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Wildlife Returning To Chernobyl

The wilderness is encroaching over abandoned towns in the Chernobyl exclusion zone. One of the elderly residents who refused to evacuate the contaminated area says packs of wolves have eaten two of her dogs, and wild boar trample through her cornfield. Scientist are divided as to whether or not the animals are flourishing in the highly radioactive environment: "Robert J. Baker of Texas Tech University says the mice and other rodents he has studied at Chernobyl since the early 1990s have shown remarkable tolerance for elevated radiation levels. But Timothy Mousseau of the University of South Carolina, a biologist who studies barn swallows at Chernobyl, says that while wild animals have settled in the area, they have struggled to build new populations."

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  1. Wild animals? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 5, Funny
    wild animals have settled in the area, they have struggled to build new populations

    It's hard to attract females when you have 2 beaks, 3 hooves and only 1 eye.

    1. Re:Wild animals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is /. breasts and a skirt will do.

    2. Re:Wild animals? by Trigun · · Score: 5, Funny

      And for the women of slashdot, those attributes listed in the GP would be a step up.

    3. Re:Wild animals? by corifornia · · Score: 5, Funny

      Interesting, the fat guy in the cubicle next to me meets that description...

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    4. Re:Wild animals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      >And for the women of slashdot, those attributes listed in the GP would be a step up.
      OMG! The idea of a swimsuit calendar "The Women of Slashdot" has just created a singularity of desire and confusion in my mind!

    5. Re:Wild animals? by russotto · · Score: 3, Funny

      Seeing how I've been composing a DnD book about undead sexuality

      Tsukiko, is that you????

  2. Ob by A.Chwunbee · · Score: 3, Funny

    I for on am welcomming our're new three-headed frog overloads!

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    1. Re:Ob by Mercano · · Score: 3, Funny

      All glory to the hypnotoad.

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  3. Case in point by packetmon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Packs of wolves have eaten two of her dogs, the 73-year-old says, and wild boar trample through her cornfield. And she says fox, rabbits and snakes infest the meadows near her tumbledown cottage. ... Then we have... Others say animals may be filtering into the zone, but they appear to suffer malformations and other ills.. Inference: She saw what she thought was a pack of wolves when in fact it was a three headed wolf.

  4. Isn't this really, really old? by ravenshrike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could've sworn there was an article on this in some magazine several years ago.

    1. Re:Isn't this really, really old? by El+Yanqui · · Score: 3, Funny

      I swear I read about this a few years ago too. I had hoped this time around that we were talking about animals with superpowers.

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    2. Re:Isn't this really, really old? by doombringerltx · · Score: 5, Funny
      FTFA:

      The return of wildlife to the region near the world's worst nuclear power accident, first reported more than a decade ago, is an apparent paradox that biologists are still trying to measure and understand. Its just checking back on it. Like those those VH1 "Where are they now?" shows. One looks at Vanilla Ice's career today, this looks at Chernobyl. Pretty similar disasters
  5. Great! by spungo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally a town I can look normal in!

  6. Returning only now? by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    No: it was full of wildlife for years now.

    And yes, the DNA of most animals in the area is pretty effed up, but surprisingly most of them appear healthy and reproduce normally. Only goes to show how much redundancy and resilience is built into the DNA / replicating mechanisms we use.

    Truth is, even with a sufficient number of a-bombs accross the world, we'll have a very hard time wijping all of humanity and wild life. Life's a tough mother f*cker, hard to destroy.

    1. Re:Returning only now? by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Noooo, God reached down his noodly appendage and made them healthy!

      You thought I was going to say something else, didn't you? ;)

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    2. Re:Returning only now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      ahh. You must be part of the white house.

    3. Re:Returning only now? by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      yes, one generation was screwed up with cancers and freaks but the next generations seem to have overcome that.

      Just like we overcame being children of the baby boomers. Neat.

    4. Re:Returning only now? by bcmm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you think such a weapon is not under development you are fooling yourself.
      Uh... Right. Several issues there.

      We can build something as extraordinarily powerful as a nuclear weapon because there is a lot of energy to be released from the fission of uranium or plutonium or whatever. This energy is stored in the bonds inside the unstable nuclei, and we just let it out. It was originally put in there when some exploding star made the uranium nuclei in question, long before the solar system was formed. We do not have to provide that energy.

