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Deathbed Confession Says Aliens Were at Roswell
xnuandax writes "The army's explanation of weather balloons in the Roswell, New Mexico incident 60 years ago has been dealt a serious public relations blow. Late Army Lt. Walter Haut had signed a sealed affidavit prior to his death last year asserting that he had witnessed the wreckage of an egg-shaped craft and its extraterrestrial crew while working at the Roswell Army Air Field. An article at News.com.au reviews how Haut had worked as public relations officer for the Roswell base and was involved in the original weather balloon explanation of events at the time. This recent evidence would seem to confirm speculation that egg-shaped saucers are notoriously difficult to fly safely at low altitude."
He was the founder of the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, NM. I think that makes it necessary to take his death bed statement with a grain of salt.
Hate to break it to you, but birds have four limbs and often deploy all four to establish balance. You may think wings are only for flight, but birds use them for many things including maintaining balance while repositioning in trees, regaining balance on the ground while in windy conditions, etc..
I am not agreeing with the GP, but as a birdwatcher I can tell you that they use their wings regularly to maintain balance.
Animals that stand erect with only two dominant limbs (weight bearing) almost either have stabilizer limbs like wings or balancing limbs like significantly sized tails.
Regards.
> Just because he made a sworn affidavit does not mean that the man really saw something.
> As scientists have demonstrated, this might easily be something he created and believed himself.
Yup. re: Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, U. Wash. She's the most sought after expert on real- and false-memory creation. Bottom line, all memory is reconstruction, not retrieval. It's never perfectly accurate (vivid =! accurate) and so even when "correct" is only at least good enough, not "true". People can be made to "recall" a lot of stuff, by others, thesmelves or context/situations.
I was pointing more at what people will or will not believe about what the guy said, not what he "remembered".
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
Ok, I'll play your silly game if you just want to throw the truth out because you don't like it. It wuz aliens. Seriously, as an ex Gulf War I crew chief on A-10s there is little doubt in my mind that they are flares dropped from A-10s. That is *exactly* what flares look like from a great distance that are dropped from an A-10. The kind of flares I am talking about are not roadside flares but they are much much bigger and brighter and descend on parachutes. They are used to light up a battle field and they do a mighty fine job of it. I saw show on television where they superimposed actual video footage of the lights over a daylight shot of the mountain range from the exact same perspective that the video was shot from. The "lights" disappeared one by one on the video at the same point they would have dropped below the peak of the mountain (the flares were dropped on the other side of the mountain). Really, the glove fit perfectly.
If you don't believe me here is some more:j an/m26-005.shtml
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2007/
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4041
He also swore an affidavit in 1993. It is very similar: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Haut.html. These seem to be things he believed. I recall when Stanton Friedman http://www.stantonfriedman.com/ stayed as a guest at my home when I was a kid. He'd worked with my father, also a nuclear physicist, before and came to give a lecture on UFOs. He also believed what he was saying. I think you need to look for explanations that do not rely on impuning motive in some of these cases.
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I'm not one to want to leave behind the delicious contemplation of the Fermi Paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox, so I wait for stronger evidence, but there are many sincere people who are quite sure they've experienced something that can only be explained in this way: http://www.disclosureproject.org/.
I think Carl Jung took an interesting stab and an alternative explanation in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Saucers-C-G-Jung/dp/
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We are "humanoid" because it's an efficient shape to have.
Not exactly. Our shape has proven to have greater survival value than the shape of our ancestors. That doesn't mean that it's optimal, or even particularly good.
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why the affadavit, which has been "released", is not printed in any of the articles?
How often have you seen a source document in a news article? Almost never. The audience tunes out; you lose readership. It's a waste of column space.
Someone posted the affidavit text on digg:
2002 SEALED AFFIDAVIT OF WALTER G. HAUT
DATE: December 26, 2002
WITNESS: Chris Xxxxxx
NOTARY: Beverlee Morgan
(1) My name is Walter G. Haut
(2) I was born on June 2, 1922
(3) My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203
(4) I am retired.
(5) In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.
(6) I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.
(7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.
(8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m. Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance. The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris.
(9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.
(10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.
(11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out."
(12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
Actually travelling can be much faster than radio. Special relativity limits communication between fixed parties to the speed of light, because it limits observed travel to the speed of light. Contrary to popular opinion, it does not limit subject travel to any speed whatsoever. While the traveller will never "technically" see his destination approaching with a velocity faster than the speed of light, he will see the distance to is destination relativistically contracting as his speed increases.
