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AMD Phenom and John Woo's Stranglehold In Action

MojoKid writes "AMD hosted a small gathering in the Penthouse at the SoHo Grand Hotel in New York City yesterday to demo some products due to be released in the coming months. HotHardware attended the event and snapped some photos of the various demo stations. The shots and info regarding the AMD quad-core Phenom-powered system running John Woo's Stranglehold (Unreal 3.0 engine) will be of interest, as will the slick notebooks, HTPCs, and hand-held devices, like the HTC Advantage 7501. It's essentially a cross between a UMPC, Phone, PDA, and portable GPS. The device features and AMD Imageon processor, 8GB of flash memory, a 5" touch screen, and a built in magnetic QWERTY keyboard, GPS navigator and 3MP camera."

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  1. iPhone Killer? by hguorbray · · Score: 1, Funny

    Could this be the Long Anticipated iPhone Killer?

    it has a nice feature list.....

    but I'm sure that there will be a few hundred alleged iPhone killers released in the next few years.

    -I'm just sayin'

    1. Re:iPhone Killer? by W2k · · Score: 5, Informative

      We have an HTC X7500 Advantage at work for testing purposes. The X7500 is identical to the X7501 save for the OS. X7501 ships with Windows Mobile 6. However, both of them are far too large and bulky to compete directly with the iPhone. For that, you want the HTC Touch P3450. We have several of these at work, and at half the cost of an iPhone and no operator lock-in, I much prefer it to the iPhone. The HTC Touch has .NET CF 2.0 SP2 in ROM, so it's a great development platform for homebrew apps.

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    2. Re:iPhone Killer? by pNutz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does this look like an iPhone killer to you?

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    3. Re:iPhone Killer? by timeOday · · Score: 1

      but I'm sure that there will be a few hundred alleged iPhone killers released in the next few years.
      Only if Apple can convince everybody that their own late entry into the smartphone market is now somehow the standard for comparison.

      And while I'm being grumpy, please don't everybody complain because it's not just a barebones phone. I'd like to go on a business trip without a laptop someday, OK?

    4. Re:iPhone Killer? by Control+Group · · Score: 2, Funny

      Quality, performance, value; pick any two. Hint: Windows isn't "value"...

      So...you're trying to say that Windows is quality and performance?

      That seems an unlikely belief, for slashdot.

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    5. Re:iPhone Killer? by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Quite, value for your money, as in you get what you pay for. Seems to fit Windows...at least, better than either Quality or Performance anyways ;)

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    6. Re:iPhone Killer? by GeckoX · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps...if you manage to drop it on the iPhone just right that is.

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    7. Re:iPhone Killer? by xornor · · Score: 1

      you're right, if you dropped it on the iphone from about 15 feet it probably would kill it. of course, the iphone stood up pretty well in the blender.

    8. Re:iPhone Killer? by LKM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only if Apple can convince everybody that their own late entry into the smartphone market is now somehow the standard for comparison.

      They don't need to convince anyone anymore. The iPhone already has convinced enough people.

      Even if you don't like the iPhone, you should be glad it exists. It sets a new standard for a phone UI. For the first time, there's a phone that whose UI is universally liked; a phone that does not only look good and not only has a neat list of features, but is also fun to use. This is good for everyone, because it forces the other phone manufacturers to do what they should have been doing for the last decade: Start making phones aimed at users instead of at carriers.

    9. Re:iPhone Killer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could this be the Long Anticipated iPhone Killer?


      "Long Anticipated"? Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the iPhone has been out for less than a month.
    10. Re:iPhone Killer? by discojohnson · · Score: 1

      maybe not, but when "The device features and AMD Imageon processor, 8GB of flash memory, a 5" touch screen, and a built in magnetic QWERTY keyboard, GPS navigator and 3MP camera." the real question is: Does it blend?

    11. Re:iPhone Killer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't this the iPhone killer http://www.nokia.co.uk/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_124883
      at least in Europe...

    12. Re:iPhone Killer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just having a qwerty keyboard makes it an iPhone killer for my purposes.

      I just reread that to check I spelt 'qwerty' correctly. Odd sensation.

