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AT&T Stops 'Time', Ends An Era

theoeag writes "Starting in September, you will no longer be able to pick up a landline, payphone, etc and find out what time it is at the beep. AT&T, which has had the service since the 20s, cited a lack of demand in the digital age as the reason for "time"'s extinction. Actually, the service had already stopped in most states, but Nevada and California — with their large rural and unmapped areas — were still holding out, should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know the time of day. But no more! The "Time Machine", which consisted of two large drum-like devices that contained several audio-tracks and a quite advanced system for syncing up with the caller, will probably end up in a museum, anxiously awaiting the arrival of its cousin: The Pay-Phone."

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  1. Evil by calvy · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is by far the most evil thing AT&T has done. How can they take time away from us? Gasp

    1. Re:Evil by sqldr · · Score: 5, Funny

      How can they take time away from us?

      They usually do that by way of their automated call-queueing system.

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  2. Kind of sad by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember listening to this in the early 60's. I thought that it was pretty. Obviously, the current tech surpases that. In fact, You will shortly be able to obtain an atomic clock chip at a "reasonable" price. But the idea of just picking up the phone and getting the tick off was reassuring, esp when we had lost electricity for up to 2 weeks at a time.

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    1. Re:Kind of sad by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I was a kid in Miami, early Fifties, the service was known as "the Coca-Cola Lady"...she'd give a one-sentence plug for Coke before announcing the time.

      rj

    2. Re:Kind of sad by Garabito · · Score: 2, Funny

      In fact, You will shortly be able to obtain an atomic clock chip at a "reasonable" price

      Yes, and plutonium will be available at every corner drugstore.

  3. Inevitable... by nweaver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You have NNTP, the broadcast atomic clock information, and the cell-phone network, all of which provide exquisitly accurate time to everyone.

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    1. Re:Inevitable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      What does a news server have to do with time?

    2. Re:Inevitable... by Enoxice · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you have an extra 'N' in there somewhere...

      NTP
      NNTP

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    3. Re:Inevitable... by dashslotter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't care! Calling "time" is like pinging yahoo. Warm fuzzies when you connect....

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    4. Re:Inevitable... by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt if someone in a developing country was too poor to own a watch he would be spending his money calling long distance to California, where the service is being stopped, to get the time of day.

    5. Re:Inevitable... by pjviitas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless you live on Baffin Island...then you need a Seiko Quartz Alpinist.

      Loses about 10 seconds a year.

      Hedghog

    6. Re:Inevitable... by multipartmixed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What network is this?

      I know a certain network operator that had to buy a bunch of cesium clocks when they were upgrading from AMPS to TDMA. This was because the T in TDMA stands for "Time", and the timeslice needs minor monkey business when the phone is far from the tower, because of SOL propagation delay. To do TDMA with a sufficiently small slice to be useful, you need VERY accurate clocks.

      And this probably still true today, as GSM is a TDM scheme.

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    7. Re:Inevitable... by RubberDuckie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or like 'ping 4.2.2.1'. If that server ever gets eliminated, I will be one unhappy camper.

    8. Re:Inevitable... by rwoodford · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you really need to hear a talking clock, call 202-762-1401. The service is provided by the US Naval Observatory.

    9. Re:Inevitable... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The UK speaking clock, on 123, still works. American who need a time fix can call +44 123, as long as they remember to convert from GMT to their own time zone.

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    10. Re:Inevitable... by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm worried that one day they'll eliminate 127.0.0.1! The day they take that offline I'm in big trouble!

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    11. Re:Inevitable... by thogard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, NNTP works fine, you just have to grep the news spool for a recently posted article.

  4. I feel sorry... by Treskin · · Score: 3, Funny

    I feel really sorry for whoever gets assigned the POP-CORN phone number.

    1. Re:I feel sorry... by Treskin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny, I had never Wiki'ed POP-CORN before. I guess this is only used in Northern California so I suppose most won't get the joke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_clock

  5. Sad by davidc · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sad to see this go. I didn't use it very much but it was kind of reassuring that it was there. Okay, I'm crazy!

