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360 HD-DVD Add-on Dropped to $179

Joystiq reports that the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 has been permanently dropped in price to $179. Additionally, Bob Barker style, you get five free movies too: "Appearing at Comic-Con in San Diego, the announcement was made amidst promotion for the HD-DVD releases of the film 300 and the cheerleader epic, Heroes. Not content with just a twenty dollar dip, Microsoft has extended Toshiba's 'Perfect Offer' promotion to Xbox 360 owners, awarding five free movies with purchase. The hard part now is choosing between Casablanca and The Dukes of Hazzard. Naturally, the Xbox Live Marketplace wasn't left out in all this news as 300 will be making its way to the service in HD on August 14th, while free content for Heroes will arrive sometime before its HD-DVD release."

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  1. Obligatory by dj_tla · · Score: 4, Funny

    Save $20, save the world

    1. Re:Obligatory by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Not only that, you get to watch HD movies using a lousy side-car add-on!

  2. Accomplishes what for the 360? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't use it for games, so what's the point? Honestly, dropping the price by $20 on a peripheral that you still need to buy a $400 machine to work with it won't really do much. This only helps people that are on the fence for a PS3 ... except they don't offer a blu-ray drive for the XBox, so even then, not really.

    1. Re:Accomplishes what for the 360? by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really help anyone on the fence, it's still more expensive to get a 360 and this drive than to get a PS3.

    2. Re:Accomplishes what for the 360? by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

      If you didn't need the Xbox, then it wouldn't be a peripheral.

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  3. Microsoft has the worlds best PR department by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    $20 got them 3 days of coverage from all the major news outlets... It's been on the front page of Google news for days. Tiny price-cut, tons of press. Geniuses. They really are amazing.

    1. Re:Microsoft has the worlds best PR department by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Yeah, at generating press about something that may end up unused by most people in the end. Like Zune. It's not good press until something good comes from it... it could backfire and people could see it just like the price drop for the PS3. It's not even like there's a $170 bluray drive for the 360 you can hedge your bets with... MS says they will never make one.

    2. Re:Microsoft has the worlds best PR department by GeckoX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, though it's not _that_ tiny a price cut at all...that is a full 10% price cut after all...a ton of commercial products don't have a 10% margin to cut. Of course, with MS, if you're already selling at a loss, what's another 10% right? ;)

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    3. Re:Microsoft has the worlds best PR department by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      As far as from an "HD-DVD player only" perspective, the price is really from $678 to $658, since you need something to connect this device to; it doesn't work by itself... That, of course, assumes you want HDMI, which practically everybody who isn't an early adopter (and got stuck with an HDMI-free TV) will want.

      That's only a 3% price cut.

    4. Re:Microsoft has the worlds best PR department by lazyforker · · Score: 1

      You save $20 (10%) and get over $100-worth of movies. So the saving is substantial (if you want the movies).

    5. Re:Microsoft has the worlds best PR department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's almost true, but it requires that the value of the game console not be considered separately in any capacity. Naturally, I'll have to assume you're a PS3 fan, as that's who generally propagates this dubious math across the net.

    6. Re:Microsoft has the worlds best PR department by hchaput · · Score: 2, Funny
      $20 got them 3 days of coverage from all the major news outlets... It's been on the front page of Google news for days. Tiny price-cut, tons of press. Geniuses. They really are amazing.

      And that red-ring-of-death problem? Months of coverage! Frackin' geniuses!

    7. Re:Microsoft has the worlds best PR department by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      The free movies have nothing to do with Microsoft, and nothing to do with the price cut.

      The add-on is not an HD-DVD player without an XBox 360, and thus the cost before the cut was signifigantly higher than $200. That makes the price cut significantly smaller than 10%.

      Also, the movie selection sucks. It is unlikely that you could find 5 within the criteria that you would have bought more than one or two of, since it forces you to pick from multiple genres and eras. That's a lame offer. (BluRay has the same lame offer going too.)

  4. last ditch effort by AkumaKuruma · · Score: 0, Troll

    amazing what lengths they will go thru to try and push a peripheral that uses a dying format. more and more places are going bluray only and microsofts effort to fight back is with a $20 pricebreak. this would go right on my self next to my Sega Genesis-32x-CD.