      Thing is, there are not similar reserves of naturally-occurring antimatter to be mined, because... well, it's kind of obvious. The problem is this: current (and any sensible-sounding future) methods of antimatter production involve actually putting in at least the amount of energy you want to get out. That mass won't come out of nowhere you know. So while it's all fine to say that an antimatter weapon would be scary because a really really small one could knock the planet off course, I have to ask you where you you think we're gonna get that much energy from. Maybe from a nuclear power plant? The amount of uranium used is going to be the amount you'd need to make a normal nuke big enough to do the same job, isn't it (that is to say, more than could conceivably be acquired)?

      Also, what makes you think that the threat of total annihilation would bring peace? The threat of total annihilation is here already. Russia and the USA maintain far more weapons than they need to completely destroy the other, partly as protection against missiles being hit while still on the ground, etc. If all the world's weapons were to be detonated, it would likely destroy human life on the planet. If such a thing as a world-destroying antimatter bomb ever existed, people would do what the Soviet Union and the USA did with their nuclear arsenals: basically agree not to use them, and go on fighting with conventional weapons (yes, I know they didn't officially fight each other at any point, but USSR armed the Vietcong, US armed the Mujahideen, etc.).
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  7. Same as in Bikini by mangu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Bikini atoll was also evacuated of people and set off-limits to fishing after the nuclear weapons tests the US did there in the 1950s. Today Bikini has the most abundant wildlife in the Pacific.

    1. Re:Same as in Bikini by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In Florida Avon Park Bombing Range is also full of wildlife as is the Savannah River site in South Carolina.
      Bombing and radiation is better for wildlife than sub divisions.

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    2. Re:Same as in Bikini by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bombing and radiation is better for wildlife than sub divisions. At last a solution for California that we can all accept.
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    3. Re:Same as in Bikini by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Another point would be that even if radiation levels were such that a lethal cancer would be 50% likely after 30 years, it wouldn't really matter to 99% of wildlife.

      Mice and rodents generally have a lifespan measured in months, not years. A deer that makes it to adulthood has a maximum natural lifespan of around 15, if they make it to five they're doing good*. Large predators might live for a decade in the wild.

      Most of the time, the continued existance of their races are predicated on the females having large numbers of young.

      From my chernobyl research(done more than a decade ago), there has ALWAYS been a presense of plants and animals there. You have to remember, it was an actual small city, so in many cases large animal life was restricted to those that humans approved of. It takes time for concrete to crack and allow large trees such as are seen in the pictures to grow.

      Then we have Baker and Mousseau argueing. I'll note that it appears that Baker appeared to concentrate on mammals(specifically rodents) while Mousseau concentrated on birds. Could it simply be that birds are more affected by radiation? That they have a tendency to wander more into the highest contamination areas? The very article notes that they've been found nesting in the sarcophagus.

      While the article notes that a third of the nestlings showed abnormalities - I'd have to ask what the normal rate is. I'm aware that even normal barn swallow nestlings don't exactly have the highest survival rate.

      To answer the questions, I think that the best solution would be one of radio tagging. We know average survival rates and such for outside the zone. Tag some animals, such as birds and deer, then track their survival and migration habits.

      I think that we'd find that even if it's suboptimal, it's still a better area than many places activly occupied by humans.

      *Does tend to live longer than bucks, as the bucks take more chances.

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    4. Re:Same as in Bikini by rleibman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Most of the problems of the world can be traced to the fact that we have 6 billion humans instead of 1 billion humans. If there were only a billion of us, the world would be an abundant paradise.

      Are you volunteering to get off?

    5. Re:Same as in Bikini by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In a sense... yes.

      I bred at less than my replacement level. If everyone in the word were to follow that tendency, we would be able to half the population by roughly 2050 and half it again in the 20 years after that so by 2100 the population would be roughly 1.5 billion. The chinese made some of these extremely hard choices with regard to overbreeding and overpopulation and have benefited from doing so.

      The problem is that ignorant poor people and some religious people are going to breed us to the point where things are unpleasant all the time at the best or downright ugly and murderous at the worst.

