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Brian May, Rock Legend, Soon-To-Be Astrophysicist

xPsi writes "Brian May, the guitarist for the legendary rock band Queen (age 60), has finally decided to submit his Ph.D. thesis in astrophysics. The title is 'Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud.' From the article: 'May was studying astrophysics at Imperial College when he formed Queen with singer Freddie Mercury and drummer Roger Taylor in 1970. He dropped his doctorate research into interstellar dust as the band met with increasing success.' And, hey, if this whole Rock-n-Roll thing doesn't pan out, at least he'll have something to fall back on."

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  1. At last! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    He may get to meet some chicks!

    1. Re:At last! by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Funny

      His ultimate goal, though, is to get his buddy Elton to be a Rocket Man, and get David Bowie up into his tin can, high above the world.

    2. Re:At last! by Mallory+Weiss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hardly. Brian used to have an inferiority complex of truly astronomical proportions about his appearance... as for meeting chicks... thanks to his total lack of any dating skills, one of the best Queen songs was written - White Queen (well, technically, it was written before Queen was formed, but it appears on band's 2nd album, cause Smile never recorded it...) http://youtube.com/watch?v=hyQZ1QOtJA8

  2. Studies by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rock on... \m/ \m/

    It is never too late for scholarly accomplishment and is encouraging to see folks go back to finish work begun many years prior or even to begin studies later than would be traditionally done. I'd like to think that if I can achieve a certain financial independence that I'd complete a second Ph.D. later in life in a field completely unrelated to the one I am working in now. Perhaps something cool like history...

    On top of that, perhaps Dr. May's degree will help focus a little positive attention on science given that many in politics these days seem to have made us scientists out to be the boogey man/woman.

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    1. Re:Studies by largesnike · · Score: 5, Funny

      \m/ \m/ is that the rear view of two swimmers about to dive into a pool?
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    2. Re:Studies by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You must be an American.

      Well, that is one of the most ignorant things I've heard today... Am I misunderstanding the sentiment or just what is it that you are trying to say?

      I've never seen why people feel they need a "second" PhD.

      It is not about the piece of paper that says PhD. Rather, it is the level of accomplishment that the doctorate represents.

      So in fact what you really want to do is read for a BA (or BSc) in a new area - just do it at a good university (which unfortunately rules out most).

      Actually, well run doctorate programs provide not just the place for students to learn at, but other individuals/colleagues/mentors in that field of study who can challenge you and help direct your studies far beyond what is available to most undergraduate departments. The academic rigor of doctoral programs far surpasses the more casual familiarity with material and the expectations are much higher as well which is what many folks who love learning are after, particularly if the field of their interest is far away from their area of formal training.

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    3. Re:Studies by deftcoder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I realize that you were being humorous, but it's worth mentioning regardless.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corna#Rock_and_Heavy_ Metal_Music

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    4. Re:Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm afraid I have to concur with the other poster. As someone with a doctorate myself, I really don't see why you would need a second PhD. There is really no need to attempt a new PhD - your previous one should allow you to move straight into other fields and start producing immediately.

      If the field is very different, you can always do a DipGrad or equivalent (something to bring you up to speed). Really, at the point of holding a PhD, you should be capable of taking a year or two of preparation at most, and then working at a postdoctoral level.

      (And I somewhat agree with the "you must be American" jibe of the other poster's as well ;) The only place I see mention of multiple PhD holders is in American fiction such as television and Hollywood movies. I'm sure some people go for it. But it seems more of an exercise in intellectual wankery than a proper application of one's abilities.)

    5. Re:Studies by norton_I · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think what he is saying, which you have either missed or ignored completely is that once you have a PhD you should be a (possibly junior) partner, not a student with a mentor. A PhD is a research degree, and the purpose is to train you to learn things that nobody knows. Once reach that level, the field matters less--as long as you have solid knowledge of the fundamentals (i.e., at a bachelors or masters level). Hence the car analogy.

    6. Re:Studies by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You mean because I have a PhD in English I can qualify to work as a postdoc physicist in only 2 years?

