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US's Slow Embrace of Information Technology

mattnyc99 writes "To motivate his new column, Popular Mechanics' Glenn Derene takes research data from a discussion here of his last column. He analyzes a new study released this week — revealing that fully 49 percent of Americans 'only occasionally use modern gadgetry' — to compare the rise of the PC with that of the TV and ask a big question: What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?"

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  1. Blindingly obvious by fatduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are we really comparing the rate of TV adoption to computer adoption? When is the last time you had to do more than press the ON button to operate your television? There's no learning curve, and no risk. People are afraid of computers, and as usual are unwilling to overcome even the most modest of barriers to learn a new skill.

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    1. Re:Blindingly obvious by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that's exactly the conclusion he comes to at the end of the column...

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    2. Re:Blindingly obvious by Chris+whatever · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh Huh

      Money is one factor, event though you can get a cheap computer fro under 700$ or even a seconds machine for under 300$ you still have to hook it up to the internet,

      For some people that is a;ready too much money and also the fact that a lot of user have computers at work and fell like they dont need to buy one since they do everything at work (unfortunately)

      You can still have a full life without being an internet addict, they are still BOOKS out there.

    3. Re:Blindingly obvious by fatduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if this Harvard professor had submitted his question to Ask Slashdot, he would have saved himself a lot of research.

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    4. Re:Blindingly obvious by hoojus · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can still have a full life without being an internet addict, they are still BOOKS out there. Sacralige you can't spout that nonsense. Go wash your mouth out with soap (actually wash your hands as they typed this nonsense!).
    5. Re:Blindingly obvious by nschubach · · Score: 3, Funny

      But he would have never received the research grant money.

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    6. Re:Blindingly obvious by Johnny5000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      WTF are you going to do when GWB is out of office?

      Throw a party.

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  2. Why, you ask? by beavis88 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe it's because, at the end of the day, both computer hardware and software are generally troublesome pieces of shit.

    1. Re:Why, you ask? by quibbler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, basically one word: Windows. Microsoft fanboys take a chair, please. Microsoft has single-handedly changed the image of computers from a 1950s/60's/70's "modern marvel" into a troublesome piece of shit. I love my computer(s), and I know many who do, the funny thing is that there's a strong correlation between Windows use and perception that computers "suck". Put simply, because of Microsoft people do not trust their computers. People need to feel secure to adopt new things, and Microsoft has never provided this.

    2. Re:Why, you ask? by mangu · · Score: 2, Interesting
      if you do go out into the field to get the most popular apps, you're looking at many times the purchase price of the computer for a set of the full versions, and they usually lower the overall system responsiveness


      And the answer to this problem is ... Linux!


      Computers are still the automobile of the 1920s, or the private aircraft of today. They work, but it's hardly something the average person can really understand and use without a significant investment in both time and money.


      An interesting parallel, take a look at this description of the user interface in the most popular car in the 1920s:

      There are three pedals on the floor, two levers on the steering column, and one floor lever to the left of the driver. The floor lever is neutral while in the upright position, second gear when in the forward position while the leftmost pedal is not depressed, and emergency brake when all the way back.
        The leftmost pedal is first gear while depressed, second gear if the floor lever is forward when released. The middle pedal is reverse gear and the rightmost pedal is the brake. The right lever on the steering column is the gas, and the other lever is the spark advance. Confused? Once you drive for a month or so, it gets easy, but the controls are far from orthogonal. If you get into trouble, you can just stomp on all three pedals and that will stop you pretty quick. Doing this causes the bands in the transmission to lock up the drive train.


      About half of the cars in the road in the 1920s were Ford Model T. The fact that the user interface shifted to the usual today, with the accelerator on the right, tells a lot how users can accept innovations.


      We can still hope that Windows will go the way of the Model T and people will adopt less cumbersome computer systems in the future. The difference between the Windows user interface and Gnome or Kde is much less than the difference between a Model T and a 1920s Chevrolet.

