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Scientists Offer New Way to Read Online Text

An anonymous reader writes "Scientists at a small startup called Walker Reading Technologies in Minnesota have determined that the human brain is not wired properly to read block text. They have found that our eyes view text as if they're peering through a straw. Not only does your brain see the text on the line you're reading, but it's also uploading superfluous information from the two lines above and the two lines below. This causes your brain to engage in a tug of war as it fights to filter and ignore the noise. The result is slower reading speeds and decreased comprehension. The company has developed a product that automatically re-formats text in a way that your brain can more easily comprehend."

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  1. Dr. Seuss by Nimey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's certainly very easy to read, and the formatting reminds me of Dr. Seuss books.

    The only downside I can see (if this gets used in print) is the waste of paper compared to current methods.

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    1. Re:Dr. Seuss by smittyman · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean that we can use paper for printing letters and stuff? Does that come with many fonts and all?

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    2. Re:Dr. Seuss by Nimey · · Score: 4, Funny

      People would take that as license to write purple text on a red background.

      Then Myspace would have to be invented.

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    3. Re:Dr. Seuss by cyphercell · · Score: 5, Insightful
      http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/ beforeafter1.jpg

      I noticed several things that make it difficult for me to actually evaluate the difference. First each uses a different font, then the one that is supposed to be inferior ends with an incomplete sentance "A cell is" - making it gramatically inferior, if you zoom in you'll notice that the inferior sample didn't compress well in the jpg, the fonts are different sizes, and finally live link labeling the new sample as "Section 1:" provides more contextual information making it in fact more informative. While these changes are subtle each by themselves they are all time tested methods for improving text. Don't blur the text, add contextual info, complete your sentances and use standardized grammar. If this is the standard output from their software then this is truly not impressive. Aside from these issues, haven't people used collumns for a long time too?

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    4. Re:Dr. Seuss by GreyPoopon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Somebody mod the parent comment up. I was going to say exactly the same thing. Folks, when you're going to announce a "breakthrough", you need to let it stand on its own without any "helpers". Maybe this wasn't done on purpose, but then it ought to be a lesson that one needs to be EXTREMELY careful how they inform the world of their discoveries. This particular group of researchers has lost my trust.

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    5. Re:Dr. Seuss by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      This has to work. I know I can read a page twice as fast if it is double spaced.

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    6. Re:Dr. Seuss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So basically
      they are patenting
      the annoying
      way that
      some
      people send
      IM's?

    7. Re:Dr. Seuss by OECD · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then Myspace would have to be invented.

      Or Wired.

      Yeah, they've gotten better, but they still spin the random color wheels every now and again.

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    8. Re:Dr. Seuss by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe it's just me, but I don't discard the extra 'noise' that I get from reading. I read roughly every second or third line, build up a composite image of the paragraph, tokenise it in parallel, and then parse it from that. It's a much better fit with how the optical system works than how people tend to describe reading, and possibly why I read a lot faster than most people I know. This new system slows my reading rate a lot.

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    9. Re:Dr. Seuss by smallfries · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe I'm bucking the trend so far, but I found the reformatted versions harder to read than normal text. You're right about their bad comparison - but comparing their "poetic" formatting against normal text on a webpage (not their example) makes me think that ther technique makes it harder to read.

      Their "revelation" about how the eyes scan a page is well known and understood in page design and layout. Also, the idea that the brain has to remove "clutter" from the surrounding words is false. The brain uses the pattern of the text above and below to help the eye scan back to the beginning of the line quickly. Also the brain interprets the surrounding text to get an earlier chance to parse what is coming. The line underneath is processed before it is consciously read, kind of a warm-up run.

      Sadly I can't remember where I read this, or find a reference to it...

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    10. Re:Dr. Seuss by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No joke. For those of us aural thinkers, this is the most annoying presentation possible. You stop in the middle of a phrase. If they diced it up by phrases, it wouldn't be bad, but hearing the words "I think" followed by a pause while your eye scans down to the words "I can" in the next line.... It's worse than children's books. It is absolutely horrible for me to read those samples.

      Here's a version of that paragraph rewritten in this style. Tell me if you have a harder time reading it.