      Look out, Stephen Hawking! I got my god particle hanging right here.

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    7. Re:Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a PhD in English

      You can't be American, as no yank should get anything in English until they can spell centre correctly

    8. Re:Studies by sayfawa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. Maybe it was like that in times past, but not today. Even in the UK a PhD does include learning about specific things. Not only would my group never hire someone without a PhD specifically in physics (possibly physical chemistry), they wouldn't hire someone without experience specifically in laser cooling (which you won't get in any undergrad program). A person with a bachelor's degree in physics and a PhD in social work would be completely useless to us.

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    9. Re:Studies by Provocateur · · Score: 3, Funny

      You must be an American

      Damn, that's a requirement for a second PhD?!

      Oh wait...

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    10. Re:Studies by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's still messed up. Instead, I see a little silhouetto of a man.

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    11. Re:Studies by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      If you go for post-graduate studies, it's because you've learned far too much about far too little to cope in the world, so you seek funding to stay on campus for a longer period of time. Some people even manage to stay on campus their entire life.
      You've described me to a "T".

      Loving it, by the way.
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    12. Re:Studies by sayfawa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they have a PhD in something other than physics, and they have the appropriate experience, then yes, they would get hired by my group. My point is that, today, that required experience comes with the physics PhD. The PhD is not something where you just improve your research techniques. There are important things that you learn during your PhD that do not get taught in undergrad and don't get taught in the grad studies of other fields.

      So yes, I agree technically that it's not what one's PhD is in that's important, it's what one knows. But the fact is, no one without a PhD in physics (or physical chemistry) would have the experience that our group would require, especially when compared to other job candidates who did do their PhD in physics. My group not hiring someone without a physics PhD is not a failing on the part of my group, it's just a practical realization of that fact.

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    13. Re:Studies by IHateEverybody · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From the article it seems his thesis is on interstellar dust which is a pretty hot topic among astronomers right now. It's also a topic which requires use of big infrared telescopes which have come into common usage in the recent years. Personally I'm jealous, the man is on cutting edge in every field of endeavour.

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  3. He recently released a book as well. by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 5, Insightful


    http://www.banguniverse.com/

    How cool is it that after all of the concerts, the world tours, the money, that he completes a life project like this?

    How many people that attain the level that Queen rose to, would just spend their time spending the money?

    I think it's awesome that he's going to finish up.

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    1. Re:He recently released a book as well. by xenocide2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Plus, whenever my advisor asks when my thesis draft will be ready, I'll have a nice standard to fall back to for guidance!

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    2. Re:He recently released a book as well. by jgrahn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How cool is it that after all of the concerts, the world tours, the money, that he completes a life project like this? How many people that attain the level that Queen rose to, would just spend their time spending the money?

      Or worse, re-form Queen with some twit replacing Freddie ...

    3. Re:He recently released a book as well. by hughk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the early days, Queen had a bit of a rep as the intellectuals of rock. I had a friend who looked after the significant others of Queen whilst they were touring Germany many years ago and she maintained occasional contact over the years. Apparently other than Freddie who was absolutely bonkers but a brilliant artist, the rest of the band were very friendly with stable families and seemed quite normal.

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  4. Best Quote from TFA by Oyume · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Earlier this month, the writer of such Queen hits as "We Will Rock You" and "Fat Bottomed Girls" was granted an honorary doctorate from Exeter University in Devon, England."

    Because nothing says "academic" like singing "Fat Bottomed Girls" at the next Faculty Meeting...

  5. Oh dear... by Bazman · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder if the physics department here will be expecting me to finish mine, 17 years after the funding ran out and now several years after the detector shut down... Now, maybe if they have my data on backup tapes and there's a spare Vax 11/750 going...

  6. Re:He can still think! by Tim_UWA · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are you kidding? How else can you get through a PhD in physics?

  7. Re:Cool by hoover · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think one of the contributing factors to be considered is that he's rather well off financially, won't have to work another single day in his life again and is basically free to do as he damn well pleases. I think in such circumstances, quite a few older people would be able to finish their studies, especially in a field that has become a life-long passion (which is rather the norm with astronomers than an exception). Kudos for Brian May for pulling this one off though, it's hard work even *with* a lot of passion involved.