    1. Re:last ditch effort by reytron · · Score: 2, Informative

      rtfa, not only a $20 price cut, but 5 free hd dvd movies. As expensive as these things are, your getting at least a $100 in bonuses. This might make me go out and get one, provided I could get the season 1 of heroes as one of my 5.

    2. Re:last ditch effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blu-ray has had the same promotion going on for weeks

    3. Re:last ditch effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but 5 free hd dvd movies.

      Which Sony had been giving out with the purchase of just about any bluray player for a while now, including the PS3. Of course, sony's options for the 5 discs sucks (after the price drop, I'd have bought a ps3 for backwards compatibility if I got some good free movies with it)

    4. Re:last ditch effort by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The 5-free thing is just a "me too" for the offer that is currently available for BluRay players.

      You can't pick whichever ones you'd like. Similar to the BluRay offer, you have strict restrictions on which crappy movies you can get free. The list is available in PDF format only. Check it out. No Heroes.

    5. Re:last ditch effort by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      This (pdf) looks like the rebate form they've been using along with the list of discs you can choose from. That form expires in a few days, so there may be a new one somewhere else with different discs.

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    6. Re:last ditch effort by coop247 · · Score: 1

      HDDVD is done. Target just announced they are only supporting BR. Blockbuster only stocking BR in stores was the beginning of the end. I love the $20 price break, wow twenty whole dollars, now I'm going to rush out and get one...

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    7. Re:last ditch effort by MBraynard · · Score: 2, Informative
      That's actually not true.

      1) Target does sell the Xbox 360 HD-DVD and they also sell HD DVD players on their website.

      2) You are underestimating the sophistication of the market if you think that just because you can't walk into your local Target and buy a BR, that is going to affect people from making an informed decision on what to buy for a relatively technical piece of kit. The internet wasn't around back in the day of Beta/VHS.

      3) Target customer service for tech pretty much is non-existant. If you want to by something fancy/technology-wise and you're not an internet-informed / internet-shopper, you go to Best Buy or Circuit City - both are HD dealers.

      4) Not saying who is going to win the format war, or if there will be a truth when/if folks just publish on a duel-format disk and the cost of duel-format players drops. But this isn't a huge blow that people are making it out to be.

    8. Re:last ditch effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "2) You are underestimating the sophistication of the market if you think that just because you can't walk into your local Target and buy a BR, that is going to affect people from making an informed decision on what to buy for a relatively technical piece of kit. The internet wasn't around back in the day of Beta/VHS."

      Not saying you are guilty of this, but in general i think it's interesting that as soon as there is a rumor that Walmart is going to support HD-DVD everyone comes out saying that the "war" is over because of the decision of the largest retail chain. However when Target announces support (not exclusive) for Blu-Ray everyone comes out saying that it doesn't matter because consumers are far too sophisticated to be swayed by one retailer (the second largest) making a decision.

      I guess you can take news and make it mean whatever you want.

    9. Re:last ditch effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Blu-Ray offer is the one that's the "me too." Toshiba has been doing it longer for HD-DVD.

    10. Re:last ditch effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is they're concerned about getting stuck with a bunch of stock.

    11. Re:last ditch effort by GreenEnvy22 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is not true. Target agreed to a limited exclusivity agreement with Sony to carry only their BR player for a time. They still sell hd-dvd movies, as well as the HD-DVD addon for Xbox360. Assuming the war is still ongoing after Christmas, they will start carrying hd-dvd drives too.

    12. Re:last ditch effort by plague3106 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd agree if the porn industry wasn't backing HDDVD.

    13. Re:last ditch effort by AkumaKuruma · · Score: 1

      the only reason was that sony said they didnt want "questionable stuff" on their format. there are pornos being released on both. actually the FIRST video released on both formats was a porno.

    14. Re:last ditch effort by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Except that there are FAR more titles on HDDVD than BluRay. Go check for yourself.

    15. Re:last ditch effort by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Sony is just refusing to lease their production lines to stamp porn discs. They've had this policy for DVDs as well. Now it's a bit of a bigger deal in the case of blu-ray, since apparently they require new pressing equipment and HD-DVD doesn't, but it's hardly a deal-breaker. If blu-ray takes a commanding lead, new production lines will come on line that will stamp anyone's discs.

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    16. Re:last ditch effort by MBraynard · · Score: 1
      Back to number format.