      Overbreeding would be no problem if the overbreeders and their descendants were limited to a fixed plot of land. That way the descendants of people with sustainable breeding habits could live in a paradise while the overbreeders lived in hell on earth, died of starvation, and killed each other over precious water and living space.

      But no-- their descendants would feel they had a right to spread equally into everyone else's land. Thus spreading the consequences of their poor breeding choices.

      You can buy all the CFC's you want, conserve til you bleed, eat only grains (because meat is so inefficient) and eventually that will all be pointless unless a lot of humans die fast from something. Too many humans is the fundamental problem-- not global warming, not limited oil, not limited food, not limited water.

      If we do not address this fundamental problem- then everything else we do is similar to ignoring the huge hungry rampaging elephant in the room while we keep replacing the carpet and drapes.

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    6. Re:Same as in Bikini by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that the US isn't suffering from over population. That is what drives me nuts. There are places in Australia where rabbits are destroying the habitat because of massive over population. Killing off a few in Texas just isn't going to help. Killing hundreds or thousands in Texas isn't going to help. The Population of the US is pretty much flat and soon to be slightly declining once the Baby boomer's start to die off. In Europe and Japan you are seeing the same thing or a strong decline. That will do nothing to really help since the over population problem is other locations.
      I am all for people having only enough children that they can raise. I am all for adoption as well if you want a very large family. But this "I only had a replacement" thing is just posturing.

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    7. Re:Same as in Bikini by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bred at less than my replacement level. If everyone in the word were to follow that tendency...

      But they won't, and so all you accomplished is selecting yourself out of the gene pool.

      We have a ton of resources on the planet. Supporting more humans with the resources that we have is a reasonably easy problem technologically. Yes, we have a high population compared to what a species without agriculture (and modern agriculture) could do, but we have those things. The earth could handle a bunch more population, but the trends indicate that human population growth is slowing quickly enough that it won't be a real issue.

      The appropriate tactic here isn't to have less kids, it's to have as many kids as you think you can reasonably educate. The only way we'll be able to keep quality of life up as a species is to have as high a percentage of well educated people as possible - that way there will be people around to suggest and implement rational solutions to problems.

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    8. Re:Same as in Bikini by apt142 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fascinating thing about technologically advanced regions is that the reproductive rates are much lower than low tech areas. This is because in technologically advanced cultures children have a higher cost/benefit ratio than in lower techs. Lower techs need the children to tend the field, watch the sheep, etc. etc. Where as higher techs need to spend money to educate and groom their children into productive roles.

      I find this particularly neat in that the easiest deterent of overpopulation is perhaps technological proliferation.

  8. Movies by Lovedumplingx · · Score: 4, Funny

    If movies have taught me anything it's that this is the start of the downfall of man.

    In a few years we'll be herded into wooden pens by mounted apes and then experimented on.

    Oh the folly of it all!!!

  9. No mention of insects and arthropods by Danathar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's an interesting article, but it mainly talks only about mammals and occasionally vegetation. The effect of radiation on high reproduction insects would be far more interesting.

  10. Photos by suv4x4 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any photos of giant insects or ninja turtles? At least maybe a cross between a spider and a man?

    Damn. Radiation in real life is BORING.

  11. Lesser of the two evils by Slaimus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Given the choice of sharing the environment with humans or radiation, animals would much rather have the radiation.

  12. Why is this in HARDWARE? by greginnj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are these bionic AMD-64 running mutant radioactive wildlife critters, or something?

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  13. The news is old... by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But now there is an article about it on the internet, making it original, novel, and fit for Slashdot.

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  14. For anyone interested... by Known+Nutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...or looking for an intriguing read on a Friday morning, this young lady Elena describes her motorcycle ride to and through the so called Chernobyl "dead zone", with pictures. Interesting read.

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    1. Re:For anyone interested... by Slim+Backwater · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a good story, but only a story; she took a guided tour like anyone else entering the area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Filatova

    2. Re:For anyone interested... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was "faked" in that she lied about taking a motorcycle through the zone by herself. She just took the normal tour and had photos taken of her holding a helmet. Why? Who knows... I guess touring the zone isn't exciting enough by itself, you have to be on a motorcycle too.

