. If you don't mind a magnetic field going into you as lagniappe.

    1. Re:Nice try, but debunked around 1880 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magnetic fields are inverse square, not inverse cube. Some people write the formula as (blah/|r|^3) * r, but this is equivalent to (blah/|r|^2) * normalize(r).

    2. Re:Nice try, but debunked around 1880 by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but magnets are dipole fields, the field strength drops off as the cube.

  35. Re:Dupe by vindimy · · Score: 1

    damn right... i hope everyone understands they don't read Digg either!

  36. this would be frickin' cool... by greywire · · Score: 1

    wouldn't it be great if you had a small stand that you could mount on the wall or put on your desk, where you would put your cell phone, pda, and other gadgets? Between me and my wife we have 2 phones, two pda's, game boy ds, wireless mice, mp3 player etc.. and all the matching (and different) wall warts to charge them.

    How about also building in the ability to communicate when on the pad? That way your pda or cell phone could automaticaly sync when on the pad. How about mouse pads that charge the mouse?

    How about a coffee mug that heats up when on the pad?

    The possibilities are endless!

    No more power plugs going bad from mechanical wear (the cause of death of most of my cell phones)..

    If this could be scaled up to higher voltage/amperage you could replace wall sockets with these.. totaly safe for the kids. You could probably make small little adapters for old plugs. (yes you'd have to have some kind of locking mechanism since walls are vertical, maybe magnetic like apple power plugs?)

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  37. Biological safety concerns solved already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may recall the cochlear implant (developed here in Australia, I did a B. Med. Sc. on further research with the team who did it). They've been implanted for decades and are kept charged wirelessly by induction from a power supply coil held in place by a magnet. It's all pretty darn close to the brain, unsurprisingly. There's reams of biological safety data on it, though the devil may be in the details if this system is substantially different.

    Lloyd