    3. Re:Why, you ask? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the answer to this problem is ... Linux!

      Trust me. It's not. Linux makes Windows look like a TV. A dysfunctional, expensive, TV that should be replaced every 6 to 12 months. Linux is that 3 CRT front projection TV you picked up by the side of the road during the town's spring clean up because it "just might work" and a couple of trips to the junk yard might just net you the four or five tubes you need to fire that baby up. Oh, sure, with a CS degree and a few hundred free hours to kill you might end up with a system that is pretty darned snazzy, but nobody else - like your mother, or the babysitter - can figure out how to work it, and when it breaks you'll be either scavenging junkyards for a part the might fit, or you'll have to make your own transistor in your basement.

      I've played with linux, and it's a lot of fun. But even as a moderately competent computer user (learned assembly and machine code on a 6502 in the early 80s), I don't find linux TV-friendly, and I've tried some of the better load-and-go distros (ubuntu, which my 4 year old uses, and a couple flavors of knoppix).

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  3. Difficult by gambit3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cuz it can be difficult, frustrating, and a pain in the ass? Whereas TV consisted once of only three channels and a power button? One of my great-uncles didn't even use the power button, he's just unplug the set.

    Plus, TV is completely passive. You just have to turn it on, and it entertains you. Even when it's online, a PC is not that passive and easy to use.

  4. I'm going to go with... by Moggyboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Terrorism.

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  5. Connecting your devices to all the tubes by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It takes ages and it's a PITA.

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  6. Blame the phone companies by gelfling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who are 10 years behind the rest of the world in bandwidth and services and cost. Blame the cable monopolies who are only a little less horrible than record companies in the rape and pillage the consumers department. Blame Microsoft who, let's face facts, sees you as a wallet. They don't really care how well their crap works and their prices go up not down in contradiction to everything we've ever been promised about the 'digital age.'

    I would have thought the neo-Libertarians here would be cheering for state controlled corporatism. Isn't that what you've been working for?

    1. Re:Blame the phone companies by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But whatever you do, absolutely don't blame the people who aren't using computers...

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    2. Re:Blame the phone companies by anjin-san+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're blaming Microsoft for the slow adoption of computers inside the U.S.? What operating system do you think they use outside of America?

    3. Re:Blame the phone companies by operagost · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't know who coined that term "neo-libertarian" (I'm guessing you) but we already have a word for someone who wants to entwine corporations with government: "fascist." Don't make up some grabage term just because you don't like libertarians. Libertarians are opposed to most forms of government control of corporations, positive and negative.

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    4. Re:Blame the phone companies by Analogy+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pirated versions of Windows that cost about 15 cents.

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    5. Re:Blame the phone companies by metamatic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Government 'entwined with' corporations sounds more like socialism, although you could also argue that given big corporations' lobbying power, it looks like US democracy.

      Kinda depends on whether the government controls the corporations or the corporations control the government. The former tends to be called Socialism, the latter tends to be called Fascism, more properly Corporatism.

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  7. Incredible! by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Comparing a product that takes an IQ of 12 to understand and use to a product that honestly take above average IQ to use and wondering why the Computer and Internet is not beign adopted as fast as the item everyone calls the "idiot box"?

    Tv is passive, I can sit there and drool at it watching the guy getting kicked in the crotch show all day long. The computer takes not only knowledge and mental ability, but the worst part it takes EFFORT to use.

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  8. Computers are too interactive by qwijibo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Television is easy. You turn it on, maybe select a channel, and you can sit there for hours. You can change the channel if you really care about what you're watching, but it's also ok to select one channel and leave it on forever. Television doesn't care if you walk away or lay down. It will dutifully drone on in case you happen to be there. Broadcasters are even nice enough to increase the volume on the commercials to make sure that you get exposed to advertising, even if you're in the kitchen cooking dinner.

    It's much harder to use a computer the same way. It's a much more interactive experience. Not only do you have to have some basic knowledge of how they work, you have to click on stuff or something. Take poor people in third world countries as an example - how long would it take to teach them to use a computer well enough to keep themselves entertained? Compare that with the level of training needed to use a television.

