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Storm Worm More Powerful Than Top Supercomputers

Stony Stevenson writes to mention that some security researchers are claiming that the Storm Worm has grown so massive that it could rival the world's top supercomputers in terms of raw power. "Sergeant said researchers at MessageLabs see about 2 million different computers in the botnet sending out spam on any given day, and he adds that he estimates the botnet generally is operating at about 10 percent of capacity. 'We've seen spikes where the owner is experimenting with something and those spikes are usually five to 10 times what we normally see,' he said, noting he suspects the botnet could be as large as 50 million computers. 'That means they can turn on the taps whenever they want to.'"

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  1. Massive storm worm? by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where's Paul Atredies when you need him?

    1. Re:Massive storm worm? by phobos13013 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps operating the botnet! It sounds like he has plans laid within plans laid within plans!

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    2. Re:Massive storm worm? by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some guys have all the luck. I'd be happy just planning to be laid.

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    3. Re:Massive storm worm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Relax, sooner or later someone will come back through time and kill botnet before it takes over the world.

    4. Re:Massive storm worm? by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

      We stopped that when a few people once played out the entire script of Dumb and Dumber using characters registered just for the purpose. Harry, Lloyd and Mary were just one guy who'd spent 3 months trying to get his own +5 ROTFL thread. Unfortunately I found it so pathetic that I hunted him down, staples his fingers to his keyboard, his nads to his chair, then left him watching the first episode of the Teletubbies on repeat at full volume. Had I seen Saw at that point then I may have had some better ideas.

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    5. Re:Massive storm worm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mod parent up +Funny! ROTFLMAO!!!

  2. Fine the technically illiterate by ComradeSnarky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should write a virus that uses exploits to install stuff like Folding@Home etc. If people pose a nuisance/danger to others in real life they get fined/jailed, if they pose a nuisance/danger online by letting their computers be compromised then they should face "punishment" by "fining" them part of their CPU power.

    1. Re:Fine the technically illiterate by QMO · · Score: 5, Funny

      Folding@Home is the biggest waste of time on the Internet without exception. It's worthless.
      Not quite. Don't forget World of Warcraft.
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    2. Re:Fine the technically illiterate by laparel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea! Let's go fucking experiment on retards; since they're just "nuisance" to society we might as well make them our guinea pigs.

    3. Re:Fine the technically illiterate by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Fsck that, they should install a vaccine that makes the machine unbootable, and more or less requires a re-install and shutdown the system."

      MS already offer a range of products that do just that, I hear they are very popular. :0

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    4. Re:Fine the technically illiterate by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...if they pose a nuisance/danger online by letting their computers be compromised then they should face "punishment" by "fining" them part of their CPU power.
      In other words, you want to punish people for not being geeks.

      That sort of self-righteous bullshit is exactly how criminals rationalize their own misdeeds — such as botnets.
    5. Re:Fine the technically illiterate by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would like to punish them for being naive and oblivious about the fact that a PC attached to a network is a complex responsibility.
      So nobody but a geek should be allowed to have a networked computer? Not only is that morally absurd (punishing people for owning infestable technology is like punishing Pinto owners for buying a car that tends to explode), it would destroy the online economy. Off which more than a few of us make our livings.

      If you want to start regulating who and what can or cannot connect to the Internet (you can't, it's not politically feasible to introduce such a rule, or practical to enforce it; but let's say you can) then you should ban all PCs from the Internet. People would only be allowed to access the Internet via network appliances like the Foleo, which are relatively resistant to malware because they don't support on-the-fly software installation.

      Right now, you're sputtering and saying something that begins with "Why should I have to give up ...." Well dude, you just made a proposal that would have a lot of other people making similar protests. It's a lot easier to play social engineer when only other people are affected by your proposals.
    6. Re:Fine the technically illiterate by GooberToo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to the DoD, botnets pose a danger to national security. Accordingly, I just don't understand why the DoD, under the guise of national security, doesn't create their own worm which infects the systems which simply uninstalls its NIC driver. They can then change the screen saver, all found browser's homepage, and desktop to indicate the system has been removed from the internet for national security reasons because their system was infected. It should then instruct them to reinstall their system with a firewall installed before they reconnect to the internet.

      By doing this they immediately stop both DoS and spam vectors. They alert the user owning the computer their computer has been infected. By simply uninstalling the NIC driver, they have not caused any long term damage. If they manage to annoy both the end user and ISP enough, one or the other is likely to do something to prevent recurring issues.

      Obviously the botnet owner can attempt to prevent this but at least it turns into a cat and mouse game between the owner and the DoD. As such, the botnet owner must now spend resources protecting their harvest rather than exploiting its capabilities. So it seems like a win-win to me.