Therefore, in a space craft that could accelerate and 1g for half the trip, then decelerate at 1 g for half the trip, Special Relativity predicts you would reach the center of the galaxy in 20 years, covering a distance of (from earth perspective) 30 thousand light years. From earth perspective, our max speed was 0.999999999 c and it took us hundreds of thousands of years to get there. Our perceived speed at any instant was never any faster, but because of the changing length contraction, at journey's end, our perceived distance travelled over time was 1500*c.
These are the lengths of time it would take to travel to the following places using the 1g acceleration/deceleration method. (From http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/
4.3 ly nearest star ==> 3.6 years
27 ly Vega ==> 6.6 years
30,000 ly Center of our galaxy ==> 20 years
2,000,000 ly Andromeda galaxy ==> 28 years
n ly ==> 1.94 arccosh (n/1.94 + 1) years
As an added bonus, if you made the trip to Andromeda, you'd get observe 2 million years of galaxy evolution over your 28 year trip.
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Not remotely related? They're both descended from the jawed fish that was the prototype for infraphylum Gnathostomata in subphylum Vertebra in phylum Chordata, an ancestor that provided both with the same basic structure (skull, jaw, spinal column, pairs of limbs) and over 80% common DNA.
I would agree though that the number of recon shootdowns by the Soviets doesn't actually mean anything. The Soviets really didn't need to do much aerial reconnaissance. Once they got a man into the U.S. (or Canada - the border is unfenced and unguarded), he could do a much more thorough job collecting intel just by driving around with a camera while "on vacation." That wasn't the case for the U.S. The U.S.S.R.'s closed and restrictive society left aerial reconnaissance as one of the only means of gathering intel on what was going on inside. And from the 1970s on, both sides shifted towards satellite recon.
Bush was approached by God in a dream that he should attack Iraq (source The Independent). If someone was told by Allah in dream that he should crash a plain, it would definitely call it religious, so why should you not call this religious.
To my knowledge, the only peer-reviewed estimations of deaths in the Iraq war have been done by the Lancet (which happen to have an impact factor among the to ten scientific journals). The last estimates (published in October 2006 - I am not sure when data collection stopped) was 654,965 direct deaths. Note that the numbers are fairly old, and that violence since that has not been reduced. Just adjusting these numbers for time would lead you very close to 1 million. However the numbers do not take into account indirectly caused deaths (like deaths caused by deteriorating health services, increased child mortality etc).
Or you could stop trying to troll and realize that 90% of those deaths are from Iraqi on Iraqi violence and not from American action. Yes, I've been there, and i know what I'm talking about.
In Soviet Russia meme tires of you!
The catholic church HAS changed their views on cosmology. They're a little late to the party, but at this point they essentially say that whatever science finds they are cool with (evolution, big bang and all - the same would doubtless apply to the discovery of aliens), and that it doesn't change their beliefs. Weird and a bit self-contradictory, but that's religion in a nutshell.
At some point far in the future our descendents try out time travel and something goes wrong with one of the time travelling craft (they were probably visiting roswell to see if an alien really was found there - ah, the irony...)
Actually, this is part of the backstory of the time-travelling, table-top RPG Continuum. Of course, being a game about keeping the timeline consistent, the "aliens" know that they have to crash and the have to die long before they're ever sent there.
The explanation for why humans ended up looking like grey aliens is pretty funny too. Essentially, when body modification became common, anime big eyes and small mouths became really popular and then fashion eventually trended that way.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
And just because someone is firing a shotgun at your steamship doesn't mean your boiler can't independently fail and explode.
I think you're right about the early-explorer thing -- just look at where Earth is on the galactic map. The only way we could be closer to bumfuck nullspace is to leave the galaxy entirely. Why the hell would anyone come clear out here?
1) Explorers
2) Refugees
3) Fleeing criminals
And remember, our little radio envelope, only a couple hundred light years across, is but a grain of sand on a remote beach. Someone *might* trip over it, but odds are against it.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
hm.
but there are many incidents of unidentified aircraft appearing over white house, hovering high, and then vanishing speedily when jets take up to intercept, just about the time of the roswell incident.
me 163 is an aircraft thats impossible not to identify. its basically a burning stick, with a very low maneuver capability. its reported that such craft can do 90 degrees turns while going over 3000 km/hour speeds without any slowing down.
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