    In both cases, the vast majority of users utilize the technology for entertainment. There are a lot of educational uses available for both technologies, but most users have no interest in that. Mindless entertainment is TV. Interactive entertainment is games/web browsing.

    Not everyone wants interactive entertainment. There are a lot of people who get up, go to work, perform some dull, repetetive task, come home and want to continue their zombie lifestyle with a few beers and some background noise/visual stimulation. There's no way for interactive media like computers to compete with television in the zombie market segment.

  9. Comparing Apples and Oranges by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Comparing the PC with the TV is not really valid.

    The TV is a single use, passive, entertainment medium whereas the PC is a multi use, active, tool. In other terms the TV is 'lean back' technology whereas the PC is 'lean forward' technology. Whichever way you put it they are not the same.

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  10. I was going to say "Windows" by benjcurry · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe it's because, at the end of the day, both computer hardware and software are generally troublesome pieces of shit.
    I was going to say "Windows," but I see you beat me to it.
  11. I was going to say "Windows" by benjcurry · · Score: 5, Funny

    Terrorism.
    I was going to say "Windows," but I see you beat me to it.
  12. Duh. by CriminalNerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    Simple. Human stupidity and laziness, especially the reluctance to take the time to learn key concepts such as computer security and e-mail attachment limits.

    I don't blame the ones who are truly unable to adapt and learn to work with the new technology, but the ones who are clearly capable, but ignorant enough to not care, are the ones who contribute to a nation-wide, condescending attitude towards the technologically-trained. Some could say that technology has pampered the public enough to the point that they expect computers to do everything for them and denounce it if they cannot open a bootleg copy of Spiderman 3 because of a lack of video codecs.

  13. Because people don't need them. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A computer is just a tool like a chain saw or a sewing machine. If I need the tool I will get it and use it. If I don't need it, and for day to day living it is really not required, I will not get it. Unless I am a normal guy then I will buy one a put it on the shelf next to the combo-wrench-screwdriver-hammer I bought last week.

  14. it's voluntary by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone else pointed to the relative complexity, but I think it's more than that.

    There are not many televisions in the workplace-- it's a toy for your leisure.

    There are often more computers than desired at the workplace-- it's a tool of commerce. Many people just don't want that sort of thing to be prominent in their home lives too.

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  15. Because were are not all the same. by Shivetya · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look, outside of work, if I really wanted to, I could live without my computer. Hell I can live without a cell phone too. It just takes discipline. I lived through the 70s and 80s without the access I have these days as did my parents and their parents before them.

    Rural America has more pressing issues than the net, let alone the people with manual labor type jobs. Don't classify them as ignorant either. Many of them do a far better job at raising their families than the so called "educated elite". They don't need the net as a subsitute for life and friends. They don't need TV shows for entertainment, let alone care to see the violence in big cities portrayed in fiction and fact.

    Its America stupid, we are not one giant homogenized horde. We are little tight knit groups spread out across a large area all enjoying the freedom this country affords, and that freedom can and does mean not doing what everyone thinks you should be doing. Hell there are times I wish I could live back on the farm, work 12 to 14 hour days, and never see a computer. Somethings the simpler life is actually better.

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    1. Re:Because were are not all the same. by Doc+Lazarus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But then again, the crux of your argument is that life would be simpler, but not that enlightening. While I did grow up in a fairly rural town, I wouldn't care to do it again. Having a close knit group of people you can rely upon is good, but it's not everything. It leads to a stagnation of thought and personal growth as you become homogenized to your group. And a lot of the time, most people see that as a negative instead of a positive. Yes, you're in a group, but you're alone in that group.

      This shows that one of the biggest problems that America faces is being too insular. Variety is indeed the spice of life, and simply living with people that you adapt your values to in exchange for feeling a sense of belonging is a false one. Plus, it could be seen that a rejection of something that takes skill in exchange for being purposely ignorant is not a virtue, but a sign of fear.

