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New Dynamic Updating Discussions

Slashdot users of the Discussion2 system now have a new 'Update' button visible on their floating control slider, as well at the end of the discussion. This button will update your page to include comments posted since the page was loaded, so now you can keep discussion pages up to date without doing a full reload. It's nowhere near complete yet, but it's a nice step that goes a long ways towards making it easier to use larger discussions while they are actively updating. If you aren't using Discussion2, you need to log in, and toggle the checkbox visible on every page. You probably need bother only if you are using Firefox 1.5 or 2.x or Safari. You can send bug reports to me if you want.

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  1. Is my connection slow? by orclevegam · · Score: 3, Informative

    Has anyone else noticed pages with comments loading slower than normal? Front page, and my user page seem to load normal, but anytime I click the read more link it seems to take a long time to load. Same for if I try posting or replying to a comment. Side effect of the new comment system?

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    1. Re:Is my connection slow? by wanderingknight · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, I'm getting the same. It started today, though, and I've been using the new system for months now.

    2. Re:Is my connection slow? by PorkNutz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have noticed that too. It took 31 seconds to load this post comment page, and 87 seconds just to load this discussions main page.

  2. Even better by mathmatt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can you make another button that I can push that will automatically push this button periodically for me?

    1. Re:Even better by tloh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since the new discussion system has debuted, certain features have been less than useful to me as well. I particularly liked the old system where, for a single story, you can choose with a single button click to rearrange the comments to show the most recent first. Now, I'll have to go into my profile and actually configure all the pages to display a certain way. The way I see it, this newly announced function is kind of useless (and maybe a little annoying) if, even though you have an updated page of the discussions currently being conducted, you have to scroll through the jumble of nested comments to actually find the most recently posted.

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  3. how is this better than irc? by Speare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My initial mental image is that this would simply turn Slashdot a threaded IRC chat vehicle. We all know the quality of discussion online: as it gets faster, it gets worse. Instead of "+1 Insightful", we will need "+1 Merely On Topic." Will moderation changes also be instantly reflected, bringing items in and out of view in real time? How long before you do "fwoop" animations and live character-by-character ajax updates? Imagine the new games the trolls can play.

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    1. Re:how is this better than irc? by mathmatt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Good point. Let's make a slashdot penpal network. Slashdot, can you print a list of everyone home addresses and send each of us a large bulletin board. I'll start composing my next comment. Should be there in a couple weeks (I'm thinking I'll get "-1 Smartass")

    2. Re:how is this better than irc? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how is this better than irc?
      How? It has moderation, karma, threads, no client requirements, no abusive bots, and is presented in a form more conductive to essays than to 1-liner chats. Need I go on?
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    3. Re:how is this better than irc? by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How? It has moderation, karma, threads, no client requirements, no abusive bots, and is presented in a form more conductive to essays than to 1-liner chats. Need I go on?
      • My GP seems to be modded down as a troll even though I thought it was a reasonable observation and talking point, so I don't really see how moderation is helping.
      • Karma is for the dogs, since it's capped and non-numeric and totally gamed by those who want to.
      • Threads are the one thing I did mention, so thanks for reading and responding on it... oh, wait.
      • Since it's heavily dependent on modern web browsers' dynamic features, I fail to see how there are no client requirements.
      • If you think there are no bots that post to Slashdot, you have got to be joking. Have you read the cesspool of -1?
      • If it's presented in a form more conducive to essays than to one-liners, why did you reply to my paragraph with a one-line answer?
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  4. What's the point? by niceone · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't get it, who wants to read all those comments? Aren't they just failed first post attempts?

    (Including this one)

  5. Implement this on the main page? by lilomar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like the Update feature, would it be possible, eventually, to get the main page set up like this too? Just a thought.

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  6. Hi! My name's CmdrTaco. by Shut+the+fuck+up! · · Score: 5, Funny

    Today, I'd like to inform you about a good programming practice. It's called "Introducing New Features to a High Traffic Web Site in the Middle of the Afternoon on a Weekday".

  7. Michigan Testers Rejoice! by kebes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To any Slashdot users (like myself) who were part of the "University of Michigan" testing group, be aware that Discussion2 was recently silently added as an option in the user preferences. Just go "Preferences" > "Comments" > "Slashdot's New Discussion System Testing".

    For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about: A random group of Slashdot users were asked to participate in a study conducted by the University of Michigan on a new comment/discussion interface. This study presumably ended at some point (and possibly the data from it helped create Discussion2). However those users who were subjects in this study had a modified preferences panel, which prevented the Slashdot "Discussion2" mode from being available to us (bug report here). Now they have apparently fixed the issue, though no official message was sent to anyone. So, if anyone else was affected by that bug, you can now test the Discussion2 system along with everyone else.

    Thanks to whoever coded the workaround.

  8. Re:Expand by Default by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Informative

    See the box on the left that says "34 Comments" or somesuch? It's probably split between gray and white areas. Just drag the middle bar all the way to the bottom until the entire box is white. That should expand all the comments.

    That being said, I'm still using the "Nested a +0" thankyouverymuch. :-)

  9. Re:Expand by Default by pavon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, you can change the thresholds for comment expansion.

    To modify this threshold dynamically for just the story you are reading, just drag the little dividers on that floating widget

    To modify the default thresholds used when you load a new story go to Preferences -> Comments:

    Threshold - all comments with scores at or below this are hidden by default.
    Highlight - all comments with scores at or above this are expanded by default.
    Any comments between these two settings are shown as collapsed by default.

    I've been using the new comment system for months and I think it is absolutely wonderfull - far better than any other forum system I have ever used.

  10. Re:Error 500 by jeffasselin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, if you set a correct threshold in your preferences, replies above your threshold should show up opened. There's also a reply button in the infobox on the left for posting a new thread.

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  11. Can I tell which comments are new since last view? by schwaang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what I really want.

    A feature of dailykos that I like is that it keeps track of what's new since I last viewed a discussion, even if I close the discussion and re-open it later.

    New comments are highlighted in red.

    Also, if I reload the equivalent of the Slashdot front page, a topic I've seen before will say "X new comments".

    Steal those f*cking features, Taco!