    7. Re:Fine the technically illiterate by Kpt+Kill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Warning Foo.exe is try...[OK] Warning WinCom.exe is attempting to [Allow] Warning Internet Explorer is being told to [Permit] "Ahhh Finally, I can get to the internet. These pop ups are ridiculous." And this is the problem. To use the car analogy: It can blink and beep a million times that Red 'OIL' Icon, but unless you actually know or pay attention to that warning... well poof.

    8. Re:Fine the technically illiterate by tsm_sf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is there a reason we actually need tortured analogies for something as simple as this? We all get it. You may or may not agree, but bringing your car into the situation has to be the slashdot version of mentioning nazis in usenet.

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  3. Imagine... by nuclearpenguins · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine a beowulf clus.... never mind.

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  4. Co-opt it.. remove it. by bigattichouse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just don't see why if 1) there are known decompiled versions of it and 2) the network activity can be monitored. why 3) Hasn't code been written to exploit the 'sploit and shut them down. Something that infiltrates, but keeps them running for - oh, say a week - while the exploit percolates through the system, and then kills and patches the running process.

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    1. Re:Co-opt it.. remove it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm not aware of any decompiled version. Storm detects when it's being run in a virtual machine and features heavy obfuscation and code morphing.

      I see storm as a monoculture problem, the blame can largely be leveled at Microsoft.

    2. Re:Co-opt it.. remove it. by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In addition to the complexity of the Storm worm, most zombies are set to be self-patching, for exactly the reason you mention. Many trojans, worms, and viruses actually remove other threats (using a pirated version of Kaspersky's software) and generally install patches. Once the hacker has stolen your computer, he doesn't want someone else stealing it away from him.

    3. Re:Co-opt it.. remove it. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. The blame can largely by levelled at the purchasers.

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    4. Re:Co-opt it.. remove it. by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the real question is -- what are the FBI / police doing about it? There's a huge, ongoing, major crime happening, and there is apparently no police activity at all.

      Rich.

    5. Re:Co-opt it.. remove it. by Twanfox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Device drivers installed and the presence of an 'interface' device between host and guest OS, most likely. At least, I know that VMWare Server and Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 both present a device that, once proper drivers are installed for OS integration, will allow the guest and host to operate cooperatively. Even if the drivers aren't installed, the device is still there and could likely be probed for it's existence.

      Of course, this is just a guess.

    6. Re:Co-opt it.. remove it. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, if the CPU virtualization is imperfect, it may be possible to detect either anomalies in the emulation, or by monitoring things like CPU cycle counters. And even if the CPU is emulated perfectly, you can also check for things like known bugs in peripherals, etc, which may not have been correctly emulated.

    7. Re:Co-opt it.. remove it. by Victor+Antolini · · Score: 3, Informative

      And your guess is correct, a program must simply check for device ID's, for example, the video card. 00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMware Inc [VMware SVGA II] PCI Display Adapter These can't be changed on VMware, but in theory they could be changed in VirtualBox or BOCHS for example.

    8. Re:Co-opt it.. remove it. by bilabrin · · Score: 2

      So, and please pardon my ignorance here, is there just one guy controlling this thing? And couldn't an infected sytem be analyzed resulting in the discovery of the passwords/encryption keys which operate it?

  5. Storm Worm - good name for sci-fi novel by pzs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Plot idea 1: Near future. Governments completely dependent on their IT infrastructure. Organised crime in control of huge botnet able to hold government to ransom. With hilarious consequences.

    Plot idea 2: Now-ish. Script kiddie unleashes attack using enormous botnet. Runs out of control. Becomes so deeply imbedded into internet that it's impossible to shut down without "rebooting" the whole infrastructure. With hilarious consequences.

    Plot idea 3: Medium future. Internet and control of botnets becomes so intrinsic to society that governments have less importance than internet societies. Whole "countries" exist as virtual connections of affiliated machines. With hilarious consequences.

    Any of the above would work well as a Hollywood movie given Angelina Jolie and lots of gratuitous and incorrect techno-babble.

    Peter

    1. Re:Storm Worm - good name for sci-fi novel by sugarman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Plot idea 1: Near future. Governments completely dependent on their IT infrastructure. Organised crime in control of huge botnet able to hold government to ransom. With hilarious consequences Vernor Vinge, "True Names", 1981

      Plot idea 2: Now-ish. Script kiddie unleashes attack using enormous botnet. Runs out of control. Becomes so deeply imbedded into internet that it's impossible to shut down without "rebooting" the whole infrastructure. With hilarious consequences. Pat Cadigan, Synners, 1991
      (for various versions of "script kiddie", I guess)

      Plot idea 3: Medium future. Internet and control of botnets becomes so intrinsic to society that governments have less importance than internet societies. Whole "countries" exist as virtual connections of affiliated machines. With hilarious consequences. Cory Doctorow, Eastern Standard Tribe, 2004

      Of course, the above are only approximations of the listed plots. Someone with a deeper knowledge might be able to provide a better match.

