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Apple Updates iMac, iLife, .Mac

Apple just announced new iMacs. They are aluminum and come in 20" (two models) and 24". There's a new view called "Events" in iPhoto that should make it easier to deal with large photo libraries. Apple's .Mac service is enhanced with .Mac Web Gallery, which integrates with the new iTunes and also the iPhone. It's a Web 2.0 app now. And iMovie is being replaced by a completely new app of the same name. Steve Jobs claimed that with it you can put together a 5-minute movie in 30 minutes, and he demo'ed that from the stage. iWeb, iDVD, and GarageBand get new features too. And .Mac subscribers get 10 GB of storage. Here is Engadget's blow-by-blow coverage, and Wired's.

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  1. Finally by Lockejaw · · Score: 4, Funny

    And .Mac subscribers get 10 GB of storage.
    Yay, now there's enough space to actually put something there!
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    1. Re:Finally by coren2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Idrive will give you 150G of storage for $49.95/year

      http://www.idrive.com/pricing.htm

    2. Re:Finally by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think you're putting one and one together there.

      The wireless keyboard IS FOR the Apple TV. They just haven't announced it yet.

      The wired keyboard is for when you're sitting right in front of your iMac.

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  2. Re:I, for one, welcome our... by radicalskeptic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    not yet convinced by that keyboard.

    You know, I was thinking the same thing.

    A lot of people dislike the MacBook keyboards. They look nice, but the keys don't travel far enough for some people, which messes up the tactile feedback. And these new keyboards look very similar to the MacBook keyboards, plus they're extremely thin, which would also suggest a short travel distance for the keys.

    But of course, until I check them out next week at the Apple store, it's all speculation.

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  3. That time of the year again by hcdejong · · Score: 4, Funny

    "On the morning of Steve Jobs's keynote presentation, the online Apple store grinds to a halt as Mac-heads set their browsers to refresh every 15 seconds."

    (from the Apple Product Life Cycle)

  4. Geez by iamdrscience · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can we wait until the press event is over before an article is posted about it? At present isn't there still a product on stage under black cloth? Have you ever known something hidden underneath a cloak of black cloth to not be important?

    1. Re:Geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have you ever known something hidden underneath a cloak of black cloth to not be important?
      Windows Vista.
    2. Re:Geez by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you ever known something hidden underneath a cloak of black cloth to not be important?

      Goths.

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  5. It's a Web 2.0 app now... by Biff+Stu · · Score: 5, Funny

    But is it backwards compatible with Web 1.0?

    Some of us Luddites are a bit slow to upgrade.

  6. I got a small chuckle from.... by Schnoogs · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...this quote. "There are some people who still want to make DVDs" I guess these's a fringe movement of people who want to cater to the 100 million or so DVD players out there! ;) Someone tell these people that DVD is soooooooooooo last year! Other than that everything looked pretty solid.

  7. Mac mini refreshed today too by phalse+phace · · Score: 3, Informative

    In case someone's wondering, the Mac mini will be refreshed today. This was mentioned during their Q & A. But there was no mention of any specs.

    1. Re:Mac mini refreshed today too by phalse+phace · · Score: 5, Informative

      Specs on Apple's site now:

      1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
      1GB memory
      80GB hard drive1

      Ships: Within 24 hours
      Free Shipping
      $599.00

      ---------

      2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
      1GB memory
      120GB hard drive1

      Ships: Within 24 hours
      Free Shipping
      $799.00

  8. Wow, does he really talk like that? by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 4, Funny

    Talk short. No long sentence. Simple words. Over soon. Screw verbs. Noun adjective. Adjective noun. Noun, noun, noun. And, articles! So, no prepositions. Adverbs bad. Baaaad adverbs, no-no-no. See Dick run. Run, Dick run!

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    1. Re:Wow, does he really talk like that? by e4g4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Jobs talks fast. Much info to convey, little time. Drop most possible words w/o losing meaning. Called "liveblogging".

      Unless, of course, you can read/write stenographer's shorthand. Otherwise, I see no other way of of relaying the Stevenote, given that live audio and video wasn't an option.