    I once answered the phone at work, and found that the call was the speaking clock. Weird... folks told me it was probably returning all the past calls I'd placed to it.

    1. Re:Sad by catbutt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My weird experience with "time" was one time I called it, and could hear the muffled sounds of everyone else who called it (with the time lady playing in the foreground). So it became like a big chat room, where everyone was asking what other people's real numbers were so they could call them and chat with random people of the opposite sex.

      Since this was approximately 1977 and there was no internet, well, it seemed pretty cool for the few days it lasted.

    2. Re:Sad by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Whilst Asterisk (especially in conjunction with a Grandstream Handytone ATA and a voice modem with ALSA drivers) is in most respects the fabled "sky blue pink box with yellow spots on", you cannot spoof caller ID with it. The only known way of spoofing caller ID (without the assistance of a telco) is for you to be on a Strowger exchange (i.e. non-DTMF) and the person on the far end still to have one of the first-generation Cable TV phones with caller ID (which used DTMF tones sent between the ringing pulses, as opposed to the 1200 baud modem tones used by modern caller ID). After dialling, and before they answer, press * to switch your phone to DTMF; any digits you dial will be appended to the display (which will scroll, and lose the original number [sent by the cableco] off the LHS. This behaviour is rather a giveaway). I don't believe there are any clicky-clicky exchanges left anymore (you can buy DTMF-only phones for home use, and they don't come with any warnings).

      Even if you have your own PRI, you get allocated (or can buy) a block of 30 numbers to go with it. You can assign any of those thirty numbers as the visible ident on any of your thirty B-channels, even to all of them at once; but if you try to assign a number that isn't yours to one of your lines, then it won't work -- it will come up on the far end's telephone as "number withheld". This all happens transparently and you do not receive any error messages.

      I know this from experience, because we ordered a second PRI; and sometimes when we tried to ident a line on PRI2 with a number from the PRI1 group, it would bomb out. Turned out that (due to a spelling mistake on the order form) BT hadn't properly associated the two lines with each other (they thought we were two different companies, and so not entitled to use each other's numbers). It didn't bomb every time, because (1) sometimes the calls were going out over PRI1 and (2) some people's lines still accept anonymous calls. Only once we had made this connection did anyone from the phone company have any clue what was up .....

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    3. Re:Sad by cduffy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even if you have your own PRI, you get allocated (or can buy) a block of 30 numbers to go with it. You can assign any of those thirty numbers as the visible ident on any of your thirty B-channels, even to all of them at once; but if you try to assign a number that isn't yours to one of your lines, then it won't work -- it will come up on the far end's telephone as "number withheld". This all happens transparently and you do not receive any error messages.
      Time Warner Telecom only implemented this correctly within the last few years. When we first got our PRI, any arbitrary CID value was passed through transparently.

      (What's this about 30 b-channels, btw? I'm used to 23 b-channels and 1 d-channel).
  6. Don't pick up that phone by Applekid · · Score: 4, Funny
    TFA:

    One upside: AT&T says doing away with time would enable the creation of about 300,000 new phone numbers in California beginning with the 853 or 767 prefixes. Great, just what I need if I get one of those new numbers: questions about what time is it. Yes, my refridgerator is also running and there's no need to catch it, either.
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    1. Re:Don't pick up that phone by TALlama · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Northern California, the prefix for calling time is 767, or P-O-P on a telephone keypad. For decades, locals up there have dialed POPCORN any time they have had to reset their watches or reprogram electronic gadgets after a power failure.

      First thought: Neat!

      Second thought: Why do those Northern Californians get a neat number, and we Southern Californians don't?

      Third thought: I can make one! Let's see.... UKELELE!

      Fourth thought: And that will be useful for precisely two more days. Great.
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  7. From TFA... by amccaf1 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Although not immediately related to the subject at hand, I found this interesting:

    By far the most prominent time lady was Jane Barbe, who succeeded Moore at Audichron in the 1960s. A former big band singer, Barbe (pronounced "Barbie") went on to become the voice of recorded telephone messages in the 1970s and '80s in the United States and elsewhere.