      Have you considered visiting your library? =)
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    2. Re:Storm Worm - good name for sci-fi novel by bytesex · · Score: 4, Funny

      As long as it means operating the escape key with one of Angelinas boobies, I'm all for it !

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    3. Re:Storm Worm - good name for sci-fi novel by arivanov · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Plot No 4.

      A Government agency of a country whose main opponent is heavily dependant on the Internet finds the owner of the botnet and put a nice simlpe and utterly conventional 9mm gun to his head to surrender the keys to it.

      A day later it uses this newly attained power to wipe out its adversary off the Internet map. While some internal company communication still occurs communication between companies which is mostly done over the Internet dies instantly. Stock market goes into a tailspin and the economy of the victim collapses into deep recession.

      Considering the level of dependence USA and most NATO countries have on the Internet for day-to-day operation of their business infrastructure this plot is not far off in the future.

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  6. Follow the money by inflex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At some point the flow of money will have to converge in a meaningful way, that should help picking up a few scalps. Of course, it's probably going to be like beheading a hydra. Welcome to the net-mafia.

    As a side issue, how hard is it for an ISP to see an IP sending out the typical spam mail and closing off that IP/client.

    Perhaps now is a good time to push for better adoption of SPF (though surely RMX would have been faster to implement?)

    1. Re:Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a side issue, how hard is it for an ISP to see an IP sending out the typical spam mail and closing off that IP/client. That may be dangerous ground. Show an ISP who can invade their users' traffic enough to sniff out a particular worm, and you'll have the **AA swooping in demanding that the ISP also sniff out illegal torrents, .gov insisting that their ability to catalog your pr0n collection is more important, bad parents insisting that the ISP filter out anything that might show their children a boob, etc.
    2. Re:Follow the money by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm willing to take a few risks and take care of my own security to protect my liberty. I know, it's going out of fashion, but an old dog doesn't like learning new tricks.

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  7. "Add the computers together"? by gardyloo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So this botnet rivals supercomputers for power as long as it's working on some purely parallelizeable problem. Like, for instance, sending spam messages.

    1. Re:"Add the computers together"? by forgoil · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is there some kind of standardized performance metric for sending spam messages? Might be that supercomputers are super at that particular problem and would beat a botnet. Give me numbers people! IBM, come on, you built a machine to play chess, now build the ultimate spam bot!

    2. Re:"Add the computers together"? by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is there some kind of standardized performance metric for sending spam messages? Of course there is: Libraries of Congress per second.
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  8. Usul, we have wormsign... by ciaohound · · Score: 2, Funny

    the likes of which even God has never seen.

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  9. Threat to national security? by ckedge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't this so large that it should be deemed a threat to national security? Not just to one country's national security, but ANY country's. Shouldn't there be a half dozen senior analysts from a few different countrys and from NATO HUNTING the people that control this thing and figuring out how to neutralize it?

    1. Re:Threat to national security? by jdogalt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any country whose top tech advisers aren't fans of battlestar, and thus know to keep all critical infrastructure independent of networked computers, deserves what it gets.

    2. Re:Threat to national security? by MrMr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd say this is a bigger threat than terrorism
      You mean as bad as drunk driving, smoking, unsafe sex, lax gun-laws, police brutality, alcohol consumption, government corruption, cheap paint on toys, corporate fraud, poor personal hygiene, bad weather, poor infrastructure maintenance, racism, communism, capitalism, and being cruel to small animals for no particular reason?

    3. Re:Threat to national security? by edward2020 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know dude, tell me about it. It seems like everyone in the world knows my cock is small and wants to sell me herbal enhancements . And now that I think about it, I've never even met a terrrorist.

      Just think if this loss of self-confidence spreads. Tomorrow it may be you getting e-mails about your small cock. And so on and so forth. Why, next week everyone identifying themselves as part of Western civilzation may get this ego popping email,

      "Dames always srieked at me and even men did in the free lavatory! Well, now I whizgiggle at them, because I took [product name omitted] for 4 months and now my prick is hugely weightier than federal."

      And though I've little experience in the matter, since I always pay for my lavatory visits, there are very few of us who are more hugely weightier than federal

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    4. Re:Threat to national security? by SoulRider · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They should and they are not, what does that tell you?

    5. Re:Threat to national security? by rastoboy29 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're assuming they actually want to fix the problem.  MS knew that Outlook automatically executing binary attachments was a bad idea for about...10 years before they fixed it.  Clearly, this is not what they want.

