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TSA's "Behavior Detection Officers"

Stanistani sends us to MSNBC for a dyspeptic Newsweek commentary on the TSA's latest attempt to make air travel safer: the rather ominously named "Behavior Detection Officers" now working in a dozen US airports, and slated to go nationwide in 2008. They are trained in the discipline of reading "micro-expressions." The editorialist calls that a pseudo-science, but in fact it's a well-understood skill that can be taught and learned. A cursory look at this TSA program might put one in mind of Orwell's "facecrime," and that's the road the Newsweek writer goes down. Yet some who bemoan the security theater historically run by the TSA point to the gold standard of airport security, Tel Aviv airport, and wonder why TSA officers can't act more like the Israelis. Bruce Schneier wrote recently about one reason why the Israeli security model isn't completely transplantable to these shores: scale. And here's Schneier's take on behavioral profiling from a year ago. That's what the BDOs will be trying for: scrutinizing intent instead of pocket knives. Let's just hope they don't get swamped with false positives.

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  1. Okay, and? by gcnaddict · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is there to worry about? Odds are you're safe if you don't sweat (quite literally)

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    1. Re:Okay, and? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Some people (like me) just tend to sweat more than others. BTW, fear in the security line doesn't have to be caused by being afraid of being caught -- it might be just the fear of flying.


      -b.

    2. Re:Okay, and? by kypper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or a fear of a false positive... because god knows, those delays don't impact or affect you psychologically, nor do they fuck with your schedule and cause you to miss your plane...

    3. Re:Okay, and? by SL+Baur · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hope you're not really a bosozoku. I've been woken up from sleep too many times by bosozoku and seen too many incidents to not consider them terrorists of a sort - it is not reasonable to surround a car and shout obscenities at the driver, ever. If you are, you are the kind of person these people should be picking out. Kawaiiso.

      Yeah, well the only place I'm flying to right now (to/from Manila) it's impossible not to sweat a little. And if I'm a little bit tense in line, it's because I hate no-smoking airports and no-smoking flights across the Pacific. The horror ... the horror.

      I don't mind the security at NAIA - there really are troubled people who like to blow up airports and stuff there, but the security and the ominous color alert messages over the loud speaker at SFO are just annoying and a joke.

      How many bombs have ever been exploded at SFO? There was at least one at NAIA in the last 4 years (and something like 3 in Davao City -- I'm really glad there's a lot of security there now).

    4. Re:Okay, and? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't mind the security at NAIA - there really are troubled people who like to blow up airports and stuff there, but the security and the ominous color alert messages over the loud speaker at SFO are just annoying and a joke.

      That's one of the annoyances with the States -- you feel like an unruly little child all the time on public transport. At airports, on trains, whatever, you get those recorded voices that sound like your 3rd grade schoolteacher admonishing you not to do this or to do that. In Poland and Eastern Europe, they still have airline security, but without the admonishing disembodied voices. And they don't check papers when you buy an intercity train ticket like Amtrak in the US (they're generally pretty reluctant to ask for ID for fear of evoking the old dictatorships -- I think it's just considered impolite unless it's really necessary).

      -b.

    5. Re:Okay, and? by ChangelingJane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have PTSD as a result of child abuse. I am always extremely self-conscious and paranoid around crowds, and especially around men who have authority. I wouldn't be surprised if I was a false positive every time I stepped foot inside an airport that staffs these guys. This kind of "security" is completely uncalled for. Every new step they take in trying to increase airport security does one thing and one thing only: increase the *illusion* that we're safer, all the while creating unneeded hassle for ordinary people who just want to get on the freaking plane already. "Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear" only applies if your government is 100% trustworthy, and has the best interest of ALL its citizens in mind. Is ANY government or authoritarian body in the *world* worthy of implicit trust? I don't think so.

    6. Re:Okay, and? by SL+Baur · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's one of the annoyances with the States -- you feel like an unruly little child all the time on public transport. I haven't noticed that on short runs, like city buses and commuter trains. I have heard they do that for Greyhound and Amtrak. Be serious! Are would-be terrorists going to torture themselves for their final days on a bus or a train, or travel in style in a rental car (a hotwired stolen car would work as well) a la a Jack Clancy novel?

      If I'm riding a bus in Mindanao, I don't mind security stops. I've heard too many 1st person stories about captured buses and kidnapped people. I don't know what the AFP guys are checking for when we're stopped, but O.K. Maybe that's not O.K., what *are* they checking for? I haven't a clue and I've been in a stopped bus dozens of times.

      Terror in the US is waaay overrated and maybe you need to spend some time in the 3rd world to understand just how much freedom is being taken away from you.
    7. Re:Okay, and? by ChangelingJane · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll just drive to Japan, then.

  2. Sounds a lot like what El Al does by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Israeli airline has been profiling passengers all sorts of ways for decades. This sounds a lot like one of the methods they employ.

    1. Re:Sounds a lot like what El Al does by MsGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think so...the same phonemes in shibboleth are present in Arabic as they are in Hebrew. They weren't, apparently, in the language of the Ephraimites. The test wouldn't work today for whom the Israelis are profiling against.