      1) It SOUNDS to me, everwhere I read - here or Digg - that it IS over because Target is carrying them with exclusive endcaps. That is the prevailing opinion.

      2) Walmart's revenue is 351 billion. Target's revenue is 59.4 billion. The Target news does not whipe out the WalMart news.

    17. Re:last ditch effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, as we all know, there's no alternative place to find porn in 2007.

      The porn industry isn't as influential as you think it is any more.

    18. Re:last ditch effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldnt you prefer a series that, uh, made any sense? Why don't you get Lost too while you're at it?

    19. Re:last ditch effort by donaldm · · Score: 1

      Well you could down load Hero's avi's onto you PSP and then playback via your PS3 then via HDMI or component with smoothing and uponversion to 720p, 1080i or 1080p resolution. An easier way would be to get the AVI's and convert them to PS3 format (do a google search for "PS3 avi files") then you can watch Hero's on your HDTV rather than your PC screen. It will cost you the time to download the Hero's avi files and possibly $29 for the converter software and of course a PS3 and a HDTV.

      A media centre could do the same thing but how much is a media centre that will smooth and upconvert avi/mp4 files to a HDTV?

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    20. Re:last ditch effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Target just announced they are only supporting BR. Blockbuster only stocking BR in stores was the beginning of the end.

      So BD is winning the same way DiVX won in Circuit City?

    21. Re:last ditch effort by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Apart from Casablanca, I wouldn't buy any of these if they cost just $1 each. A bonus offer is really no offer at all if you didn't want the bonus anyway. I'd rather pay for one priceless movie than get 5 worthless ones for free.

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    22. Re:last ditch effort by iainl · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that the grandparent has a 360 instead of a PS3, if they're considering the drive.

      Still, a 360 will play back H.264, MPEG2 or WMV format versions of whatever you're downloading too, so the recommendation still stands.

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  5. Well... by Tadrith · · Score: 1


    I guess that's 20$ less than I *would* have spent, had I intended on buying this, or any "next generation" movie format. Until this entire thing sorts itself out, I refuse to buy either. I personally hope they both go down in flames, and in return, we can get something the entire market agrees upon. Not only that, maybe we'll get something less locked down. (I know, it'll never happen, but one can always hope.)

    My interest in next generation formats has very little to do with movies, anyway. I'm much more interested in high capacity removable storage for my PC. One that doesn't include moving parts, and one that I can easily hand off to my relatives and not worry about getting back.

    1. Re:Well... by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, once they move on to the next optical disc format a dozen or so months from now with all the fancy holographic stuff, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to put it into a cartridge format.

      Microsoft'll still find a way to scratch it though.

    2. Re:Well... by donaldm · · Score: 1

      I assume you are talking about Holographic Versatile Disk (HVD for short) or Tapestry Media. All I can say is don't hold your breath since a cheap HVD recorder/player is approx US$18,000 and the media (write once) is well over US$100 and that is OEM prices. The holographic market is not aimed at the movie or game industry (at least not yet) it is aimed at the backup and storage market which is worth billions.

      The problem is picking what the next great format will be but you are right Microsoft'll still find a way to scratch it though. :-)

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    3. Re:Well... by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 1

      I've been on the fence for a while now (I have a PS3, and I have a 360)... and I'm thinking that the format war is not going to pick a "winner". I don't really care if one will win... but the PS3's sales might move the Blu-Ray format toward the front... but not necessarily so much so that the HD-DVD goes down in flames. In the long run, I think we'll see hybrid dual-format players and the obvious single format players (hitting their $100 pricepoint soon), because the market really doesn't have the desire or need to pick a new format over another.

      It's not terrible to have more than one format... one might dominate a period, then the other bounces back with a blockbuster release, and so on. Like the movie "300", which comes out on all 3 current formats. Each version adds their own value to the film... with extras that the other format doesn't have. It's a win-win for us, since competition makes for a better price and choice. Sure it confuses Joe-Sixpack, but he's still got his Goldstar TV from Wal Mart (bought in 1987).. so this is moot for him anyway. :)

      *shrug* Maybe I'm just getting old and movies in general have passed me by. :) (The Road Warrior looked great on Blu-Ray... dunno how it looked on HD-DVD... but it was $19 for each format for a promo price I suppose.... a win for the "war".) ..Now if I could only shove Talledega Nights down Will Farrel's throat... I'd have a great collection of Blu Ray. ;) "I hate Ricky Boobie".

