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IE Dropping, Now Near 70% In Europe

Posted by kdawson on from the ascendent-fox dept.

Kevin Spiritus lets us know that XiTi Monitor, a French Web survey institute, has published its browser barometer for July, and Internet Explorer continues to lose ground. "The ascension of Firefox continues... Nearly 28% average use rate in Europe in the beginning of July 2007, with a progression in the totality of the 32 European countries studied. Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."

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  1. How is this not a dupe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Putting the same story in the related stories box does not un-dupe this news.

    1. Re:How is this not a dupe? by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, no, the story that was posted earlier this week was about this study. This story is the study. Even though they have the exact same data, they're entirely different: This one has graphs!

    2. Re:How is this not a dupe? by The_DoubleU · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is not a dupe.
      The previous story was about Firefox gaining market share.
      This story is about IE "loosing" ground.

      Completely different.

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    3. Re:How is this not a dupe? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
      TFA blurb: "Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."

      Good Lord people...at least if you post it front page get it right!!!

      It is lose not loose....

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    4. Re:How is this not a dupe? by bgfay · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh come on, let's not loose site of the things that defiantly matter here. We can play fast and lose with the little facts so much as we get the big ones write everyday. I wonder if alot of people woulda even noticed the affect of a little mispelling like that.

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    5. Re:How is this not a dupe? by Spacezilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      its a lot not alot stupid

  2. It doesn't loose any ground? by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damn pheonixes, not doing the digging I paid them to do!

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    1. Re:It doesn't loose any ground? by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nono, I think they mean to say that Firefox doesn't fight dirty and throw dirt (loose ground) at the opponents.

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  3. Pound it into our heads why don't ya? by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, we know. From that blurb:

    "Mozilla's Firefox web browser has made dramatic gains on Microsoft's Internet Explorer throughout Europe in the past year with a marked upturn in FF use compared to IE over the past four months, according to French web monitoring service XiTiMonitor. A study of nearly 96,000 websites carried out during the week of July 2 to July 8 found that FF had 27.8% market share across Eastern and Western Europe, IE had 66.5%, with other browsers including Safari and Opera making up the remaining 5.7%. In some key European markets FF has already reached parity and is threatening to overtake IE as the market leading browser."

    From the current blurb:

    Kevin Spiritus lets us know that XiTi Monitor, a French Web survey institute, has published its browser barometer for July, and Internet Explorer continues to lose ground. "The ascension of Firefox continues... Nearly 28% average use rate in Europe in the beginning of July 2007, with a progression in the totality of the 32 European countries studied. Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."

    I realize we have the Firehose now but are people who read Slashdot daily using it properly? We don't need two stories in a short time frame (4 days) about the same topic.

    1. Re:Pound it into our heads why don't ya? by UglyTool · · Score: 2, Funny

      I realize we have the Firehose now but are people who read Slashdot daily using it properly? We don't need two stories in a short time frame (4 days) about the same topic.

      And exactly how did you get a 4-digit UID? ;)

      eBay. Same place I got mine.

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    2. Re:Pound it into our heads why don't ya? by just_another_sean · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here, I fixed your comment for you...

      Dupe!

      j/k :-)

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    3. Re:Pound it into our heads why don't ya? by IllForgetMyNickSoonA · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now, I hate to be the first to tell you this, but... yout UID is 6-digit, they framed you on the eBay!

    4. Re:Pound it into our heads why don't ya? by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you mean, framed? He only paid for 4 digits, and got 6. That's, like, 50% free.

      At least that's what everyone tells me...

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  4. Methodology by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:

    Methodology: Firefox's use rate corresponds to the totality of Firefox visits during the period in relation to the entirety of visits, all browsers taken together. They don't explain what "visits" means. Does it mean visits to *their* site? Did they poll a random number of site owners? I'm sorry, but unless they can provide some supporting information, then these statistics are meaningless.
    1. Re:Methodology by Eightyford · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They don't explain what "visits" means. Does it mean visits to *their* site? Did they poll a random number of site owners? I'm sorry, but unless they can provide some supporting information, then these statistics are meaningless.