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    2. Re:Sounds a lot like what El Al does by phozz+bare · · Score: 3, Informative

      On the contrary, it could theoretically work, as most Arabs would not pass the test because they cannot pronounce the phoneme for "o". It would sound like an "oo" sound. Actually, a better test would be to say the name Peugeot; Arabs cannot usually pronounce any of the phonemes required, and would say "bee-joo" ('j' like a soft 'g').

      In practice this method is not used, as someone intending to cheat could simply learn how to say these words properly.

  3. smile, smile, smile by m0llusk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So smile, smile, smile, especially while you take your shoes off as ordered and surrender your fluids. Or just drive instead.

    1. Re:smile, smile, smile by rand0mbits · · Score: 2, Funny

      This got me thinking... You mean, drive through the airport security?

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  4. "Gold standard" by Metasquares · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Israeli security is the "gold standard" because it needs to be.

  5. For a different take on this program... by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For a different take on (what I assume is) the same program, read this article. I think the writer of TFA may be overreacting - in this article, an officer simply noticed someone acting suspiciously, and it turned out that he was carrying a 9 mm handgun and thirty rounds without a permit. No trick, no "micro-expressions", just good old-fashioned alertness.

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    1. Re:For a different take on this program... by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem here is selective attention. You quoted the one case where a police officer noticed someone acting "suspiciously" and ended up being right. You didn't quote the 1000 other cases everywhere around the country - not just in airports - where police bother someone who they think acts suspiciously and end up as a false alert.

      First of all, these are not police, these are TSA officers. They work in airports, the article is about airports, and our discussion is about airports. It's not as if these people are walking around on every street, stopping and questioning whomever they please. Third, when you enter an airport, like it or not, you WILL be put under a greater level of scrutiny than in many other places. There aren't many other places where you're asked to discard you water bottle, take off your shoes, and have your bag X-rayed before you'll be let in. Finally, this appears to be a fairly new program, and the writer of TFA doesn't actually provide any instances of real people encountering problems with these officers.

      If anyone's guilty of selective attention, it's the writer of the TFA, and you. I know it's popular /. groupthink to automatically lump any kind of government surveillance into the Orwellian category, but stop and think for a minute about all the reports of people who have been observed "acting erratically" before something bad happens. Oh, and there's the fact that, as my article shows, a man with a gun and bullets was stopped in the airport thanks to this kind of program, or a very similar one. I very much doubt that someone who looks like they're having a bad day isn't going to be allowed on a plane. If that happens, maybe the writer has a case. On the other hand, trying to avoid causing a scene at the airport has been good advice long before this program.

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    2. Re:For a different take on this program... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would you rather have 1000 false positives and 1001 safe flights, or zero false positives, 1000 safe trips, and 1 where hundreds of people die?

      I don't have a problem with someone well-trained being assigned to watch the passengers as they check in and board the plane, and if they see someone who's acting hinky, pull them out of line just to see if they're OK. That does not strike me as Orwellian or some nightmarish violation of our rights.

      It actually strikes me as much more sensible and effective than many of the truly Orwellian and nightmarish violations of our rights that have been perpetrated by the Bush Administration. I'm thinking spy satellites over the US, surveillance without any accountability, etc. etc.

      If I'm on a plane, and suddenly a group of people start praying loudly, that's a red flag regardless of the religion involved. I don't care if they're nuns who start saying the rosary loudly as a group, I want the air marshal to check it out.

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    3. Re:For a different take on this program... by superwiz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Being inside of an airplane which is for the most part completely cut off from the rest of civilization makes you not part of the rest of society. Seeing how guaranteeing your life is much more difficult in that situation than it is on the ground, by the virtue of the fact that you put yourself in there you give up some freedoms. Some of the other things you cannot do on a plane that you can do in the rest of a free society: carry a gun, scream obscenities, generally act rude and disruptive, dance, listen to loud music, walk around (unless explicitly permitted), etc. Being on an airplane is an inherently dangerous situation. So no, rules of civil society do not apply.

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    4. Re:For a different take on this program... by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First of all, these are not police, these are TSA officers.

      So, does that mean I can ignore them? I mean, if they're not police, they're just regular citizens. The most they can do is talk to the airlines and ask that I not be allowed to board. On the other hand, that's a great basis for me to sue the airlines. I mean, I paid them for a service, and they're denying it. The only way out of that is, of course, to have TSA screening as a part of the contract. Or are you willing to admit that the TSA is a federal police force, and so they do have authority to arrest you or force a search upon you?

      They work in airports, the article is about airports, and our discussion is about airports. It's not as if these people are walking around on every street, stopping and questioning whomever they please.

      Well, that's good to know. You do realize that a lot of people at airports are there to see other people off, right? And given that airport security will screen family that's seeing someone off, I can only imagine that the TSA does as well. So, sure, the TSA isn't "out on every street". They are screening people who aren't flying, though.