      No joke.
      For those
      of us aural thinkers,
      this is
      the most annoying presentation
      possible.
      You stop
      in the middle
      of a phrase.
      If they
      diced it up
      by phrases,
      it wouldn't be
      bad,
      but hearing the words
      "I think"
      followed by
      a pause
      while your eye
      scans down
      to the words
      "I can"
      in the next line....
      It's worse
      than children's books.
      It is
      absolutely horrible
      for me
      to read those samples.

      Don't get me wrong, block text is hard to read, but this can be improved significantly through using fonts that are large enough to read, using a serif font to provide additional clues about letter shapes, leaving more space between lines, and limiting your paragraphs to no more than about three or four lines of text. You don't have to insult the intelligence of the reader to get a point across...
      like my post
      seems
      to do,
      but really
      doesn't.

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    11. Re:Dr. Seuss by Ontology42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eye Queue is an application that teaches you how to speed read. What ever happened to the idea of trying to learn something instead of being so lazy that we have the computer re-render information for us. I understand that we are silly monkeys but last time I checked we were pretty good at adapting to our surroundings, hence the reason we are at the top of the food chain. Instead of re-formatting your text, why not reformat your brain? it does change over time and you can learn to read entire paragraphs at a time, just ask anyone in the publishing industry.

    12. Re:Dr. Seuss by GeckoX · · Score: 2, Funny

      They just want us all to start talking like James T Kirk.

      Oh the horror.

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    13. Re:Dr. Seuss by Lijemo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some people think primarily in sounds (can you hear what I'm sayin?), which is aural thinking.

      Others think primarily visually (can you see what I mean?) Some think spatially (do you need to organize your thoughts? Seeing this from a different angle? Wrapping your mind around it?). Some think tactilely (can you feel what I'm getting at here? Getting a grip on it?). Some think kinetically (am I moving you at all? Finding common ground?) I'm sure there are others which I'm forgetting.

      Any means of processing incoming information, is going to be affected by your thinking style. I agree with you that the GP's demonstration of how "bad" the style is is far faster and easier to read than the original paragraph-- but then, I'm a spatial thinker, not an aural one.

    14. Re:Dr. Seuss by treeves · · Score: 2, Interesting
      It works quite well for me, actually.

      The problem is, when it gets implemented on many websites, there will be loads of ads on either side of the text, completely distracting and ruining any advantage offered by the text format.

      At least that is my fear based on my expectation that this method wouldn't work well when I read the summary. Whenever I see narrow columns of text now it's surrounded by distracting ads that make it more difficult to read.

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    15. Re:Dr. Seuss by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's a version of that paragraph rewritten in this style.


      No, you just did short lines with the same left margin, not the style shown in the samples.
    16. Re:Dr. Seuss by BearMachine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your example is quite different from the example shown in the article. There is no identation, your line breaks appear to be random, and all words are formatted equally.

      The real example can be found at: http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/ beforeafter1.jpg

      Your example sort of sounds like a William Shatner monologue in my mind. It's annoying and has no flow, but the Live Ink example is easy to read and flows like haiku.

  2. Scrolling by athloi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The screenshot
        looks good.

    It breaks the text down
      into phrases
      like poetry.

    (It looks sort of
        like code.)

    But, for anything
        other than a short document,
          you will be scrolling a long time,
      baby.

    Just up the css line-height to 2, and call it a day.

    1. Re:Scrolling by hawks5999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah Lots of scrolling so the time saved from reading will be lost to scrolling I'll stick to block text.

    2. Re:Scrolling by the_humeister · · Score: 5, Funny

      You forgot the final line: "Burma Shave!"

    3. Re:Scrolling by LurkerXXX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And did you notice how blurry the image was of the 'standard' text. Nice job there. "look how much easier the text on the right is to read compared to the old stuff on the left!". This is a SERIOUSLY flawed example.

      Did they do such a shoddy job in the study? Why is there no link to a peer-reviewed study?

    4. Re:Scrolling by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's weird, but as I read text formatted like that, I mentally insert a pause after each line. My mental voice says "Itbreaksthetextdown.... intophrases..... likepoetry............."

      It's actually quite annoying, and I prefer block text. :-)

    5. Re:Scrolling by nine-times · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did they do such a shoddy job in the study? Why is there no link to a peer-reviewed study?

