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Pirate Bay Launches Uncensored Image Hosting

Spamicles writes "The guys over at the Pirate Bay have launched a new, censorship-free image hosting website called BayImg. Users of the new service don't have to sign-up in order to upload images. However, they can assign a 'removal code' to uploaded images, in case they want to delete the files after a while, and tags to categorize images. BayImg currently supports 100+ file formats, and supports uploading Zip and Rar archives. The maximum file size of uploads is 100MB. The article also discusses TPB's plans for launching a video streaming service that will potentially compete with YouTube."

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  1. Bob Goatse must be thrilled by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 5, Funny

    To be immortalized thusly..

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  2. well... by wpegden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are going to like them a whole lot less if this turns into a big child porn site.

    1. Re:well... by swingkid · · Score: 5, Informative

      But since you can't just browse the images, the only people who would see the child porn are child porn enthusiasts, and the feds who investigate them. So it's unlikely that you'd hear about it, unless you were into that stuff. In which case, ew, you perv...

    2. Re:well... by cromar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's sad that the harbors of Freedom are sent underground like this. I would rather be able to see the filth of society clearly than have it skulk by unnoticed, whatever the forum.

    3. Re:well... by Liselle · · Score: 4, Informative
      From the damned front page of the site:

      bayimg.com is a place where you can host all your images. We do not censor them. We believe in freedom of speech, it's of utter importance to us. As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here, but we reserve the right to remove images due to technical reasons though.
      Did I miss the memo where child porn became legal in Sweden?
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    4. Re:well... by swingkid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It seems they have tagging for images, so I guess I'm wrong about browsing. My bad.

    5. Re:well... by Amouth · · Score: 4, Informative

      no but they do state right at the front page

      "As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here"

      so sence child porn is illigal it will be taken down if noticed

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    6. Re:well... by Goaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, so by "uncensored" they meant "just about as censored as always"?

      Well, I guess they might survive a little longer, then.

    7. Re:well... by computational+super · · Score: 4, Insightful
      As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here

      Isn't that, er, the definition of censorship? Censorship = Banned by such-and-such government, ergo illegal? By this logic, over-the-air radio and television is "censorship free", even in China, since they're broadcasting anything they want as long as it's legal.

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    8. Re:well... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Depends.

      In England 17 is legal. The legal age varies a lot. In some countries it is higher- in some countries it is lower.

      The model's apparent age varies a lot too. How can you trust what looks like a 14 year old isn't really an under developed or made up 18 year old?

      And it just needs to be enough to get them into court so they have to spend money defending themselves. Heck, in some cases you can arrest them and force them to post bail and can hold them for months if they can't post bail.

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    9. Re:well... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would rather be able to see the filth of society clearly

      Take a nice, hard look. (You'll want the "Random" board. Totally NSFW.)

      As far as I can tell, 7chan seems to be made up of people who got banned from 4chan, which in itself is remarkable, since 4chan's moderation is...minimal...at best.

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    10. Re:well... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did I miss the memo where child porn became legal in Sweden?

      I know nothing about Swedish law, but it's entirely possible that they define both "child" and "pornography" differently than in the U.S., creating a space where something is legal if it's on a Swedish webserver, but not if it's in one in the U.S. (Actually, I think there are a number of respected, non-pornographic films that contain nudity that fall into this area.)

      Anyway, if they want to avoid getting constantly raided by the local gendarmes, they should probably create some sort of "Foreigner's Guide to Swedish Obscenity Law" so that people can at least have a shot at knowing what's illegal before they upload it.

      In particular, aside from pornography which is the obvious one, I wonder about extreme animal cruelty (there is some downright disgusting stuff out there, and to be honest I find it more offensive than most of the run-of-the-mill CP). I kinda hope the Swedes make that illegal, since I think its presence does encourage its creation -- some dickhead sees another dickhead gain some sort of minor notoriety online by setting a kitten on fire and decides to emulate them. Since animals are more easily available and even more vulnerable than children, and the disincentives against hurting them are less, it doesn't take much.