    13. Re:iPhone Killer? by Animaether · · Score: 1

      The reason parent post is insightful is because he hits the nail on the head. Who cares if it's technically superior (yeah yeah, multitouch blabla.. no stylus = have fun selecting text with the wacky zoom-in fingerslide position-the-caret action hotness and by all means call it a feature!).. if it doesn't look anywhere near as slick (externally and UI-wise), it's not in the same market as the iPhone.

      People need to stop referring to every new smartphone as an iPhone-killer. Call it a BlackBerry-killer or a SideKick-killer or a flavor-of-the-month-HTC/Eten device-killer; unless, again, it looks and acts just as slick as - if not slicker than - an iPhone.

    14. Re:iPhone Killer? by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Does this look like an iPhone killer to you?

      If you can get it to run Linux half of /. will proclaim it to be an iPhone Killer.

    15. Re:iPhone Killer? by Coleon · · Score: 1

      Of Course it blends, and what about the next model a phone+shaver+frigobar+compass...
      itll be ready for next fall
      Pre-order it now!!

    16. Re:iPhone Killer? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Quality, performance, value; pick any two. Hint: Windows isn't "value"..."

      haha...sigh. I hate when some take a perfectly good expression, and then fucks it up by trying to make similiar ones .

      Clue:

      the iPhones quality is better, it's performce is higher, and it's value is greater then the newton.
      OOPS! looks like it's got all three.
      Moron.
      iPhone was an example, but it could be said about any fucking technology.

      in fact, it has been increased quality, increased performance, increased value and decrease in cost for years now.

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    17. Re:iPhone Killer? by be-fan · · Score: 1

      yeah yeah, multitouch blabla.. no stylus = have fun selecting text with the wacky zoom-in fingerslide position-the-caret action hotness and by all means call it a feature!

      It's called a design trade-off. I definitely scroll and zoom way more often than I select text. Phone screens are limited --- binding the common actions to easy-to-use mechanisms makes a lot of sense.

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    18. Re:iPhone Killer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, as far as functionality Windows Mobile beats iPhone. At work I was done playing with the iPhone after a few minutes. Where exactly are you finding the HTC Touch for half the price of an iPhone? That would mean its $250-300

    19. Re:iPhone Killer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >it's performce
      >Moron.

      Pot, kettle, etc.

    20. Re:iPhone Killer? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      I agree, as far as functionality Windows Mobile beats iPhone.

      Features aren't the same as functionality.

      Windows Mobile has a checklist of features randomly scattered around an interface that was clunky even on a big screen. I haven't used an iPhone, and maybe never will, but I hope it wakes up the phone makers to the fact that there's a market for PDA phones that are DESIGNED for little screens, not ripped wholesale from a desktop OS.

      I've been stuck with Windows Mobile on my PDA phones for far too long. Bring on the competition.

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    21. Re:iPhone Killer? by king-manic · · Score: 1

      the iPhones quality is better, it's performce is higher, and it's value is greater then the newton.
      OOPS! looks like it's got all three.


      It's got quality. It's got performance over most other smart phones but value...? 600 plus a 3yr lock in. Except for Apple Zealot it has little value. As those who need all those functions can get 80% of it for 30% of the cost via a black berry and those that don't can spend 10% of it and get a decent phone.

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    22. Re:iPhone Killer? by guisar · · Score: 1

      The ONLY reasons everyone doesn't own an iPhone a) ATT (wtf was Jobs thinking) b) (refer to a) p) Price. It costs a lot of money- not out of line with it's competitors by the way but way more than the freebies or $50 after MIR that most people are used to.

    23. Re:iPhone Killer? by steve86-ed · · Score: 1

      Looking at the spec sheet for the HTC Touch P3450 I see:

      Operating System: Windows Mobile 6 Professional

      I saw that and it's enough of a deal breaker for me to ignore any and all features of this phone. It could raise baby Jesus from the dead and I wouldn't buy it, because I already know it'll only summon him on a full charge and only if no 3rd party apps are installed. WM is pure shite.

  2. But wait, there's more!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
    The device features and AMD Imageon processor, 8GB of flash memory, a 5" touch screen, and a built in magnetic QWERTY keyboard, GPS navigator and 3MP camera."

    It also makes a great cup of coffee!

    1. Re:But wait, there's more!! by vigmeister · · Score: 1

      It also makes a great cup of coffee! Freshly blended and homebrewed!

      Cheers!
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  3. Also yesterday... by epiphani · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AMD posted a $600m loss. Heres hoping their new processor line (barcelona and phenom) can fix things for them - I'd hate to see Intel lose its only competition.