      They do link to an actual journal article, and you'll find the same link on Live Ink's website. I don't know how respectable "ReadingOnline" is, but why are you assuming that this magazine article is the total of Live Ink's "research"? The example image you're talking was generated by Venture Beat, and not by Live Ink, and the example is only meant to give an idea of what Live Ink does.

  3. Who needs Live Ink? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    We could all
            just start typing
                  all our messages
    just like this!

    Nah, that might
          be too annoying...

    1. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Funny

      No it won't.
          Because if you didn't
              type it this way
                    I might have
                        skipped over
                            your post.

    2. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by byjove · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you're missing the part about how the positioning of the words are determined. The algorithms used were inspired by spoken syntax: "The prosodic cues in spoken language are more complex than simple pauses at phrase boundaries; subtle variations in pitch, volume, and the duration of word pronunciation have been shown to convey hierarchical structures in syntax (Ferreira & Anes, 1994). When these prosodic-syntactic cues of speech are experimentally stripped away from audiorecordings of sentences, listeners' comprehension drops (Cutler, Dahan, & van Donselaar, 1997). This finding has important implications for reading because, when language is written down, many of these same syntactic cues are similarly stripped away" Also, according to the supporting paper, parsing sentences along these lines help support the goals of the semantic web, helping online readers to parse complex expository writing.

    3. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by radtea · · Score: 5, Informative

      The algorithms used were inspired by spoken syntax:

      Which may not be all that relevant to the comprehension of written language.

      One aspect the linked article emphasizes is that spoken language is ephemeral, whereas written language is permanent. This is a large difference, as anyone who can read a second language with relative fluency but understand the spoken form hardly at all knows.

      For this and many other reasons (no one speaks like a textbook or scientific paper for a reason--writing is far more effective at conveying certain types of information) it is problematic to claim without proof that "making writing more like speech is a good thing." In some cases it is probably true. In lots of other cases it may well be false. It will depend on the nature of the information being conveyed.

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    4. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And when it is written down we call this punctuation.

      The problem I have with the examples are that they are really easy to read aloud, either in one's head or vocally, but very difficult to read fast without actually verbalizing the script. Some of the research notes support this view:

      After several students requested to read the syntactically formatted textbooks aloud in a low voice, and were permitted to do so, a majority of students elected, at least from time to time, to read these texts aloud. Although poorer readers in the VSTF group would read aloud regularly, one-fourth of the students in the VSTF group preferred to read silently and alone. This request to read aloud never emerged from the control groups , who, by contrast, generally resisted or declined reading aloud. In other words, the VSTF format seems to be geared toward verbalizing the sentence, either in one's head or vocally. That makes it good for 'slow' reading for facts in complext texts, like all of their tests were (college and high school textbooks), but maybe not good for speed reading esp where the exact content doesn't matter (harry potter).
    5. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by ballpoint · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now how does this explain that we're able to read text more than 20 times as fast as it can be uttered ?

      Some people who have trouble reading speedily might be trying to "silently speak out" what they're reading, acting like a narrator and a listener in one, instead of just absorbing and processing the incoming stream of 2-3 lines at a time (and a line or two during the backscan, if you're into boustrophedonic reading).

      For them this layout may help. For experienced readers, not so much.

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    6. Re:Who needs Live Ink? by myth24601 · · Score: 2

      "The algorithms used were inspired by spoken syntax:"

      If this is the case they should have added in some ums and uhs and ya knows.

      for example:

      Ya know like,
          the uhhh algorithms
                used were um

      inspired by like spoken syntax.

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  4. Low tech workaround by SlayerofGods · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I personally just highlight the text with my mouse as I read through an article seems to help me keep my place and read faster.
    Of course it drives anyone reading over my shoulder nuts....

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    1. Re:Low tech workaround by aegisalpha · · Score: 2, Funny

      I do the same thing, annoying people that look over my shoulder is a good byproduct. Now if only I could make them stop actually touching the screen when they want to point at something...

  5. If it was really better... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...someone would have already invented this "new" method. Unfortunately, it's not better. The text is certainly easier to follow (which proves the research), but that's only half the battle. The formatting implies certain cues such as tone, volume, and emphasis. By reformatting the text, the software loses the original cues and accidentally adds new ones. The new cues may change the overall meaning of the text resulting in a failure to communicate.

