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Censorship is Changing the Face of the Internet

Lucas123 writes "Amnesty International is warning that the Internet "could change beyond all recognition" because state-sponsored censorship has spread from a handful of countries to dozens of governments that apply mandated net filtering, and because companies such as Google, Microsoft and Yahoo have remained complicit, according to a BBC story. '"More and more governments are realising the utility of controlling what people see online and major internet companies, in an attempt to expand their markets, are colluding in these attempts,"' said Tim Hancock, Amnesty's campaign director."

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  1. Who's surprised here? by gerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Governments want control, businesses want money.

    There's nothing loving, forgiving or compassionate about a committee with a purpose.

    The only question is how to prevent them from killing our freedoms. Democracy hasn't seemed to work all that well lately, at least in a two party system.

    1. Re:Who's surprised here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thats because people insist that anyone but the government is free to trample their rights. How long did they think it would take before the government simply started contracting out the military and police and eavesdropping and...

    2. Re:Who's surprised here? by aj1 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Democracy hasn't seemed to work all that well lately, at least in a two party system.


      What country do you live in. Here in the USA we have a Republic.

    3. Re:Who's surprised here? by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A republic is not a democracy. A democracy is when the people rule. A republic is when officials are elected. If three random senators picked the next president, America would still be a republic, just not a democracy. IMHO, America isn't a true democracy, but a plutocratic republic. Do the people really choose a person to rule? No, they pick the rich guy they hate the least. Its not perfect, but its probably the closest thing we'll get to a real democracy.

    4. Re:Who's surprised here? by fafalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm surprised that more people here don't realize democracy isn't really that good a thing. Most people are uninformed, uneducated morons that should never be entrusted with any kind of direct, majority based control over policy. Most people form opinions of policy based on everything except logic, science and reason. That's why the US gov was set up the way it is; the problem is the people being elected to office are increasingly not being elected based on their intelligence, knowledge and trust that they will implement the best policy for the people, and instead being elected for pandering to peoples malformed prejudiced judgments on what policy should be. I see it as a continuation of the larger and more dangerous trend of intelligence no longer being valued. So as elected officials support what a simple majority of their constituents think the policies should be, the government will become more and more oppressive as the majority will supercedes the rights of minority groups. A perfect example is drug policy. The majority forms the opinion drugs=bad=ban, and only politicians who adhere to prohibition even have a shot at office; but all logic and science overwhelmingly shows prohibition maximizes harm to society while not at all accomplishing its goal of reducing use. Another example is stem cell policy. Most people on the right think stem cells=cloning=killing babies=wrong, a position which also has nothing to do with science or whats best for the progress of life saving therapies, and a Republican candidate has to agree or risk losing votes. Look for more issues to start being decided by the whim of the masses rather than what's best, science education/evolution is quickly stepping up to be another majority belief that electees must match to get votes.

    5. Re:Who's surprised here? by asninn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the lack of a popular uprising that affects the country is a sign of democracy, then even North Korea is a democracy. Don't get silly.

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    6. Re:Who's surprised here? by RichardDeVries · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Also by Churchill:

      The biggest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter.
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    7. Re:Who's surprised here? by profaneone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >> I'm surprised that more people here don't realize democracy isn't really that good a thing. Most people are uninformed, uneducated morons
      >> that should never be entrusted with any kind of direct, majority based control over policy.

      "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesom discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." - Thomas Jefferson 1820

  2. Re:OMG! They got slashdot!!!! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, there will be a business model and an arms race, supplying tunnels and proxies to work around matters.
    And the states that are censoring will have the truth used upon them in the suppository fashion.

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  3. Informed, hopefully by largesnike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope this turns out to be an informed debate. We have all watched this slow incursion. It is obviously in full swing in repressive socvieties such as China and Burma. But it seems that Government legislatos are also tempted the curb certain things. In Australia it is material that could be condidered "sedition" such as Islamist (as opposed to islamic) sites calling for an Australian Jihad. But always, underneath, we detect the temptation moving further into banning activist websites as "sedition".
    Unfortunately, many of these conferences get hijacked by the shrill calls of alarmists, who have more believe than knowledge, and emotion over thought.

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    1. Re:Informed, hopefully by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The stuff that gets REALLY censored is the animal abuse in slaughterhouses, the toxicity of water supplies by water plant companies, radioactive waste leaking into soil. This is the stuff that is much harder to come by, cause they cause so much controversy.

      Well it certainly doesn't seem to be censored from my computer. Search for any of those things on Google and you'll get a billion hits:
      • First link on Google to "slaughterhouse animal abuse" complete with nausiating pictures
      • You are a bit ambiguous with your toxicity of water thing, but I found many sites dedicated to improving water quality. There are even Dr. Strangelove-esqe wackos talking about fluoride conspiracies.
      • The very first result on Google when you search for "radioactive waste leaking into soil" is a PBS transcript from 1998. If there is censorship in the US on this issue, then they have done a terrible job by leaving it up for 9 years.
      I feel like I must have completely missed your point... what kind of internet censorship do we have in the US?
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  4. It's about control. by iplayfast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Corporations at one time tried to make money for their shareholders, then they began to realize that if they instead working on controlling the public, in what the public bought and thought, the money would come as a consequence.
    Governments have always worked on controlling the public, in what they thought and in some governments what they bought.

    The difference is that corporations and governments are now vying for positions in how to best control the public. If a corporation allows the government to control it, it can get access to the population and thereby have some influence. If the corporation doesn't allow the government to control it, it will ether be shut down or shut out.