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    11. Re:well... by AdmiralWeirdbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Restricting images for legality is different than censoship in the common parlance. censored for appropriateness of content, or type of image, or anything else that the various previously existing hosting site censor for is an invasive filtering that goes a level above simply saying, "hey please dont upload anything illegal." And given what the pirate bay does, i think we can safely assume that they're concerned less with the minutae of libelous or offensive images than not going to jail as part of a kiddie-porn ring.
      saying "we're going to censor your images so we dont go to jail" is totally ok in a way that saying "we're going to censor your images for things we dont like" is not.

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    12. Re:well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In England 17 is legal.

      actually its 16

    13. Re:well... by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes but that kinda defeats the point.

      As another poster mentioned would this mean much if "The Chinese Pirate Bay" opened it's "uncensored" and couldn't show a picture of the Taiwanese flag?

      Or if "The Iranian Pirate Bay" opened the "uncensored" site that couldn't show a boob?

      Uncensored generally means unrestricted. If you're doing it as a way of promoting freedom from an oppressive government, then saying "We're only gonna leave uncensored what the government will let us." doesn't really do much. I could have done that without the help of a new and nifty website.

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    14. Re:well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By "uncensored", they mean "we don't care if it's copyrighted by someone else", of course. It's The Pirate Bay, not hard to figure this one out.

    15. Re:well... by illegalcortex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just curious, but is it legal for photography/video? And is it legal for downloading said materials of people that age?

      Because even in states in the US where it's legal for two underage people to have sex, it's usually not legal for them to make photographs/video and distribute them.

      Too lazy to try to google the answer. And kind of scared of what results I might get...

    16. Re:well... by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Informative

      Grandparent: In England 17 is legal.

      Parent: actually its 16

      It depends what you're talking about; the age of consent in England *is* 16, but I believe that to appear in adult material you have to be at least 18. (I remember hearing that apparently Samantha Fox - a 1980s "page 3" star- was 16 when she did her first shoots, and they commented that this would not be legal nowadays. Note that page three is topless, and no more).

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    17. Re:well... by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 2, Funny

      no, it's not legal. Also, if the model LOOKS under 18 and the image is distributed/created with the intention of it looking that way, that's probably illegal too. Purely digitally generated 'child porn' is illegal. As is modifying adult porn to make it look like child porn.

      Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to attend to my appearance, gotta look my best for all those cameras...

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    18. Re:well... by N1ck0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You may view entires by tags by going to http://www.bayimg.com/tag/

    19. Re:well... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a difference between having an unpopular opinion and expressions that are meant to do other things - like yelling fire in a crowded theater, deceptive marketing, committing fraud, death threats, handing over classified information to foreign nations and so on. Those have clear and direct links to causing other people harm.

      Let's argue the other way around, that child pornography was protected speech but clearly child molestation would not be. What just happened? Well, you just put a lot more money into a system since people could pay without fear and secrecy, which would almost certainly trickle down to the actual producers through some back channels. While it probably happens today as well, it'd be a lot worse which is to me a clear and direct link to causing other people harm.

      Of course, you can stretch that argument into absurdity "omg, my kids are emotionally scarred for life because they saw Janet Jackson's tit for half a second during the Superbowl" but ignore all the "moral" damage and look to real concrete harm and I think you've got a pretty clear line on where free speech should certainly stop. Beyond that line it's infringing on other people's rights.

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    20. Re:well... by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong, in the US at least.

      (They were able to get another bill passed, but it contains that oft-seen "lacks serious scientific, literary, artistic, or political value" clause that fortunately renders the law very hard to enforce.)

