GNU Coughs Up Emacs 22 After Six Year Wait

lisah writes "After keeping users waiting for nearly six years, Emacs 22 has been released and includes a bunch of updates and some new modes as well. In addition to support for GTK+ and a graphical interface to the GNU Debugger, 'this release includes build support for Linux on AMD64, S/390, and Tensilica Xtensa machines, FreeBSD/Alpha, Cygwin, Mac OS X, and Mac OS 9 with Carbon support. The Leim package is now part of GNU Emacs, so users will be able to get input support for Chinese, Tibetan, Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, and other languages without downloading a separate package. New translations of the Emacs tutorial are also available in Brasilian Portuguese, Bulgarian, simplified and traditional Chinese, Italian, French, and Russian.'"

Comments

Nobody Cares.

[Anonymous Coward]

Nobody cares. We're all using VI now.

Re:Nobody Cares.

[joe_bruin]

Great, where can I download a boot disk?

Re:Nobody Cares.

[Anonymous Coward]

May God bless and keep you, Emacs,
May you stay at twenty two,
May you always do for coders
what Eclipse will never do.
May you build our trees in c-mode
Until the terminal bell has rung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

May your hands always be busy,
May your keys always be swift,
May you have a strong foundation
With control, escape and shift.
May your macros' lisp be joyful,
May contributors be far flung,
May you stay forever young,
Forever young, forever young,
May you stay forever young.

Re:Nobody Cares.

[Anonymous Coward]

$ export PARENT=moron

Coughs up?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, that certainly explains things...

Feature Rich

[king-manic]

Did they finally add the "write my code for me" command? It seems to be one of the few things emacs hasn't implemented. I suppose a "materialize a 5'4 asian Girl Friend" command would be useful too. I think we should push for that in the next revision.

Re:Feature Rich

[Mattintosh]

I suppose a "materialize a 5'4 asian Girl Friend" command would be useful too. I think we should push for that in the next revision.

Once that's implemented, the whole vi vs. Emacs thing is over.

Hot asian girlfriend FTW!

Re:Feature Rich

[larry bagina]

the hot asian girlfriend writes your code, silly.

Re:Feature Rich

[Anonymous Coward]

if you have something in there that can kill a truck driver with a big, bad ass mullet and attitude to match, I'd also be much obliged.

My friend, there's only one thing with a bad ass mullet and attitude to match that is capable of killing a truck driver. What you need is called "Chuck Norris mode".

Re:Feature Rich

[BobNET]

I believe the intent is that the Hot Asian Girlfriend will write the code for the EMACS user. Unfortunately for said EMACS user, she uses Vi...

Re:Feature Rich

[Pharmboy]

So we could be talking about a chunky girl with mosquito bites, and a mouth full of crooked teeth, a strict no-sex-before-marriage policy, and a really foul attitude...

But she would be open source, so you could change those features.

Re:Feature Rich

[king-manic]

Wait a minute, the specs didn't call for her to be hot... It just said 5'4" and Asian...

So we could be talking about a chunky girl with mosquito bites, and a mouth full of crooked teeth, a strict no-sex-before-marriage policy, and a really foul attitude... Like the kind that would be all screaming at you in Cantonese every night, unless you cater to her every whim, as uttered in broken, thickly-accented English - and then if you give her the boot she sneaks back into your place and steals or destroys all your stuff...

See? SEE? Now do you understand why it's important to clearly and thoroughly define the requirements of your software before coding begins?

I prefer my personal impelmentation of "5'4 Asian Girl Friend v10.0". It's a great improvement over "5'3 blonde German Girl friend v9.5" who was actually an upgrade on "5'5 filipina stripper Girl Friend v6.9". I still fondly remember the one I started with "5'1 half filipina half chinese Girl friend v.5.0" however that implementation was not as asthetically pleaseing as the other three and came with "waiting for marriage" DRM but was more stable then two of the other three.

The current one ("5'4 Asian Girl Friend v10.0") is both stable, DRM free, include the "hot" feature and "sane" feature which some of the previous versions lacked. I was thinking of trying make the "threesome" feature but I might be pushing my luck :D

But does it run on linux?

[Tumbarumba]

Or even better, does it run linux?

Re:NEW - DNF mode!

[__aaclcg7560]

Yeah. You enter /DNF and your code gets converted into spaghetti code that will take years to untangle. That's why you need good backups. Alas, the Emacs team didn't maintain good backups and the code got hosed when this command was tested. That's why it took six years. ;)

Y'know...

[Colin Smith]

Some day it's going to achieve sentience... Don't say I didn't warn you.

Re:Y'know...

[cybereal]

Based on the way it is blindly worshipped, I would have to guess it long ago passed sentience and arose to the level of Deity.

So EMACS really is like an operating system...

