Touch Sensitive Paper With Built-In Speakers

The Bongo King writes "There have been several stories about digital paper discussed here on the site recently, but an offering from Swedish research scientists has a new twist. They have made a prototype billboard of interactive paper with built-in flat loudspeakers apparently also made of paper. 'Touch sensors are made using a fine pattern of conductive lines in which the current flow is altered when a hand touches it. Laptop computer touchpads use the same principle. Speakers are made by printing electromagnets out of conductive ink and stretching the paper over a cavity like a speaker cone behind the billboard. The electromagnets vibrate in response to a current, creating a sound.'"

Comments

With speakers...

[__aaclcg7560]

Can't wait for the day when I can write "/." and the paper screams, "Hey, dork, you spelled 'Slashdot' wrong."

Re:With speakers...

[bobo mahoney]

That paper would get tired trying to tell me all of my spelling mistakes - spellcheck for the pen and pencil set would be pretty cool though.

Re:With speakers...

[__aaclcg7560]

I don't think I want to go to a coffee house where an artist is having an argument with his paper over a drawing of the hot Goth chick serving coffee. Although it might interesting if the hot Goth chick's boyfriend shows up, and the paper tells him how ugly his girlfriend looks. I'm sure the artist would be changing papers in a hurry. :P

Re:With speakers...

[snickkers]

It looks like you're attempting to write a letter. Would you like to....

If I want a talking picture, I'll watch TV

[Anonymous Coward]

Now wake me up when they invent a talking pie.

Re:If I want a talking picture, I'll watch TV

[tepples]

Now wake me up when they invent a talking pie. What about a singing pi?

Oh god no

[cbuskirk]

5 years from now you will walk down the isle in a grocery store and every box will be animating and screaming buy me like the cereal box in Minority Report.

Re:Oh god no

[7Prime]

Actually, that's a really good idea. Never saw Minority Report. What could be better than video advertsing ON THE PACKAGING!

I work in advertising, I'll have to have a talk with my boss about this.

Re:Oh god no

[clarkkent09]

Ever walked down the toy section at wallmart (or was it toys'r'us, can't remember). There are toys in packaging with sensors that detect people walking by and set off the sales pitch when you get close enough. Its quite startling, not to mention annoying.

Re:Oh god no

[lawpoop]

Don't get your hopes up just yet; it's only sound.

Re:Oh god no

[GrievousMistake]

The employees must love them. I know how much they adore those exposed 'try me' buttons.

Re:Oh god no

[Obfuscant]

As an ex-employee of a pinball parlor, from the 80's, I can report that my absolute favorite pinball was Gorgar, whose lack of bilabial fricatives in it's early-gen speech generator had it endlessly calling "I'm Gorgar, eat me." Or perhaps it was deliberate?

That, and the golf game with the music that was just that much out of tune.

Re:Oh god no

[swillden]

Don't get your hopes up just yet; it's only sound.

Don't forget that new thin-film display technology from Sony. If it gets cheap enough...

Re:Oh god no

[Fordiman]

That's kinda a nightmare use for them.

On the other side of the futurist spectrum, I'm kinda looking forward to finding random fun easter eggs on my packaging.

Re:Oh god no

[Chatsubo]

Just imagine the porn magazines.... Of course, you wouldn't want the condom packs in the store to blurt out: "Hi John! Want the rough rider again like last time? Or can we reccomend something new? Glow-in-the-dark? Susan will love it." At which point, Jane leaves.

Re:Oh god no

[taff^2]

You work in advertising? Cool, I've got a great new advertising medium for you. You take all the advertising agencies worldwide and send them to the centre of the sun. From there your clients message can ride the solar winds to the furthest edges of the galaxy. Don't forget your sun-tan lotion though.

Re:Immagine...

[OverlordsShadow]

Touch in 'sensative' spots and they just might 'speak' to you.

Today

[i_liek_turtles]

Paper is now banned in schools, as the repeat playing of "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" caused much ruckus.

Origami

[Tribbin]

Making a tweeting bird that moves it's eyes and responds to you touching it and all from a single digital paper.

Noise pollution?

[Zironic]

I think we probably need new laws against noise pollution fast. I really don't look forward to billboards speaking to me.

Re:Noise pollution?

[Wicko]

They could do it already if they wanted, billboards aren't exactly designed to be space reducing, would be very easy to throw on a few speakers.. you wouldn't need this expensive paper to do it..

Re:Noise pollution?

