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Illinois Raids Welfare for Videogame Legislation

jcgam69 writes "Recent hearings revealed that the State of Illinois spent $1 million defending their unconstitutional video games legislation. The story gets even worse when you learn where the money came from. 'Some of the areas money was taken from included the public health department, the state's welfare agency and even the economic development department. A state representative who attended recent hearings on the issue said that Gov. Blagojevich's staff simply spread the legal bills around by sticking them to agencies which had funds left in their budgets--even if the agencies had nothing to do with the issue or the litigation.'"

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  1. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Elwood: Illinois Nazis.
    Jake: I hate Illinois Nazis.

  2. This really isn't a surprise. by PixieDust · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And anyone who is surprised by this hasn't been paying attention tot he level of corruption at higher levels. This government is rotting from the inside out. One look at the myriad of scandals and corruption at the top is all that's needed to deduce that at lower levels, it's going to be just as bad, albeit potentially not as well known, because it's not as sensational. Doesn't make for news quite as good as a Lawyer testifying before congress that she doesn't want to incriminate herself with her testimony over attorney's being fired. Apparently she didn't understand what being granted Immunity meant.

    C'mon, with idiocy like that rampant, is anyone really shocked by this?

    On the other hand, I can see exactly why this was done, and why it might be ok. It is the taxpayer's money, and it's expectd to be used. They spent it very poorly yes, but it's there to be spent. If the public is upset about it, they need to make that known, by tossing those dips out of office. If they don't do that, then no bitching from you. Either change it or stfu.

    1. Re:This really isn't a surprise. by ravenshrike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really the headline should read: Just another day of corruption in Illinois politics, move along.

    2. Re:This really isn't a surprise. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the other hand, I can see exactly why this was done, and why it might be ok. It is the taxpayer's money, and it's expectd to be used. They spent it very poorly yes, but it's there to be spent. If the public is upset about it, they need to make that known, by tossing those dips out of office. If they don't do that, then no bitching from you. Either change it or stfu. You're right, it isn't a surprise. In another story about how Municipal Wi-Fi is failing, I posted "Harry Browne said it best... Government Doesn't Work!" and I got modded -1 off-topic. This is another example of government not working. There are tens of thousands of instances of government not working that are in the news every year, doesn't matter if it's democrats or republicans in charge. Then the people go to the polls, bend over and say "Thank you, sir! May I have another?" We really need to get away from the two-party Big Brother mentality. If you want to save this democracy, vote against the incumbent, and vote for 3rd party candidates whenever possible.
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    3. Re:This really isn't a surprise. by edwdig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are tens of thousands of instances of government not working that are in the news every year, doesn't matter if it's democrats or republicans in charge.

      Your comment just prompted the following thought:

      Ever think about how many things they do get right? Remember, something is only news if it's out of the ordinary.

    4. Re:This really isn't a surprise. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ever think about how many things they do get right? Remember, something is only news if it's out of the ordinary. Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. In fact, I know that millions of drivers licenses are renewed successfully each year and billions of pieces of mail are delivered successfully every day, etc.

      Now I have to ask you "Do you think about how many things they do wrong that you never hear about?" I used to be a contractor on a government project for nearly 3 years. Lots of good people doing the work they were supposed to. But there was also A LOT of poor decision making, especially when it came to spending--I'm talking $800 toilet seat type spending. When you'd point out that we could get what they needed for far less, the reply was often "it's not my money". Also, it seemed that many people in the top of the bureaucracy were quite incompetent. It was usually all of the small stuff was o.k., but when bad decisions were made, they were show-stoppers. Of course, most of the stuff they did didn't make the news, but when a whole group of people didn't get the child support checks they were expecting for over a week because somebody forgot to see if our new system was compatible with another agency's system, it did. Now maybe my experience is atypical, but I'd be willing to bet that it is not.
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    5. Re:This really isn't a surprise. by CronoCloud · · Score: 3, Informative

      You must not live in Illinois where it's easier to grease a palm and get your suspended license reinstated than for the average person to get their license legally renewed at the DMV


      There's only so many DMV facilities for around 12 million people and only so many hours, you're supposed to renew by phone/mail/internet.

      If you want in-person renewels to go faster, you're going to have to pay more money for longer DMV hours, more offices, and more people.

      .

  3. Remember, kids... by brian0918 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Never trust strangers, authorities, or people named Milorad Blagojevich.