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  9. A few thoughts by JamesRose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    first quote: "What about AMD chips?"

    Steve: "We use Intel chips"

    hehehe, sounded a li'l like the intel chip implanted into his head kicked in there.

    second, why is the imac so underpowered in the RAM department, I mean the specs in one of the pictures showed the iMacs, all the way up to the biggest $1800 version only has 1gig- with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?

    Finally, is it just me, or have they slighyl repackaged everything, made no huge advances, like for example, why did they bother to minimize a keyboard, which for someone like me, would just be annoying. iLife? It's had nothing added, they just repackaged every single feature, and when asked why .mac doesn't support HD Jobs goes- Well, we do support HD, well actually slightly less than HD- you know what I call not quite HD- NOT HD! Everything just seemed a little small fry.

    1. Re:A few thoughts by reidconti · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My 2.66Ghz quad-core Mac Pro only has 1GB RAM. It's not really intentional, I just didn't want to pay $300 for another gig of FB-DIMMs when I bought it last August; figured I'd skip the Apple Tax and buy it third-party.

      Then I found out third-party companies were selling it for the same absurd price.

      So I told myself I'd wait a few months for the price to drop, since it would inevitably fall like a rock when more companies started shipping the Core 2 Extreme with chipsets requiring FB-DIMMs. Then it was announced that the FB-DIMM wasn't going to be on Intel's future roadmap.. d'oh!

      Prices haven't dropped like a rock, but slowly declined instead.. now I can get 4GB for around $300.

      But the thing is, the system doesn't really need it. I admit that it's already total overkill for what I use it for, but I was rewarding myself for using my 600Mhz iBook G3 for 5 years, including all thru college, and that maxed out at 640MB. With Tiger, and a bunch of widgets running, yeah, I can feel when it starts swapping -- usually at about the 15th Safari window or so. However, the system is so damn fast -- and I'm running RAID 0 on my main volume -- that the swapping is really just a minor annoyance. I keep finding better things to spend money on than more memory for my already blazing fast computer.

      So, to make a long story short, 1GB is plenty for a "desktop" Mac. Most users would be much better served by 2GB, but most users would ALSO be much better served by Apple bundling as little possible so that the buyer can choose whether they want to install the RAM themselves, or have Apple do it.

    2. Re:A few thoughts by adisakp · · Score: 4, Informative

      with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?

      AFAIK, Window's PC manaufacturers usually put in 1 GB now with an option to get 2 GB or more. Usually 2GB costs you an extra $100-200 and 4GB cost you an extra arm, leg, and testicle.

      Even if you give up a 'nad for the 4GB, Windows PC's will only use 3 GB when 4 GB is installed unless you're willing to do a lot of extra configuration and you buy the correct hardware. We got a bunch of new Dells at work a couple months ago. All of them came with 4 GB. But when you boot into Windows XP Pro, only 3 GB is visible. I tried all the hacks to get more -- with certain MB and hardware configs, it is possible to get up to 3.5GB with a bit of hacking your OS configuration but 3GB is the most you can get unless you know all your hardware components will memory map into the top 0.5 GB (and unfortunately the Dells we got only do 3GB on 32-bit Windows). There is no way to get an ACTUAL USABLE 4GB in Windows without going to one of the 64-bit versions of Windows and with all the memory and driver issues there, you're not gaining anything on a consumer machine.

    3. Re:A few thoughts by niktemadur · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have upgraded my old G3 iMac a few times, and that was complicated...

      Complicated as in disassembling the shell, depending on the model, but not complicated as in having to use special equipment, as all you need are a screwdriver (preferably magnetic), maybe a Leatherman toolkit (specifically the pincers), precautions to avoid static electricity, as well as a visual guide: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/.