      Third, when you enter an airport, like it or not, you WILL be put under a greater level of scrutiny than in many other places. There aren't many other places where you're asked to discard you water bottle, take off your shoes, and have your bag X-rayed before you'll be let in.

      In short, because the TSA is unreasonable in its security, we should expect more unreasonable security procedures and not complain about it. Yea, that's *totally* logical...

      Finally, this appears to be a fairly new program, and the writer of TFA doesn't actually provide any instances of real people encountering problems with these officers.

      Well, since it's a fairly new program, we'll just ignore the clear absurdity of it until it rears its ugly head. I mean, it's like if tomorrow there was made a law that every second born child under 12 should be executed on sighting. Since it'd be "a fairly new program" and there wouldn't instantly be "provide[d] any instances of real people encountering problems", we'll just have to wait until the body count grows to a large enough amount to start complaining. And even if the law gets overturned, if Congress kept passing new second-born-child-execution laws, carefully worded to be different yet do the same thing, after a while we'd just have to accept that that's how things are. I mean, it's not like they'd be killing adults or the first born. Irrational tradition beats Constitutionality or sanity.

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    5. Re:For a different take on this program... by Karthikkito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I feel sorry for the second and third shift pilots on 17+ hour flights trying to get into the cockpit on *that* plane.

  6. The Israeli's have it easy! by jack_n_jill · · Score: 4, Insightful
    For Israel, all their enemies are Arabs. They don't have to worry about profiling, discrimination, or civil rights. Israel is not a country of equal rights. Perhaps, if they were they would have peace and security.

    We Americans aspire to be something better.

    1. Re:The Israeli's have it easy! by reset_button · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The security model in the Tel Aviv airport isn't simply to search through all of the Arabs' bags. Everyone is interviewed, and the security staff look for these "micro-expressions". As a white person, you can easily be asked ten questions about where you've been, why you've been there, what's in your bags, where you're going, why you're going, etc. When I fly in the US, nobody asks me anything. Nobody looks at me. As long as I don't have more than 3oz of liquid in my carry-on, I'm good to go.

      As to the equal rights, do you suggest that Israel search everyone equally? How does that make sense? The terrorist attacks that occur on a regular basis there are almost all carried out by Arabs. However, aside from checkpoints, Arabs have full voting rights, full rights to attend any university, full rights to work anywhere they want, buy anything they want, etc. Do you know the rights of a Jew in an Arab country? The right to be hung.

    2. Re:The Israeli's have it easy! by rand0mbits · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I seriously fail to understand why he's getting upmodded for such a retarded, bigoted, blind statement. We Americans may aspire to be something better, but we're nowhere close to it.

      Especially illogical is this part "if they were they would have peace and security." Besides Israel, there are enough examples of countries with equal rights for everyone where (generally) Muslims choose to physically force their views upon others. A good example of this happened recently in Norway, where a Muslim couple-husband and wife-chose to beat up a young woman at a mall because she wasn't dressed as a young woman should dress.

      IMHO, everyone hates Americans precisely because of idiots like jack_n_jill.

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  7. Isn't this open to abuse? by stevedcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know that airport security is a tough issue, and something that needs to be done right, but allowing an interpretation of a micro-expression to be used to select people for further investigation basically gives the airport staff the option of pulling over anyone, any time under this pretext.

    Do they collect statistics on how powers like this are used? In the UK, the police have had to start collecting statistics on the use of stop and search powers, because of concerns about racial profiling. The statistics have verified claims that the behaviour of the subjects is not what's being used by officers when deciding to search, the race of the subject is. Of course, this has lead to claims that the police are trying to find excuses to stop and search large parties of other ethnic group, to alter their statistics, without any probable cause (eg searching all passengers coming of a train for weapons, when they had no evidence that any existed)

    I'm not necessarily against this kind of selection, but I do believe that it needs to be implemented carefully to prevent abuse and unfair treatment of certain sections of the population, so that not only is the security done right, it's seen to be done right.

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  8. Let's hope... by robably · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's just hope they don't get swamped with false positives.
    No, let's hope they do. It would be nice if there was some limit to airport security where it becomes impractical to be any more totalitarian, especially as the measures at airports are creeping in to every other part of society.
  9. Oh great, let's emmulate the Israelis. by ahfoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't believe the people on here acting like this is a good thing or that Israeli style air force security is a step in the right direction. I just saw a documentary on how the Israelis routinely cavity search ten year old girls just because they are Palestinians. The intent is not to find anything, but to intimidate them and their families from returning to Israel. Even Israeli citizens, particularly female, who have publicly disagreed with militarist policies are strip searched simply to humiliate them and discourage them from travel.
            That's really where we should be heading in America, is it now? So, since our Palestinians equivalents are the Mexicans then I suppose our lovely new Israeli style airport security policy ought to include strip searching and fondling all young Mexican girls in order to discourage them from travel. I mean after all, that's the example the Israelis offer. It has worked so well for them so far, hasn't it.
            If we really want to stop terrorism, then perhaps we should start by not dropping bombs on foreign countries and killing hundreds of civilians each week. That might be an even more effective method than assigning the gestapo to the airports.