      I don't think they're meaningless. Inaccurate maybe. I can see how users of Firefox would visit certain sites more often than users of other browsers, and that could skew the numbers.
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    2. Re:Methodology by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 2, Funny

      Such as slashdot.org, linux.org, and sailormoonanime.com?

  5. I'm Loosing My Mind! by asphaltjesus · · Score: 2, Funny

    /. needs to put the grammar nazis to better use.

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  6. Lose vs Loose by athloi · · Score: 4, Informative

    loose ground

    This is a hard one for non-native English speakers, because "lose" is pronounced so bizarrely it sounds like it needs two Os. However, "loose" is how we describe poor security, and "lose" is what happens when I try to play one of these newfangled video games. FYI, FWIW.

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    1. Re:Lose vs Loose by teh_chrizzle · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is a hard one for non-native English speakers, because "lose" is pronounced so bizarrely it sounds like it needs two Os.

      i think "lose" should be spelled with two O's and a Z just like it sounds... like booze.

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  7. Europe by smith6174 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Europe people are smarter and do things better. Deal with it.

    1. Re:Europe by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Funny

      Smarter than everyone else or just smarter than Americans? Because if it's the latter it'd be a lot like debating on the internet.

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  8. Re:Any more data? by Eightyford · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is there any more data on how browser usage breaks down by country worldwide, or by other demographics?


    Yep!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_br owsers
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  9. Another poor dupe by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. This story is a dupe
    2. Yay firefox... but honestly is it all that important? How about discussing ways we can actually get firefox to perform better? Now that's a conversation actually worth having, but it might involve thinking instead of rabid fanboyism & MS hatred, so don't expect to see it on Slashdot.
    3. For the last freakin' time: Your mom is loose, you are just a loser can you finally get it right!!??!?!?!!

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  10. Re:firefox getting bloated by Horn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you care that much about 60 megs of ram for an app that you're using, its time to get more ram.

  11. loose any ground by DogDude · · Score: 2, Funny

    So then, is Firefox the name of a new roto-tiller? I'm confused.

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  12. To be fair, the Europeans do have rotten taste by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Witness the popularity of Jerry Lewis and David Hasselhoff.

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  13. Re:firefox getting bloated by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    , 4 tabs open in IE7 and firefox + both minimised > ie7 using 4MB! firefox is using 60MB! wtf?


    The about:config setting you're looking for is config.trim_on_minimize. Set this true.
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  14. Re:Note to editors by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're correct but so are they. IE is only at 66.5%, remember there are other browsers besides IE and Firefox!

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  15. Re:firefox getting bloated by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Font appearance is a personal taste issue, although I cant tell the difference. How are you measuring RAM usage? Because it isn't the amount of RAM in the task manager you want to worry about. What you need to find out is what do the applications do when the system is low on resources. If firefox is a good little application and surrenders that RAM when the system needs it, then it doesn't matter if it is 'using' it at other times.

  16. Re:Deja Vu all over again... by iamdrscience · · Score: 3, Funny

    Come on ./ editors. The dupes are getting really annoying.
    Yeah, for the past ten years they've been fine, but just this week it's started to piss me off too.
  17. BBspot by MrMonty · · Score: 2, Informative

    What, no link to the pertinent article on BBspot?

  18. Wow, is Mozilla going to "stay the course"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, it seems that Firefox only has a 28% approval rating. Guess who else only has (at most) a 28% approval rating? GWB!!!

    George W Bush = Firefox.

    Stay the course, guys. Victory against Microsoft is just around the corner.

    1. Re:Wow, is Mozilla going to "stay the course"? by 1336 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cute, but that's kind of like saying a balloon released from the ground is the same as a bowling ball released from near the top of a 100 story skyscraper as they pass each other at the 28th floor :)

  19. Re:loose != lose by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Informative
    Yeah, too bad that's not exactly right.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/loose

    A small sample:

    verb (used with object)
    20. to let loose; free from bonds or restraint.
    21. to release, as from constraint, obligation, or penalty.