    3. Re:For anyone interested... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's *very* important to remember that while her pictures are real, her story isn't. While she claims to have a nuclear scientist for a father, she actually gives a lot of erroneous information that can lead the reader to incorrect conclusions about the number of deaths, sequence of events, and actions taken during the accident.

      Sooo... for once read something for its pictures, not its articles. :P

  15. Hardware? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    O.K., we have a game story about odd moments in games filed under "Politics" instead of "Games" and an environmental story filed under "Hardware" instead of "Science". Methinks maybe some /. editors have been spending a bit too much time in Chernobyl themselves, and it's had a deleterious affect on their "1337 categorization skillz".

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  16. Darwin in Action by queenb**ch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They will either evolve to accomodate their new conditions or they will die. It will be interesting to see if we get new species evolving more rapidly there or if the existing populations just wither and die off. Frankly, I would suspect that most of the animals there have been driven out of habitat elsewhere. That's how Mother Nature works. The looser is always the one that migrates. I'm not complaining much because that's what drove apes out of the forest and on to the plains to become the first hominids.

    2 cents,

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  17. Anyway, they will adapt soon by iamacat · · Score: 3, Funny

    There are already bacteria living in active zones of nuclear reactors. Animals with fast reproductive cycle will likely adapt first, both because of faster evolution - especially in the face of accelerated mutations - and because they don't have to survive as long to produce offsprings. It's only a matter of decades before we catch 5 eared rabbits with ECC in their DNA in addition to RAID1 that we currently have.

  18. Both are probably true by logicnazi · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article seems to posit a false dichotomy between increased rates of cancer and deformity and a flourishing animal population. The usual mutation rate for most animals is pretty damn small. You could probably increase it 100 fold if not more and still maintain a large population of healthy breeding animals. Since animals, like humans, are naturally programed to prefer to breed with healthy members of their species there is no reason to think that the harmful mutations would 'take over' and cause the local animals to die out. Also just because more animals die of cancer doesn't mean they don't live long enough to successfully breed.

    I mean it should be a lot like inbreeding. Sure inbreeding increases the number of seriously fucked up members of the population significantly so you wouldn't want to do it with humans but it can also be used to help establish certain useful traits fairly quickly. The animals living in the Chernobyl area might have more deformed babies, and no doubt if they had to fairly compete with non-irradiated members of their kind they would be at a disadvantage, but the long term effect might just be to increase the rate at which they evolve.

    Of course you can't really decide this with a thought experiment but it is annoying that the article suggests increased deformity and cancer rates in individual animals is incompatible with overall health of the species/group.

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  19. Reproduction normal? by mdsolar · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article reports that one third of nestlings are malformed. What we have is a fairly natural cut: If the offspring is viable, it will end up being observed as behaving normally, it if is not then it won't be observed since it will be dead from, say, having the wrong shaped beak for its niche. It will be absent from counting surveys, making them biased. Most mutations are harmful so they do not survive. But, so long as less corrupted genetic material can migrate in, you'll get a superfical appearance of normalcy.

    The reason for preserving wilderness is to preserve biodiversity which is essential to maintaining a strong ecosystem. This accidental wilderness has many counts against it in that context.

    1. Re:Reproduction normal? by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But, so long as less corrupted genetic material can migrate in, you'll get a superfical appearance of normalcy.

      You know, if the animals live to leave offspring, it's not superficial appearance of normalcy, it's normalcy, never mind all the curruption going under.

      The purpose of an animal, is, after all, precisely this.

      As about 1/3 of offspring being malformed, this is far from bad for the wildlife. If 1/2 was, they'd do fine, hell, if 3/4 were, they'd do fine. Even if none of them had mutation, most of the animal offspring would die in infancy for plenty of other reasons (like natural predators).