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  8. Nothing really matters, Anyone can see ... by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing really matters
    Nothing really matters to me

    Any way the stellar wind blows ...

  9. Buckaroo Banzai by Rick17JJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It sounds like he is a real life Buckaroo Banzai, like in the 1984 movie "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension." Buckaroo Banazi was a rock star, particle physicist, neurosurgeon, and race car driver. So, it really is possible to do all that! That was the movie where Earth was invaded by aliens flew around in space ships which looked like giant sea shells.

    Buckaroo Banzai

    1. Re:Buckaroo Banzai by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 2, Funny

      He is also a cow-bell enthusiast.

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    2. Re:Buckaroo Banzai by RobynUofA · · Score: 2, Informative

      Peter Weller, of Buckaroo Banzai (and Robocop) fame, is an athlete, a jazz musician and a professor of Roman and Renaissance art at Syracuse University. No word yet on race car driving.

      Peter Weller

  10. He also built his own guitar ... from a fireplace by permaculture · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Brian May's a bit of a hacker. Most of his music was played on a guitar he built himself.

    For example: "The tremolo system is made from an old hardened-steel knife-edge shaped into a V and two motorbike valve springs to counter the string tension."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Special

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  11. Reminds me of Richard Feynman... by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Instead of a party animal and physicist who spent a lot of time drumming, here's a drummer who's taken advantage of the world around him, and is contributing to man's exploration of astrophysics. Very cool.

    Oh, and if you're ever interested in a superb read about a real life nerd superstar, check out "Surely, You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!"

    Ryan Fenton

  12. I have a New Role Model . . . by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...for late PhD submission.

  13. Re:He can still think! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Acid is pretty much the drug least likely to fry your brain...

    Anyway, the most common - and probably most destructive - drug used by musicians is...alcohol!

  14. Re:He can still think! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    He never really dabbed into drugs, nor did most of the band (from what I've read...)

    Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_May quote -
    "...May dislikes smoking, even to the point where he specifically prohibits smoking indoors at his more recent concerts."

    As well as
    "His avoidance of alcohol can be traced to an early concert where Queen played with the band Aerosmith, and May had a conversation with fellow guitarist Joe Perry backstage. Perry brought out a bottle of whisky, which the two drank between themselves. May felt so unpleasant during the concert that he promised himself never to have more than one drink before playing."

  15. and at graduation... by maryjanecapri · · Score: 2, Funny

    he'll be the commencement speaker and play "We are the champions" AND he'll get paid royalties for it.

    this is great. Queen was an amazing group. to think that Brian May had that in him as well? Very nice.

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  16. Rockers and science Ph.D.'s not uncommon by hoto0301 · · Score: 2, Informative

    May will soon join the ranks of Ph.D.-holding rockers including Milo Aukerman of the Descendents and Greg Graffin of Bad Religion. Dexter Holland of The Offspring was a Ph.D. candidate as well; unfortunately he did not complete his degree.

    Many kudos to May, as his musical talent has been a gift to the world. Similarly, he will give outstanding contributions to the scientific community in the future.

  17. Re:He also built his own guitar ... from a firepla by Basje · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course, back then, that was quite a bit of money for a teenage boy.

    Equivalent to about GBP250 US$500 in today's economy, according to this calculator.

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  18. not quite by oohshiny · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree that a second Ph.D. is pointless for the reasons you say, however...

    So in fact what you really want to do is read for a BA (or BSc) in a new area - just do it at a good university (which unfortunately rules out most).

    No, to get started in a new field you want to take MA or MSc courses in a new area; the BA/BSc is supposed to prepare you for graduate study in general. Or just read the books and watch the lectures on-line.