    1. Re:If it was really better... by flynt · · Score: 2, Funny

      If it was really better someone would have already invented this "new" method.

      What a bizarre claim! You're implying that there has been no progress ever, and furthermore, there can be no progress ever!

    2. Re:If it was really better... by n3demonic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But what if the online text is mindless boring text, say an online history book. It's monotonous text which wouldn't be misconstrued if written in a different formatting. Wouldn't that help readers? Oh wait... they'd probably be sleeping anyways.

    3. Re:If it was really better... by Akatosh · · Score: 2, Funny

      already invented, people talk like that all the time on irc

    4. Re:If it was really better... by dharbee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Why?"

      Because paper costs money and space is limited. Both of these explanations are superior to yours.

      "Poetry regularly follows such patterns, using them to express a certain spoken "tone" within the meter."

      Poetry is not a legitimate comparison. Poetry is frequently formatted with no regard whatsoever to how easy it is to read. Often, the formatting is done to preserve tings which actually make it harder to read, on purpose.

      "So why can't we transfer it to regular text? There must be an overriding reason?"

      Because paper costs money and space is limited. Both of these explanations are superior to yours.

      "When you introduce a solution to a problem, you need to make sure that it's easily adoptable."

      No actually you don't.

      "Is the new solution truly superior if the supposedly superior solution is more difficult to use than the solution it replaces?"

      Did you really say this? How many things did you learn as a child that you found a better way to do later, but had to learn first? If it's difficult at first, but then becomes more efficient after learning, then yes it is better.

      It seems that ultimately your only real objection is that this is "inelegant", which has caused you to manufacture other spurious objections in order to justify your dislike of this methods aesthetics.

    5. Re:If it was really better... by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The new cues may change the overall meaning of the text resulting in a failure to communicate.

      I think this might be my only objection to the idea. I went to their site and started reading Moby Dick, and it immediately occurred to me that, by changing the formating, it changed the way I was reading the text. I think it does make reading the text easier, but it made me read the text more like poetry, and in poetry, line breaks often have a sort of significance. A line break tends to change the timing, almost like a form of punctuation.

      If you think about it, we often use whitespace like punctuation. I just did-- I broke to a new paragraph to signify that I was shifting focus. Maybe this is something fairly innate in people, or maybe it's strictly conventional. Either way, that's how we all read. Whitespace is punctuation. Therefore, it's not clear to me that it's necessarily appropriate to go adding whitespace to other people's writing without considering the effect on meaning.

      Consider if someone published a copy of Moby Dick with new punctuation, periods and commas where they weren't before, and dropping some commas and periods. Let's say they broke up paragraphs how they wanted and not how Melville wrote them. Could they make it more readable? Perhaps. But it's trickier to ask whether such an act would be appropriate. By changing the punctuation and whitespace, you change the cadence and timing, and potentially the meaning. I'm sure Faulkner could be edited to make it more readable, but readability isn't everything.

  6. Saw something similar before by MontyApollo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Years ago I saw a shareware program that was supposed to help you read text faster. I think they were basing it upon a different principle involving eye movement speed, but it would be a compatible idea to this approach. You would just look at a certain fixed point on a blank page and it would feed you one word at time at whatever speed you select. The words always showed up at the same position, so in terms of this article your "straw" would be in a fixed position.

    I was able to read quite a bit faster, but I did not have the money to spend on it at the time. I also wasn't sure how useful it would be outside of novels.

    1. Re:Saw something similar before by SQLGuru · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been reading through straws (tubes?) since the early days of the Internet......I get most of my "news" online now (I use the term loosely because, well, I read /. afterall).

      Layne

  7. Slower reading speeds? by UncleTogie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... uploading superfluous information from the two lines above and the two lines below...The result is slower reading speeds and decreased comprehension.
    WTF? This is how I've always done speed-reading...
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    1. Re:Slower reading speeds? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Funny

      WTF? This is how I've always done speed-reading... I always do my speed reading by skipping the article and just posting on /.
    2. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Peganthyrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes! All that randomly placed red text slowed me way down. It's like comic book dialogue with the emphasis placed even more randomly.