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    4. Re:Well... by Tadrith · · Score: 1

      In some respects, I -am- waiting on the backup industry. I work in the industry (as most do, on Slashdot), and backups are a huge problem for some of my larger small business customers. True enterprise level backups are outside of their price range, and current non-enterprise level technologies don't suit their needs. I agree that I have some odd clients, but it would be nice if the technology existed to provide them with better backups. In my opinion, they should probably accept the fact that they've reached the enterprise level and bite the bullet, but I'm not the one making the checks out, and they certainly aren't going to shell out that much money.

      I would just love to see something as ubiquitous as CDR or DVDR that has a much larger capacity. That would suit me just fine, and suit my customers pretty well, too.

      I suppose it is mostly a matter of time. Eventually, with a little hope, the markets will catch up with each other. :)

    5. Re:Well... by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      $18K sounds like a lot, until you consider it's the same price as a BD drive about 18 months ago.

  6. blah by Is0m0rph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone really buying into BD/HDDVD? I'd rather just watch a HD movie on one my HD movie channels or the occasional $6 rental off the Live Marketplace.

    1. Re:blah by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Yes. After watching Planet Earth in 1080p, I doubt I'll be able to go back. Breathtaking.

    2. Re:blah by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Is that all, I am getting a much higher resolution for Planet Earth!

      But seriously, I am not buying into it, that is for sure. I couldn't care less about each of the formats. Also, I don't want to do anything to increase Microsofts dominance in this world, and I will never buy anything from Sony again. And, I am trying to watch less TV anyway!!

    3. Re:blah by Is0m0rph · · Score: 1

      Yeah but I already saw that on Discovery HD in 1080i and it really was breathtaking. That would be worth owning on HDDVD.

    4. Re:blah by iainl · · Score: 1

      Here in the UK, I don't have access to any HD movie channels or indeed Live Marketplace. So I bought one as soon as they came out. They're oh so very pretty.

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  7. New consoles upconverting old DVDs by SpartacusJones · · Score: 1

    Does the 360 (or the PS3) upconvert regular DVDs to higher resolutions? I can't find anything official either way.

    1. Re:New consoles upconverting old DVDs by AkumaKuruma · · Score: 1

      i dont really care as my tv upconverts EVERYTHING to 1080p for display. more and more GOOD modern HDTVs do this also.

    2. Re:New consoles upconverting old DVDs by dollar99 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I'm no expert but I just googled this article that was posted yesterday. It appears that neither console currently supports it but Sony is currently 'working on it'. Good luck. http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-dvd-upscaling-pr omised-218517.php

    3. Re:New consoles upconverting old DVDs by radish · · Score: 1

      360 does if you're using the VGA connection. It doesn't over component (not allowed to, as with other upconverting players). I assume (though I don't know for sure) that the Elite would upconvert over it's HDMI connection.

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    4. Re:New consoles upconverting old DVDs by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      The PS3 does. Not sure about the 360.

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    5. Re:New consoles upconverting old DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure why you think that article was posted yesterday. If you actually click the link that you posted you can see that it was posted on December 6th, 2006. Check out the one on the same site from May (2007) when that promised upscaling was implemented.

      http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-firmware-180-tom orrow-262852.php

      So yes it does upscale PS2 and DVDs to 1080p and has for a couple months now.

    6. Re:New consoles upconverting old DVDs by donaldm · · Score: 1

      Can't speak for the Xbox360 although from what I can gather the upscaling is done on a chip (can anyone add to this) unlike the PS3's which is done in software, however the PS3 does IMHO a really excellent job of smoothing and upconverting DVD's to 720p, 1080i and 1080p (configurable) via HDMI and depending on your HDTV you can really pick the difference. You only get Standard Definition out if you use component cables though. Do a Google search for "ps3 firmware 1.8" to get more info (1.9 is the latest firmware).

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    7. Re:New consoles upconverting old DVDs by trdrstv · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm no expert but I just googled this article that was posted yesterday. It appears that neither console currently supports it but Sony is currently 'working on it'. Good luck. http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/ps3-dvd-upscaling-pr omised-218517.php

      Both the 360 and PS3 upconvert DVD's (if your system has the latest updates) but only over VGA or HDMI. Upconverters (of any kind) aren't allowed to use component video due to a licencing restriction on the DVD format.

