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DeLorean to Come Back (Sorta)
Alcibaides writes "DeLorean Motor Company, a suburban Houston company that rebuilds DeLoreans, is laying plans to bring the car back into limited production. The last DeLorean rolled off the assembly line in Northern Ireland in 1982. But like Duran Duran, the Rubik's Cube and other Reagan-era icons, the car retains a following. Of the 9,000 built in 1981 and 1982, about 6,500 are still on the road, according to James Espey, vice president of DeLorean Motor."
the new production run has the flux compensator as standard issue now ;)
If this were true we'd already be inundated with DeLoreans now, coming back in time to visit the momentous occassion when they decided to make them again.
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Don't forget the DeLorean Car Show next summer. I'm not a DeLorean owner (or even a fan, really), but I think it'll be fun to see so many DeLoreans gathered in one place.
Is the hoverboard an option? I only want one when I can get a stock hoverboard to go with it!
.. to make the bodyshell corrode faster, to conform with the trend for everything to be made as craply as possible out of the worst materials.
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I think the last half dozen or so that were produced were factory painted. If you saw one of those, then you saw something truly rare. If it was an aftermarket thing, too bad. keytohwy
why not do it properly and use modern underpinnings, instead of the crappy engine and gearbox of the original? ISTR the suspension wasn't any good either, so change that as well. The shape may be iconic, but a good car, it wasn't.
There's one for sale in the Bremerton, WA area right now. It's fairly good condition. $24k.
I loved the styling. I hope they keep it, and even make the parts so they can be used on the older cars.
However, with the 6 cylinder in the original, it was underpowered. I'd like to see a nice V8 jammed under the hood as an option.
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A very common argument with my wife goes something like this: "Mark my words honey: I will have a DeLorean DMC-12 before I die!" "Where the hell are you going to find one?" "Uhhh" [tries to think of creative time-traveling solution] Thank you Slashdot. I think I may have finally won a fight! Bringing the total score to 1-189,203. Yes! Now, let's see if you bastards can handle 90...
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They do quite well for themselves. Not really news though.
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Buick turbo might be a better fit.
I love those things too, and if I weren't an unemployed college student, I'd be trying to get my hands on one.
IIRC, only the US versions (which were probably the majority) were severely underpowered. The European ones weren't exactly speed demons either, but they had around 170 hp as opposed to the 120 hp in the American ones. 170 hp is actually a pretty good result for a 2.8l engine from the early 80s. Our '85 Ford Scorpio had a 2.8l Cologne V6 which produced around 150 hp. And for additional comparison, the Porsche 924 ranged from 110 hp in early US models to 170 in the '88 Turbo version. This power reduction, as well as softer and higher suspension (and the 85mph speedo!) were appearantly a result of idiotic federal regulations at the time.
Still, more powere is (almost) never a bad idea though, so I'd love to see something more powerful in the new DMC.
The way I see it, if you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?
It's slow and heavy. It's grossly underpowered. It's nothing like a 'sports car' as the article ignorantly claims. Even if brought back, it's unlikely its styling would survive the major rehashing it would undergo to avoid offending the sensibilities of the modern automobile consumer. And then there are all the safety considerations which would likely change the chassis in significant ways. No, whatever car is brought back, it won't be your father's DeLorean. That might be a good thing.
So some people do actually read the articles then?
Hey, even with a six cylinder, it could still get up to 88 miles per hour without to much trouble, provided you had gas.
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This guy put a Mazda 20B into his Delorean, twice the power of the stock V6, plus it's smooooooth. Instead of the same underpowered old engine, put an engine in that the car deserves.
I'm sure in 1985 gasoline is available at every corner drugstore, but in this century it's a little hard to come by.
Very true. Most of the issues with the car were due to the unskilled labor force assembling the vehicles, though. Not necessarily because of poor design (remember Lotus had a hand in designing them). By the time the linen workers got the knack of it, DMC was out of business. That being said, you can still order brand-new parts rescued the original factory inventory. Right down the composite frame.