      I have also wired myself to read quickly for years; I probably do somewhat parallellize the processing of the sentences.

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    3. Re:Slower reading speeds? by Bamafan77 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WTF? This is how I've always done speed-reading...
      Everyone claiming to speed read is probably just scanning text. True speed reading (1000 words per minute with high comprehension) is basically a myth.
  8. Looks Like an Ad or Poster by UCRowerG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone else see the similarity between the formatted text and what many advertisers and graphic designers have been doing for years?

    1. Re:Looks Like an Ad or Poster by ilovechristy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget about zapreader - zapreader.com

  9. Less confusing? by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's supposed to be LESS confusing? My eye jumps to the colored words first, which appear to be picked almost randomly. (It looks like they are actually the verbs of the sentences.) Then I have to force my eye back to the beginning of the sentence and try to ignore the different colors. Then, because there's a break between that sentence and the next, I have to do the same thing all over again.

    And what's the difference if my eyes are pulling words from the previous and next sentence or the pieces of the current one? It's still giving me information that I don't need -right now- in the sentence.

    And the additional poem-like formatting is also confusing, as special formatting usually -means- something.

    Training myself to read this, which is only used online and only if licensed by this company, would be a hassle. And used very little.

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  10. Summary by norminator · · Score: 5, Funny

    I couldn't understand the summary... there is too much text there in one big block. Could someone please explain it to me... maybe reformat it so it's easier to read?

    1. Re:Summary by Aminion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Summary: buy our product.

  11. Wow. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess there really is something to be said for haphazard scrawling of random broken sentences which trail annoyingly around the page.

    It looks like there are quite a few Vogon-poetry hopefuls in sororities and coffeehouses to whom I owe an apology!

  12. FAQs by Therlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course their FAQs are not posted in that format.

  13. This is great... by pointbeing · · Score: 4, Funny

    The company has developed a product that automatically re-formats text in a way that your brain can more easily comprehend. Pictures of Japanese schoolgirls?
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  14. Ode to a Filter by adamjaskie · · Score: 2, Funny

    I try to forrmat my writing In a way that is easy to read. But Slashdot has Lameness filtering That makes it difficult indeed.

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    1. Re:Ode to a Filter by adamjaskie · · Score: 4, Funny

      I try to forrmat my writing
      In a way that is easy to read.
      But Slashdot has Lameness filtering
      That makes it difficult indeed.

      The preview button yells to me
      "Use me! Use me!" I hear it shout.
      Alas, my naughty fingers flee
      A bit to the left; I've lost this bout.

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  15. Ever read poetry? by Hoplite3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In poetry, this sort of formatting is common. But the formatting implies emphasis, inflection, and so on. All of the readers know this, consciously or not. So their perception of what the text says will be different. Block text adds little emphasis (although short paragraphs convey faster action).

    Also, while it is true that people stumble on the text above or below a line, this effect can be helpful if you're skimming. It would be a pain to skim a ten (block paragraph) page of text in this poetry format. Not only would there be a lot more scrolling, but you can't just "image" a paragraph at a time to find the piece you're looking for. I'll admit, the modern way of formatting text may not be the best, but it is so entrained that'd be tough to change without all sorts of unintended consequences.

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  16. Biased images? Nahhh.... by Carik · · Score: 4, Informative

    First impressions when looking at the image that accompanies this article:
    1) The block text version is actually blurred. Compare the initial "M" from each side... there's a major difference in clarity of the image.
    2) I find the "clear" version nearly impossible to read. It's a bit too randomly coloured and formatted.
    3) The people who did this research are idiots.

    OK, so two of the three are subjective. But I'm pretty certain about the first, and I think the third is pretty likely.

    Add in the points other people have mentioned -- long scroll times, loss of standard formatting tricks to convey meaning -- and this all starts looking pretty useless to me.

  17. Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by StCredZero · · Score: 5, Funny

    They just went and put an indenter on the English Language!

    Now someone needs to invent a variant of English that requires indentation as a part of the syntax. It would be the Python of natural languages. Pyglish?

    1. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by thehickcoder · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, that would be Pyg Latin!