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    1. Re:Also yesterday... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt that even if they run out of money that they'll cease to be competition for Intel. They'll be bought by some private equity firm, broken up, and sold to some other tech companies like Intel...errr... I guess they will cease to be competition if they run out of money.

  4. Portable you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's essentially a cross between a UMPC, Phone, PDA, and portable GPS.
    As opposed to all those non-portable GPS units that are so popular nowadays. I bought a very expensive non-portable GPS and had it installed in my basement, so that I will immediately know if Carmen Sandiego steals my house.
    1. Re:Portable you say? by Itninja · · Score: 1

      I think they mean the GPS units that are designed to be hard-mounted in boats and cars. I guess they would still be technically portable though....

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    2. Re:Portable you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "so that I will immediately know if Carmen Sandiego steals my house."

      Very unlikely. You should mount it on your roof instead. -Randall

    3. Re:Portable you say? by lesinator · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you are interested in having high quality time in your datacenter, you will look at having a non-portable GPS unit. At a previous jobs, we had a 1u rack mount time server that synchronized itself via GPS through an antenna on the roof. Similar to these. Of course, at a certain scale everything is portable.

    4. Re:Portable you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. I was looking at one of these recently, and they're definitely not intended to be moved, or you lose a lot of the accuracy they're supposed to provide.

    5. Re:Portable you say? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Funny

      When I want quality time in my data center, I shut the door and start up the counterstrike server.

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    6. Re:Portable you say? by joshuac · · Score: 1

      "Similar to these. Of course, at a certain scale everything is portable." ...said Lesinator with an evil laugh, as he obsessively checked again his now perfectly synchronized home PC clocks.

    7. Re:Portable you say? by EotB · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of GPS units, especially the nice RTK Differential units (10mm +/- precision) that get installed on things like boats for hydrography and earthmoving equipment for earthworks. They aren't very portable at all.

  5. Many GPS units are non-portable ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    "It's essentially a cross between a UMPC, Phone, PDA, and portable GPS."

    As opposed to all those non-portable GPS units that are so popular nowadays. I bought a very expensive non-portable GPS and had it installed in my basement, so that I will immediately know if Carmen Sandiego steals my house.


    I realize you are joking, but this joke needed to be rethought/reworked. Mobile != Portable. Many GPS units are not portable, portable as in carried by a person, and are installed in cars, aircraft, ships, etc.

    Also if you check with troops who have carried the "portable" military GPS units around the mountains of Afghanistan you will probably find that they consider those unit to be "non-portable". Want to send a "care package" to troops over there, send a Garmin or something.

    1. Re:Many GPS units are non-portable ... by semiotec · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      military grade GPS have higher precision, although it seems unlikely that this is the reason they are bulkier, probably just the usual shock-resistant packaging for military use I guess.

      however, civilian GPS signal is apparently less accurate because noise is intentionally added, see graph here: http://www.byte.com/art/9602/img/511022c2.htm

    2. Re:Many GPS units are non-portable ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      military grade GPS have higher precision, although it seems unlikely that this is the reason they are bulkier, probably just the usual shock-resistant packaging for military use I guess. however, civilian GPS signal is apparently less accurate because noise is intentionally added, see graph here: http://www.byte.com/art/9602/img/511022c2.htm

      My understanding is that the military GPS have a more limited battery life, heavier spare batteries, and that for normal navigation the civilian units are more than adequate. Some military GPS integrate with targetting devices and that may account for additional weight and size, plus it may just be using older technology.

  6. 4 Cores by HungWeiLo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will only 4 cores be enough to render all the flying doves and the ten thousand bullets that Chow Yun Fat will fire as he glides down the stairs?

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    1. Re:4 Cores by Notquitecajun · · Score: 1

      In slow motion.

      Dangit, I wanted to make the flying doves joke.

    2. Re:4 Cores by andphi · · Score: 1

      But $X $Ys should be enough for anyone.

  7. HTC 7501 by semiotec · · Score: 0

    article forgets to mention it runs on an Intel CPU.

    the HTC Advantage 7501 is designed to fill the void between underpowered PDAs and expensive UMPCs. It should be available sometime towards the end of the summer at around $900.

