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Kids Review the OLPC

A. N. Onymous sends us to OLPCNews for an account of kids' reactions to the OLPC XO, and comments: "My first impression is, it's just like when you give a kid a box of Lego." The video of a 10-year-old and his younger sister replacing a mobo is pretty cool.

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  1. Neato! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My first impression is, it's just like when you give a kid a box of Lego

    "These computers sure make a cool fort!"

    1. Re:Neato! by Mal-2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many devices had screws designed to be turned by 100-yen coins (U.S. quarters are usually a good enough approximation), but this is just FRIGGIN' HUGE in today's miniaturized world, and wouldn't fit in on the OLPC either. Still, coins are not a bad thing to consider when designing for ersatz tool use. They're small, ubiquitous, easy to grip, and probably softer than the screws -- so any damage from ham-handedness is either cosmetic, or happens to the coin.

      Are there any truly common sizes for low-denomination coins around the world?

      Mal-2

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  2. Amazing concept by Lord+Artemis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just the fact that a couple of young kids can change a mobo in a laptop, something that most adults (or even many of the computer literate) are either unable to do or shy away from doing, is something to be said for this project.

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    1. Re:Amazing concept by Lord+Artemis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, but isn't this intended more for off-campus work? Of course the campus computers will work better than a budget laptop, but I had always thought of them as being more for when you're not on campus.

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    2. Re:Amazing concept by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see how replacing a motherboard is in any way, shape, or form a useful skill for anybody who is not a screwdriver monkey in a local PC shop. Now, if this thing taught kids to repair two-stroke engines, or basic agriculture, that would be impressive (and useful).

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    3. Re:Amazing concept by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is two-stroke engine repair any more usefull than electronics repair? Sorry grampa; we'll try to keep the kids off your lawn.

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    4. Re:Amazing concept by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is two-stroke engine repair any more usefull than electronics repair? In an agrarian culture, a two-stroke engine can perform useful work.

      Frankly, though, I like OLPC. While I'm not sure it will benefit poor African children much more than giving laptops to middle-schoolers in Seattle, it will still provide some benefits to its target demographic.

      Better still, for me, it's inspired tech companies to design similar devices for rich countries, meaning I might have a competent, cheap mobile platform in my future.

    5. Re:Amazing concept by i_b_don · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think this is really a "teach a person to fish" type of thing. Sure it's a computer... how useful is a computer in an agriculture society... now add an internet connection and wow, how fucken useful is that!? I bet there are plenty of good websites that show you how to repair a two-stroke engine... I even bet the "internets" are pretty good darn good and educating you on many more basic and extremely useful things.

      Of course we all know it'll probably be mostly used for pr0n, but that's just a good hook to get kids online and techno-literate. And it's not like you coculdn't say the same thing about us when we were kids....

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    6. Re:Amazing concept by mrvan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hey, and at least they can now look up on the internet how to repair a two stroke engine!

    7. Re:Amazing concept by localman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having just spent some time working with computers in a third world country, here's my take: if you buy into the idea that the computers are good things, then self repair is good. In these environments I've seen that component breakdowns are very common. I sure replaced a lot of motherboards at the schools I was working in. The biggest problem that I saw was not getting computers to the people, it was educating them on how to use them and keep them running.

      From another angle, when the kids saw me replacing motherboards, several of them were fascinated. One of the older kids learned how to do it just because he wanted to, and helped us out for several weeks. Now, I'll admit that it is seems a useless skill, but that's only if you consider learning and enjoyment for its own sake to be useless. No, he won't likely be able to monetize the skill, but honestly he'll be lucky if he can monetize anything. So why not enjoy life in the meantime? And any brain exercise is good for these kids, as it sharpens the mind. There are geeks over there too -- they just don't have access to the stuff we do.

      Cheers.

    8. Re:Amazing concept by pimpimpim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you have any clue how things happen in 90% of the world? You don't pay someone $100 per hour to repair for you, you do it yourself. Why are the still so many 80's versions of the Toyota Landcruiser around? Because you can repair them without high-tech equipment. Ideally the OPLC will be around a lot, and if there is one with a broken screen, and one with a broken motherboard, you can make one working laptop out of these two without having to send it somewhere or ask a repair shop. That is one laptop saved, a lot of money saved, and one family more that can write letters, have access to all the information on the internet, etc. This are small steps with huge implications, and that is what makes the world go round.

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    9. Re:Amazing concept by myvirtualid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the older kids learned how to do it just because he wanted to.... Now, I'll admit that it is seems a useless skill....

      In the long run, possibly about as useless as writing a 386 kernel just for the fun of it.

      Nope, nothing good ever came of doing tech for the sake of loving tech.

      Mod parent up,

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    10. Re:Amazing concept by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the late eighties and nineties, at least here in the US, you heard the term "computer literacy" used a lot in connection with education. The thing was, it was a crock. The "computer skills" kids learned in the late 80s have very little direct relevance in 2010.
      It depends on whether you were learning actual skills, or whether you were learning to press certain buttons. The skills I learned using MS-DOS in 1990 are still skills that I use today in my everyday life. Just the concepts of files, folders, move, rename, copy are some very simple skills that haven't changed much in the last 20 years. Same with word processing. Sure they've added a bunch of functionality to MS Word, but the simples function, bold, italics, font size, spell check, indent, tables, alignment, justify, table of contents, and other things haven't changed in the last 15 years.
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  3. Is this real world testing? by ktappe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These appeared to be well-to-do kids who were very likely to have used computers before. That is not who OLPC is aimed at. It would be much more telling to see tests with kids in poorer nations for whom OLPC is their first PC.