    2. Re:Seuss - No, it's Code Formatting! by mblase · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, it's not just indenting -- you can see from the highlights that they're breaking lines according to where the verbs are, kinda like those sentence diagrams you hated doing in junior high, and indenting according to the role that verb plays.

      (On the flip side, this seems to suggest that the engine needs to work entirely differently based on what language you're reading.)

      I'm kind of impressed, actually, in that the engine makes any kind of text look and read like non-rhyming poetry, implying that poets figured this technique out centuries before anyone actually codified it.

  18. Looks strangely familiar... by shadowspar · · Score: 4, Funny

    seeing the article
    text, strangely familiar
    where have I seen it?

    the light bulb goes on
    a haiku generator
    can it truly be?

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  19. 700 Words Per Minute by rrhal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My uncle could read 700 words per minute. He would look a section of a page and grab part of 3 or 4 lines at once. He brain would be putting the lines back together while he was scaning the next section. He always read that way. He was a farmer - he almost no time for reading in the summer but long stretches in the winter. He could easily read over 100 books in that time.

    In other words the effect that this process is fighting can be used to read much faster than most of us do. I can't do it for more than a few minutes but if you trained early enough or hard enough I think you could get there.

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  20. This would make an excellent teaching aid by PFI_Optix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At work, I deal with the software used to help kids who are struggling with reading a lot. Presently, all it does is give them a section of text, let them listen to recorded readings of it, and then have them try to emulate what they heard. It does work for a lot of kids, but it's slow going.

    What I see in this new method of formatting is that the sentences are being being broken up very similar to how their natural spoken rhythm would flow, making it much easier for a struggling student to read aloud. It shouldn't be a crutch, but I can picture a kid being shown the entire written text, and then this version of it. Have the kid read the Live Ink version aloud into a microphone and play back the recording for him to hear how it sounds, then try to do that with the "normal" text.

    This could really be something huge for education. I'm about to go talk to our special programs director about it, this looks like it could be very useful.

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    120 characters for a sig? That's bloody useless.
  21. Read line by line? That's crazy slow by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But that's so slow. Not everyone reads "through a straw" like they claim. IF you're really interested in reading, then you should be training your brain to read faster. Stop doing slow stuff like moving your mouth or running your finger along word by word.

    You shouldn't be like a beginner reading one of those children's books with 3 words a page.

    Learn to read stuff chunk by chunk - keep your eyes further away from the screen if the whole column is to wide to fit - that's why newsprint is in narrow columns. Most human eyes don't have a wide angle of view especially with those crappy blind spots.

    Brains definitely can do parallel processing, and read multiple lines at a time. And brains can learn and adapt. Trust me, you do not want to adapt to reading like a beginner.

    Often I can spot spelling mistakes after just a glance at an entire page of print - they just stick out. And sometimes at a glance, my brain notices that there's an unusual word somewhere, and I become aware of it, but just don't know where I saw it on the page (but just a brief search and I'll find it). I think there must be editors (real ones not slashdot ones) out there who do this much better.

    In this day and age where there's lots of textual data I don't think it's a good idea to teach people to read stuff in a format where they have to keep doing "next page" every second.

    Life is too short.

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  22. Newspapers by Kludge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Newspapers already do this
    to some degree.

    They use narrow columns when
    formatting their text so
    people can read it faster.

    Your fovias don't have
    to bounce back and forth
    as much.

  23. Python is so 4 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ruby + English = Rubish

  24. More readable version by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Summary:
            buy our product.

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  25. Exactly! by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do you think we format code this way?

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  26. These are basic design issues. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 3, Informative

    It sounds to me like scientists are over-thinking the problem. These are all basic design problems a designer with good typography skills can resolve. The solution certainly isn't to reinvent how we write.

    I see three glaring problems making text difficult to read, especially online.

    1) Text blocks are too wide. This is the biggest problem I see. It's difficult to follow progress when you're reading 10pt text running all the way across the screen. One of the biggest things I hate about websites is when they stretch EVERYTHING including text. Open the window too wide and you get these ridiculously long lines of text. Slashdot is guilty of this.

    The solution to this is to restrict the width of any copy, even if the page itself can stretch. A line of text shouldn't really be run any longer than roughly 10 long words. I'd say a good example of line width can be found in paperback novels.