    How does the $900 mark "fill the void" between PDAs and UMPC? and it's just a (very) expensive PDA with a bigger screen. I don't see what features it has that set it apart from other high-end PDAs except for that screen.

    at least the tidbits regarding the cool/quiet running of the Phenom processors seemed encouraging, I really hope AMD can at least close the gap between Intel and themselves.

    1. Re:HTC 7501 by W2k · · Score: 1

      How does the $900 mark "fill the void" between PDAs and UMPC? and it's just a (very) expensive PDA with a bigger screen. I don't see what features it has that set it apart from other high-end PDAs except for that screen. It has a 4 GB microdrive, external VGA out and a 600+ MHz CPU. These are not common features for PDAs, most of which have around 128 MB of flash memory split between OS, applications and user data, and 200-400 MHz CPUs. The X7500 is designed to be a laptop replacement, though I don't think it's a very good one. I much prefer my TyTn to the X7500 we have at work.

      The big 5" screen and GPS means that the X7501 is probably quite nice when semi-permanently mounted into a vehicle. You'd have your office in your car, synchronized over 3G/HSDPA or EDGE, and it doubles as a navigator. Most PDA's have tiny 2.8" screens that make them unsuitable for use in a car, IMHO; you lose focus on the road when trying to read details off a small screen.
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    2. Re:HTC 7501 by mypalmike · · Score: 1

      This is what will really fill that void between PDAs and UMPCs. Two pounds, 200 bucks, built-in wireless, comes with Linux installed, but can run Windows too.

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    3. Re:HTC 7501 by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      If your PDA has only 128MB of flash you'd better start looking at some of those penis extension patch spams.

      My old phone (nokia 9300) has 1GB, my new one (nokia E90) will have (initially) 4GB.

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    4. Re:HTC 7501 by W2k · · Score: 1

      Take a look at PDADB - most PDAs have in the region of 128 MB internal flash and SD card slots for expansion. The X7500/X7501 is a notable exception. The Nokia phones you mention are not PDAs. Still, it's certainly no great challenge to buy a 4 GB micro-SD card if you need the space. I got just such a card for my PDA, and it's very nice being able to move it between PDA and laptop for refilling.

      The only reason you need lots of memory in a PDA is if you want to store music or movies, or other bulky data files. Most Windows Mobile-based PDAs are not built for this purpose; they're for business professionals. It takes a whole bunch of Excel or Word documents to fill up even 32 MB :)

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    5. Re:HTC 7501 by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      The Nokia phones you mention are not PDAs.
      They're not? That's a pity, guess I'd better get a Palm then.

      Why should I care if the memory is "internal" or on a card?

      The only reason you need lots of memory in a PDA is if you want to store music or movies, or other bulky data files.
      Why do you think I don't need more that 640K?
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  8. Just Get It Into My Hands by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Funny
    Just get these new chips into my hands. I don't know which is taking longer to arrive:

    AMD quad core K10's
    Flying cars
    Televisions you unroll and hang on your wall
    Battery/Capacitor hybrids giving the best of each
    Truly efficient, cheap solar cells

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    1. Re:Just Get It Into My Hands by warrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Duke Nukem Forever?

      You must be new here...

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    2. Re:Just Get It Into My Hands by DarenN · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You forgot Duke Nukem Forever!

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    3. Re:Just Get It Into My Hands by guisar · · Score: 1

      An ATI card that can perform as well as the two generations previous nVidia card....

  9. Have used an HTC Advantage 7501... by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    I had a brief opportunity to play with one of these at a focus group (for a company looking to get input as to what people want in mobile communications/entertainment devices).

    I was not really impressed. First of all, the thing is bigger than pictures make it look. Way bigger. No pocket for this thing!

    Secondly, the UI response was very laggy. I just couldn't see this thing in any way replacing a laptop.

    The screen was very large, but it didn't appear the resolution was very high.

    I'd say any number of mobile devices with a fold-out bluetooth keyboard would work much better.

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  10. $900 for Windows CE portable? by Brit_in_the_USA · · Score: 0

    With Samsungs "budget" Q1 Ultra at the same price point (with 800mhz CPU, 60gb hard drive, 1 gb Ram, Windows Vista ) I fail to see how this will sell.

    Some may point out that Windows Vista is not a selling point - but neither is Windows CE.