    Over-generalising isn't going to help them remember. It'll only confuse them more when they encounter a less common usage, and think they've got it backwards again.
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  20. Re:firefox getting bloated by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The about:config setting you're looking for is config.trim_on_minimize. Set this true.
    I think this raises a point, though, in relation to browser share. The majority of users do not want to have to tweak anything. If they need to change Firefox configs in order to match performance under IE7, most would instead go back to IE7.[1]

    Personally, I don't think browser share is the ultimate measure of how good a browser Firefox is. The only reason why I think it's important that FF and other browsers eat away at the IE7 share is so that more websites are developed according to standards.

    [1] This is amusing, to me. The not-wanting-to-have-to-tweak-anything mentality used to be associated with Apple, not PCs (yes, more on the hardware side, but still). Now it's associated with MS products.
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  21. Re:firefox getting bloated by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think this raises a point, though, in relation to browser share. The majority of users do not want to have to tweak anything. If they need to change Firefox configs in order to match performance under IE7, most would instead go back to IE7.[1]


    As far as that goes, any software developer knows that when it comes to performance, you can maximize for size or speed, but not both. In this case, FF chose to optimize for speed, rather than size, but left a config option for those who would rather they had taken the opposite stance. I see no problem with this, given that memory is cheap (and getting cheaper). Anyone worried about a browser taking 60MB of RAM doesn't have enough memory; however, if they can't afford more memory for whatever reason, they still can decide to reduce FF's minimized size in memory.

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  22. Re:Time to switch browser, for security purposes by TihSon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Konqueror.

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  23. Missing S by 6Yankee · · Score: 3, Funny

    IE is, indeed, droppings.

  24. Because of cleaner and more productive experience by giorgosts · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Stats from a major technical site in Greece, one with the biggest traffic in the country, www.adslgr.com http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2701/browserandop eratingsystzd0.png Firefox 56%, IE6 15.5%, IE7 12.5%, Opera 5%. (Interestingly enough, XP 78%, Vista 8%, Linux 6.5%, Apple 1.5%)

  25. Re:firefox getting bloated by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just a suggestion, but you might want to try Opera. It's smaller and faster than its rivals.

    But, as others have pointed out, MSIE is known for not reporting memory usage correctly, so it's very hard to make like for like memory usage comparisons based solely on the numbers reported by Task Manager.

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  26. My web stats for June by Intron · · Score: 2, Informative

    No. Hits 304's KBytes sent Browser
    1 19280 42.65% 1051 13.35% 322071 Mozilla/5.*
    2 15609 34.53% 4831 61.37% 172549 MSIE 6.*
    3 6316 13.97% 1734 22.03% 61428 MSIE 7.*
    4 930 2.06% 0 0.00% 47572 msnbot/1.*
    5 431 0.95% 117 1.49% 1689 Mozilla/4.*
    6 402 0.89% 0 0.00% 143 Baiduspider
    7 326 0.72% 0 0.00% 2159 libwww-perl/5.*
    8 313 0.69% 70 0.89% 1635 Opera/9.*
    9 226 0.50% 22 0.28% 1581 MSIE 5.*
    10 134 0.30% 0 0.00% 1842 Speedy Spider
    This is bad news. Once MSIE drops below 50%, all of the malware will be targeting Firefox.
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  27. Re:Here's Looking to IE8 by echnaton192 · · Score: 2, Informative

    What is the big deal? Firefox brings its own settings and doesn't effect your system as every file is put to the firefox-directory or its profile. Simply try it. It won't bite :)

    And of course you could keep MSIE as your main browser. It's not as if you were changing your mailclient or something. Like you could use notepad AND word ;)

    MSIE sucks, Firefox is nice, it's as simple as that.

    Try out the free add ons.

    http://www.mozilla.com/