    1. Re:Oh great, let's emmulate the Israelis. by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The actual hatred was primarily directed at Zionists, and from there spilled onto other Jews. Wrong entirely. The actual hatred was of Jews generally from the beginning. The first Zionists met a warm welcome from the Arabs/Muslims, because they terraformed the land (ex: draining malarial swamps) and brought their money with them from Europe. Then 1947 happens, the Jews get a state by accepting the partition plan that the Arabs rejected, and suddenly nobody likes the comparatively-wealthy Zionists any longer. Then, over decades, the older prejudice against Jews mixed with the newer despising for the State of Israel to form the ammonia-smelling poison broth some have called "the new anti-Semitism".

      Zionist's policies, as that of any supremacist cult before them, are to antagonize the whole world (minus the US) against every Jew via Zionist excesses, with the express goal of making sure that all Jews become violent Zionists and live either in the permanently besieged us-vs-them fortress Israel, constantly at war with everybody, and thus "justified" in taking any-and-all extreme measures against all of its neighbors, or the USA, the place from which Israel is financed. Perhaps you might understand the seeming antagonism from both sides a bit better if you understood their cultural backgrounds. The Arab concept of manners does not include watering down or sugar-coating things for people. When an Arab wants you to drop dead, he tells you to drop dead. Since 50% of Israeli Jewry comes from Arab nations in the Middle East (the Arabs booted them out after Israel's birth and the fledging state had to integrate them), their own culture contains a strong infusion of its source that combines with the no-nonsense pioneering spirit of earlier Israeli days to make the heady broth we call Zionist antagonism.

      There is a simple test, you know, to determine if this is true: compare the Arab population of what is now Israel, as of today, with what that population figure was in, say, 1945. Then examine the means by which it was changed. Then lookup the definition of "ethnic cleansing". The Israeli Arab population is actually growing. The Palestinian Arab population is at least one order of magnitude higher than in 1945, probably several. Tell me about this ethnic cleansing.
  10. It actually *IS* a pseudo-science by DocJohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The MSNBC commentator called it a pseudo-science because that's exactly what it is.

    There are exactly zero citations in MEDLINE and PsycINFO for a peer-reviewed study done on normal people using this technique. There's one where it was used to help people with schizophrenia learn emotional cues in others. The only other citation was a book chapter (which isn't a study).

    So yes, when you have little or no science in the psychological and medical databases to back up your psychological technique, we call that a pseudo-science -- it's not a real, proven technique.

    And because of this, it definitely should NOT be used at airports. There is a great deal of science showing how lousy humans are at detecting lying, including nonverbal cues.

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  11. Re:Um, no. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Only took me 20 minutes to get through the security checkpoint line.

    Then again, I got bumped from my flight to Frankfurt last month, only to be put back on at the last minute. The TSA people walked the group that was reinstated through the checkpoints with practically no security since the plane was leaving in 5 min. Some of those people were "volunteers" who )_asked_ to be on a later flight since there was a eu.400 payment for being bumped.

    -b.

  12. Nitpick by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful
    For Israel, all their enemies are Arabs.

    "Arabs" != Muslims.

    There exist non-Muslim Arabs, and there exist non-Arab Muslim groups (Iranians for a start).

    -b.

  13. not really by Weezul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Israel has exactly the same threats as the U.S. w.r.t. terrorists. Ever noticed how all those South Americans whose families were murdered by the CIA don't infact blow up U.S. airplanes? Ever seen a North Korean hijacker? etc.

    Yes, there are demographic differences : Israel's terrorists are usually palistinian, and thus look exactly like Israelis. America's terrorists are usually Saudi Arabian, i.e. half African but nothing like African Americans.

    In fact racial profiling for terrorists would work quite well in the U.S. and E.U. People just aren't interested in risking their lives to hurt you, unless their religious.

    Our position will only becomes as bad as Israel's when crazy American Christians start blowing up airplanes.

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    1. Re:not really by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You need to look up the lineage of your average Iranian.

      Also, unless you are willing to search *every* Arab, it isn't very useful to profile race, as there are many many Arabs, and your false positives will be huge, while some bad guys slip through. Behavioral approaches are much sounder(especially when combined with 'police work' approaches).

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    2. Re:not really by Haeleth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In fact racial profiling for terrorists would work quite well in the U.S. and E.U.
      Yeah - racial profiling would have stopped Timothy McVeigh in his tracks, wouldn't it?

      Oh, wait, he wasn't an Arab. (Or even foreign.) Or a Muslim. (Or even religious.)

      In fact he was a white American agnostic. Didn't stop him committing one of the worst acts of terrorism in America's history, of course.

      Okay, so you want to look only at cases where Muslim fundamentalists are trying to blow up planes, do you? Okay, please explain how racial profiling would have helped catch Richard Reid, who was, uh, a white British-Jamaican man, who easily made it onto a plane with a bomb and would have succeeded in downing a trans-Atlantic flight if another passenger hadn't spotted him trying to light the fuse.