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I'm pretty sure they didn't have any engine under the hood...
(Rear engine, folks.)
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When Marty goes back to 1885 he's got Mr. Fusion, but they can't return to 1985 right away because he ripped a fuel line when he arrived-- so all the gasoline leaks out of the car and there's no way to replace it in 1885 Hill Valley.
Hence the whole 'stealing the train' bit.
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I guess not many posters here actually owned one. I had one for about 3 years in the late '80s, and am something of a car geek (I recently owned a 1995 BMW M5 Station Wagon, for example). Anyway, after reading the posting here, I feel the need to provide more accurate information about the car. The following are in no particular order.
Mobyy_6kl was basically right about the engine: The US saw a detuned version of the PVR 2.8L V6, though in US trim it's peak output was rated at 130hp (not 120) and ~165 lb-ft.
One important thing to realize is the state of automotive engineering at the time the DeLorean was sold. If you compare it to the cars being manufactured and sold today, things look very different.
While today's economy cars have engines as powerful as the DeLorean's; In 1982, there were only 4 car models being sold that were rated as having over 200 peak horsepower. Only 4. Today, virtually every family sedan has more power than that. DeLorean One now sells a tuned and upgraded version of the very same engine that puts out around 195 hp.
The build quality of "exotic" cars has drastically changed since the time of the DeLorean. For it's time, the quality, and fit-and-finish (of the later build cars especially) of the DeLorean were very good. If you ever go look at an exotic car from that era, say a Ferrari 308, look carefully at the interior and panels, check the gaps and how straight the lines and seams are. Examine the switchgear. The Ferrari of the time was not much better than a kit car, and can't compare the build quality of today's "exotics". We can thank very rapid technology and quality advancement, not to mention the Acura NSX for giving the rest of the industry a lesson on build quality and reliability.
The DeLorean was envisioned as more of a Luxury/Grand Touring coupe than a pure performance car. It also has its roots in a 1970's safety car design.
A lot of parts were sourced from other manufacturers, making service interesting and sometimes much less expensive than it otherwise would be. The 'backbone' the car sits on is from Lotus (Lotus Esprit) as well as the windshield. The brakes/pads were from the same company that was supplying Jaguar at the time. The A/C system was a GM/Delco unit, same as on some Cadillacs. And so on...
Though underpowered, the handling was good for the time, especially considering its 65/35 rear weight distribution (it was a true rear-engine car, not mid-engine). Lotus, whose engineering group is still doing chassis tuning for other car companies today, is responsible for the DeLoreans handling. Note the rear tires were larger than the fronts. Try tossing around a Fiero to see the difference the engineering makes. The brakes were pretty good for their time (pre ABS/Monster rotor size).
Build Quality and reliability increased with production (VIN) number. The first thousand or so cars had to be extensively re-worked when they arrived in the USA to fix manufacturing and design errors. Later cars were bolted together much, much better. And I do mean bolter. I swear that you could almost completely tear down a DeLorean with just a 10mm socket wrench. Also, there were about 2200 design changes (big and small) from the first car to the last one off the line. I know several late '81s that had over 100,000 miles put on them without needing excessive maintenance.
Most of the DeLoreans were 1981 models, with a few '82 and '83 models. The DeLorean plant shut down and restarted near the end. Early '81s had black interiors, and the rest had Grey (a big improvement IMHO). For the '82s and '83s you could get the Black interior as an option. It was a comfy car to ride in. I had passengers fall asleep on me several times.
None of the cars was ever painted at the factory. All painted cars were done aftermarket. The thick type 304 Stainless Steel panels had an epoxy coating and were designed to last at least 25 years. At the time of the DeLorean's design, most cars still regul
On a mid- or rear-engine car the hood is in back, and the trunk is in front. The engine is still under the hood, it's just that the hood isn't where you're used to it being.
They were not. There were no cars painted at the factory.
