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Fan Fiction Writers Balk at FanLib.com

bill jackson writes "A couple of former Yahoo execs are trying to create the next MySpace by aggregating fanfiction on a website called FanLib. But the fanfic writers recognized that exploitation was written all over the idea and they've refused to participate. 'Instead of creating the Myspace of fanfic since the launch two weeks ago, FanLib.com sparked a white-hot Internet firestorm.The meltdown is a hard lesson in how not to conduct business on the Internet.But it's a firestorm of FanLib's own making because, in spite of the Yahoo pedigree (or maybe because of it), they plowed in like china shop bulls.'"

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  1. Oh fuck by Richard+McBeef · · Score: 5, Funny

    The fanfic crowd is riled up. Everyone take cover!

    1. Re:Oh fuck by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      I expect a torrent of slash fanfic featuring Yahoo executives shortly.

    2. Re:Oh fuck by Itanshi · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://kitesareevil.livejournal.com/257387.html?fo rmat=light
      http://www.my2centences.com/my2c_new/FanLib_info.p df

      That is what we fanfic writers are upset about. The PDF is evidence and proof of their corporate ulterior motives and the first link explains a lot of this better than the given link and the connection between my2centences and fanlib.

    3. Re:Oh fuck by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      They called the whole thing a "marketing service". They're not looking for writers. They're looking for, "OMG, you have to read my new Harry Potter story!" so that people talk about HP more and they can make more money. "Collaborative storytelling" is just a gimmick to try and get more people to join, and the "staying within the lines" comment is so that there's not a bunch of stories of Harry hooking up with Snape and Dumbledore.

      Trust me, stories written collaboratively by a bunch of novices are *not* getting on the air, anywhere. A story written by one novice is bad enough. Many different novices? Don't be silly. :)

      This concept is really a bit of daydream fantasy on the part of Kites Are Evil and other commenters that belies a complete misunderstanding of the publishing and screenwriting industries. These are ridiculously demand-driven industries. Supply is way, way, way too common. The vast majority of writers -- *good*, *established* writers -- make very little. Some book that you like, if it's not written by one of the "really big names", probably is written by an author who has second job that pays part of the bills. To find new writers, agents go through literally *thousands* of queries before they pick up a client, and even then, there's no guarantee that the agent will be able to sell the work.

      Nobody wants to publish garbage. Sadly, they have to turn down a darned lot of stuff that isn't garbage at all, simply because there's too much supply.

      When a famous/popular writer is overloaded, or wants to go on to other work, indeed, other writers will fill in for them. However, these are generally established writers. Oftentimes, they're written on contract. The publisher *approached them* with the idea.

      The whole notion that publishers want a bunch of garbage written by amateurs -- even worse, by a bunch of amateurs working together -- when the market is already flooded, and there are plenty of writers who would gladly sell out for extra cash... it's just silly.

      Anyways, keep writing your fanfic. :)

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  2. They tried to herd cats by sehlat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and got themselves clawed.

    I suspect an awful lot of the negative reaction comes from three factors:

    1. Membership in the site would certainly have a "We own your postings." clause in the Terms of Service.

    2. *And* a "We reserve the right to censor anything you post we don't like." clause.

    and the cherry on top:

    3. An unwritten consequence of (1) would be: "If it's really good, we'll use it to make money. Thanks suckers." clause.

    And just remember, in Hollywood, "Trust us." translates to "F**k you."

    1. Re:They tried to herd cats by pla · · Score: 5, Informative

      I suspect an awful lot of the negative reaction comes from three factors: 1. Membership in the site would certainly have a "We own your postings." clause in the Terms of Service.

      "At FanLib, we expect you to post the content you create ("Your Content") on the website. You keep any and all rights to Your Content. FanLib does not own any rights to Your Content."


      2. *And* a "We reserve the right to censor anything you post we don't like." clause.

      "FanLib encourages and supports active and open publication of fan fiction in a lawful and civil manner. We do not monitor the FanLib Website for inappropriate content or conduct"

      (The only "we reserve the right to remove..." they give as part of that applies to outright illegal content).


      3. An unwritten consequence of (1) would be: "If it's really good, we'll use it to make money. Thanks suckers." clause.

      "You authorize FanLib to make, reproduce, distribute, and display these summaries or descriptions on FanLib.com or through its services but not for any other purpose unrelated to FanLib.com. If you mark any of Your Content private, we will not promote and/or showcase Your Content."



      I consider myself about as anti-corporate as they come, but I really can't see the fuss over FanLib's TOS. It pretty much addresses every concern you raised.

    2. Re:They tried to herd cats by SkipRosebaugh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, that's the face they present to the writers.