    Along with her interpretations of the time and current temperature, Barbe delivered the bad news too, telling you that circuits in a specific area were busy, please try again later, or that your call cannot be completed as dialed.

    And who will ever forget her heartbreaking rendition of "I'm sorry, the number you have dialed is no longer in service"?

    Barbe died of cancer-related complications in 2003 at age 74. It's estimated that at the height of her fame, Barbe's voice was heard worldwide about 40 million times a day.
    I'm going to be freaked out the next time I hear that voice and realize that -- like that old lady in the episode of THE TWILIGHT ZONE -- I'm hearing a voice from the grave...
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    1. Re:From TFA... by LMacG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There used to be a website with a bunch of the "Bell System" recorded announcements. Unfortunately, I just checked my bookmark and got a 404 for the subpage, and just a parked domain notice for the site. Guess I should have saved them when I could.

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    2. Re:From TFA... by businessnerd · · Score: 2, Informative
      Here's my personal favorite...

      I'm sorry, the fingers you have used to dial are too fat. To obtain a special dialing wand, mash the keypad with your palm now.
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    3. Re:From TFA... by TALlama · · Score: 2, Informative

      Happy Birthday (by way of Wikipedia).

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  8. Jacking Into The Matrix by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 4, Funny

    "anxiously awaiting the arrival of its cousin: The Pay-Phone."

    That's gonna make escaping Agent Smith just THAT much harder.

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  9. Ehhh... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Funny

    It was all relative, anyway...

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  10. Re:How do you set your clocks? by drsquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How does everyone set their clocks without calling time?
    Teletext.
  11. Advanced Technology by nairnr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whoa, we must have been ahead of the curve. We used to get Time AND Temperature!!!

  12. Re:How do you set your clocks? by Sunburnt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How does everyone set their clocks without calling time?

    From my cell phone, like I imagine most folks do. Heck, I hardly see anyone my age (late 20's) or younger wearing watches anymore for that same reason.

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  13. What ended the AT&T time service by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing that finally made the AT&T time service over telephone lines obselete was the dramatic reduction in the cost of small clocks that allow you to pick up the 60 kHz WWVB time signal. In fact, you can get wristwatches around US$40 that can do that now (I have a Casio wrist watch that does this).

  14. And yet by simong · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the UK, we got a new speaking clock earlier this year. It's been sponsored for more than twenty years too.

  15. Re:How do you set your clocks? by glpierce · · Score: 4, Informative
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  16. Re:How do you set your clocks? by nairnr · · Score: 3, Informative

    All of the phones I have every had sync themselves up with the provider. Even when traveling around, it will pick up the local time without any intervention...

  17. No disrespect to the dead meant... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Funny

    But we used to call her the "Bell Bitch"

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  18. my kid by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My seven-year-old daughter had never heard it. I read the LA Times article this morning, dialed the number nostalgically for myself, and then went and explained it to my daughter. She had all these questions, like "By the time they say what time it is, isn't it already over?" and "Do they do it every second?" I had imagined that it was just part of our universally shared culture, but it was obviously a completely foreign concept to her. I dialed it for her and had her listen. She listened and smiled at me indulgently.

  19. Re:How do you set your clocks? by dcollins · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, I go to http://www.time.gov/ .

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  20. Re:It's more than sad. Help! Anyone got alternativ by jimstapleton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Give them a number starting in 411, i.e. (area code)-411-whatever, such as (419)-411-4321

    They won't know the difference, but the locale should transfer them to information.

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  21. Re:It's more than sad. Help! Anyone got alternativ by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

    202 456 1414

    No productive work goes on there, so you won't be interrupting anyone.

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  22. Re:How do you set your clocks? by quantum+bit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sundial.

  23. Not dead yet! by p_trekkie · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the US Naval Observatory, which maintains the official time for the US still has the voice announcer available over the phone. According to this page the numbers are
    (202) 762-1401 and (202) 762-1069
    for Washington DC and
    (719) 567-6742
    for the alternate master clock in Colorado Springs, CO.

  24. The payphone? NEVER! by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 3, Funny

    The payphone will never be obsolete so long as we have Superman.