The stainless panels were brushed *then* stamped. so basicly, if you get into an accident youll NEVER get that grain right ever again, so you paint it.
1978 Porsche 911 Turbo (930) - 320 hp
1982 Porsche 928 - 220 hp
1982 Ferrari Mondial 8 - 205 hp
1982 Ferrari 308 - 240 hp
1982 Ferrari 512 BBi (Boxer) - 340 hp
1982 Lamborghini Countach - 375 hp
1982 Lamborghini Jalpa - 255 hp
1982 Jaguar XJS - 262 hp
1982 Aston Martin V8 Volante - 263 hp
DeLoreans are the only car to have snow tires mounted on all four wheels as standard equipment.
DeLoreans have chronic alignment problems. They always veer toward the white line.
The best fashion statement of the era was to own a DeLorean with license plates made by John himself.
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It's a heavy car but lots of guys are swapping in the 3800SC engine out of the bonnevilles and Grand AM GTP's and making the delorean into the car it was supposed to be. Even though they are heavy when you dump in 260hp stock you get quite a kick in the pants on that car.
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That is not what mid-engine means. Corvettes are mid-engined cars and have been for decades. Mid-engine to an engineer means the center of gravity is between the front and rear axles. Many shade-tree mechanics who want to build performance trucks build custom crossmembers and engine mounts to move the powertrain's center of gravity back to improve handling and acceleration characteristics. In marketing terms, "mid-engine" has become a colloquialism for rear-mounted engines, but cars such as the Porsche 911 are not mid-engine - the engine's center of gravity is behind the rear axle. The Porsche 928 and 968 were mid-engine despite the engine's being in front of the cabin.
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"though I'm sure that newer cars have a lot less nasties coming out of the tailpipe due to the emissions systems they have (the weight of which is part of the reason why newer cars are heavier and..."
The 1976-1985 Honda Accords (generation's 1 and 2) used a CVCC engine which required no catalytic converter to meet California emissions circa the late 1990s. I'm not a US citizen and haven't had a chance to find out of these regulations changed, but there you have it. I still have a working 1984 Honda Accord. It's old, carb'd, rusted, and gets 27-29mpg if you drive it right (which means don't jack-rabbit every light, otherwise you get low 20s). It still is the most expensive car I've ever owned, at $900 in purchase price. Beyond a heavy tune up and periodic oil changes, it runs just fine.
I don't see why a lot of people have a fascination with newer cars. They're more expensive and, at least with regards to the domestics, seem a lot more prone to falling apart. My Accords (I have a couple since they're cheap and fun to drive) have a better maintenance record than the Oldsmobile Alero my friend recently rid himself of. I'd love to have higher fuel economy (the Accords only get the mid to high 20s in the city, although they get mid 30s to 40 on the highway), but I'd have to get a CRX or a Festiva to enjoy that. I pulled up Gnumeric and calculated that were I get to get a Honda Insight (which gets 50 mpg-ish in the city), I'd have to own the car for about 64 years, during which I'd have no money to pay for maintenance, nor would I be able to do anything else to it, if I wanted to make back the $20,000+ on its purchase price vs. the gas savings over my old Accords.
It's a lot cheaper to buy an old Japanese car, replace any broken parts and also maintain it by replacing all the consumables + replacing its fluid, and then keep to a regular maintenance schedule. It's so much cheaper, you can have two just in case one decides to not work!
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My next-door neighbor's pal had one of these cars, roughly 20 years ago. I was too young to drive but I did get to see it up close.
The OUTSIDE of the car looked awesome.
The inside of the car looked rather like it was home-made. Instead of the contoured flush-fitting panels that even cheap cars had back then, it was all square-cut panels. Granted they were covered in fair-quality leather, but the interior did look rather clunky.
And as others have mentioned, the US version had a lower-end engine. The guy told me that it would only go about 120 mph tops, which was surprising because (for what they cost new) I'd thought they were much faster than that.
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