  4. As long as it's for the children!! by faloi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This shouldn't come as a big surprise. I expect a lot of government offices/officials snake money from areas that still have some cash to pay for other interests. It's one of the biggest reasons agencies tend to spend all their money...if they have some left over, there's a chance someone will decide they don't really need that budget money and shift it to some other agency.

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  5. Halo 3 or food? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Which would make you want to commit violence more, playing a video game or not getting a welfare check? Their priorities are completely messed up.

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    1. Re:Halo 3 or food? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which would make you want to commit violence more, playing a video game or not getting a welfare check?

      Someone spending a welfare check on a video game.

    2. Re:Halo 3 or food? by ef738 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Taking money I've earned to encourage others not to work makes me want to commit violence.

    3. Re:Halo 3 or food? by Copid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There was a time when those in need would turn to their community for help when extraordinary circumstances arose.
      So, how well did that work?
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  6. Obviously by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are far too busy thinking of the children to think of the children.

  7. Take it from the legislative budget. by daeg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That bites. The funds should come from the legislative budget, even if they have no funds left. The Legislature would be hard-pressed to pass more bills that could result in massive legal bills if their pay check was directly at risk.

    Either that or create a discretionary fund that is 100% disclosed to voters at voting time, included in clear wording direct in the ballot.

  8. Think of the children! by kidcharles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think of the children! No, seriously, think of the children who need government assistance to eat.

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    1. Re:Think of the children! by ab0mb88 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have found it to be universally true that if you have to be reminded to think about the children, the larger issue probably does not have that much to do with the children in the first place.

  9. Well, yes and no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Normally you try to spend all of your budget in a given year so that the "powers that be" don't cut next year's budget because you obviously didn't need all that money. This is the first I've heard where (apparently) they took already-allocated money back to pay for their stupidity. That sucks even more because you can't even count on the money you already have - you never know when the higher-ups will just change their mind and give it to someone else.

  10. How it really shakes out. by landimal_adurotune · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The games in question are almost always rated M for mature and most chains require ID to buy them anyway. So Illonois spent $1,000,000 trying to protect 17 year old children from exposed breasts. There is far more titilation (pun intended) to be had in a no-age-limit Maxim/Stuff/etc. magazine than in nearly all of these video games. Heck the kids could just go to the art museum for far more nudity, and read Genesis and Leviticus for rape/murder/genocide/incest.

  11. Re:Where'e the problem? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the legislation was important enough to enact, then it's important enough to defend.

    If you thought the legislation exceeded the scope of government, then you think paying to defend it is bad too.

    The problem is, similar legislation had been thrown out in other states as being unconstitutional. So spending money on a bill you already know is going to get shot down by the courts is just stupid. Using budgets from other departments to pay for it is absurd.

    From TFA:

    Spending this sort of money on important causes is one thing; spending it on video game regulation approaches that have been repeatedly ruled unconstitutional in other states is quite another. The situation might be more understandable were it not for the fact that Illinois could have easily seen this coming, either by paying attention to what other states are encountering or by opening a dialogue with the likes of the ESA. Instead of taking that cautious approach, the Governor decided to press on, and now the taxpayers will bear that burden. The fact that some of the money was pulled from public health and welfare only makes the situation worse.


    They knew their law wouldn't hold up in court. They spent tax payers money to defend a position they couldn't defend. They did some creative accounting to pay for it. You don't find that a little irresponsible?

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  12. Re:It's a waste, yes. But get real. by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, the quote is "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money", and ironically it's from Everett Dirksen, late Republican (back when Republicans could be moderates) Senator from Illinois.

    Blagojevich is the Democratic haircut who was elected after Republican George Ryan self-destructed. For those of you who don't live here, Ryan was convicted on multiple corruption charges and is currently out on bond, pending appeal. Blagojevich recently defeated Judy Baar Topinka, a reactionary Republican hack, for a second term.

    Illinois is a strange state. Politics is definetley a contact/blood sport here.

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  13. No, the funds shouldn't come from anywhere. by raehl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is (as an Illinois native) elected officials in Illinois have a history of using their current elected position to campaign for the next one. A good example of this is the Secretary of State - the first thing the guy elected Secretary of State does is plaster "John Doe, Secretary of State" on EVERYTHING in the state. Tollway signs. DMV. Courthouses. Whatever. You can't go into a state building in Illinois without knowing who the secretary of state is.