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  25. Re:How do you set your clocks? by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Funny

    when I tried to use mine for DST at about 2:00am it was malfunctioning, the dark shadow was smeared all over the dial

  26. Ah, memories... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was just thinking about this the other day for some reason!

    One memory I have from youth is taking my oh-so-new-and-cool digital watch and carefully synchronizing it exactly to the beep when I called time. :)

    Of course, later I synced my watch one day to the atomic clock, and then for some reason decided to check it against 853-1212. Imagine my geek outrage when freakin' Time was FORTY SECONDS OFF. I felt like an idiot for carefully syncing my watch all that time.

    *sigh* another naive belief of youth falls. ("I mean, it's the phone company, of course they'd carefully ensure that 853-1212 has the exact time to the millisecond!")

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  27. Sure do -- some of these services still exist by FreelanceWizard · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can still get time and temperature (preceded by an advertisement for Captain D's) at:

    901-526-5261

    It's commonly known around Memphis, TN -- at least among those who know about it -- as "JAMJAM1".

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  28. Why it existed by Joaz+Banbeck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, for legal reasons that wouldn't work. You see, they need to use the same time marking as the billing system.

    I found this out years ago when my GF was getting really persistent obscene phone calls. We called the phone company to ask for their help. They said to write down the time and date of each call. They specifically said to call their number for the time. I asked why. They said that way they could be sure who made the call to within 10 seconds, otherwise an eventual prosecution of the caller was sure to fail because the defense could argue that the GF's clock was off by just a few minutes, and that would be room for reasonable doubt.

    BTW, I presume that they have concluded that it is no longer neccesary because everyone's cell phone has relatively accurate time ( and the clocks that are set according to cell time ).

    1. Re:Why it existed by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 4, Funny

      I found this out years ago when my GF was getting really persistent obscene phone calls.
      Sorry about that. I've moved on and starting harassing someone else's GF. No hard feelings, I hope. :)

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    2. Re:Why it existed by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Funny

      You mean Europeople have to manually set the time? I think you're lying.

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  29. Lost Motorist or Weary Hiker? by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, the service had already stopped in most states, but Nevada and California -- with their large rural and unmapped areas -- were still holding out, should the lost motorist or weary hiker need to know the time of day.
    I am lost in the uncharted areas of California or Nevada and the most important thing I need to know is the time? Are these hikers and lost motorists navigating with a sextant?

    If I have access to a phone to call the time, shouldn't I be able to call for help?
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  30. Re:How do you set your clocks? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had a Sprint phone that would not recognize it was in Arizona in the Summer. AZ in the Summer is the same as West Coast time (AZ doesn't "Spring forward") so my cell time was off by an hour. The cell company swore to me that was not possible. Other folks on the network had the right time, and my phone was set to Network for time.

  31. Re:It's more than sad. Help! Anyone got alternativ by WMD_88 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    NIST: 303 499 7111
    Gives time in UTC, so you'll have to shift over for your time zone.

  32. Re:How do you set your clocks? by Deep+Penguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes... well... I wear a wrist watch while carrying a cellphone, among other reasons, because I have to change the battery in my watch every 24 months, whereas my phone can't last as long as a week between charges. Also, there are places I go where there is no cell service (some rural areas in the Midwest, subbasements where signals can't reach, Antarctica, etc.), or is forbidden (airplanes in flight). I'm sure someone will tell me to buy a new phone, but the one I have doesn't provide the time unless it's attached to the cell network, and doesn't have a "flight" mode. So, no signal == no battery.

    In short, the watch happens to be a reasonably foolproof way of checking the time, especially since I frequently find myself looking at a blank or "searching for service" cellphone screen.

  33. If only it were possible... by BJD3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if someone could develop a global system of flying objects that could somehow measure the contours of the earth.

    Then, finally, we would be able to discover what actually lies in these vast 'unmapped' areas of 'nevada' and 'california'.
    Imagine the possibilities.

  34. Re:It's more than sad. Help! Anyone got alternativ by putaro · · Score: 2, Funny

    867-5309