    21. Re:well... by AdmiralWeirdbeard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Making images illegal is censorship in any parlance. In this case, society by and large has decided that the damage done by child porn is a greater harm than the damage done by the censorship of it.
      No its not censorship in any parlance. First definition in the dictionary? Obviously. But in general, in my experience, censorship has an implicitly negative connotation and is used primarily to refer to those restrictions of speech or other expression(s) that society has not deemed to be more damaging than would be caused by restricting them. I hardly see how restricting the posting of kiddie-porn or snuff-pics runs justifies the "OMG that's still teh 3vil cens0rship!!!1!" response from /. get some perspective.
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    22. Re:well... by coaxial · · Score: 4, Interesting

      [Ed. Note. For full effect, you should imagine this being read by the always helpful June Thomas]

      Actually the age criteria for nude photography is a bit more complicated than a simple inequality. You can photograph anyone regardless of age (assuming of course you have his/her and/or his/her parrent/guardian's informed consent), as long as it's not in a "sexually explicit or lude and lascivious manner." This why you can have pictures of naked babies, children's genetalia in medical or sex-ed books, even in art. If the photographs or video are in sexual manner, then you have to 18.

      How do you know where to draw the line when prosecuting child porn cases? In practice you don't have to define the exactly where the line is. A video of a grown man ejaculating on a nude 5 year old's face is pretty good indication, of that video being on the wrong side of the law. Same for a photo of 10 year old spreading her labia for the camera.

      So how do investigators know that the individidual in the photograph or video is a real person that is under 18 years of age at the time of recording? Easy. The FBI and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have an incredibly large collection of child porn. Like all porn, child porn is shared widely and has a very long life time. Investigators look for previously identified bonafied child porn, and prosecute on those instances. New suspected child porn is identified by medical doctors, who examine the material an give an expert opinion of whether the individual is underage. (Yes, they also maintain a database of false positives.)

      When it comes to possession, posession is illegal. While it may be a dubious comfort, the US Attorney probably won't prosecute you for each individual photo or video in your 100 GB pr0n collection, but rather for just a two or three photos or videos. I say it's dubious, because you'll still be going to jail for a long long time.

      And before anyone gets the wrong idea. I recently served on a federal grand jury. The Assistant US Attorney explained the law to us.

      In an unrelated case, he ran a DEA video explaining -- in detail -- three methods used to manufacture methamphetamines. Yes. You could take notes. ;)

    23. Re:well... by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I read a news story a couple of months back, about a teenaged couple in FL that were convicted on child porn charges b/c of a home video they made of themselves. They were 16 and 17 at the time, if memory serves correctly. So, the law of the land in the US is still 18 to make porn.

    24. Re:well... by fractoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh for crying out loud. A black and white, side on, nude photo. It looks more arthouse than anything else, and it's certainly not porn.

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    25. Re:well... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everything in Texas is bigger! Even our mistakes.

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    26. Re:well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nudity isn't porn.

      I'm guessing you're an american.

    27. Re:well... by ultranova · · Score: 2, Funny

      You'll want the "Random" board. Totally NSFW.

      Actually, you'll want the "Guro" board. But a word of warning: it's not pretty.

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    28. Re:well... by Giloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did you actually read my question? You MUST be new here ;)
  3. Wonder what country it's in? by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't see this thing both:
    1) Holding true to the principles of no censorship whatsoever.
    2) Not being immediately shut down when some troll posts necro-pedo-beastility images as part of some SA vs. Fark vs. 4chan contest to find the most simultaneously illegal and offense image to post.

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    1. Re:Wonder what country it's in? by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looks like its hosted in Sweden and the domain is registered to a Swedish address via a German registrar.

  4. oh, cool by superwiz · · Score: 2, Funny

    more free porn

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  5. I'm yearning for the video service from them by vivaoporto · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just to upload this video.

    Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free .. You are a Pirate!!!!

  6. Re:I wish I could like this... by OS24Ever · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah I had a semi-grudging respect for what they were trying to do at first, and then I saw that. I still think they're going bass ackwards about it though. They take the fight to make a created work free. One thing I do not get about this whole thing is their version of making it free is take someones hard work, and let anyone who wants it get it without collecting any monetary reward for the person who did the work.

    This image site can do the same thing (ignoring the pedo stuff). Someone could go to the store, buy a Playboy Mag, scan in every image and post it to the site and everyone else could download the pics for free if they new the URL and of they go. So all the money playboy paid the model, the photography crew, the editors, the printers, poof.