    And Blagojevich is a just plain corrupt governor. Sometimes I wonder if there really is a conspiracy between the two parties - the only reason Blagojevich got reelected, even though most people BELIEVE he's corrupt, is that the Republicans somehow managed to field a candidate that was SO BAD that corrupt Blagojevich was actually the better choice! I wish I had been paying more attention, as *I* could have gotten elected governor running against those two.

    Anyway, this is just Blagojevich campaigning for Senate or President, using state dollars. You can see the campaign commercial already: 'When Blagojevich was governor of Illinois, he worked to protect vulnerable children from violent video games....'

    1. Re:No, the funds shouldn't come from anywhere. by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not all bad. With any luck, he'll end up just like our last one.

    2. Re:No, the funds shouldn't come from anywhere. by dada21 · · Score: 2, Informative

      He did forget that since businesses haven't been paying their fair share of the tax burden they've got tons of money to spend on lobbyists.

      Totally ridiculous assertion. Illinois businesses pay a higher share of total state and local taxes than businesses in the
      neighboring states of Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, Iowa and Wisconsin:

      Link (PDF warning)

      I run a few businesses in Illinois, and Wisconsin is looking MIGHTY good right now if Blag passes any more business tax legislation. With a horrible zoning situation in most cities, coupled with horrific business regulations at the county and state level, Illinois will quickly lose the small-to-medium sized businesses that operate on a national level.

  14. Re:Hard to say this is bad by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's hard to say this is bad. Anti-videogame laws are unconstitutional and generally stupid.

    Welfare payments trap people in poverty and support criminal activity, drug use, single parenthood (a.k.a. growing up without a father), irresponsibility, dependence, and the inability to develop capabilities or skills.

    Wow. Welfare causes all of those things ... so borrowing money from hookers, junkies, lazy bums, and single moms to pay for court costs is OK? And health care, who needs that, right?

    Nice false dillema you've got there.

    It may be sort of true (in some cases) that some of what you describe is some of the more unfortunate aspects of social programs, but talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water. I'm fairly sure that most of the recipients of welfare aren't included in what you're describing.

    Man, some of you people have such amazing knee-jerk reactions towards any sort of program to help people out it astounds me.

    Cheers
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  15. The only thing... by Jess+(geek-chick) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is the taxpayer's money, and it's expectd to be used.
    If it's Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF, or welfare if you will) money, a lot of it comes from federal block grants. I'm not familiar with Illinois TANF policy, but according to my state, Oklahoma: "Federal money is provided by block grant funding in accordance with federal laws and regulations relating to the TANF program. These state and federal funds are used for assistance and administration under the plan."

    IANAL or work in auditing, but the Governor could get his state into a lot of trouble spending money that was earmarked for that federal program, methinks. I'd hope that during their next federal audit (which happens every year here) they get to the bottom of it and punish just the people responsible, while not impacting the needy families with fines or cuts to the state's grant.
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  16. Re:Hard to say this is bad by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Informative

    A dilemma is a problem offering two solutions, neither of which is acceptable. The two options are often described as the horns of a dilemma, neither of which is comfortable.

    meanwhile

    A dichotomy is a division into two non-overlapping or mutually exclusive and jointly exhaustive parts. They are often contrasting and spoken of as "opposites". The term comes from dichotomos (divided): dich- ([in] two) temnein (to cut).

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    A false dilemma would be one where an option exists that is not uncomfortable.

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    I think dilemma applies (tho mispelled- but hey, this is slashdot.) No- I didn't know the definitions- I had to look them up. I sort of knew what dilemma meant but drew a complete blank on dichotomy.

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    Did you draw a false dilemma? Depends on if you are anti-welfare or not. Some people welfare helps- but I agree that the rule of unintended consequences does apply to welfare. Welfare destroys the lives of a lot of people who would have made it without a ready crutch to destroy them. It's not welfare per se- it's welfare run by a big organization that can't tell the difference between a hard working mom that got laid off and needs a hand to get back up again and a drug using teenager with three babies from three different fathers that never intends to work. Or for that matter, a group of hippy commune types (california welfare during the 70's was a huge factor in the hippy movement being successful).

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  17. Rob from the poor to protect the rich by Nitack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find this incredibly interesting the class warfare going on in Illinois. Video games are an item that falls into the discretionary spending category. You have extra money and you get the new game for your kid. The people who buy these games, at least for the most part, have the money to cover the necessities in life and then some. So in order to protect these reasonably well off people you are going to take money away from the downtrodden and underprivileged? "We need to protect all of these suburban kids from what they see in their video games. But where do we get the money for the fight? Oh, those poor kids don't need to eat this month..." God bless the yuppies