      Check out the face they present to the publishers: http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/005131.html

  3. Don't know about quality by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Interesting
    But these are the numbers off the front page for quantity:
    1. Harry Potter (514)
    2. Stargate: SG-1 (159)
    3. CSI (153)
    4. Supernatural (153)
    5. Stargate: Atlantis (140)
    6. Star Wars (136)
    7. Buffy: The Vampire Slayer (135)
    8. Battlestar Galactica: 2003 (115)
    9. X-Men: The Movie (107)
    10. Original Fandom (103)
    11. Thunderbirds (94)
    12. West Wing (92)
    13. Lord of the Rings (86)
    14. Gilmore Girls (85)
    15. Star Trek: Enterprise (84)
    16. Pirates of the Caribbean (76)
    17. X-Men: Evolution (62)
    18. Sailor Moon (61)
    19. Friends (60)
    20. Naruto (53)

    2500+ odd stories in 2 weeks certainly makes one wonder if some of the fanfictioners didn't get the memo that they were supposed to be ticked.

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  4. It was a dark and stormy afternoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ScuttleMonkey was manning the Slashdot queue. "Fan Fiction Writers Balk at FanLib.com" suddenly appeared amid a sea of more interesting stories, but ScuttleMonkey knew this was his next frontpager. He always knew, even before he was an editor. Minutes before the story was set to go live, CmdrTaco saw it and ran, if you can call it that, down the hallway. "STOP!" he screamed. "This is a terrible story! You must remove it." ScuttleMonkey pulled out a knife, stabbing Taco in the heart before he had a chance to react. "Remove that, Taco!" cried ScuttleMonkey as he watched the story go live.

  5. Re:LJ by minkowski · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the most comprehensive and informative link I've seen on that. And Boingboing picked the story up this morning. I heard from a friend in a fanfic community there that they were deleting journals just because the keywords "rape" or "incest" were used in the interests field. So the journals of some rape victims and incest survivors were suddenly terminated.

    I don't know why slashdot hasn't picked it up. This place is so slow. Digg and Reddit already have stories about it which are getting voted up and should be on the front page by this evening

  6. We haven't heard from everyone... by Chairboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quite frankly, I won't form an opinion until we've heard an official response from the most influential contingent in fan-fiction:

    Furries.

    Without their unique insight into subjects like "Kirk romances a full sized Gadget from Chip n' Dale's Rescue Rangers" or "What would happen if the crew of the NX-01 were anthropomorphic animals and there's maybe a crossover with the X-Men why not?", we would have no way of knowing what we did and didn't like about the various trek series, and, by extension, an online repository of stories.

    So count me out until the "Commander Troi as a sexy lemur" crowd weighs in, THEN I'll know what to think.

  7. Re:LJ by Knara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because slashdot isn't well known for "breaking" news. It's an aggregator of news that has already been published and sourced. Moreso the better, if you ask me, since we don't have to deal with Digg/Reddit's "get it first and vote for me!" culture.

  8. Getting One's Dose of Internet Fiction by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Informative
    When I want my dose of Internet fiction, the stuff that's fun to read yet what publishers won't touch, I go to the following:

    Stories OnLine
    The Pendorwright Projects
    usenet:assm

    And none of this is lining any corporation's pockets off the sweat of the authors.

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  9. Re:How is this "exploiting" exactly? by Scutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You apparently missed the part of the brochure they sent as marketing. The part that says "Managed and Moderated to the Max" or the part that says "Full monitoring and management of submissions" or perhaps even that part that says "Completed work is just 1st draft to be polished by the pros".

    In other words, fans take something they love, write extensions to it for their own not-for-profit amusement, hand it to FanLib, and proceed to get completely exploited. Oh, but in return they'll maybe get a free t-shirt or something. No thanks. Clearly, they have no concept of what fanfic is and are completely out of touch with writers in general.

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  10. Re:LJ by mdwh2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    See here.

    And not just fanfic communities, I've seen adult/fetish communities also suspended, and support sites for survivors of abuse may be at risk (since they list keywords such as "incest" or "rape"...).

    LiveJournal has yet to make a statement, but I find the quote from Six Apart's CEO given in the article rather worrying:

    "Our decision here was not based on pure legal issues. It was based on what community we want to build and what we think is appropriate within that community and what's not."

    Righto, so Six Apart are saying it doesn't matter if it's entirely legal, they're going to start banning journals based on what they think is "appropriate".

  11. This is why I don't have a journal... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...on a website I don't control.

    Invariably, when a site gets popular, it attracts the attention of people who would like to ruin your shit. Things like this happen.

    Don't rely on third parties if you have speech you want to protect.

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