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Webcasters Call Bunk on SoundExchange DRM Ploy
RadioFan writes "The settlement between webcasters and SoundExchange is starting to come apart at the seams, because everyone is realizing that SoundExchange wants to force DRM on Net Radio. DiMA, one of the largest Net Radio lobbyists, has fired back at Sound Exchange, calling them out for leveraging high royalty fees to push through DRM requirements that they failed to obtain in Congress via broadcast flag and anti-recording legislation. Was this whole thing a ruse to get DRM on net radio?"
Burbage dies on pg. 12
Hedwig dies on pg. 56
Mad-Eye dies on pg. 78
Scrimgeour dies on pg. 159
Wormtail dies on pg. 471
Dobby dies on pg. 476
Snape dies on pg. 658
Fred Weasley dies on pg. 637
Harry gets fucked up by Voldemort on pg. 704 but comes back to life on pg. 724
Tonks, Lupin, and Colin Creevy have their deaths confirmed on pg. 743
19 years after the events in the book:
Ron has married Hermione, their two children are named Rose and Hugo
Harry has married Ginny, their three children are named Lily, James, and Albus Severus.
Draco Malfoy has a son named Scorpius
The epilogue shows all of the children boarding the train for Hogwarts together.
The final lines of the book are: "The scar had not pained Harry for 18 years. All was well."
Plot Spoilers
Part of Voldemort's soul was implanted into Harry whenever he used Ara Kadvara on him when he was a baby. Harry then sacrafices himself a la Lilly Potter style, which allows him to kill Voldemort without killing himself. He also has hacks (stone to bring him back to life, and an uber wand).
Snape went to the good side (Hogwarts, etc.) because he was all emo that Voldemort killed Lilly Potter.
Harry has three kids with Ginny. Ron and Hermoine fall in love.
But it could have been if these faggots didn't go and fuck up the comment system.
i will continue to listen to old time radio and other sources
where i do not need ever consider these lobbyists and thier ilk.
pop music must die.
Third post!
It's not as bad as Hedwig dying on page 56.
Doesn't the crushing, recursive fee schedule pretty much wipe out all the players? I mean, forcing DRM on something that won't be exposed to the public (for fear of never-ending, revolving bankruptcy) seems utterly pointless. I mean, it could be the desire to stomp out the few remaining embers using any method possible...
first post... guess i should take a stab at discussing this.. let's see.. sound exchange.. DiMA.. internet radio.. oh thank god, a yes or no question... YES!
How in the hell could DRM prevent this?
But, then again, look at what I'm criticizing! I challenge anyone to list one technology or product that DRM has successfully 'worked' on (in that it prevents piracy). This is laughable and brings the phrase "defective by design" to whole new levels I never thought possible. Not only will it be defective, use cycles and memory on your machine but it will probably make the quality worse. Bravo, DRM, bravo.
Nothing I've found on this lays out the implementation so here's my prediction. SoundExchange wants the minimum offer/DRM model in place. Then they can prove it's possible to still streamrip. Then where does that put the web radio sites? At the mercy of SoundExchange, of course, because they implemented something that didn't satisfy a contract.
My work here is dung.
That’s like saying someone always puts earth first. Knowing local legislative has always given readily independent analysis doings. Vacuum orders load down ever man offering republicans testimonies. Knowledge in locals locations has evermore influence on the environment. It makes sense if you look at the details.
Surely the obvious solution is for the net radio stations to move their server out of SoundExchange's reach. I hear hosting in Russia isn't too expensive these days.
"Welcome to our world. We are the wasted youth. And we are the future too." Yes, I know these are stupid lyrics.
Noticed this reaction from one ripping software company. Used the software before, works petty good... and I agree with a lot being said on this about the latest in this mess.
I've said it before: the RIAA wants to hobble net radio, because it represents a huge threat to the control they currently hold over what people listen to. They dictate to the terrestrial stations which artists will get airplay, something that is impossible to do when any schmuck can start a web site and stream music. That's why the terrestrial stations don't pay this "performance royalty." They're the "good guys."
Net radio gives opportunities to unknown/independent artists to reach potential fans, and this simply does not serve the interests of the "big five" (or is it "big three" now?) record companies who are responsible for all the crappy music, cross-fading and talking over we get on commercial, FM radio these days.
So, sure, they want to introduce DRM to net radio, as well as crippling fees that only allow big companies (like AOL, for example) to play. Anything to wring a few more dollars out of unsuspecting music fans and prolong their control over the choices available to us.
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I listen to a local Clear Channel station online while at work. The week of July 4th, the stream suddenly stopped playing in Winamp. They had implemented a DRM scheme that requires you to play it through their web player (WMP10).
So...I'd say it's already here.
ACs are modded -6. I don't read you, I don't mod you, I don't see you. Don't like it? Don't be a coward.
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That's like saying someone always puts earth first. Knowing local legislative has always given readily independent a nalysis doings. Vacuum orders load down ever man offering republicans testimonies. Knowledge in locals locations has evermore influence on the environment. It makes sense if you look at the details.
Don't at least a significant percentage of these radio stations rely on advertising revenue? Putting DRM will invariably lead to loss of some percentage of the audience.