      Going one notch further, when I upgraded the hard disk on my Indigo G3 http://www.faqintosh.com/risorse/en/guides/hw/imac /imacg3dvhd/, it was a nerve-wracking thought to take apart an additional level of parts, but after the job was done, I was amazed at how simple a procedure it actually was, as well as the fact that it took less than an hour. A month later, a friend asked me to help him upgrade the hard disk on his G3. He was very nervous about it, yet I actually did it in half the time and it was even, you know, fun. As a bonus, for my troubles, I was treated to several mugs of draft beer at a local tavern.

      As for RAM chips and the new Macs? I'd guess it takes less than five minutes to do it, just open a little hatch, fit the chip in the slot and you're good to go!

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  10. Re:Down with the Apple monopoly by iamdrscience · · Score: 3, Informative

    they shut down any store which dared to sell Apple stuff.
    Overall, I agree with your post, but there are still a few stores which sell Macs besides Apple stores. There's a store around here, Yes Computers that sells and services Apple systems and accessories. It is true though that they seem to have done a pretty good job of keeping stores from carrying their products (besides the iPod).
  11. iWork - Numbers! by 2starr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But the more important announcement (IMHO) is iWork which now includes Numbers: http://www.apple.com/iwork/ Finally, I can get rid of Office.

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    1. Re:iWork - Numbers! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But the more important announcement (IMHO) is iWork which now includes Numbers

      Agreed. The feature list and Excel compatibility are a big win for some of us. I'm tired of using MS Office for the Mac, because it is slow and bloated, and prone to crash. A lighter, more nimble competitor is very welcome for my light spreadsheet needs. I avoid OpenOffice on the Mac as well, since it is likewise not really there yet.

      The improvements to Pages also seem significant, with some real layout power (and separate layout and word processing modes). Hopefully this will make for a lightweight Framemaker/InDesign replacement for smaller jobs. In fact, the main thing missing from iWork for my needs is ODF support.

    2. Re:iWork - Numbers! by elysian1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't forget, you can download a free trial here: http://www.apple.com/iwork/trial/

    3. Re:iWork - Numbers! by massysett · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Any support for OpenDocument in that new iWork? Website doesn't mention it at all.

    4. Re:iWork - Numbers! by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Informative

      Finally, I can get rid of Office.

      Unless everyone you work for and with does the same, I doubt it. There are a few things a file-translator just can't quite nail when you're importing someone else's stuff. (I know Apple's got built-in exporters to Office, but I've learned not to put 100% faith in those either.) Come on now. Office 2008 for Mac will be dropping VBA macro support so even the mac version of Office will not be compatible with Office for Windows. Your best bet for compatibility in a macro heavy environment would be Neo Office or Open Office as they support Office 2007 formats and VBA macros. Macros aside, previous versions of Office for Mac were not 100% compatible with their windows counterparts.

      If iWork provide higher compatibility (outside of macros), then that should be good enough for most people.

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  12. Re:I, for one, welcome our... by happyemoticon · · Score: 4, Informative

    And a lot of people, on the other hand, love laptop keyboards in general for the very reasons you listed. Furthermore, a lot of people spend much of their young life with a laptop as their primary rig, so they're actually more used to it than a traditional keyboard. It's kind of a moot point. Some people will be excited by the keyboards. Some people will hate them. And for many, the keyboard will not have a large net effect on their purchasing decisions.

    I do give them props for doing something different (or, if it's been done already, making it standard). I just wish they'd also have an option which brings ergonomics into play, even if it might end up looking like Gaudi made it.

  13. iMac and VMWare by SpottedKuh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been considering a Mac desktop for a while, and now that a new one is out, perhaps I'll buy it.

    One thing I need, though, is to be able to run Linux and OpenBSD in virtual machines on my desktop. Does anyone have any experience with how the new VMWare Fusion compares to VMWare Workstation? Is there any difference between the two (aside from the price, and that unity view for Windows, which does not affect me)? I mean, in terms of features and running other OSes?

  14. Re:I, for one, welcome our... by metamatic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah. I have a Macbook pro, almost a $3000 computer; and the keyboard is terrible.


    Funny, I love mine, and previously I was a diehard Model M user.

    As is the one-button trackpad.


    Switch on right-click support in the System Preferences or use the Ctrl key.