    2. Re:Reproduction normal? by Artifakt · · Score: 3, Informative

      A higher mutation rate doesn't lead to an increased chance of a significant improvement in a species propagating. In sexual species in particular, a higher mutation rate will actually decrease the general evolution rates, either for a species to show a successful adaptation or for it to split off a new species. All the vast complexity of life we see around us results from the mechanisms of heredity developing newer and better ways of reducing copying errors. Even Nucleated cells themselves are an error reduction mechanism - put the genes in the middle behind extra barriers, so fewer chemicals can penetrate to affect the DNA. Sexual reproduction itself is another error reduction mechanism - combine copies from multiple sources and supress (many of) the defective ones. DNA itself won out over RNA as an encoding system because it had a much better copying error rate - and now only a few very primitive organisms remain that use RNA for encoding instead of just as a messenger molecule.
              This is part of the standard theory as taught in real genetics courses to potential professional Biologists. Just about everyone else who thinks they support evolution has been miss-taught in high school biology or 'evolutionary biology for non scientists' type classes. Nothing personal, but it sounds like you got one of those sloppy pop courses.

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    3. Re:Reproduction normal? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As about 1/3 of offspring being malformed, this is far from bad for the wildlife.
      This is observed malformation; there's no mention of internal examinations or spontaneous abortions or eggs that don't hatch. I live on the edge of a forest and I see about 100 birds a day; none of these is visibly malformed.

      The article says radiation levels are 10 to 100 times normal background. This range is probably beneficial for humans and most other animals. Living there probably isn't bad from the standpoint of background radiation; but I wouldn't want to eat food grown there or live in a house without a dust filter.

      Things are getting better there faster than predicted, and if careful study is done we'll have more data for the theory of hormesis with respect to radiation.

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  20. Nature can adapt to sub divsions as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The long established sub division I live in PA is starting to see some flirtations with top predators like bears. I hear some mountain lions may also be on the prowl.

    Our Delaware River that been an industrial wasteland is starting to see some interesting fish migrations again.

    Eliminating the poisons and raw sewage of our industrial past is clearly part of the solution, but there is more suburban sprawl here than ever and nature seems to adapt just fine.

    When subdivisions have been around as long as rain forests, I suspect we might see new levels of adaptation and speciation. Nature can adapt.

  21. Not only old... by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    but also misleading.

    Scientist are divided as to whether or not the animals are flourishing in the highly radioactive environment It is not highly radio-active, it has elevated levels of radiation. In fact, it might actually have a more healthy amount of radiation than non-contaminated areas, as there appears to be a positive link between health and slightly elevated levels of radiation. See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article68 5386.ece and http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller12.html for instance.
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  22. Re:Insect by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thus the joke about the cockroach being the next master of earth in case the A,H and other 1 letter bomb start to fall ?

    The F-bomb?

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  23. Oblig. Eddie Izzard by sakasune · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Anything! Anything with a pulse! Or NOT! Pulse OPTIONAL!"
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  24. Shorter Generations by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Informative

    One must remember the shorter length of reproductive generations that many wild animals have.

    For those who have yearly reproduction cycles, we are looking at 21 years, twenty generations for evolution to take place. Those with shorter cycles, such as mice and rats, etc. They probably have evolved enough protection through 50 or more generations that life for them is not so much of an issue.

    Creatures with longer cycles, such as humans, would probably have a hard time adapting via evolution. The positive note hear is the relative short half life, but it is still a problem for future generations.

    There is a study that indicates that low levels of radiation can have positive effects on health. Not that I would recommend moving to Chernobyl any time soon.

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    1. Re:Shorter Generations by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention that, to humans, the ability to maintain and grow populations isn't all we care about. If one agreed with that, they might find Haiti to be a role model :)

      If a pair of animals can give birth to twenty young and two make it to breeding age to do the same, the population is holding steady with that 1 in 10 survival rate. For humans in the first world, that would be seen as atrocious.

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  25. Re:We could wipe out life. by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Funny

    As another poster commented, without fresh DNA coming into the area, the local wildlife would not be as successful. Destroy all the ecosystems of the entire world, add a little nuclear winter and we will have created the worst extinction event the world has ever seen.

    I think, however, that this epic tragedy will be offset from all the people who'll gain superpowers as a result.

  26. Re:This is fantastic by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow, now you're saying that being a soldier is riskier than being a US civilian? Man, stop it, you are really blowing my mind here. Someone had better mod you insiteful, uh, insightful.

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