      But hey, let's not let the truth get in the way of indulging our xenophobia, shall we?
    3. Re:not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please take off your tinfoil hat. While the vast majority of muslims are not terrorists, the vast majority of persons trying to commit terrorist acts against the United States are Muslims (and of middle eastern descent). Of course there are examples of non-muslim terrorists in America. This is why the air lines need to remain vigilant for anyone who happens to looks suspicious, however because of the high correlation between terrorists and Muslims it is only reasonable that members of this particular group be paid just a little more attention. Does this mean that no other group should be scrutinized? Absolutely not, but let's be reasonable here. This has nothing to do with xenophobia; I would say this of any group. If white females 60+ in age happened to be the majority of those trying to blow up planes in the U.S. I would have absolutely no problem with an increased scrutiny of them as well, but they happen not to be the people doing it (go figure). But hey, let's not let the truth get in the way of our crusade to ensure that no one's feelings get hurt, shall we?

  14. Isn't the current system more "open to abuse"? by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know that airport security is a tough issue, and something that needs to be done right, but allowing an interpretation of a micro-expression to be used to select people for further investigation basically gives the airport staff the option of pulling over anyone, any time under this pretext.

    They already have this option!

    This is designed to make that option actually, you know, useful.

    Even if you think it could be "abused", they can already effectively select anyone, for any reason, for secondary inspection. That's the whole point of trying to use some kind of behavioral cues, instead of just randomly doing it to anyone (or young blonde women), or only persons who appear to be of Middle Eastern descent.

    Yes, as you say, it needs to be done right. But please read Schneier's article and the New York Times story on the topic.

  15. More money wasted by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is more money impudently squandered.

    Passengers are not the only worry for airport security. For most of modern US history, passengers have posed little concern. At the same time, the US has had many international enemies.

    Airports are full of security holes. Other freight handling systems are full of security holes. "Appearing" to do things to improve security is a political strategy.

    The USA is not more secure. But government is much, much bigger... and has more power than a supposed democracy should give it.

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  16. Astrological profiling next? by davecl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe 'it's a well-understood skill that can be taught and learned', but so is astrology. Does that stop it from being a pseudoscience?

    Perhaps that's the key - from now on the TSA can do natal charts for all passengers and use horoscopes to work out which ones are terrorists!

  17. The calmest and most collected persons by DollyTheSheep · · Score: 2, Informative

    will be those, who already know, that they will die: suicide bombers. Nothing really matters to them anymore besides their mission. Perhaps this is what the BDO are really trained to look out for: exceptionally calm persons?

  18. Flying Harassment by dcray2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I travel regularly all over the U.S. I am huge on security and want me and my family to be safe.

    However, what security does the TSA provide? It's pretty obvious that any intelligent enemy will continue to change tatics. This became all the more clear to me when the TSA harassed my wife for more than 5 minutes recently about my 4 month old son's baby bottle. It was more than three ounces because he eats more than three ounces, this was a revelation. They also continue to harass me for 'electronics density'.

    You can't travel regularly without flying airlines. Terror is something pretty straight forward and it's being inflicted on america every day by the TSA. We are no safer.

    Best case I can always go through security with just my book and my boxers. (they'll search my book for cellulose density) I'll then superglue my face so I have no expression and do the robot through the airport.

  19. Deliberatly acting suspicious by davidwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How long before some news agency trains a few reporters on how to "act suspicious" without committing any crime, then sends them into the airport?

    How long before terrorists catch on and play this diversion game too? If the real terrorists can train themselves to "look normal" and pay some college students to "spoof the system" as a distraction, will that lead to another air disaster?

    In the game of spy-vs-spy, or rather the TSA vs. real or imagined terrorists, no technique is foolproof.

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  20. Nope, there are publications by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's the problem with using the media's term. Look up Paul Ekman from USCSF. He has numerous published papers on facial expressions and affect.

    The question isn't whether the study of micro-expressions is science or not; the question is whether particular claims or assumptions about micro expressions exceed what is scientifically defensible, particularly whether inferences made from the study of micro-expressions are reliable. They're almost certainly, in this context, not.

    It all has to do with the nature of evidence. Evidence forms a network, within which inferences can be made. Any single strand of that network will tend to be unreliable.

    For example, if you know a person well, you probably could use micro-expressions very effectively. If you knew a lot about what the person is doing, you probably could as well. However, as a screening test, it is bound to be extremely unreliable. Even if you catch a fleeting glimpse of anger, disgust, or contempt on somebody's face in an airport security line, even presuming you are correct, it tells you absolutely nothing about that person, other than he is angry, disgusted, or contemptuous. Anybody who has done much traveling by air is bound to feel those things from time to time.

    This is the problem with all screening tests that look for something extremely rare in the general population. Even with a highly reliable test, the rate of false positives will tend to be much higher than the rate of true positives. This is the problem with random drug tests; unless you are testing for a drug that is very commonly used, you don't have a great deal of certainty from a positive test, unless you have other evidence leading you to suspect drug use.