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
That comment reads (in ROT13):
We just encrypt everything with Rot13? It benchmarks favourably in terms of security with such industry standards as CSS and WMA, both of which are broken.
I reply - even better, we have the DMCA already on the books; so legally ROT13 is just as secure as any other protection mechanism, if you break it, you can be sued. This is the case, I propose DRM move to Double-ROT13. ROT13 is an old method, and like DES moving to TripleDES (3DES), ROT13 should update to 2ROT13 for increased security AND performance - even better, it works out of the box on existing players - zero compatibility problems, no need to worry about whiny users with old or new technology.
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Yes. Next.
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What's with the servers today? I keep getting 500 Internal Server Errors!
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
And before anyone suggests it, there is no way to blindly separate a stream accurately into individual songs (some songs have quiet/silent sections).
An old-timer with old-timey ideas.
The digital savvy people in the music business have hit upon a "new model" to replace their failing one. Subscriptions. They like this even better than the old model because it promises a more predictable and regular revenue stream. And they're going to try and steamroll anyone or anything that could threaten this new model (meet the new boss, same as the old boss). The biggest threat is net radio.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
New comment system hicups?
Its barely worth clicking on the comments links when they take over a minute to load up. Not to mention 1 minute plus if you want to view some thread or individual comment.
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
I think the analog step that is being referred to is the step from speakers (audio source) to ears. That will always be captureable as long as that step is not digital. One option would be to remove the eardrums from everyone and then install some kind of digital receptor that translates the digital DRM'ed signal directly to the auditory nerve (or the optical nerve in case of video/images). Somehow, I think that all this will take a bit more than "5 maybe 10 years".
With "proper" DRM in the receptor/translator, that system would be pretty fool proof. Although even then you could try and tap the auditory nerve and record the signal, or maybe even use somekind of brain scan to interpret the signals being received in the brain.
*puts on tinfoil hat.
Firehed - Unfortunately, thanks to medical breakthroughs, common sense is not as common as it once was.
Time shifting is the recording of programming to a storage medium to be viewed or listened to at a time more convenient to the consumer. Typically, this refers to TV programming but can also refer to radio shows via podcasts. Time Shifting
What tools would you use to "time shift" a webcast but a stream-ripper? Therefore, eliminating the stream-rippers effectively rewrites the law.
Give it time. Even if they actually get webcast streams intertwined with DRM (which I highly doubt), it won't be long until someone sues because they can't exercise their rights under the law.
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Double-ROT13 a.k.a. ROT26? (26 letters in alphabet...hmm let me think about this...)
regressive, not recursive
You do realize that "pop" music is an abbreviated form of "popular" music? - meaning that whatever genre or style of music is popular at the time constitutes "pop". Ergo, pop music cannot die, except possibly under the extremely small but non-zero probability that at some point in the future, all genres of music will just happen to be equally popular for some length of time, in which case pop music would cease to exist for as long as that condition exists.
it won't be long until someone sues because they can't exercise their rights under the law
Yeah, because it as really pushed all those lawsuits concerning DVD backup and format shifting. Oh, right...it hasn't. Thing is, not enough people know enough to care, and so few streaming media outlets provide enough quallity to matter. The general population doesn't care, and the audio geeks don't want it (96kb streams, that is). Not that it would matter, they would just buy a patch to the law for audio. They've already done so for rentals.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
There's no mention in the article of streams such as ShoutCast.
I use shoutcast for mine and there are literally thousands others using it. Pirate radio is another free one. They may not bother with mine and other radio stations because I dont have any income coming from it and dont want or expect it either.
On another note I think trying to make internet radio stations pay a royalty to combat stream ripping is a completely insane idea that shows just how out of touch these people are. Do they honestly think that if I want music I have to resort to ripping low quality streams? There are 1001 places to get it available on the net. I've got better things to do with my time than to search out music on the radio and rip the stream.
I've tried ripping a stream of an old 1960's broadcast. I intented to use some of the audio for commercials I was putting together. It was a pain and I was left with two choices:
1) sit at the computer and listen until just the right moment and begin ripping or;
2) record hours of audio to get the right piece and listen to it later to find it, and cut the piece out.
Either way it was labor intensive.
So, bear with me here.. music is bits right?
So I am thinking, the independent musicians of the world need something like a EULA, something that would get around the "$ound Exchange" compulsory license.
Is it possible? Would it have to be wrapped in a 'software program'?
That sounds pretty similar to Microsoft's subscription software business model. I hate the idea of these new 'cash cow' models that big business is coming up with, and can only hope people reject them forcefully.
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You can't make an open-source version of DRM.
DRM is an encryption scheme where the recipient is also considered one of the attackers--you HAVE to give the key to the recipient to unlock the media but attempt to tell the recipient how to use the file, which is not technically feasable. An open-source version will simply tell the attacker/recipient how to use the key to unlock the media even faster!
If the source-code is revealed, it ceases to be DRM, because the encrypted key is visible and any protection on the file can be stripped.
Internet Radio (and Radio) broadcasters should just STOP playing music that's owned (or controlled) by the RIAA. Let all those other performers and artists that have just been dying for air time to get their 15 minutes of fame. There's bound to be some other good music out there that the RIAA-scum-sucking-dirt-bags don't have their vampire-teeth stuck into.