    2) Not enough leading. Leading is the space between lines. This alone solves the problem mentioned where a reader starts getting distracted by words above and below the sentence currently being read. Again, this is basic design and it's something completely disregarded on the internet where lines of text are crammed together.

    The solution here is especially simple. Increase linespace, and I suggest being fairly liberal with spacing.

    3) Poor font selection and small point size. The standard browser fonts are somewhat readable. Serif fonts, like Times New Roman, are more legible than san-serif fonts like Verdana and Arial. This is a minor problem but serif fonts are recognized more quiclky. But I'd say font selection is dependent on the overall design of the site. A bigger problem is when someone uses some wacky font that's difficult to read, although this is more of an issue in Flash where fonts can be embedded.

    The bigger problem is font size. After all these years with dramatic increases in screen resolutions why are we still reading text online in 10 point? We should be at least at 12 point, and ideally 14pt or higher. There's no need to go huge, but it's time we start utilizing these screen resolutions more effectively. There's no need to cram a novel onto a single page. When a reader encounters a screen crammed with type, psychologically they're overwhelmed and less likely to actually bother reading anything. If course, with all the advertising appearing on some websites it's getting increasingly difficult to design a page that's actually easy to read.

    If these scientists want to address online text legibility take a few basic typography courses.

  27. not new by jafac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This sounds like the conventional wisdom from your basic Tech Writing class, where the rule of thumb is; at least 50% whitespace on the page.

    In fact, childrens' book typesetters have known about this, ever since there have been childrens' books.

    Now - for reading text on the web; I've noticed - particularly in ad-supported content, that there's a trend (who am I kidding? It's been the standard for over 10 years now - and before that; ad-supported print) - to condense text to make more room for ads. (which is why the text-size plugins for firefox are so great!).

    Sorry, but I'm not too terribly impressed with this "study".

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  28. Let's write chinese by DescData · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of something my taiwanese sister in law used to say. She claimed that the chinese form of writing is more efficient because a person can glance at a large amount of information and just "get it". Maybe I should not have been so dismissive. Maybe by distilling an idea into just two graphic 'characters' you have something dense that you can concentrate on/focus on. For all the flexibility of western language, it spreads things out.
    Just my thoughts,

  29. Smalltalk Rubish by jdbartlett · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're overlooking the simple elegance of Rubish word blocks. Some moldy old writers just don't see the problem with "sentences" and "paragraphs". The verbosity of these older techniques is what makes managing texts like "Ulysses" and "War And Peace" so difficult and complex. These works would barely be novellas if they had been written in Rubish.

    Also, Rubish has excellent automatic garbage collection. PC Magazine was impressed when they saw a draft of The Complete Works Of John Dvorak in Rubish: a single exclamation mark in the middle center of an otherwise blank sheet of paper.

    And let's not forget its other features: four levels of variable article, exception handling (one Rubishist summarized this as the "no ifs or buts" rule), advanced punctuation overloading (exclamation marks aren't just for shocks), and something I can't believe English STILL doesn't support: regular expression (say one thing, mean another. The RIAA and MPAA tried introducing this feature to English in an attempt at explaining the advantages of DRM. Not only did they fail, they sued one another for copying the other's idea.)

    You're interested in learning more about Rubish, I can tell. I recommend Prattling Rubish, part of the Prattling Penmen series. The book itself is written entirely in Rubish. It's three pages long and takes most people a couple of weeks to decipher.

  30. Re:For me, the vertical text was awful by jdray · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The GP's reformatted paragraph didn't take into account the line indentation that the article showed.  I think part of the trick for them is to make the "carriage return" shorter, making your eyes have to travel less distance to get to the next piece of the sentence.  Note how, in the article, the lines that started indented were short, so that the distance from the end of them to the beginning of the next line, which was indented less, still wasn't much?  This keeps the text from creeping across the page as it goes down.

    Also, if you try to read
        something that
      is randomly
    broken
         along indeterminate
       points in a sentence,
    then it will be
       much harder to
    read than if it has

          been dissected into
       parts that pay attention
              to the natural
         breaks in the language.

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  31. I'm not sure that should have been rated "funny". by MickLinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I tend to read about 2-3 times faster than most "good" readers I know.

