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World's Largest Telescope Up and Running

apdyck writes "ITWire is reporting that the world's largest telescope is now up and running, conducting one-year series of tests. The Great Canary Telescope, located in the Canary Islands, is the largest telescope in the world at 10.4 m (34') in diameter. Not for your average stargazer! 'The reflective telescope, sometimes also called GranTeCan, uses technology called adaptive optics, in which the mirror changes its shape in order to correct distortions of light caused by the Earth's atmosphere. The telescope is part of the Observatorio del Roque de los Muchachos, located on the island of La Palma, Spain, within the Atlantic Ocean.'"

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  1. Worlds Largest Telescope Up and Running by ajenteks · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. Damn :(
  2. Who you gonna call? by imstanny · · Score: 3, Funny

    The telescope is located on top of a volcanic peak that is 2,400 meters (about 1.5 miles) above sea level.

    Someone call Pierce Brosnan. Tell him to bring NASA's experimental locator beacon.

  3. Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not the size that matters. It's how you use it.

    1. Re:Hey by tgrigsby · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not the size that matters. It's how you use it.

      That's not what your girlfriend told me last night...

      (sorry, couldn't resist...)

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  4. iTWire Strikes Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I don't think it's the largest, at least larger are being constructed. Most lists of large telescopes are measured by aperture (making the GCT third) and while the article notes the problem that other large telescopes can't use their full mirror potential, it neglects to mention that it will be destroyed by the two mirrors on the LBT. According to a BBC article,

    The twins can also be made to work in tandem - as a so-called interferometer - which allows them to mimic a larger telescope that is 85m (279ft) wide. It's funny how I can submit a story only to have it rejected then have it accepted as two different stories the next week.
    1. Re:iTWire Strikes Again by OriginalArlen · · Score: 3, Informative
      Whilst faking a huge mirror using interferometry (see also Gemini North and South) gives you resolution, but it won't give you the photons. You've got a huge light bucket, but you're squinting through a couple of eyeholes drilled in the bottom.

      Now, if you want to talk about genuinely huge telescopes -- the GCT is only slightly bigger than the Kecks, after all -- the planned OWL (Overwhelmingly Large Telescope) is probably what you're looking for.

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    2. Re:iTWire Strikes Again by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Informative

      If one wanted to be pedantic, one could point out that there are other, non-optical (i.e., radio) telescopes that are much larger.

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  5. No, it's not the world's largest telescope. by CanSpice · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not the world's largest telescope. There are plenty of telescopes that are larger than this. The James Clerk Maxwell Telescope is about 5 meters in diameter larger. Arecibo is about 295 meters larger.

    And then you've got the array telescopes like VLA and VLBA, if you wanted to get pedantic about effective telescope size.

    1. Re:No, it's not the world's largest telescope. by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Informative

      TFA (as opposed to the Slashdot summary) says it's the largest visible/infrared telescope. None of the telescopes you've listed are in that category.

    2. Re:No, it's not the world's largest telescope. by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Doesn't matter.

      It's still not the largest optical telescope. SALT is 11.1m and is, like GTC, made of an array of mirrors. The LBT is 2x8.4m mirrors for an effective 11.8 aperture. Also "bigger" than GTC.

      Sure, the LBT isn't fully functional, but neither is GTC.

      SALT is fully operational. SALT is bigger. Article is WRONG.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_optic al_reflecting_telescopes

    3. Re:No, it's not the world's largest telescope. by matmota · · Score: 3, Informative
      Well, TFA does mention SALT (South African Large Telescope):

      It is interesting to note that the Hobby-Eberly Telescope, also in the United States--near Fort Davis, Texas in the southwestern part of the state--and the South African Large Telescope have larger mirrors but only a portion of each mirror is able to be used when making observations.
      You might disagree with their interpretation, but they did take the other telescopes into account.
  6. Advice from a (sort of) newbie astronomer by amstrad · · Score: 5, Informative
    My opinion: Keep the cheaper telescope and have more money to spend on accessories such as

    1. Zero power viewfinder, since the Meade 6x30 is worthless. I use a Telerad. They are great and cheap.
    2. A good 8x50 viewfinder. I use an Antares 8X50 Right Angle Erect Image finder.
    3. A good set of quality eyepieces (you can never have enough)
    4. Some filters (light polution, moon, solar, planetary)
    5. decent, but not expensive, pair of field binoculars
    6. etc. I could go on for ever...

    You might be disappointed if you wait a year, buy the more expensive telescope and have no money left over to buy upgrades.

    Some other points:

    • The best telescope you can buy is the one that you will actually use. My first telescope was an 8" equatorially mounted newtonian. I regret buying such a big and bulky scope. It was so akward to actually get to a field. A pair of tripod mount binoculars might have been better for me as a beginner.
    • I suggest not getting all the fancy computer driven stuff. A good star chart and viewfinder can be much more satisfying. If I can convince you of that then you could get more aperture for the same price with a Dobsonian style telescope.
    • Don't fixate on magnifying power. More important is optical clarity and aperture. If you really want magnifying power, you will need more aperture since they are linearly related (google Dawes Limit). Remember this rule of thumb: 50x per inch of aperture.
    • Plan your star gazing nights. Have a list of objectives for each night you go out. Know what's in the sky that night and what you want to look at. Don't simply set up the scope and "surf the sky".
    • Log your observations in a notebook. This will help you become a better observer.
    1. Re:Advice from a (sort of) newbie astronomer by amstrad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course you should always buy as much aperture as you can afford, but your aperture budget shouldn't cut into your accessories budget. What I was really saying was: if you are torn between two scopes of the same aperture, buy the cheaper one (i.e. buy a Dobsonian over a Mak)

      However, if you look at planets or the moon, a small aperture high focal length scope is better than the opposite. I moved to urban sprawl, so I can't view deep sky stuff. My 8" Newt is mostly useless. If I could, I'd trade it in for a good 4" high focal length refractor.