[Cal Paterson]

I'm sure that before billboards were widely used, people thought of them and large and obnoxious, whereas humans became adjusted to them and filtered them out of their lives.

With time, perhaps sound will become the same?

Re:Noise pollution?

[Meski]

Argh. Sorry, but the answer to things you don't like is not more micromanagement laws.

Re:Noise pollution?

[bronney]

Don't worry, when the mass hate something enough that's shown publicly, it will be destroyed at around 3am at night. Now if you put protection around it, then it'll lose its use as a touch paper.

Re:Noise pollution?

[RealGrouchy]

I really don't look forward to billboards speaking to me.

Then again, that cute girl in the eyeglasses ad...

- RG>

Re:Noise pollution?

[owlstead]

I was in Portugal/Lisbon and they had these billboards already. Could not see the speaker, but it must have been behind the paper somewhere. Damn annoying, even if I could not hear what they were saying. It was something like 'ring' 'ring' and then a lady said you needed to go to some operator. God, if I would have lived in that city I would have demolished every billboard I could find. Then again, this is a country where they have someone shouting over the speakers during a soccer game on the top of their lungs. The *whole* game. So they are probably not that bothered about it.

oh god...the ads...the ADS!!

[Anonymous Coward]

once advertisers get a hold of this material, and they start showing up all over the place with irritating ads that scream at you, will either be the day I commence a campaign of BRUTAL city-wide vandalism, or I give up and move into the woods.

Re:oh god...the ads...the ADS!!

[El Yanqui]

The worst will be the new talking ads above the urinal. "Small pen is? Get a biggur thiker d1ck now!"

Re:oh god...the ads...the ADS!!

[pubwvj]

I already did move to the woods. No TV. No cable. No radio. No billboards. Few people. The internet's fine - surf with plugins and Java turned off and use an ad killer on the browser. Email program kills the spam. Life is good. Cheers -Walter Sugar Mountain Farm in the mountains of Vermont http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/ http://hollygraphicart.com/ http://nonais.org/

The next step

[Bimkins]

How do we make this work with porn magazines?

You know it's gonna happen...

Re:Incredible Opportunities

[crAckZ]

to bad they cant make it with a memory. your reading your book, you touch the bottom left and the words fade and the next page appears. you could have a whole book on one page. patent pending of course.

The Return of the Scroll

[StCredZero]

If you have to have a battery attached to the paper, you might as well make it cylindrical, so you can roll the e-paper up. (Folding will probably not be so friendly to it.)

The return of the scroll!

Enviromental

[king-manic]

If you thought over packaging was bad now. Imagine a cereal box with 1/4 of it reserve for the battery that powers the digital paper display and 1/4 reserved for the speaker. The remaining 1/2 will be food facimille made of phosoric acid, aspertame, Hydrogenated vegetable oil, and recycled newspaper print.

Re:Enviromental

[i_liek_turtles]

In other words, in the future we will get more food for the volume of the box.

Re:Enviromental

[timeOday]

Time Magazine just ran this interesting photo essay called "what people eat." One of the interesting things to notice is how much wasteful packaging we use compared to those who still eat mainly for nutrition. Which is not to say I'd like to live like a refugee, only that it's a shame quality food can't be packaged without all that expense and waste: "Only about 9 percent of the cost of a box of cereal is for the cereal -- the other 91 percent of the cost is for the package and advertising." Unfortunately we humans are suckers for outwards appearance.

Re:Enviromental

[swillden]

"Only about 9 percent of the cost of a box of cereal is for the cereal -- the other 91 percent of the cost is for the package and advertising."

That's why the generic cereal that comes in big bags is so much cheaper, usually 1/4 the price, or even less. Often, it's exactly the same stuff as in the small, brightly-colored boxes with the nationally-recognized brand names.

Re:Enviromental

[rowlingj]

No, Birds. Think of the birds! Birds sit on signs, crap on signs, nest on signs. Not any longer: Bird lands on sign. Sign detects small conductivity along top edge and blurts out annoying local species alarm call.
But why stop at birds? everywhere you put the sign in train stations, the rear / underside could be sensitive to (say) rats and might squark some ultrasonic move-along signal.

Re:Enviromental

[lessthan]

Sorry, this is totally OT, but your sig drives me crazy. Morons have to die sometime, but a stupid idea can last forever.

Re:Enviromental

[baKanale]

Oh, so the same as now, but with free batteries.