  19. 39 and Time Dilation by TomHandy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Since no-one's mentioned it, the Brian May song for Queen, '39', is about time dilation, although in a subtle way. That is, he composed it about the idea of some space travelers leaving earth on a mission, taking a year in their time, but when they return to Earth, 100 years have passed.

    http://woodside.blogs.com/cosmologycuriosity/2006/ 05/queens_39_and_r.html

    http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/04/26/relatively-pl easant/

  20. Not interstellar... probably by davecl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The zodiacal dust is actually dust in our own solar system - you can see it at dawn and dusk as the zodiacal light. However, one suggestion in Brian May's thesis is that there may be a component of the zodiacal dust that is interstellar. It's something that future observations he's proposing could test.

    It's interesting to note that very little has been done on the zodiacal light since he started his PhD work in the early 70s. However, the next generation of cosmic microwave background satellites like Planck will need improved knowledge of foreground dust so that its contaminating emission can be removed. This has added new interest and impetus to the kind of studies that Brian May is resurrecting.

  21. Not the only one... by evilquaker · · Score: 2, Informative

    For example, the bass player and singer of French death metal band Carcariass has a PhD in CS, and publishes research on distributed numerical techniques. Not only that, he's been working and publishing while the band has been releasing new CDs...

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  22. Re:He also built his own guitar ... from a firepla by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FTA:Greg Fryer, an Australian guitar luthier, produced 3 copies of the Red Special in 1996/97 with permission from May, who allowed Fryer to x-ray the body for information on the internal cavities in the body, taking exhaustive body measurements for CAD/CAM reproduction, Fryer named his three replicas John, Paul and George. May has 2 of these guitars, John and George while Fryer kept Paul, which was built with slightly different tone woods for a "more aggressive edge" tonally, for himself.

    I found this statement odd, since I have always found May's sound to be extremely aggressive and forward. Kind of the antithesis of Mark Knopfler. IMHO, the Queen songs that have turned into sports anthems (We Will Rock You, We are the Champions), have some of the most aggressive guitar riffs in any music.

  23. Re:Dissertation not Thesis by ahab_2001 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry, what you're saying is a bit misleading. While the opus that leads ultimately to a Ph.D. is formally called a dissertation, it is colloquially (and almost universally, in the program that I was in) referred to as a thesis, by people who are actually in the thick of doing it: "Christ, I'm *never* going to finish this *$&#! thesis."

    Websters defines thesis (definition 4) as: "a dissertation embodying results of original research and especially substantiating a specific view; especially : one written by a candidate for an academic degree."

    Kind of a pointless post, I know, but I thought I'd mention it . . . And, from an aging Ph.D. holder to an even older candidate: Hooray for you, Brian May! What a kickass (and inspiring) story. Apparently, 60 really *is* the new 30 . . .

  24. Re:He also built his own guitar ... from a firepla by Bemopolis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, but his guitar pick only cost him sixpence.

    I hope that the seven of you who get that joke enjoyed it.

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  25. we will, we will Doc you by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 2, Funny

    we will, we will Doc you

  26. M.D. /Ph.D. by OldBaldGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The only place I see mention of multiple PhD holders is in American fiction such as television and Hollywood movies.

    I take it you don't do much clinical medical research? The M.D./Ph.D. combo is not uncommon there. The M.D.'s usually have done a residency/passed the specialist boards, too.

  27. His thesis by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm told the working title for his thesis was The Orbital Mechanics of Fat-Bottomed Girls: Making the Rockin' World Go 'Round.

  28. Brian May's current work by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Every British astro-geek knows who Patrick Moore is. Mad monocled xylophone-playing astronomer, who has presented the programme The Sky at Night since the days when we didn't even know what the other side of the Moon looked like. This show is an institution. Generations of astronomers grew up watching it. Every other science show on the BBC has dumbed down into nonsense - apocalypse of the week shows, mostly. The Sky at Night on the other hand is a proper old-fashioned science show.

    Patrick Moore is extremely old and sooner or later will permanently stop presenting the show. Brian May is appearing on the show more and more frequently as time goes by. Someone is needed who (a) knows astronomy and physics thoroughly enough to maintain standards, and who (b) can hold the attention of an audience. I spy a candidate...

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