    Contrary to some of the internet ho's out there who like their pictures posted for free some people like monetary compensation for their investment/grace of good luck genes and deserve to be rewarded for it. How is supporting hosting of their images for no monetary fee 'free speech'

    If they were hosting Neo-Nazi's, Black Panther, Anti-semtic, Islamic Jihadist stuff, sure ok that's free speech. But taking someones work and providing it for free? That's what copyright was intended for and it's not free speech, it's theft of services or whatever is the new legal mumbo jumbo for saying stealing money from someone who worked to earn it.

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  7. Easy by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Publish the date, time and ip address of every upload. No censorship.

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    1. Re:Easy by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just posted that they should actually try to go out of their way to make sure they're not logging such information, in order to protect their users. No anonymity means many people will still engage in self-censorship, not publishing something for fear of the consequences it could entail. But from a liability standpoint, your idea is probably better. Considering the existence of things like Tor, open proxies and the like, anyone who isn't absolutely clueless could still use the service and be relatively safe from being surveilled.

  8. The Pirate Bay Vs Google Motto Battle next? by Seiruu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Do Be Evil" vs "Don't Be Evil"

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  10. Re:Image files 100MB? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 3, Funny
    From the bayimg site:

    Max file upload size is 100MB. If you're crazy and upload that much, then you should consider getting friends.

    Hmmm, perhaps they know more about their target demographics that it might seem at first...
  11. ranking system by superwiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Without some ranking system. At least as good as diggit, it will just become a trash land. It has no search mechanism, no ranking of content. No categorizing of content other than by unsearchable tags. As it stands, it is a little more than the beginning of another attempt at usenet.... except even less organized.

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  12. Re:I wish I could like this... by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The point is that they don't judge what it the content is. The fact that people use The Pirate Bay to post child porn instead of blank panther stuff is a measure of how awful society has become, not a measure of TBP's intentions.

  13. Re:it's not if, but when by sqrt(2) · · Score: 2, Funny

    This just in! There's child porn on the internets! Shut 'em down boys, all of them!

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  14. Losing their way? by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Piratebay keep acting like they are untouchable and the guardians of censorship, but it just seems they are trying to push the boundaries until thy get caught.

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    1. Re:Losing their way? by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Piratebay are trying to be the guardians while acting like anarchists. They will do more harm than good.

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  15. TOR by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Publish the date, time and ip address of every upload. No censorship.

    Post it via TOR or some anonymizer. Unless they ban all IP associated with such tools (which even sites under dedicated troll assault like 4chan can't do), that's no guarantee for the hardcore.

    Still, it's an idea that I find amusing for deterring the casual bad actor.

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  16. Re:I wish I could like this... by Disfnord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, in other words, people should be free to say what ever they like, as long as you agree with it. Brilliant.

  17. What about pirated software? by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since they allow archives on the site, are people going to use this to upload and share warez? Or does the system scan uploaded archives and rejects non-images based on content?

    BTW, I visited the site about 10 hours ago, and the tag cloud was full of injected JavaScript - it was pretty much benign (only a couple of alert functions), but funny nevertheless, and seems like the whole thing was put together very quickly. They've fixed the problem now.

    1. Re:What about pirated software? by merreborn · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since they allow archives on the site, are people going to use this to upload and share warez? Or does the system scan uploaded archives and rejects non-images based on content?


      If you dig around in the tags for a bit, it becomes pretty clear that they extract the images from any compressed archives, and then throw the archive away. That is to say, you can upload an archive, and the images in it will be made available for download. The archive itself is never made available for download.
  18. Re:Image files 100MB? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Image files with 100MB? Seriously? That seems quite large, even for packing some images in one archive.

    But quite handy for steganography, which is probably what this is really for.

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  19. Re:I wish I could like this... by vivaoporto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Someone could go to the store, buy a Playboy Mag, scan in every image and post it to the site and everyone else could download the pics for free if they new the URL and of they go. So all the money playboy paid the model, the photography crew, the editors, the printers, poof. (...) How is supporting hosting of their images for no monetary fee 'free speech'
    That is a nice Straw Man you have there. You are confusing availability of technological resource with intention. Libraries have photocopiers and, nowadays, CD burners. Anyone can enter, scan a copyrighted book, copy a copyrighted CD or DVD, whatever they want. Do that implies that the library is supporting copyright infringement?