    Personally, I use Ctrl for right-click even when I'm using Linux on a system with a 4-button trackball.
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  15. Re:Down with the Apple monopoly by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, first, Apple isn't a monopoly. They have viable competitors in every market in which they compete, and insofar as that is the case, the behaviors you describe (which are called "vertical integration", or "anti-competitive practices" if and only if you already have a monopoly) aren't "brutal" so much as "a business and design choice".

    They destroyed the Mac clone market and reseller market because those things were destroying Apple. At that time (the late 90's), Linux wasn't nearly as mature or widely-adopted as it is today and the destruction of Apple would have, as far as almost everyone could predict, led to a total Microsoft monopoly. Microsoft was already starting to displace commercial UNIX in some segments. Other companies had licenses to manufacture Apple hardware designs with Apple software, including the Apple ROM that (at the time) was necessary for the OS to run. Those license payments weren't enough to allow Apple to continue existing and developing their OS, so Apple refused to extend those licenses to future technology (the CHRP common hardware platform, Mac OS 8) and purchased back the licenses it had already granted.

    The real question is whether it's acceptable to sell integrated systems that are capable of working together above and beyond the interoperability offered by open standards. When I look across the fence at the hardware support issues Linux and Windows are struggling with, I'm pretty happy with how green the grass is over here. And if I wasn't, I'm still perfectly able to get a new OS and new hardware. That's the difference between a monopoly and a competitor who offers a significantly different solution.

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  16. Re:Down with the Apple monopoly by reidconti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Simple. You're assuming Slashdotters are FOSSies, rather than just adamant about not using crappy products.

    I don't like Microsoft because they make shit products and force them down our throats. I use them regularly, as I now have an XP laptop at my current job as a Unix SA. I am willing to pay for Microsoft products when I think they are worthwhile -- I have an XBox 360 Elite -- but usually they are not worth paying for. The XBox is the first Microsoft product I have bought .. well, ever.

    For my own computer, I am happy to pay the extra few bucks for an Apple product that does exactly what it is designed to do, and does it extremely well. It's just not worth hassling with a Linux desktop machine anymore. OS X has the Windows advantages of being "mainstream" and playing all that fancy DVD and audio content with no fuss, no muss, but without the disadvantages of being utter crap. I definitely spent more money on my Mac Pro than I needed to spend on a computer, but mostly that was me buying an overkill machine, and very little of it was the Apple tax. Of course, if they had a mid-range headless system, maybe I would have bought that instead... But the low-end laptops are very competitive with PC offerings, and to some of us it is worth paying money for stuff that works.

    By the way, I register all of the shareware I use and enjoy in OS X, something that is far more true of the Mac community than the Windows community. Why? Because we feel the products are worth paying for, rather than Windows users who feel that they use what they use out of necessity, not choice.

    I like the idea of free software, but I'm not devoting my life to the cause. If it works best, I'll use it. If not, I'll pay to use whatever works best. Unfortunately for Microsoft, it is almost never their product.

  17. Attack of the clones. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing that bothers me is the decision to go with a glass screen. These screens, to me, are nothing more than a fad that help make the display look more impressive on the showroom floor. Once someone has to actually use them day-to-day glass screens are a huge distraction because of all the reflections and glare. This iMac is going to inspire a deluge of crappy glass-covered displays.

    Seeing these new Macs, however, I can't help but wonder why in the hell PC makers don't actually start putting some damn effort into the manufacture and design of their machines. Instead they go for quick, cheap gimmicks like Dell and the goofy interchangeable color covers for their laptops. Even worse are the third party case manufacturers.

    There are a million ideas out there for very elegant designs that could be just as impressive, if not more so, than anything Apple has designed. But instead what are we going to see? Dozens of crappy clones of the Apple design. Either that or half-hearted attempts that scream of cost-cutting over thoughtful design. Even Nintendo couldn't help but cloning the MacBook design with the DS and to a lesser extent the Wii.

    Apple has nice design, but they are far from being the pinnacle of high design. If only other companies weren't cheap and unimaginative.