    8. Re:New consoles upconverting old DVDs by Brigade · · Score: 1

      Y'know .. i picked up one a few weeks back, and I have actually yet to try to test this out for certain.

      I do know that DVDs look great (at least 480p) in the Elite, and they actually do look a bit better on the HD Drive .. but I can't confirm that its putting out 720p over HDMI .. but I'm tempted to say that it is (course that could be just component vs. HDMI).

      My roommate and I did get bored and decided to set up my 720p Native LCD (Elite/HDMI/HD Drive) next to his 1080i HDTV (Upscaling DVD Player/DVI) and we synched up The Matrix (DVD vs. HD DVD) .. needless to say the difference was rather dramatic.

      Something I'll have to double-check later on tonight and verify.

  8. Trolls and Orcs by GrayCalx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since most of these HD-DVD / Blu-Ray topics as of late are all flamewars akin to ps3 vs. 360. I thought I'd jump in and try to add some reason.

    I bought the 360 hddvd add-on because I wanted to see what some of these movies were like in 720p (I don't own a 1080p tv). I found a great deal on craigslist and that was really the only reason I bought one. The movies look fantastic; much better than upconverted dvds, and noticeably better than movies on HD channels over Dish Network (from the compression I assume). In addition to the higher quality the way the menu works while watching a dvd is much friendlier (something that always annoyed me about dvds) and they have a new way of presenting some of the extras. NetFlix rents both hd-dvds and Blu-Rays now, so for that and the $100 or so i paid for it, it was a decent buy.

    Obviously there are downsides. I hate playing it through the 360. The fans are noisy (not initially but eventually) and the start-up is a mild annoyance. I don't want to speak out of turn, but I assume I'd have the same problems playing blu-rays through the ps3. Theres just nothing as convenient as a stand-alone player... but theres something to be said for saving $300 when buying into unproven technology.

    There are no "winners/losers" here yet, anyone claiming so is a fan-boi or uninformed. There are still some great movies you can only get on HD-DVD (and vice-versa with Blu-Ray) so people who are fans of those will still gravitate towards their respective studios and what format that studio supports.

    Now with hybrid players appearing I wouldn't be surprised if we see a dual format thats basically invisible to the consumer. In 10 years (or whatever, i'm making an example) the majority of people will own a hybrid player, you'd head to BB or CC and pick up the latest release not even really paying attention to whether it has a Red case or a Blue case.

    Not really sure where I'm going with this. Heh. I'd say if you own a 360, a hd tv and you're into the hd craze. Its only a couple of hundred dollars, its been fun for me and I've probably gotten that much enjoyment out of it. If you don't have an hd-tv, you don't really care about the hd craziness thats been going on, or you don't have $200 to blow on tech that you'll throw away in a few years, I wouldn't even worry about it. You're missing out on a few lines of resolution but nothing you should kick yourself over.

    1. Re:Trolls and Orcs by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      If you know where to look, you can get a stand-alone Toshiba HD-A2 for not much more, and it too is allowed in the five bonus movie mail-in offer, has a decent remote as well. $180 for just a tacky add-on drive in comparison doesn't do it for me. The $200 price was good when it was first launched, $180 now is still kind of an insult.

    2. Re:Trolls and Orcs by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      $180 for just a tacky add-on drive in comparison doesn't do it for me. The benefit of the add-on drive is that it has been well and thoroughly hacked. If you want to rip HD-DVD's - the add-on drive, when added on to your PC, is the way to go.
    3. Re:Trolls and Orcs by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The benefit of the add-on drive is that it has been well and thoroughly hacked. If you want to rip HD-DVD's - the add-on drive, when added on to your PC, is the way to go.


      Which is the reason why I hope HD-DVD lives - it's got less DRM than Blu-Ray, and being able to rip HD-DVD is useful for those who don't want to carry around discs and such.

      Plus the DVD Forum got rid of the bloody region code for HD-DVD (at least, region coding doesn't exist on HD-DVD yet). Sure you can get region hacks, but considering they're not even necessary for HD-DVD...
    4. Re:Trolls and Orcs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a hot summer, so I've got a noise floor to contend with, but even when the AC in my apartment is all completely off the PS3 is quiet enough that I don't hear it during playback. It's faint but audible while paused (I'm about 13 feet away from it with unobstructed line-of-sight, for reference), so a movie with a really quiet section might suffer from it.