    The same stands for barely the entire Internet. Copyrighted text never flow so fast around multiple sources, most of the times, without the explicit consent of the copyright owner. Everytime someone posts the entire content of an article here on Slashdot for our commodity (lazy slashdotters don't like to RTFA), it is copyright infringement too. That doesn't mean that Slashdot is supporting copyright infringement either.

    The world has changed, and the availability of tools should not and will not be restricted just because some people will misuse those tools.
  20. Re:I wish I could like this... by Otter · · Score: 3, Funny
    Yeah I had a semi-grudging respect for what they were trying to do...One thing I do not get about this whole thing is their version of making it free is take someones hard work, and let anyone who wants it get it without collecting any monetary reward for the person who did the work.

    I don't understand your confusion -- catering to a bunch of greedy, selfish leeches *is* what they're trying to do.

  21. Re:I wish I could like this... by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're going to have freedom of expression, you're going to have things you don't like. Even things you really don't like, and things even 99% of the people out there don't like, too. And the fact that you don't think it needs a venue, because you obviously disagree with it, is exactly why it does need a venue.

    Also, that article there isn't about TBP hosting a child pornography site, it's about them hosting a "pro-pedophile activism" site -- in other words, a site expressing political and social viewpoints. Are you saying such people and their viewpoints should be censored?

  22. Trolls vs the World by blueZhift · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems to me that once again the question comes down to whether or not the freedoms of the many are going to be ripped away because of the misbehavior of a few trolls. There have always been people who abuse the system and cause grief wherever they go just because it is fun for them to aggravate people/authority/whatever. Does that mean that all of the rest of us have to live in chains? I think not. Humanity needs to learn that in order to have freedom, sometimes we have to allow people to do bad things and clean up the mess afterwards. There is no freedom to do good without also having the freedom to do evil. If we can't accept that, then we'd might as well give up all of this lip service to freedom and lock the handcuffs right now.

  23. I don't get it by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Could someone please indulge me as to why there is such a dire focus on child pornography? It's a horrible crime, certainly, but I've never see the same status associated with other, and in my mind, just as horrible acts such as snuff films, brutal rape, torture, etc. Is this simply another act of 'think of the children' knee-jerking, or is there some reason why this is seen to be counted as worse than torture and murder by a large part of our population?

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    1. Re:I don't get it by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Could someone please indulge me as to why there is such a dire focus on child pornography?

      When people have children something hormonal happens to their brains that makes them lose all perspective when children are involved. Think of how irrational your parents were? I remember one time when my younger brother got a ride home and didn't call. He was less than an hour late, and my dad made me drive around with him looking for my brothers body in ditches at the side of the road.

      It's the Helena Lovejoy effect. Saying "think of the children" makes people revert to emotional thinking and makes them easier to manipulate. So it follows that if you're trying to grab power, appealing to the safety of children will make people fall in line.

      Personally it works the other way on me. Any proposal put forth "for the children", I automatically assume is bullshit. After all, if it had real merit they wouldn't need to manipulate us into going along with it. If someone involved in neuropsychology is looking for a good thesis, pinpointing exactly what is causing this effect would be wonderful.

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    2. Re:I don't get it by computational+super · · Score: 2

      What's interesting is that I seem to recall this being fairly controversial in the late 70's/early 80's (although I was pretty young back then) whereas, now, mainstream popular opinion seems to have the law having been carved in stone by God and handed down to Moses. It looks to me like more evidence that people are essentially programmable - if you drum into their heads hard enough that "X is evil and X must be destroyed" (while simultaneously silencing all opposition - that's the key), then about 90% of them will internalize it and figure it was their idea to begin with.

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    3. Re:I don't get it by managementboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe a generation issue, my Father disappeared when he was 14 with his cousin who was 16 for several months as they where riding bike around northern Germany. He got in trouble when he got back, not for disappearing without saying anything, but for having skipped helping out at home.