    1. Re:Attack of the clones. by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because the market basically has three segments:

      (1) I need this to get work done and it has to run forever: Lenovo (formerly IBM) and high-end HP. Ugly is fine, as long as it's bullet-proof ugly

      (2) I'm cheap and have no taste: Dell. Absolutely rock-bottom prices, and it has to match my velvet Elvis or corporate posters from Inspiration.com.

      (3) It's a lifestyle choice, and I'm willing to pay for polish: Apple. They're not that much more expensive (especially the laptops), but getting people to overlook the price on the quad-core monsters is going to take better marketing. Tasteful, unobtrusive, and just let you get whatever it is you do done. Should be offered in Latte.

      Besides, 94%, give or take a Linux box or two run Windows of some flavor. Why shouldn't the look of the machine remind you of the experience you're about to have?

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  18. Dovetails nicely with iPhone. by Lethyos · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple is slowly phasing tactile response out of their input devices. Started with mice, then the iPhone, and now with keyboards. Soon, we will live in a polished world where nothing lets us know we touched it! I hope Apple never enters the sex industry.

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    1. Re:Dovetails nicely with iPhone. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't going to help much when Apple enters the Sex biz, but there's this $5 utility, Keyclick, that makes typing sounds when you type. I've never used it, but it's interesting.

      There's also the Slow Keys setting in the Universal Access pref pane. I just turned it on now for the first time, and it's friggin' annoying. If you try this, be sure to set acceptance delay to short. Yeah, this is really annoying.

      Yeah, typing that last paragraph pretty much sucked.

      There was also a drop in keyboard replacement for the Ti books that was just like a touch sensitive pad. There was a keyboard printed on it I think. Oh, here it is. The TouchStream MacNTouch. Never used one, but it seems interesting because of some of the other input possibilities (chording, gestures, etc.).

      Ah, well. You were making a joke and I got all esoteric on you. Sorry. =)

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  19. I disagree by encoderer · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I hope Apple never enters the sex industry"

    I disagree. Entirely.

    I'd be more than happy to wait in line for 6 hours so I can take home a stunningly beautiful iGirl that doesn't give me any feedback no matter how much I touch her, doesn't break when dropped, doesn't scratch easily, is good for up to 8 hours of activity (as long as I turn her wireless off), goes to sleep at the touch of a button and comes with a 2 year warranty.

    For sure. Sign me up.

    Of course, I'll probably regret it when they come out with a model next year that's a little bit lighter, and a little bit thinner... ...but what the hell... I could always use a spare at the office.

    1. Re:I disagree by encoderer · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, no.. I already have the dock adapter!

    2. Re:I disagree by dan828 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And another big bonus is that you don't have to worry about virus protection. Not like those skanky virus ridden PCs.

  20. The Dumbest Question I've Ever Heard by LKM · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apropos Intel, via Daringfireball.net:

    One question that came from the audience wondered why Apple doesn't participate in the "Intel Inside" program, in which PC manufacturers affix the well-known labels to their computers.

    "We like our own stickers better," Jobs said. "Don't get me wrong. We love working with Intel. We're proud to ship Intel products in Macs. They're screamers, and combined with our OS, we've tuned them well. It's just that everyone knows we use Intel processors. We'd rather not tell them about the product that's inside the box."
    1. Re:The Dumbest Question I've Ever Heard by kigrwik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Translation for the impaired:

      "Because we want our computers to look classy and not like a cheap whore".

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  21. Re:I, for one, welcome our... by Penguin's+Advocate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope they don't listen to all the people bashing the MacBook Pro keyboard. I *love* mine, and don't want it to change. It's significantly better than any of the last 3 laptops I've had, and better than any other laptop keyboard I've ever used (at least if you only count reasonably sized laptops and not those DTR monstrosities). That goes for the trackpad too. The trackpad on the MBP is spectacular, and the one button issue becomes a non-issue very quickly. I'm not a fan of trackpads or single-button input devices in general, but I have grown to love the MBP trackpad over the last year.