[Junior J. Junior III]

And it takes about as long for GNU to release a new version as it takes Microsoft to release Vista.

But who shed more features before going gold?

Obligatory flamebait

[Alioth]

Does it still (E)ventually (M)alloc (A)ll (C)ore (S)torage?

Or is it just now Eight Hundred Megs And Constantly Swapping? :-)

Re:Obligatory flamebait

[Anonymous Coward]

Or is it just now Eight Hundred Megs And Constantly Swapping? :-) No, that's the Canadian version.

Re:Obligatory flamebait

[Rakshasa Taisab]

So we can now call emacs for "Eight Megabyes And Ceased Swapping"?

I love the headline

[nizo]

As a long time vi user I can say this is the best thing that has been coughed up since the hairball my cat expelled last week.

On the upside, matching our carpet to the color of the catfood has turned out to be a brilliant strategy so far.

Re:I love the headline

[nizo]

...this is the best thing that has been coughed up since the hairball my cat expelled last week....

So I take it whoever modded me as flamebait thinks this isn't the best thing that has been coughed up since the hairball incident? Will the persecution of emacs never end?????

Re:Cue the vi versus emacs flamewars

[plams]

Don't compare apples to.. operating systems.

Number One

[MulluskO]

So easy to use, no wonder it's number one!

Ok, but does it include...

[frinkillo]

...a good editor?

/me ducks

For those of you....,

[Chineseyes]

For those of you who have been holding your breath you may now exhale.

ln -s vi emacs

[rossz]

'nuff said

Terrific OS ... an editor in this release?

[Anonymous Coward]

As a non-flaming vi user, I just want to say what a terrific OS Emacs is and only hope they include an editor in this release for good measure!

Re:Needing

[drinkypoo]

The only thing more abusive than throwing someone into vi without explaining modality first would be to throw them into vi that had a message to tell you to press (whatever) for help, and popped up eliza when you did so. "How do I quit?" "How does it make you feel that how do I quit?"

Re:Don't forget

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't you mean don't end up like Debian stable?

brokeback editor

[gimpimp]

i wish i could :q! you!

Re:brokeback editor

[CrimsonScythe]

Well, I'm wary of any editor that takes the commands through the colon. Add on a Brokeback reference, and my homometer is going haywire!

I kid, I kid... I personally use both Emacs and Vim

.

Using Emacs to edit a text file is like...

[toadlife]

...using a front-end loader to put out the cat.

OMG, what next??

[mobby_6kl]

This must be the third horseman. Let's just hope the unimaginable doesn't happen, and GNU doesn't puke out Hurd. That would mean the end of us all.

I don't know who's a fault...

[rthille]

But I _still_ can't get GRUB to load it...I _still_ have to use this useless 'linux thingy' to invoke it!

Won't someone please help me with replacing my Symbolics machine?

Re:Cue the vi versus emacs flamewars

[BobNET]

Hell, even The Beatles use Vi...

He didn't say "hot"

[SanityInAnarchy]

Emacs asian girlfriend will cook, clean, balance your checkbook, do your taxes, and never, ever complain... but she weighs 300 lbs.

Vi asian girlfriend just stands there looking pretty, but if you thought you were going to get anything done, you're sadly mistaken. It'll take you a week to figure out how to get that dress off...

Vim asian girlfriend will do anything you ask, as soon as you learn the language. Fortunately, most of us know words like "Bukakke" already, and it doesn't take much.

Re:He didn't say "hot"

[dstar]

MS Word asian girlfriend is actually nouveau riche white trash with tens of thousands of dollars worth of cosmetic surgery, but she's already done the entire city and she's got a collection of diseases that would make the CDC jealous.

Re:He didn't say "hot"

[revengebomber]

MS Word asian girlfriend is actually nouveau riche white trash with tens of thousands of dollars worth of cosmetic surgery, but she's already done the entire city and she's got a collection of diseases that would make the CDC jealous. Brittany Spears?

Re:Cue the vi versus emacs flamewars

[eln]

Vimacs is an affront to God...using it may very well bring about the Apocalypse. It's like what would happen if God came down to hang out with you for a while and you stole his wallet or coveted his ass or something: bad things are going to happen.

Re:Don't forget

[marcosdumay]

Yep... And Debian has just released another stable, just a bit more than a year after the last one... And the new emacs is released... What is up with all those things?!?!?! Will we have perl6 and hurd released now?!?!?!

The world is a crazy place.

Re:Nobody Cares. - my experience

[alienmole]

PS: emacs users, pls dont kill me.. I have not YET switched and still visit emacs church. Vim user, you dont kill me either for I am your potential convert. Thanks!