      Times change, peoples problems change.

  24. Re:As Legitimate as PirateBay...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Child porn is about the only thing I can think about right now.


    Admitting it is the first step... now go get yourself some psychiatric help.
  25. Re:I wish I could like this... by saleenS281 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about I take pictures of me in the act of murdering them and post those instead? Right next to it I'll post pictures of my candid camera I have hidden in your bathroom to boot. Privacy shmivacy, your every move should be open for everyone to see at all times!

  26. Re:TPB Are Theives by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I am siding with my morals here, TPB is legal, but wrong.

    That's funny, I'm siding with my morals here too. Free copying is illegal, but moral. Scarcity is a great evil, if it can be abolished it must.

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  28. Re:harbors of freedom, my a... by cromar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It isn't skulking about unnoticed and it doesn't deserve another forum No, it doesn't. But is easier, not harder, to find and prosecute these individuals when they are out in the open.

  29. Woot! Online backups! by dannycim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) Backup to file.
    2) Encrypt file.
    3) Inject data stream into lossless image format.
    4) Upload image.
    5) Retrieve anywhere.

  30. Illegal stock tips by drx · · Score: 4, Interesting
  31. Re:I wish I could like this... by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...thereby creating a demand [for child pornography] and ANOTHER reason for the previous people to exist, as if their mental issues weren't enough...

    Ah, yes! Social engineering by trying to limit supply. Remember when we tried that with drugs, and now there are no more drug addicts out there? Yeah, it'll be just like that.

  32. To Quote Milton by klenwell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Only because I have so few opportunities to quote Milton on /. and the parent comment brought him to mind:

    I cannot praise a fugitive and cloistered virtue, unexercised and unbreathed, that never sallies out and sees her adversary but slinks out of the race, where that immortal garland is to be run for, not without dust and heat. Assuredly we bring not innocence into the world, we bring impurity much rather; that which purifies us is trial, and trial is by what is contrary. That virtue therefore which is but a youngling in the contemplation of evil, and knows not the utmost that vice promises to her followers, and rejects it, is but a blank virtue, not a pure; her whiteness is but an excremental whiteness.

    John Milton, Areopagitica: A speech for the liberty of unlicensed printing to the parliament of England

    Of course, he recommends Spenser, not child porn, for the contemplation of evil.

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  33. Re:TPB Are Theives by jimicus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Scarcity is a great evil, if it can be abolished it must.

    OK, let me run a thought experiment by you.

    Let us imagine, for the sake of argument, that I invent a cheap 3-dimensional copying device which produces perfect copies of anything placed in it. Even down to the material used to produce the copy, its strength and its colour. This device can be made and sold cheaply enough to market it to the general public, and it's not really possible to spot the difference between the copies are originals.

    Note that it doesn't allow you to create an object from scratch (so it's a bit different to computer software in that respect, and thus the ability for individuals to innovate with it is substantially curtailed). Considering the economy as a whole (including the number of people currently employed in manufacturing), Is it a good or a bad thing?

  34. Re:TPB Are Theives by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean replicators? That would be fantastic. No one would ever have to work again.

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  35. Re:TPB Are Theives by lachlan76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would be the best thing ever. Nothing non-perishable would need to be made from scratch more than once, no more resources would need to be depleted, manufacturing and construction would be much, much, much more efficient (who needs an expensive cement mixer when you can just make 1 litre of it and continuously replicate it), and farming would be far, far, far more efficient (grow a hundred plants, put them into a hundred replicators, and you can have as much food as you want).

  36. Re:TPB Are Theives by moore.dustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nobody would also want to make anything new ever again. The advancement of technologies would come to a halt. That is what he is trying to say. You are dodging the real issue here and you know it.

    With something like this your essentially eliminate the market economy and thus production will cease to exist. People would have little incentive to want to make anything new or improved because they would make no money off of it. They would have lost their job and live in an economy with no money or spare capitol to mess around with.