    As a point of reference, at home and at work I use a Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard and a trackball (logitech marble mouse at work, Kensington Expert mouse at home).

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  22. Re:No kidding by jdray · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The un-news is the whole "Events" thing. Photo tagging. So what?

    Is it just me, or did he not say, "Boom!" once during this presentation?

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  23. Re:Down with the Apple monopoly by Graff · · Score: 4, Informative

    And oh wow... iTunes doesn't sync with any MP3 player besides an iPod. Oh really?

    iTunes Compatible Players

    Chances are that most USB MP3 players will work with iTunes if they follow the standards set for such devices. If you have an MP3 player give it a try and see if it works with iTunes, it probably will.

    You might want to do a bit more research the next time you make false, blanket statements like that.
  24. Re:Down with the Apple monopoly by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here in Chicago, MicroCenter is a full-feature Apple dealer. When I used to work on a dual G4, I bought my system, cinema display and all my gear there (at least the stuff I didn't buy online). Their sales staff in that part of the store are pretty knowledgeable too. And they don't have that look you find on employees at the Apple store. The only way I can explain it is that Margaret O'Conner in my grammar school had that look. She was Mary in the May Crowning two years in a row and thus felt that she was closer to God than the rest of us. Her mother used to cut the crust off her sandwiches and she lifted her pinkies when she'd eat them during lunch period.

    For some reason, I think of her whenever I see the people who work at the Apple store. They look like someone cuts the crust off their sandwiches for them, and they're proud of it.

    But anyway, if you want to buy Apple in Chicago and don't want to pay 18 bucks to park downtown (and get skeeved out by the people who work in the Apple Store), MicroCenter has a nice big parking lot, and there's a PetSmart next door so you can buy kibble for you ferret when you're done.

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  25. Re:I'll wait for an updated mini by jcr · · Score: 3, Informative

    They did update the Mini. As of today, the only 32-bit computer that Apple's selling is the iPhone.

    -jcr

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  26. Re:Down with the Apple monopoly by MorpheousMarty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looks like to me it only supports old creative players (the Rio brand has been discontinued). So iTunes does sync with some mp3 players but if you were to buy a new MP3 player today it shouldn't work (according to the list)

  27. Re:Why didn't they go wireless on the keyboard/mou by eefsee · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wireless versions of the new keyboard (without USB ports) and the mighty mouse are available for about $150 total. See the Apple Store for details.

  28. They did. by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

    They've got wireless and wired versions. The wireless ones look even MORE like Macbook keyboards.

  29. Re:I'll wait for an updated mini by toddestan · · Score: 3, Informative

    They did update the Mini. As of today, the only 32-bit computer that Apple's selling is the iPhone.

    *COUGH*AppleTV*COUGH*

  30. Re:I, for one, welcome our... by mrbooze · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How would enabling a true right-button support make the experience worse for anyone? Make the trackpad support two buttons the same way the Mighty Mouse does. If you enable right-click as a preference, then the right side of the button is a right-click, if you don't then the whole button acts as one button.

    Tada, you've made life better for people who like 2-button mice and you have not hurt the 1-button mouse people in the slightest!

  31. Re:I, for one, welcome our... by LKM · · Score: 3, Informative

    I assume this is sarcasm?

    No.

    With the tremendous amount of physical real estate that the button takes up, there's no reason why splitting it into two would make things worse for virtually any user.

    I take it you've never done phone support, then. In my opinion, the second mouse button is one of the single worst physical interfaces ever invented for computers. Your main input device has two unlabelled buttons which can only be discerned by whether they are on the right or on the left of the device? This is just stupid. An astonishing number of people aren't even capable of reliably telling you which side right is, and which side left is (as I find out time and time again when telling somebody where to drive - "to the right. no, the other right").

    Not to mention the bad influence the right mouse button has on UI design.

    I've been using the two-button "right click" for nearly a year now and do it instinctively, but still think that a right button would be significantly more effective, and less limiting (I do occasionally need right-click+drag, or right-click+very very quick move)

    Yes, as I've said, it would be, but it would still make it worse for the majority of all users.