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  21. Probable cause NOT required by redelm · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Airport security has become like border crossings: the officials do not require any probable cause for searches and detentions. They can use any and all means, even arbitrary or hunches. That's the long-standing custom because their effectiveness is considered more important that the passers rights to privacy. If you don't like it, don't go there. Frankly, less arbitrary means will help their effectiveness.

    A much bigger question is whether these officials should have those powers. Whether passers rights should not be more respected. This is a deeply political question, to be settled by political means. Denying tools is only very indirect criticism.

    I would vastly have preferred airport security stay within the control of the airlines. Perhaps with federal "guidence". Then no question of 4th Amendment could come up. Or maybe "fruit of the poisoned vine" doctrine should be imposed: "20kg cocaine? Hmm ... that's not explosive. Have a nice flight, sir." :)

  22. Never again by cherokee158 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has it occurred to anyone that there will most likely NEVER be another successful hijacking of an airliner BECAUSE of 9/11? Any effort to do so will result in another Flight 93. It's not hard to be a hero when you know the only other option is death...I doubt any group of American passengers is likely to sit quietly the next time an Arab with a box cutter starts barking orders.

    The over-the-top security measures at our airports are simply political theater and not effective policing methods. I can't believe they still have everyone removing their shoes...thank goodness no one tried to smuggle an IED on board in a bodily orifice. And if anyone swiped MY kid's formula bottle because of some Kubrickian fear of fluids, I'd be on my way to Gitmo for attempting to bend a TSA agent into a pretzel.

    Why can't they simply take a nod from Israeli Airlines and stick a guy with an Uzi on board each plane? Lord knows I've been on flights where his presence would have been welcome, if only to subdue the toothless trailer park escapee trying to open the window at 30,000 feet.

    And why aren't these same security procedures in place at U-Haul? After all, they haven't always used airplanes to blow up buildings...

    All of the money being spent on this bloated home security apparatus, all of the money spent keeping the military stocked with munitions, all of the money spent devising better prosthetic limbs before all of the returning veterans hobbling around begin to make 'victory' in Iraq seem a bit of an oxymoron,,,all of this money might have been better spent reducing our dependence on fossil fuels three decades ago when it first became obvious how vulnerable we were to the vagaries of Middle-Eastern politics. If we'd spent even half the money we have wasted making ourselves feel safe from threats both real and imaginary since 9/11 on alternative fuel research ten years ago, Bin Laden would be penniless and living quietly in a tent in some arid desert, pulling the legs off of scorpions for his sick amusement, instead of enjoying eternal life as the bogeyman of the 21st century.

    It would be wise to remember that, througout history, many more people have been killed or imprisoned by their own government than any foreign power. It's probably not such a good idea to make it easy for them.

    1. Re:Never again by jimicus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Has it occurred to anyone that there will most likely NEVER be another successful hijacking of an airliner BECAUSE of 9/11? Any effort to do so will result in another Flight 93. It's not hard to be a hero when you know the only other option is death...I doubt any group of American passengers is likely to sit quietly the next time an Arab with a box cutter starts barking orders.

      I'd go several steps further.
      • Most hijackings are unsuccessful, because at some point the plane has to land. Normally, when it lands it's surrounded by a small army of armed law enforcement officials. September 11 is the first and only time that the goal was not to land the aircraft.
      • Since September 11, many countries have adopted a policy of shooting down hijacked aircraft.
      • Further, since September 11 aircraft have had stronger doors with locks fitted on the cabin. The captain can just carry on flying while the crazed hijacker has to deal with 2-400 angry passengers bearing down on them at once.


      It therefore follows that only the most mentally deranged terrorist group would even consider an aircraft hijacking today. It's expensive, and the chances of it all going to plan these days are practically zero.
    2. Re:Never again by BgJonson79 · · Score: 2

      I always wondered about Richard Reid myself. I'm surprised he was conscious and recognizable.

      As for your sig, didn't well regulated mean well equipped and trained? Aren't we all in the militia? If it wasn't to guarantee individual rights, why does the rest of the Amendment start with "the right of the people?" How can it be a state right when states don't have rights, but powers and responsibilities?

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  23. Sure, and thanks for asking. by ahfoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the information you're interested in. I'm sure you're genuinely interested rather than merely being one of these typical right wing assholes hoping to discredit any opinion you don't like by asking for documentation in the rhetorical manner of Rush Limbaugh or one of the many idiots at Fox News.
              I'm willing to assume you're not one of those fascist cunts and that you really are interested in the facts. In that case, this is the video I refer to:

    Easiest Targets: The Israeli Policy of Strip Searching Women and Children

    description:13-minute video: Five women - Palestinian, American, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish - tell stories of humiliation and harassment by Israeli border guards and airport security officials.

              In fact, you will find testimoney by American Christians and Jews as well as Palestinians if you take the time to watch the video.

    You can watch it at Google Video with the following link:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-691161000 548687549

    In addition, you can download the torrent from www.onebigtorrent.org which was formerly known as chomskytorrents.org.

    I would say enjoy the film, but it's not meant to be an enjoyable film.