Re:Enviromental

[swillden]

Sorry, this is totally OT, but your sig drives me crazy. Morons have to die sometime, but a stupid idea can last forever.

My sig is sarcastic.

Re:Enviromental

[lessthan]

D'oh!

Re:Enviromental

[rts008]

*Max Smart: Agent 86*

"Ah yes, the old 'contents may settle' trick!"

Re:Enviromental

[Wooster_UK]

Well, the quarter for a battery can be removed by using wireless power (qv Slashdot, also today). So you'll just get radiated cereal, instead of over-packaged cereal.

Re:Enviromental

[sco08y]

One of the interesting things to notice is how much wasteful packaging [time.com] we use compared to those [time.com] who still eat mainly for nutrition.

The packaging acts to *prevent* waste from spoilage and damage.

And I had a long debate argument with a friend about the whole canard that "just 10% of the cost is for the food." To get from grain growing in a field to become a box of cereal in a convenience store, there are hundreds of people who added a little bit of value at each stage of production. They each take their cut, and that's what reflects the price on the sticker.

The next step . . .

[cashman73]

The RIAA is already planning their next major lawsuit against the paper industry,...

New meaning for vanity toilet paper

[whallify]

So a good novelty item might be disposable electronic talking paper. Maybe it can give feedback as it's being, um, used. "no, you missed a spot."

Re:Digital paper

[rez_rat]

You mean, kinda' like REAL paper??

And classified documents...

[Roadkills-R-Us]

...will scan your fingerprints, and if you aren't cleared for the document, the paper can start singing "you can't touch this!"

touchable talking e-ink

[Edward Kmett]

Now what we need is a way to get those conductive inks to work with something like eInk dynamically changable images where icons detect touch via conducted electricity, low cost sound coming from your 1-page rollup newspaper. Probably tricky to get the current to flow across e-ink pixels that way though. Though, even if you couldn't get the e-ink parts to be touch sensitive, little conductive UI panels in the corners for forward/back touch spots wouldn't suck. Now all thats needed is flexible paper-thin power sources and circuitry.

Electromagnetism? Why not piezos?

[Ungrounded Lightning]

Speakers are made by printing electromagnets out of conductive ink and stretching the paper over a cavity like a speaker cone behind the billboard. The electromagnets vibrate in response to a current, creating a sound.'"

Sounds like a lot of current and associated structure to get this to work.

Why not just use plastic piezoelectric benders? Then the paper will talk even when being held in free air.

(Or hasn't the patent on that expired yet?)

Re:Digital paper

[perral1]

Real paper is digital? Cool! I never knew that.

I wonder why Sony keeps trying to develop it, then, if it's already out?

Foldable

[Pym]

Think of the new realms origami could explore... :D

the downside

[rubycodez]

Those attending the demonstration of sound-making-paper technology reported 1. it indeed worked. 2. it sounded like rustling paper.

Interesting

[xhydra]

Skin mags should integrate this into the centerfold......so it moans when you touch ....... ENUF SAID !!!

Time to start building portable EMP generators

[hcdejong]

...to silence all the animated, noisy ads this invention will inevitably lead to.

The fourth type of paper

[taff^2]

Guy: grnngngngnnnhhhgghhgnnnrrrnrn! ahhhhhh!
Paper: You have traces of blood and 2.5 peanuts in your excrement.

Re:Electromagnetism? Why not piezos?

[foniksonik]

It's probably a lot cheaper to print what they're using now. As in this whole thing will be printed on a large format inkjet, probably on several sheets of paper to accommodate the cavity.... then the cavity will be die-cut out as is standard and constructed using a cheap wood/plastic/alluminum frame. Sounds pretty cool to me.

It's an innovative use of the new inkjet printing of circuits technique.

Your idea does hold merit though and we at Hallmark cards will be looking into it aggressively ;-p

Re:Electromagnetism? Why not piezos?

[Pseudonymous Howard]

Your idea does hold merit though and we at Hallmark cards will be looking into it aggressively ;-p

No skin off my patent portfolio. It's already been done decades back - and I'm not going to bother with trying to claim just combining it with electronic paper.

Re:Digital paper

[amRadioHed]

I don't know about you but I always interacted with paper using a digital interface.

Re:Electromagnetism? Why not piezos?

[Ungrounded Lightning]

Your idea does hold merit though and we at Hallmark cards will be looking into it aggressively ;-p

My previous post counts as "prior art". So I just open-sourced it.

Hallmark is welcome to use it - along with anybody else. B-)