    You can see this behavior in music, literature, web searches, museums, copyright, trademarks, patents and on and on and on.

    As far as the public is concerned, .....

    good luck

  5. more of the same by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More and more governments are realising the utility of controlling what people see online and major internet companies, in an attempt to expand their markets, are colluding in these attempts,"

    I don't think this is so much "changeing the face of the internet" as allowing the internet to grow into places where censorship has long been a part of life. The governments that are censoring are not comeing to any new realisations about controlling informantion, they are ust applying existing policies to a new medium. Any international companies that want to do business in those markets has a different set of rules there then they do in the US or UK. Internet based or not. This is not much different than when Nike started making shoes in China and there were outcries of the "inhuman sweatshops". It was crap pay by 1st world standards but a decent job in China at the time.
    Yes censorship sucks, but there is a long list of things that suck in most countries that censor heavily. Would a lack of international companies in the PRC make it a better place to live? I don't think so.

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  6. Beyond recognition? Compared to when? by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the Internet "could change beyond all recognition"

    Compared to, say, when those very same totalitarian-type countries didn't have internet access at all? Compared to only a few years ago when it didn't exist at all? And, will China's internet censoring actually change it, beyond all recognition, for me? Will this article or the summary change the meaning of hyperbole beyond all recognition? Places like China have been lacking free speech since before the internet existed, and they still lack it. That China was a little slow applying their cultural norm to this newer tool isn't very shocking. What's terrible is that censorship IS their cultural norm. Change that, and little things like internet filtering, or centralized political control, etc., change right along with it. This is a symptom, not the problem.

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  7. Re:Not in the United States... by dcollins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey! You must be that same guy who said back in 2000 that there would be a "huge outcry" if the electoral college went against the popular vote in the Presidential election (and the system would be immediately changed). Good to see you again, how's it going?

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  8. Internet is Part of a Tripod of Information by reporter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Reliable news is delivered through 3 dominant means: radio/television, Internet, and print media. Print media is most easily blocked by authoritarian governments like those in Russia, Singapore, and China. Arresting the distributors or (in the case of Russia) subjecting them to tax audits is easy.

    However, blocking the Internet is very difficult. Anyone -- even a person with no technical knowledge -- can use a proxy server to bypass the blockage. Just pick a proxy server that anonymizes the user. Then, enter the URL of the "dangerous" site like, say, CNN. The proxy server will fetch the content of the site.

    The only way for a brutal society like China to truly block the Internet is to sever the Chinese Internet from the rest of the global Internet.

    Also, blocking radio news is difficult since these days, almost anyone can buy a shortwave radio for under $50. A shortwave radio enables you to listen to Voice of America, Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe, etc.

    The above observations lead to the interesting conclusion that most Russian citizens can still access fair and balanced news by (1) accessing Western web sites like CNN and Fox News and (2) tuning into Voice of America and Radio Free Europe. Statistics indicate that about 20% of Russians have regular access to the Internet. The other 80% could easily buy a shortwave radio. I recommend a Panasonic one.

    The main problem in Russia is not government control of the Russian radio and television stations. The main problem is that most Russians genuinely support Putin and his authoritarian polices.

    Similar comments apply to mainland China. Most Chinese who study at American universities support the occupation and brutalization of Tibetans. The Chinese in the USA know the truth (from CNN, Fox News, etc.) but reject it. They prefer Chinese nationalism.

  9. Re:Says who? by Mattsson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But, when all the media in your country routinely use the word democracy in a way that contradicts the rule you're stating there, well, it's your rule that's mistaken, not the people who use the word in violation of it. This is just Linguistics 101. That might be true for the meaning of the word itself. But "Democracy" is a simply the word that is used to describe the concept of democracy. If you let your media or government propaganda change the meaning of the word "Democracy", you'd have to come up with a new word for that concept, since the concept itself wouldn't have changed.
    Otherwise, it will be rather confusing when trying to compare what you call a democracy with what the rest of the world calls a democracy.

    It would end up like the word "Football".
    A US-English speaking person and a International-English speaking person uses the same word for two different concepts.
    Since it doesn't have the same meaning in the US as in the rest of the world, they had to come up with the word "Soccer" to describe the international definition of "Football" and we had to come up with "American football" to describe their definition of "Football".
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  10. Democracy is an outdated concept by secondhand_Buddah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've often thought about how obselete democracy is. Every four years,we get to put a cross on a piece of paper for some bloke I've never met, to represent me. Why do we still use this archaic system of governance we call democracy? Computer technology is such a powerful enabling technology that could revolutionise governance. Many fields (e.g. Banking) have been totally revolutionised by computerisation. We could have the same revolutionisation within governance, by applying our collective intellectual capital to governing a country.

    What is possible today is a franchise based voting system based not on the old premis of land ownership, but on our participation in society. We could be rewarded for our qualifications, our age, our life experience, with voting points within our areas of expertise. We could continually vote within our fields of expertise on issues of governance, and be rewarded for this participation by having more voting points within our individual areas of expertise.

    Participatory Governance is a totally feasable option today, which would prevent the type of misuse of power the parent article is about.

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  11. Re:Depends on who you hear it from. by bentcd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, according to the BBC report, censorship is spreading. It is probably more accurate to say that the internet is spreading. And when it spreads to a state that censors all its information, of course they will also censor the internet.

    The only channels that will not be censored in such states are those that are too small or obscure to end up on the information departments' bulleted lists. Internet used to be one of these, but that time is fast coming to an end.
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