      Startup time's another matter. It's never been an issue for me, as I'm always already doing a dozen things at once (or, in the rare occasion I'm not, I have nothing but time on my hands), but the startup is definitely not effectively instant.

    5. Re:Trolls and Orcs by Nyall · · Score: 1

      The ps3 is very quite. I sit ~5 ft from it and don't hear it

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  9. Keep the change.. by Diginosis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    479.99(XBox 360 Elite) + 179.99(HD-DVD) + $99.99(WiFi Adapter) + $49.99 (XBOX Live 12 Month Subscription)= $800 Thanks for the extra 20 dollars....

    1. Re:Keep the change.. by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why spend $100 on Wifi? If you're not right beside your router (I like wired connections when I'm close enough anyways) just buy a $40 access point, a $20 switch, and you've not only saved $40 but with that hardware behind your TV you can connect ALL your consoles (and any other network enabled device) back to your router without having to worry about individual wifi adapters.

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    2. Re:Keep the change.. by band-aid-brand · · Score: 1

      Sounds like someone is upset they bought a ps3 and/or bluray player

    3. Re:Keep the change.. by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of reasons to have a wireless console. Cat5 isn't very attractive looking anywhere in the living room, and many people have PCs outside the living room. I generally agree with you though, console accessories are so heavily marked up, it's easy to justify DIY workarounds like you suggested.

  10. What's so hard? by Dorceon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Everyone who ever told you Casablanca was a chick flick is an idiot. There's only so much time a movie can spend with guns being pointed at people (with or without them being fired) and still be considered a chick flick. Casablanca far exceeds that amount.

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  11. Useful as a PC Drive by harryk · · Score: 1

    Well, I guess I could use this as a PC drive. I had looked previously at this, and the price-drop as well as the movies is atleast a little enticing.

    However, looking at the posted PDF for the Toshiba rebate (assuming a similar plan) the movies are a little thin on selection.

    But ... still ... something to look at, and thats speaking as someone who owns a PS3 with only 1 BR movie (yea, taledaga nights)

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  12. I don't even care about the games being on HD-DVD by goldcd · · Score: 1

    just if I could use it instead of the cyclone sounding drive in my 360 I'd be happy.
    Actually what I'd really like is just being able to cache and spool games of the faster, quieter HD - ignore my post - as you were.

  13. I don't think you really understand the point by hudsonhawk · · Score: 1

    ...of upconversion.

    The reason upconversion on the player side makes sense is because it happens in the digital domain. Whereas if you go over component and have your TV upconvert it, it's lossier - it has to go to analog and then back to digital again and then gets upconverted.

    Past that it just becomes a matter of which thing is better at conversion, your player or your TV.

    The main gain from upconverting players is that they force you to use a 100% digital connection.

    1. Re:I don't think you really understand the point by trdrstv · · Score: 1

      ...of upconversion.

      The reason upconversion on the player side makes sense is because it happens in the digital domain. Whereas if you go over component and have your TV upconvert it, it's lossier - it has to go to analog and then back to digital again and then gets upconverted.

      Past that it just becomes a matter of which thing is better at conversion, your player or your TV.

      The main gain from upconverting players is that they force you to use a 100% digital connection.

      The 360 does DVD upconverting over a VGA (analog) connection.

  14. Already Implemented by Nazmun · · Score: 1

    The promised implementation of upscaling in that old ps3 article has already been done like two months ago. Both DVD's and older ps2 games are upscaled.

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  15. who wants to see porn in HD? by LKM · · Score: 1

    Most actors are ugly enough in stanrdard definition. Or so I heard :-)

  16. How to kill Sony's PS3, permqnently by nonos · · Score: 1

    add HD-DVD reading capabilities and HD output to the wii.

  17. Re: a $55 HD DVD player? by trdrstv · · Score: 1

    You save $20 (10%) and get over $100-worth of movies. So the saving is substantial (if you want the movies).

    That's how I would value them as the movies are $20 on Amazon (and that's where I buy them), but it should be noted the HD DVD's MSRP are $25 so the potential savings is $125 in movies... (If of course you want them...) which would make the player $55.