    2. Re:Because were are not all the same. by benj_e · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Variety is indeed the spice of life, and simply living with people that you adapt your values to in exchange for feeling a sense of belonging is a false one.

      You don't think this is a problem on the 'net? There are thousands of little groups that hang out with each other, online, because they re-enforce each other's beliefs. Look at profiles on MySpace or other sites and see how many people are looking for a "safe" place to talk about things. I see that as code for "think like I do".

      All that the Internet has enabled is that people can now hang out with other people just like them - Regardless of Geography.

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  16. Embrace IT gadgets != happiness by GoChickenFat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IT gadgets are ultimately not that important in the overall pursuit of happiness. What's the point of keeping up with all of the IT gadgets if all it ever does is give you a constant chore of learning the next new (questionably useless) thing? The general public is not interested in being under a constant challenge to keep up with gadgets that have little affect on their personal lives. Most people don't need a PDA, or a GPS, or a video iPod. The happiest people I know have limited to no access to IT gadgets outside of cell phones. The most stressed and unhappy (add broke and unhealthy) people I know are the ones that are constantly trying to keep up with the latest in technology. A TV is easy...if you're not making a living in IT you just don't need all of the gadgets.

  17. Comapre to VCR, not TV by throatmonster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...and you get just a tiny bit closer in relative complexity. But really, whoever publishes something that thinks comparing a TV to a computer has any validity whatsoever, should really just stick to watching the TV.

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  18. i'm one of those trogolites by peter303 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been writing software since 1970 and still paid very well for it - vertical applications in video game graphics. I have a MIT degree and had a email address since 1974 and computer newsgroups sicne 1984. I have not bought my own computer yet, bought my first TV and car age 35. Didnt buy a cell phone until last year when when payphones went nearly extinct, and only use it for travel. I sweat from confusion of choices when going into a circuit city.

  19. list of reasons by egburr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    • Price - hundreds to thousands of dollars for a computer versus tens of dollars for a phone
    • Ease of use - I can make and complete a phone call in less time than my computer takes to boot
    • Ease of maintainability - virus checking, defragmentation, spyware, trojans, etc. Need I say more?
    • Expected lifespan - Growing up, we had the same phone for 15 years. Even the cheap phones last 5 usually. How long is it until a computer is obsolete? Two years? Unusable in four?
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  20. Old People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    Answer: an aging population.

  21. Well... by sheldon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My father was an engineer at Zenith, back in 60's and 70's... We had one of the first color televisions in the neighborhood. It also just happened to be a engineering prototype. But don't worry! My father had the schematics!

    So in my family, we had what we called the yearly "Fix the Television" event. This would be somewhat akin to reinstalling the OS in your computer. It involved taking the back off the television and with a combination of compressed air and a vacuum, removing most of the dust. Sometimes it involved replacing weak solder joints. But it always involved replacing worn out vacuum tubes.

    Each vacuum tube, of which there were perhaps 20 total, was removed one at a time and carefully wrapped in kleenex and placed in a box. This box then was taken down to Radio Shack where each tube was placed into the tube tester to verify it's performance characteristics.

    After buying the new tubes to replace the old ones, back home we came to reassemble the television.

    People today lament about how there is no longer a need for television repair men. Instead people keep their televisions for 10-15 years and when they die they throw them away. Some day people will be complaining about how you don't need a help desk, and desktop support teams.

    That day can't come soon enough for me.

  22. TV Too Easy? We can fix that... by bockelboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I appreciate the fact that most posters and the article writer seem to blame the difference on the fact that TVs are so much easier to use than computers.

    Those people obviously aren't looking far enough into the future.

    I see a world with a mess of cords behind each and every TV; one where HDMI gets half-adapted as the "one true solution" for each component, before 3 new incompatible versions of the cord come out.

    I see a world of MS Media Center. A world where it takes a day or two to set up your TV. A world which requires firmware updates to DVRs, firmware updates to DVD players, firmware updates to BluRay / HD-DVD players, HDCP updates to TVs -- without which none of the above components will work. Dare I even say that the first non-computer electronics virus will come within the next 2 years?