    I'm not sure that should have been rated "funny". I actually find the block text to be easier to read than the poetry-style lines. First of all, the color interferes with my ability to keep the whole sentence together. My brain actually ends up sticking the black text together in one group, and the red text together in another group. That really slows me down.

    So I started thinking about why I read block text so fast.

    Let's go over that last "funny" post. Yeah, it was written in the style of tongue-in-cheek quips, but I'm not sure the guy was joking.

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't discard the extra 'noise' that I get from reading. I read roughly every second or third line

    Okay, I read approximately one phrase (line) at a time. When I'm speed reading, I don't bother to understand the words of that line until my eyes are already on the next line. It feels like I'm reading every second or third line, but I'm actually hitting every one.

    build up a composite image of the paragraph, tokenise it in parallel

    I then attach a significance to the phrase, and approximate what the relation of the phrases are, according to ifs, ands, and buts, as well as punctuation.

    and then parse it from that.

    Then I discard the lines that seem relatively unimportant, giving me a basic summary of the paragraph. From this, I fit the other sentences back in as needed. What that means, realistically speaking, is that I look at the paragraph, identify the main topic, and glance through it as needed to understand the specifics.

    It's a much better fit with how the optical system works than how people tend to describe reading, and possibly why I read a lot faster than most people I know. This new system slows my reading rate a lot.

    Which is what I've experienced, too.

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  32. Re:Dr. Seuss/Trying again with correct format by MickLinux · · Score: 3, Funny
    I tend to read about 2-3 times faster than most "good" readers I know.

    I'm not sure that should have been rated "funny". I actually find the block text to be easier to read than the poetry-style lines. First of all, the color interferes with my ability to keep the whole sentence together. My brain actually ends up sticking the black text together in one group, and the red text together in another group. That really slows me down.

    So I started thinking about why I read block text so fast.

    Let's go over that last "funny" post. Yeah, it was written in the style of tongue-in-cheek quips, but I'm not sure the guy was joking.

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't discard the extra 'noise' that I get from reading. I read roughly every second or third line

    Okay, I read approximately one phrase (line) at a time. When I'm speed reading, I don't bother to understand the words of that line until my eyes are already on the next line. It feels like I'm reading every second or third line, but I'm actually hitting every one.

    build up a composite image of the paragraph, tokenise it in parallel

    I then attach a significance to the phrase, and approximate what the relation of the phrases are, according to ifs, ands, and buts, as well as punctuation.

    and then parse it from that.

    Then I discard the lines that seem relatively unimportant, giving me a basic summary of the paragraph. From this, I fit the other sentences back in as needed. What that means, realistically speaking, is that I look at the paragraph, identify the main topic, and glance through it as needed to understand the specifics.

    It's a much better fit with how the optical system works than how people tend to describe reading, and possibly why I read a lot faster than most people I know. This new system slows my reading rate a lot.

    Which is what I've experienced, too.

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  33. Re:For me, the vertical text was awful by Petrushka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not indeterminate. It looks like they're breaking at commas and verbs, and highlighting the finite verbs (including auxiliary and modal verbs). Trouble is, that won't work for many kinds of sentences. For example, the summary reformatted would start as follows:

    == quote==

    Scientists at a small startup
        called Walker Reading Technologies in Minnesota
            have determined that the human brain
                is not wired properly
                    to read block text.

    They have found that our eyes
        view text as if
            they're peering through a straw.

    Not only does your brain see the text on the line
        you're reading,
            but it's also uploading superfluous information from the two lines above and the two lines below.

    This causes your brain
        to engage in a tug of war as it
            fights to filter and
                ignore the noise.

    The result is slower reading speeds and decreased comprehension.

    == end quote ==

    The first sentence ends up as block text anyway, and I find the wildly varying lengths of clauses make the third sentence difficult to read too. I'm really not impressed, especially as they're going to have to pull some fancy tricks with AI to get the app to recognise verbs properly.

    For example, a dumb programme would probably misidentify "tug" in the fourth sentence as a verb, "ignore" as a finite form when it's actually an infinitive, and probably also mistakenly highlight "is ... reading" in the fifth sentence as an auxiliary-plus-participle combination, when it's actually verb-plus-gerund.