  7. Well done! by Shag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been waiting for this to be completed, since I sometimes work at the W.M. Keck Observatory on Mauna Kea, and the GTC is based on (and only slightly larger than) Keck I and II.

    Keck held the "world's largest" title (among optical scopes) for the last 15 years; it'll be interesting to see whether anything steals the crown from the GTC in the near future.

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  8. Re:DSP? by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reason you can't do this is because the purpose of the telescope is light amplification and magnification. The magnification could maybe work without adaptive optics, but if the light from the object does not get intensified by the large amount of reflector area applied, then you end up with dim images. It's also difficult to get sharp images with DSP as the light coming in contains more information than the sensor can send to the DSP. If the DSP instead applies corrective measures to the optics, you capture the image on the CCD better than if you applied it to only the data. It's a matter of losing the data which is NOT gathered by the CCD as a result of atmospheric distortion which prevents such an approach.

  9. First shot! by sl70 · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's a great image of the first shot taking with the telescope here

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  10. Satellite Image of the observatory by Pigeon451 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=La s+Palmas,+Spain&ie=UTF8&ll=28.756363,-17.891933&sp n=0.001712,0.002942&t=h&z=19&om=1

    Pretty cool, you can zoom right in. Guess we'll have to wait for Google to scan the Earth at night so we can see it exposed ;).

  11. Re:hexagonal? by Experiment+626 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did you intentionally chnage the word hexagonal from the original article or was it a strange aouto-correct error?

    I had a telescope with "12 homosexual segments of the primary mirror for testing and observations" once. Unfortunately, all it was good for is observing Uranus.

  12. Re:During the daytime ... by MDMurphy · · Score: 2, Funny

    During the daytime the telescope is used as a webcam for a distant beach

  13. I work for an astronomy department... by Carnivore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

    No, really! I work for the University of Floriday Astronomy department. The department has a 5% share of the GTC, and we're looking into another 5%. That may not seem like much, but if you consider one night of 10 meter time can be enough data for a graduate thesis, it's a massive amount of time.

    The IR instrumentation group in my building is building a _giant_ instrument for the GTC. It's called FLAMINGOS-II. IR is where it's at in astronomy right now, so it's neat to be in an up-and-coming department.

    If you guys have any questions about the telescope, I'll do my best to answer them or find out for you.

  14. Re:Why Earth telescopes? by Sperbels · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Adaptive optics are overcoming the problems with imaging through the atmosphere. And since you brought up Hubble... all you Hubble-repair-mission fanboys out there might take into consideration that sending up the space shuttle costs somewhere between $500 million and $1.5 billion (depending on who you ask). Now consider that this telescope cost $180 million to build. Can you imagine what kind of ground based optical telescope you could make for $1.5 billion? It would outperform Hubble by leaps and bounds.

  15. Re:Meades are toys. by node+3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's just about the absolute *worst* advice you could give. Someone is interested enough in astronomy to consider a telescope costing a few hundred dollars, but is having trouble justifying the cost, and you tell them to buy a $15k[*] scope?

    Your condescending "Meades are toys" translates to "stay away from astronomy". If someone is interested in the sky, there's nothing better than for them to buy an inexpensive telescope or a nice pair of binoculars. That's an investment even the most casual of interested parties can feel comfortable with. Maybe their interest will fade, but they'll at least have had some exposure, which is better than the none they'll get if they don't buy a telescope at all.

    On the other hand, they might become quite enthusiastic, and find their trusty old Meade is no longer sufficient. In that case, they may very well decide to move beyond their "toy" telescope (which is nothing of the kind) and make the massive investment in a higher quality scope. But the time for that is much later.

    Public participation in science is low enough as it is. Suggesting a $15k - $50k+ initial investment, and ridiculing more reasonably priced tools which are *vastly superior* to anything Galileo had ever used is most certainly not the way to go about correcting that. In fact, it seems quite obvious that it will have the exact opposite effect.

    [*] $15k is the cheapest scope. They don't list the prices of the most expensive ones, but the highest price they list is $54k! And they suggest a finder scope that's just shy of $3k! For the finder scope! That really seemed like sound advice to you?

  16. Re:why Gran Canaria over Tenerife? by gsliepen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sure, Tenerife's highest point is higher, but you're not allowed to build anything on the top of the Teide. The current observatories on Tenerife are approximately at the same height as those on La Palma. Yes, the vulcanoes on La Palma are still "active", but it's very benign activity, a little flow of lava once in a few decades. Those vulcanoes are also to the south of the island, while the observatories are closer to the north. The seeing quality at both sites is comparable I think.