    1. Re:Sure, and thanks for asking. by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks for the link. I was able to go from there to arrive at this group as having produced the film.

    2. Re:Sure, and thanks for asking. by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good to know that one can still become an expert on the Israeli/Palestinian issue by watching a thirteen-minute video put out by an obviously biased (in this case anti-Israel) propaganda group!

  24. Israeli airport security is easily gamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Americans who are visiting Israel once or twice tend to be deeply impressed with Israeli security. Once you get used to it, however, it is easily gamed -- many of the procedures haven't changed for decades, most of the inspectors are 20-somethings making minimum wage and subject to the same levels of boredom as the TSA, and increasingly they don't have the language skills required to do a good interrogation. Once you've gone through a few times, you know what to expect and, assuming you aren't Arab and aren't "in the computer", you can pretty much choose the level of harassment you want assuming you know how to convincingly lie, which is not a particularly difficult skill to learn (and pretty much a required skill for anyone doing work in the area, on either the Israeli or Arab side). And in fact even Palestinians know quite a few ways around the system -- sure, they will be harassed, but it is fairly predictable.

    I once did a business trip that involved visiting, in a two-week period, Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon (illegal at the time for US citizens, though plenty were there), back to Jordan, back into Israel, Egypt, then Israel again, then out Tel Aviv. I answered lots and lots of questions about where I had been, what I had done, etc etc, lying the whole time, never once came anywhere close to getting stopped. Again, it just isn't that hard...comes with the territory, for better or worse.

    Security going into Israel on carriers other than El Al is incredibly lax, worse at times than flights within the USA. So if someone wanted to try to smuggle explosives onto an airplane, in-bound would be the way to go, not out-bound through Tel Aviv. Given that the passenger profiles going into Israel are more or less the same as the profile going out, you'd make the same political statement.

    So yes, it is mostly theater and pseudo-science, but makes a great first impression. And folks are making huge amounts of money "consulting" with the Dept of Homeland Security, who no one has ever accused of being the sharpest pencils in the box, on various hare-brained schemes like this.

  25. The freedom to feel contemptuous of government by dircha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is critically important that every American understand what is happening here. The TSA is a government agency. This is not "vote with your dollars" and choose a different airline. This is your federal government detaining and searching you based on how you feel about them. Your government has announced it reserves the right to detain and search you for any reason whatsoever, including bearing the expression of one who holds that same government and its agents, for these very practices, in utter contempt.

    And through your hard earned tax dollars you are funding them and their cronies to do this to you. As much as 60% of your working life will be directly to fund the government that is doing this to you, that government whose agents are shouting and you with a boot on your head, with your trousers dropped, and an agent's cold hand - big brother's hand - telling you it is for your own good, that if you would only fall in line they would not have to do this.

    But don't worry, so long as you smile, keep your mouth shut, and fall in line, you won't be bothered, citizen.

    It is only a matter of time if we do not dramatically reverse course now. If this presidential election comes down to a race between Hillary or Obama and Giuliani, Thompson, or Romney, the decline will only accelerate. If we do not reverse course now, in 8 years we will very likely have passed the point of no return, where these policies are accepted by the populous, where the police state propaganda has thoroughly subdued them, and we will be unable to rouse them to fight.

    To avoid this fate you must act now. Get behind a candidate who you can count on not to sell us out to the military industrial complex, who you can count on to wrest us free from the interests of large bankers and financial institutions, who you can count on to defend the letter of the Constitution in its original spirit, for which the blood of many patriots was shed.

    And that doesn't mean just posting on internet forums. That means volunteering to travel to, to write to, and to call citizens in the primary states. If we do not get wins for these candidates in the primaries, it will be as good as lost. Now is the time to act to defend your freedom, or you will soon find it has been taken from you and it will be too late. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

  26. And even if you do sweat... by mi · · Score: 2, Informative

    I visited Israel thrice. On the first visit everyone was searched — in a remote terminal in El Al's exclusive use in a German transfer-point. It was rather annoyed by having to drag my checked-in luggage (which I planned not to see until Tel Aviv) and re-check it in again.

    On the second flight, I went through a detailed search both ways — in and out of the country. Somehow these experts read my body-language as suspicious... First, at JFK, they took me to a special room, where they even took my shoes away for X-raying...

    On the way back in Tel Aviv, I was also flagged, and the searchers' zeal went even further as they took a test-shot with my camera (to see, if it was real).

    Only on the third flight, which was not by El Al did I escape the scrutiny. Either because Continental is not as paranoid (much to the annoyance of some of the Israelis on the flight), or because I was flying with my (very) significant other — a couple is always perceived to be of lower risk.

    Now, here why I was not offended. First and foremost, because the Israeli searchers were always extremely polite, well-mannered, and respectful — unlike a typical TSA asshole. (I don't know, why that is. Maybe, because America's low unemployment forces TSA to hire and keep lower quality people...) When they asked for my shoes, for example, they pulled me a chair, so I would not have to stand on the floor bare-feet. After the search, one of them escorted me all the way to the plane chatting and apologizing continuously and handed me over to the stewardess (cutting the line of the boarding passengers), who apologized once more.