    Answering like you did is juvenile and you know it. I could say that people would replicate huge bombs and kill everyone too. That is not what he is trying to say. He communicated his point just fine to me, why are you so reluctant to see it? Because you know he is right.

  37. Legal == permission from copyright holder? by zigamorph · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here"

    To be perfectly legal you have to have permisson from copyright holders. If you have a quick look around the site it seems improbable that this is the case for most of the pictures.

  38. Re:TPB Are Theives by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't the point of advancement to make our lives easier? If we just fill that time with more work it becomes a rat race, a tread mill. I don't want to live in that kind of world. The dream is 100% unemployment, 100% leisure time. If we can enjoy good food and drink and family and have a roof over our heads at no cost to anyone, why would we need a job? If people want to engage in productive behavior, and I'm certain most would as it's in our nature, that's wonderful. But eliminating scarcity would free us from the tyrrany of having to work merely to survive.

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  39. pseudo child porn is legal in America by SethJohnson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also, if the model LOOKS under 18 and the image is distributed/created with the intention of it looking that way, that's probably illegal too.

    In America, this is legal. In the UK, it's not.

    The Child Pornography Protection Act was passed in 1996 in America which banned any image that "is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." In Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, the Supreme Court struck down the law. The justices wrote: In particular, it prohibits the visual depiction of teenagers engaged in sexual activity, a "fact of modern society and has been a theme in art and literature throughout the ages."

    Seth

  40. Re:TPB Are Theives by moore.dustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I cannot believe that garbage gets modded up. My dream is nothing close to 100% unemployment, that is disgusting. The world we would live in with your dream realized is my biggest nightmare.

    The point of advancement is to answer questions. The more questions we answer, the easier life gets for sure, but you continue the quest to answer questions. We should never be content with where we are as a people. We should strive to advance our species forever and always. Contentment breeds complacence. Complacence gets us nowhere.

  41. Huh? by Greego · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nobody would also want to make anything new ever again. The advancement of technologies would come to a halt. That is what he is trying to say. You are dodging the real issue here and you know it.

    Why wouldn't anything new be made? Why would the ease of the duplication of all items duplication influence negatively on the desire to invent any one new item? Profiteering isn't the only reason to make something new, some people just like to invent stuff. Look at Linux.

    With something like this your essentially eliminate the market economy and thus production will cease to exist. People would have little incentive to want to make anything new or improved because they would make no money off of it. They would have lost their job and live in an economy with no money or spare capitol to mess around with.

    Why do they need spare capital anymore if everything is free to duplicate? Removing the profiteering perspective would actually encourage quality and pride in invention over marketability. Again, look at Linux.

    Answering like you did is juvenile and you know it. I could say that people would replicate huge bombs and kill everyone too. That is not what he is trying to say. He communicated his point just fine to me, why are you so reluctant to see it? Because you know he is right.

    I can't see how the GP is being childish; he's just not coming to the conclusion that you want him to come to.

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    1. Re:Huh? by jimicus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, the point of my post wasn't to make you think a particular idea at all.

      What I'm trying to do is encourage you to consider the possible implications of what the device could do.

      Most of the replies so far have been fairly shallow - along the lines of "it would be great - nobody would ever need to work again" - well, that's as maybe, but whether you like it or not we live in a society based on capitalism. You think the likes of Ford or General Motors would take the invention of such a device lying down?

      How about drug dealers? I can't see them being too impressed at the thought of their customers never having to buy anything from them ever again.

      What about terrorist groups? Now, I'm not trying to push the "terrorists OMG think of our safety!" button, but there's no denying that a machine which, given a small quantity of weapons and explosives, can quickly and easily turn it into a large quantity of weapons and explosives would be most attractive to people of such a mind.

      How about governments? Most of what they do is concerned with moving money in various directions - if you can literally make your own money, that system is completely broken.

      What about healthcare? The healthcare system of every western nation depends on there being a group of people who know how to fix injuries and treat illnesses, and someone being prepared to pay them. If the economy's collapsed, you'll probably find there are suddenly a lot fewer doctors and nurses.