Too late - to paraphrase Agent Smith, you're already dead. If you decide to switch, emacs users will kill you. If you don't decide to switch, vi users will kill you. One of your lives had a future, but for some reason, you opened your mouth and picked the one that does not. Goodbye, Mr. NovaSupreme.

Duke Nukem Forever?

[erroneus]

Is this any indication of when Duke Nukem Forever might be released?

Re:No kidding - someone help me learn emacs

[Anonymous Coward]

Emacs is big, but you can learn to edit files with it in a matter of minutes.

You've got to be joking. I'll admit, I can be clueless at times, but every single time over the past 15 years that I've tried Emacs I've ended up killing it from another terminal window because I can't even figure out how to exit the fucking program. I usually end up getting caught in some read-only help system and can't figure out how to get out of it because the help is most unhelpful. There seems to be some kind of menu system in the version I just tried, but I can't figure out how to get to the File, Edit, Options, Buffers, Tools, and Help using any key combination I try. Granted, it could be you simply can't use Emacs from a MacOS X terminal.app cleanly, but vi works just fine. I think I'll stick to vi.

Re:We were always using VI

[Mr. Underbridge]

Emacs 22 took six years, just to find anything Emacs 21 didn't already offer...

Sure. Now maybe that they're done with that, they'll finish Hurd.

The Website, RMSes Passport Portrait, Emacs ...

[Qbertino]

The Website, RMSes Passport Portrait, Emacs itself, ... just looking at it makes it appear beyond bizar. As if I had taken some extremely mind altering substance. I couldn't describe the experience to someone who hasn't had it himself.
Emacs may once have been an extremely powerfull tool and the best possible thing for a remote tty command line mainframe uplink some 25 years ago. I nearly started learning it back in 1996. But all this nowadays and with a stance that is way far out even by slashdot standards ... heavens crickey.
How about calling it quits? Donald Knuth stopped TeX when it was finished. And it actually still is a usable tool today. Then again, Donald Knuth is a normal, respected developer, not some strange fringe-dimension entity :-) .

Eight Megs Is Nothing Nowadays

[russotto]

So how many DVDs does this thing take up?

Ah, Emacs .....

[OneSmartFellow]

...the operating system disguised as an editor.

I love Emacs, it makes my code look clean !

Emacs, because life isn't complicated enough

Emacs is the only user application that I know of where I have to consult the documentation for the ability to shut it down.

You're so lucky

[ericferris]

My programming instructor said he had an evil boss at a government job who made him use Emacs.

You're lucky. *My* evil boss makes me edit Java and XML with Excel.

You shouldn't boot emacs right away

[ericferris]

I'd wait a bit before booting emacs. It is said that emacs is a very nice operating system, but it lacks a good editor.

Re:We were always using VI

[Javagator]

Now maybe that they're done with that, they'll finish Hurd.

If you have Emacs, you don't need Hurd.

Re:25 things to know before giving up...

[Anonymous Coward]

The hardest part is unlearning Emacs when, for whatever reason, you have to use another editor.

I've always thought it would be funny to make C-X S mean 'clear buffer and save' in Vi.

Re:Don't forget

[Svartormr]

...can Duke Nukem Forever be far behind...?

But vim has clippy

[Billly Gates]

Who can live without that!.

obligatory

[DeepHurtn!]

...but I hear it's still missing a text editor. :(

Re:We were always using VI

[Anonymous Coward]

I've learned enough vi to get some work done, but I've never tried emacs. Is this new version any easier to figure out? The first time I had a Linux box, a knowledgeable friend set up emacs for me, but I just couldn't get it before my frustration-limit kicked in.

Been there, done that. Realized it was a big joke to get me to memorize a completely non-nonsensical, non-intuitive lisp machine as an editor. Then the creators run around extolling their intelligence over others by mastering the cryptic thing. Reminds me of the joke where people paid to see a donkey with his ass where his head should be. Each entered after paying a quarter (its an old story) and found the donkey in its stall backwards. That was it. At that point, no one wanted to tell newcomers how dumb they'd been so none of them told the people left in line that it was a sham. That's what Emacs looks like.

I got stuck in a thunderstorm riding home from work on my bike and I'm too beat to read TFA. Is there any new reason for a Linux noob to take a second look at emacs?

Other than GNU's push to get rid of manpages and put all useful information in "info" format that uses the emacs navigation set, no, not at all.

vi-mode for Emacs, the code

[Per Abrahamsen]

> Well... it's got a vi mode.

Here is vi-mode for emacs (with apologies to Erik Naggum):


(defun vi-mode ()
    (interactive)
    (use-global-map (make-keymap))


Whatever you do, it will just beep annoyingly at you.

Re:Another keyboard shortcut

[ic4x0r]

especially if you're a rectangle.

Re:We were always using VI

[drew]

Emacs- a solution only PHP could drive you to!