    I see a world of TV remotes with full-sized keyboards so you can buy Pay-Per-View movies directly from the internet, and view them the next day when they download. I see a world where the bootup time for your setup is measured in minutes, not seconds.

    Perhaps, some day in the future, after work we will go home to watch some TV to relax. Then we will all go outside in order to relax from watching TV.

  23. There is a reason. by mlush · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup

  24. Universally embraced... by Mystery00 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Quick, someone call the US embassy and let them know there's a world out here! Mystery

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  25. Remember the internet appliance? by qweqwe321 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The simple solution is to provide an slightly more functional version of the internet appliance that Just Works (tm). Something like a Wii with a keyboard and AbiWord would be perfect-- an interface that is idiot-proof, comes out secure by default, uses a remote for navigation, and all you have to do is plug it into your TV and its Ethernet port. Most people already have a television set and free RCA jacks-- there's no need to buy a whole separate set of peripherals to watch YouTube and type emails to Aunt Mary.

  26. Obvious answer by NatteringNabob · · Score: 2, Funny

    [What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?] Windows.

  27. Its ... by PPH · · Score: 2, Funny

    What keeps the most important and powerful communication tool since the telephone from being universally embraced?

    Patch Tuesday.

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  28. On Windows by AP31R0N · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It's cute seeing all the windows bashing here. However, 90% of the computers of the world are running windows, so windows CAN'T be the problem. Windows has done more to make computer use prevalent than anything else. People like to complain about windows being bloated and unstable. But to say that they have to ignore that Windows has to work with hundreds of hardware vendors and thousands of software vendors. Linux and Mac have far fewer compatibility issues, not because they are superior in design, but because there are so few things to install into them or connect to them. If a company wanted to make video games for Linux, how much could they possibly make? Making hardware for Macs is almost as futile. You can sell to 9 users or to 1. There are some situations where a monopoly can be good for the consumer. Mass production lowers price. More potential customers = more enticement to produce things. i am not a windows fanboy, i am however a fanboy of being objective. Windows has its flaws, but most of those flaws are overcome by allow the user a huge array of software and hardware. Linux, while i love the idea of it, is still not ready for prime time. Anyway, back to the subject.

    We also have segments of the population that have no reason at all to have a computer. Just because we /.ers are so entwined with our machines, doesn't mean that everyone else wants to be or should be. Anyone over the age of 60 has only a few uses for a computer. The main use being keeping in touch with their grandkids who won't call them anymore. As people age their brains learn more slowly, new things require learning. We tried to get grandma to use email and she was terrified of the machine. Then there are people who live in the sticks. Dial up is painful to use, and getting worse since web developers are largely incompetent and are making sites more complex and larger. Our culture revere athletes above teachers and scientists and artist (not to be confused with performers). It shouldn't be a surprise. i think that the next generation of kids will see to it that everyone has a computer and broadband.

    We also have a populous that hates to pay taxes. We hate being told what to do or how things should be done. In cultures like Japan, the leaders can say, "Right, we're going to IP6", and it's done. If that means raising taxes or making citizens/companies change their ways, so be it. We however comma are all cowboys alone on the range. i'm not saying either is right or wrong, just describing what i see. There are good and bad things each model. Our future might depend on adoption of technology. We face obsolescence if we don't adapt.

    i think we are slow to adopt IT because the US has a strong anti-intellectual streak. We hate anyone smarter/more educated than us. Computers are for smart people, smart people think they are soooo superior to us. Again, the next generation might not think that way. My lil brother, ten years younger than i, had a PC in the house since he was 7. i had one in the home since i was (does the math) 17. Now kids are coming back from the hospital never knowing a life without a computer in the home.

    Build a console that does email and chat, like WebTV. Build machines that can do only ONE thing at a time. Want to do word processing? Slap in the Word cartridge. Let's play WoW, slap in the WoW cartridge. That's what most Americans want from a computer. Anything more complex than that should be for geeks only. Whoever builds this machine will be a brazillianaire.

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