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    1. Re:Is this real world testing? by tsa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not everybody in Africa is hungry. Many people that we would consider poor have mobile phones there. They use them for their business.

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  4. Chinese kids are even cheaper. by nick_davison · · Score: 5, Informative

    The video of a 10-year-old and his younger sister replacing a mobo is pretty cool. Correction: The muted video of a 10-year-old and his younger sister being blatantly directed on exactly what to do by the pair of adult hands that keep entering the video to catch things they do wrong (including almost dropping it at one point) and apparently updating the instructions for them that they're evidently not doing on their own implies OLPC has learned what Nike figured out twenty years ago: kids make the best slave labor.
  5. uh oh by Carbon016 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Those kids didn't use proper anti-static safety protocols when replacing that motherboard! At this rate, it's going to be twenty laptops per child!

  6. "guided" disassembly by strtj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A 10 year old and an 8 year old disassembling a laptop on their own would be quite an impressive feat. These kids, however, seem to need assistance from the "long arm of the law" every few steps. When will we learn that it's not how rapidly kids are able to do something, but whether or not they succeed in the end on their own?

  7. missing the point? by Uksi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What is the point of the kids being able to replace the motherboard? That's about as bad of a metric of usefulness of a computer as you can get. What if they couldn't at all figure out how to do it? Would that make for a bad OLPC?

    What I want to know is whether kids can actually do anything useful/interesting on these laptops.

  8. Re:spare mobo's by gradedcheese · · Score: 4, Informative

    That 'plague' has to do with electrolytic capacitors. Please take a look at this image:

    http://wiki.laptop.org/images/1/10/Proto-a-front.j pg

    Note the near-absence of electrolytic caps, especially the junky through-hole ones you find on your typical motherboard.

  9. Child labor by Zero+Degrez · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently Mitch Bradley even believes that a 10-year old could replace an XO motherboard. I don't see why not; 10-year olds have been replacing motherboards in China for years.
  10. You seem to have an inaccurate idea by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please don't take this as an offense, but you seem to have a rather inaccurate idea of how the third world works. Especially if you think you need to teach them basic agriculture, or how a two-stroke engine works. They know that. What they lack is, in no particular order:

    1. Money. In the modern world, everything costs money, including getting water for irrigation, spare parts for those tractors, etc. And this is the root of all the evil that follows in this list.

    2. An industry to support that agriculture. Just knowing how an internal combustion engine works, doesn't mean that you can just get a hammer and an anvil and make a tractor in a village smithy. Until this problem is solved, their agriculture is a case of either (A) inefficiently doing it by hand, or (B) importing expensive foreign tractors and spare parts, and see #1: that's money they just don't have.

    3. A market where they can get that much needed money for their produce. And not just "market" as in selling it in the next city, but some kind of _export_ market, because you can't import much without exporting the equivalent. If you want to import something that costs US Dollars or Euro, you have to first sell something for US Dollars or Euro. Or you can take a loan, but then you're soon back to square one: you have to export something for US Dollars or Euro to pay it back.

    But there they compete with the _massively_ subsidized EU and USA agricultural exports. And they lose.

    It's as simple as that: if you and I make the same product, but the government subsidizes more than half the price of mine, you _will_ lose. That is their problem.

    4. Some source of credit without all sorts of strings attached. A lot of "foreign aid" or "loans" actually come with strings attached, like "you must use that money to buy grain from the USA" or "you must use that money to buy trucks from Germany." (But when they break down, heh, you better have your own money to buy spare parts with.) Unfortunately while that may relieve a famine in the short run, in the long run it also just does even more to bankrupt the local farms and industry respectively.

    5. An infrastructure. You can't have a modern agriculture without water pumps for irrigation, roads, silos, fuel pumps for the trucks and tractors, electricity, etc. And that's just infrastructure they don't have. In some cases they don't even have clean water for drinking, much less water for irrigation. And don't have the money to build an infrastructure.

    6. In some cases, they don't have competent or honest politicians either. A lot of economies are run into the ground not because they don't know what an engine is, but because they're run by an incompetent, corrupt, kleptocratic clique.

    Basically their main problem is that they're too poor, not that some white man has to come and teach them basic agriculture.

    It's damn near impossible to start from zero and industrialize by your own efforts any more. It's a vicious circle: as long as you don't have high-tech stuff to export for the big bucks, you can't buy the machine tools and know-how to get even your basic industry started. Raw material and agricultural products are so damn cheap that you simply can't export enough of them to get some serious industrialization going.

    Stalin did industrialize the USSR in the 30's... by starving a few million peasants (a lot of them Ukrainians) to death. Literally to death. That was the only way to export enough grain to be able to buy all the machine tools and blueprints he needed to start a serious industry.

    Not only that kind of a solution isn't practicable in most countries, the problem just got much worse in the meantime too.

    So, anyway, ironically giving them some computer skills may actually do them a hell of a lot more good than trying to teach them basic agriculture (which they already know.) If they can at least work offshore tech support, or assemble computers in a sweatshop, they and their country might even get _some_ dollars out of that. And, who knows, maybe get at least started on building the industry and infrastructure. The agriculture will follow.

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