    Or, maybe, because they weren't looking for bullshit like scissors and other implements, which no terrorist will ever use on a plane again, because it just would not work any more... Because now that we learned, that some hijackers may not be interested in ever landing the hijacked vessel — the passengers and crew will fight them head on (as they did the Shoe Bomber).

    Or, more likely, a combination of both factors.

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  27. Just for the record by Sun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Flew out of Tel Aviv air port a week ago with a bottle of mineral water in my carry-on. No problem.

    I've been warned (and I actually saw a sign in the air port in France to that effect) that my return trip will not be so lenient.

    Shachar

  28. But Ekman may not be right by FreelanceWizard · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ekman's research is based primarily on the theoretical principle that facial emotional displays are an automatic, uncontrolled process -- in other words, that you smile reflexively because you're happy. In this paradigm, attempting to restrict the display of a facial display will produce a strange expression that'll be easily recognized as fake.

    Obviously, that doesn't explain everything. Much to my chagrin, I actually do research in this messy field, and what we've found is that the Ekman approach isn't as good as one would think. One of the issues of Ekman's research is that it's typically done on staged photographs. When we use emotion raters trained on Ekman's Facial Action Coding System to judge the emotional displays in videos of real people making real displays, the inter-rater reliability falls through the floor. (It's even worse if you split off from Ekman's "basic emotion" categories, which are of dubious utility in the real world anyway.) It's not as bad as untrained raters, but it's still not great. This evidence suggests that there's something else going on besides an automatized process. Russell, another researcher in this field, purports an alternative explanation: that emotional displays are in many cases controlled social processes, and can't really be interpreted outside of a social context.

    In any event, the parent is right. The claims on "micro-expressions" and Ekman's FACS in general are not nearly as defensible as their proponents in the TSA would like you to believe. From a signal detection standpoint, the problem isn't so much that you'll have misses, but that you'll have false alarms. More worrying, though, is our line of research shows that the miss and false alarm rates are in many ways a function of individual differences. In other words, some raters err more towards too many identifications (high FA rate), and others err towards too few (high miss rate).

    As boring as it sounds, more research is needed before this is implemented -- "this" being any security measure based on Ekman's research.

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    1. Re:But Ekman may not be right by Woldry · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I always wonder whether acting is taken into consideration when studies like this are done. Are these coding systems ever applied to footage from, say, Laurence Olivier's movies? Dustin Hoffman's? Emma Thompson's? I'd be immensely curious to see whether the faked emotions of actors register under these coding systems as being faked.

      I do some theater on the side -- both directing and acting. The best acting recreates emotional states in remarkable physiological detail. In slow moments, waiting in line (at the airport, for instance), I will often be silently practicing different emotional states and situations, either simply hypothetical or actual scenes from shows I'm working on. This discussion makes me wonder whether, if I were rehearsing, say, Jasper's soliloquy from "Drood" (in which he reminisces about his opium-addled attempt at murdering his nephew), I might not display "microexpressions" of murderous fury, fiendish glee, shocked realization, guilty grief. If so, would this coding system register such things?

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  29. Re:I don't get it. by Torodung · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To everyone who says that this is jackbooted Oppressiveness, what exactly do you propose should we do to make sure that hijackers can't get on a plane? Nothing at all. They get on the plane.

    However, we must make sure the hijackers don't get control of that plane. If, by some miracle, they do get control, there must be little payoff and control must be difficult to maintain, and those facts should be publicized.

    As a corollary, if getting control of a plane remains easy and the payoff is large (or perceived to be large), there is nothing you can do to keep the hijackers out. All you can do is put everyone in a TSA-approved, pocketless, uniform flight suit and disallow all carry-ons without medical certification (pre-certified, doctor authorized medicine/equipment, positive ID).

    All you can do is to deny them weapons.

    We are headed in this direction because of the hysterical intent to keep all undesirables off an insecure plane. If this is truly our intent, status quo in-flight security to protect the airline industry from having to spend money (or brook government influence in their business practices if the government were in charge of in-flight security), then let's forget the patronizing baby steps and go there already. Bring out the jumpsuits already!

    That's the consequence of not securing the plane.

    Personally, I say put sane security measures in place on the plane and let them try. We need to spend the appropriate money on in-flight security, and we need to stop hemming and hawing about how it's going to be done. If we can spend this much money trying to sponsor a failing democracy in Iraq, we can find the money for in-flight security.

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  30. What crap. by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Insightful
    TFA:

    Let's just hope they don't get swamped with false positives.

    Lets hope they DO get swamped with false positives and stop with this nonsense. Damn. What a bunch of fascist crap.

    RS

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  31. Yay Freedom by $beirdo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This kind of shit makes me ashamed to be an American.

  32. Same old, same old by turing_m · · Score: 2, Funny

    I suspect that one of the most notorious behaviors detected and promptly investigated by the ever watchful TSA will be the attempt to conceal a large pair of breasts.

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