    1. Re:$900 for Windows CE portable? by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 1

      Thats why it is called WinCE. It makes me wince just imagining being forced to use it!

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    2. Re:$900 for Windows CE portable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > price point

      You keep using that term. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  11. Flawed plan! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > As opposed to all those non-portable GPS units that are so popular nowadays. I bought a very expensive non-portable GPS and had it installed in my basement, so that I will immediately know if Carmen Sandiego steals my house.

    But, won't the non-portable GPS get left behind in the crater where your house used to be?
    Gotta think these things through!

  12. John Woo is making a video game? by readin · · Score: 1

    Will it switch to slow motion anytime anything remotely resembling action begins to happen to make sure no one starts to get excited?

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    1. Re:John Woo is making a video game? by mechapants · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the entire game will be played in a similar style to max payne's bullet time. you will be a retired (bad guy) trying to make it on your own as a white dove breeder, when suddenly (something dramatic from your past) comes back to seek revenge. This time you'll (1 - seek revenge 2 - team up with -- to seek revenge 3 - defend your --)

  13. No Feature List will kill the iPhone by LKM · · Score: 1

    Could this be the Long Anticipated iPhone Killer?
    it has a nice feature list.....

    To be an iPhone killer, it doesn't need a nice feature list. It needs an amazing user interface that makes the features it actually has usable and fun.

    (Yeah, yeah, a good UI could be thought of as a feature, but it's not something you'll usually see in a feature list)

  14. Re:"a portable GPS" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, yes. Back in the day, when I was a surveyor, we called these non-portable GPSes "Benchmarks"

  15. Wii unfriendly. by mefdahl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The site this story links too is the most Wii unfriendly site I've seen on the thing. The Wii seems unable to zoom to the body of text, you have to actually back out of the image...
    I guess I'll have to read it later.

    1. Re:Wii unfriendly. by Paktu · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, did you type out that entire comment using the Wiimote? If I tried that, I'd probably dislocate my shoulder, or just have my arm fall off entirely.

  16. Nvidia Go on AMD???? by rmallico · · Score: 1

    Did anyone notice that the device included the Nvidia GO video chipset while using the AMD processor? Guessing that this is something build prior to the ATI purchase or ???

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    1. Re:Nvidia Go on AMD???? by rrhal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Despite its purchase of ATI I think AMD still has pretty good relations with nVidia. I think both companies realize an nForce SLI set up is a good seller with AMD's CPUs.

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    2. Re:Nvidia Go on AMD???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am typing this response to you from a recent laptop that has an AMD CPU, NVIDIA GPU and nForce chipset. Yes, these combinations of hardware do exist.

    3. Re:Nvidia Go on AMD???? by Synic · · Score: 1

      It's definitely confused by Intel's P35 chipset only supporting ATI CrossFire. Huh???

  17. Precisely my point. by LKM · · Score: 0, Troll

    I guess I'm the anomaly if I don't really associate a cellular phone with "fun"

    That's precisely my point. Your phone sucks. There's no reason why using a phone has to be a soul crushing experience.

    (Also, I know you were trying to flamebait me. Not sure why you felt the need to do that (maybe for fun, hah), but I would like to add that my notion of fun is not limited. By definition, it is your notion of fun that is more limited than mine if yours does not include using a cell phone while mine does)

    1. Re:Precisely my point. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You believe the only two options for a telephone are "soul-crushing" or "fun"? Who's trolling who?

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    2. Re:Precisely my point. by LKM · · Score: 0, Troll

      You believe the only two options for a telephone are "soul-crushing" or "fun"?

      Dude. Obviously, using a cell phone will not crush your soul. It's a hyperbole. Why are you trying to flamebait me?

  18. I have mixed feelings by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    on one hand I know competition is good, but on the other hand I want AMD fan boys to suck it.

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  19. why are there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... So many pimps for this mojo guy's website??

  20. Re:iPhone Killer? Yes by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

    Yes...if I can replace the battery.

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  21. I read that as... by originalnih · · Score: 0

    ...John Woo's Stranglehold On Action.

    And I thought: "That's right."

    lawl me

  22. Oh then, you've used one by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Some cowardly moderator appears to be a fanboy for the HTC Advantage 7501. Well then, you should try actually using one before you complain on my remarks, which are from first-hand experience! They had everything from a Sony Milo to the new LG phone, though sadly no other devices had power.

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