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Can Statistics Predict the Outcome of a War?

StatisticallyDeadGuy writes "A University of Georgia scientist has developed a statistical system that can, she claims, predict the outcome of wars with an accuracy of 80 percent. Her approach, applied retrospectively, says the US chance of victory in the first Gulf War was 93%, while the poor Soviets only had a 7% chance in Afghanistan (if only they'd known; failure maybe triggered the collapse of the USSR). As for the current Iraq conflict: the US started off with a 70% chance of a successful regime change, which was duly achieved — but extending the mission past this to support a weak government has dropped the probability of ultimate success to 26%. Full elaboration of the forecasting methodology is laid out in a new paper (subscription required — link goes to the abstract). Some details can be gleaned from her 2006 draft (PDF)."

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  1. 0% by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's 0% if you play "Global Thermonuclear War". The only winning strategy is not to play.

    Sounds like fun. Let's test this theory =)

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    1. Re:0% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's 0% if you play "Global Thermonuclear War". The only winning strategy is not to play.

      Bah! What is so bad about living in mines? With nuclear reactors and the appropriate male to female ratio we can reach our current Gross National Product in say 20 years. The only thing you need to worry about is whether your enemies have stashed a nuke in one of their mines to use on you when the world becomes habitable again.

    2. Re:0% by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Funny

      It would not be difficult. Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plant life. Animals could be bred and slaughtered.

      A quick survey would have to be made of all the suitable minesites in the country, but I shouldn't be surprised if several hundred thousand of our people could be accomodated.

      Every nation would undoubtedly follow suit.

    3. Re:0% by EuroMike · · Score: 3, Funny

      ....how about a nice game of chess? :)

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    4. Re:0% by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Funny

      A special committee would have to be appointed to study and recommend the criteria to be employed, but off-hand, I should say that in addition to the factors of youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills, it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included, to impart the required principles of leadership and tradition.

    5. Re:0% by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time and little to do. With the proper breeding techniques, and starting with a ratio of, say, ten women to each man, I should estimate the progeny of the original group of 200,000 would emerge a hundred years later as well over a hundred million. Naturally the group would have to continually engage in enlarging the original living space.

      I hasten to add that since each man will be required to perform prodigious service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics, which will have to be of a highly stimulating order.

    6. Re:0% by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well yes but to be fair I am a wheelchair bound maniac whose left arm betrays disturbing nazi tendencies.

    7. Re:0% by jae471 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What about the mine shaft gap?

    8. Re:0% by myth24601 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "When the roman empire collapsed it took Europe 1000+yrs to relearn plumbing"

      They are still trying to relearn Dentistry.

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    9. Re:0% by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well yes but to be fair I am a wheelchair bound maniac whose left arm betrays disturbing nazi tendencies. And your right hand's tendencies can at best be described as onanistic.
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  2. Statistics, Schmatistics by Xero_One · · Score: 5, Funny

    Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

    1. Re:Statistics, Schmatistics by buswolley · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post - for support rather than for illumination.

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  3. Project Management by JonathanR · · Score: 5, Funny

    As in all projects, when you let the scope blow out, then the costs blow out proportionately. In Operation Iraqi Freedom, the initial scope was to topple Saddam Hussein. Scope then changed to include installation of democracy.

    Nobody wrote up a scope change request, let alone getting it signed off...

  4. Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's nothing! I can predict the outcome of a war with 100% accuracy when applied retrospectively.

  5. Thermonuclear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ...as opposed to Cryonuclear?

  6. Re:If i'm reading this correctly by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whatever dude. I'd like to date a woman like this. We could argue about Prussian foreign policy in the 19th Century, then fuck like mink, then maybe write some code. Then argue about US Foreign policy, then watch some documentary on strategic bombing where I'd play devil's advocate to conventional wisdom, then argue a bit more and have great make up sex.

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  7. It so happens, by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Funny

    That 74% of war historians think that 26% of war historians have less than 10% of a clue clue about more than 90% of what they are talking about, when it comes to statistics. This assessment of course is subject to adjustment depending on perceived public opinion and verified by use of the retrospectoscope.

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  8. Re:If i'm reading this correctly by hazem · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to write a post here arguing about establishing a Reference Behavior Pattern, determining relationships and causality, and the difference between verifying and validating models...

    But I like your way of thinking better...

  9. Re:Future Wars by Guerilla*+Napalm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, with her model hindsight is only 16/20.

  10. Can Statistics Predict the Outcome of a War? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes they can; but only 50% of the time.

  11. Of course I didn't come courting empty handed by BillGatesLoveChild · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, Condi Rice called and wants your phone number.

    1. Re:Of course I didn't come courting empty handed by Darby · · Score: 2, Funny


      Dude! I would so hit that. And then argue that the current push to democratise the Middle East is naive and the US should avoid direct conflict but try to trigger a Sunni/Shiite split analogous to the Sino/Soviet one. And then hit that again. Fuck yeah.


      Oh good lord, please tell me by "hit that" in this context you mean "punch repeatedly with my fist" and not that other thing. Yuck, the only analogous split I can think of is the one where her front teeth are supposed to be.

  12. Re:the mule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, just an ass.