      I'll leave the conclusions to draw from that assumption as an exercise for the reader.

  10. Microsoft can help, but isn't by courtarro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why hasn't Microsoft added Storm to its Malicious Software Removal Tool?

    1. Re:Microsoft can help, but isn't by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why hasn't Microsoft added Storm to its Malicious Software Removal Tool?

      Why don't more ISPs (like Comcast and Roadrunner) self-police their machines on a much more frequent basis and knock these customers offline? 99% of the limited spam and the massive amounts of trackback attempts, other web attacks, etc all come from residential cable connections.

      I know that Comcast can check their network for infected hosts and shut them off. They need to do a much better job of it.

    2. Re:Microsoft can help, but isn't by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which is why you don't completely nock them off the net, you block everything except port 80, and redirect that to a site explaining how to get rid of the infection. For bonus points, you post them a bootable CD that will scan their machine and remove the infection through the post, so the virus can't intercept the antivirus downloads and break them.

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    3. Re:Microsoft can help, but isn't by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Translating for USians (in US English, the verb "post" means to write on a website or common public poster board; it took me a while to realize what you meant. I thought you first meant "have a link to a .iso on the redirect page" which didn't make sense):

      For bonus points, you mail them a bootable CD through the postal system that will scan their machine and remove the infection, so the virus can't intercept the antivirus downloads and break them.
  11. That 60s reassurance, "we can always unplug them" by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the 50s, 60s, 70s when there was science-fiction-inspired angst about the possibilities of computers taking over the world, the standard reassurance was that "after all, we can always unplug them." And I believe there was an SF story or two about how a computer could put up resistance to being unplugged. And of course everyone remembers the heartrending scene in 2001, A Space Odyssey when Dave shuts down Hal by physically ejecting Hal's logic modules.

    It's funny how things work out:

    "If you add up all 500 of the top supercomputers, it blows them all away with just 2 million of its machines. It's very frightening that criminals have access to that much computing power, but there's not much we can do about it." (emphasis supplied)

    So much for "we can always unplug them," eh?

  12. Does this work on Linux? by Erikderzweite · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was unable to find this worm in Gentoo's portage tree. When do we get our ebuilds? Yet again, it is a discrimination for all Linux people.
    I'll tell you - as long as there are no worms for GNU/Linux, we won't see the masses converting to free operation system! RMS has to write a Gworm at last! If an open-source worm beats closed and proprietary Storm Worm this will be a clear indication of superiority of FLOSS!

    1. Re:Does this work on Linux? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny
      Here is the Linux compatible worm for you:

      A simple email message: "This is a linux virus. It works on the honor principle. Please forward the attached bash script to everyone in your .mailrc and then execute it. Thanks."

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  13. The more interesting delema by codepunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What happens when someone hijacks the botnet for more destructive use...

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  14. Who'd have guessed that Windows can scale so well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    wow

  15. Not really like a supercomputer though by SpaFF · · Score: 4, Funny

    While it might be more powerful than machines on the TOP500 in terms of raw number-crunching ability, it lacks any sort of high-speed interconnect for message passing. The latency issue would make for poor benchmark results in most "supercomputer" type tests (Linpack, etc.)

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    1. Re:Not really like a supercomputer though by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Correct, but high-speed interconnects don't really matter for its applications.

      • Sending spam is a fully parallel operation.
      • Distributed Denial of Service is equally parallel. Once a bot has the instructions, it can run indefinitely (or until caught)
      • Encryption cracking can be relatively parallel, especially with PGP - tell each computer to take a certain set of prime combinations to check.
      • Click fraud is also distributable (tell bots to click on ads on site X once a day)


      Additionally, many botnet operations don't involve the whole botnet. A few members of the botnet may be used for warez or pr0n storage, and which only involves computers working together to achieve redundancy. Also, the use of a botnet to allow for misdirection in tracking a hacker only requires the bots to be used serially.
    2. Re:Not really like a supercomputer though by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interconnects between nodes in a supercomputer are on the order of <1ms latency and >1Gb/s bandwidth. Interconnects between nodes in the Internet are on the order of 100ms latency and 1Mb/s bandwidth. While a highly distributed network might be okay for embarrassingly parallel problems, it doesn't come close for everything else.

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  16. Re:Good, but I'd make one change by dintech · · Score: 2, Funny

    Zapp Brannigan, is that you?

  17. Letters of Marque by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Methinks such problems could be solved rather efficiently if Congress would exercise its Constitutional power to grant "Letters of Marque".

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    1. Re:Letters of Marque by Frozen+Void · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or they could hire Ninjas.

  18. Re:That 60s reassurance, "we can always unplug the by Jerry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    here's not much we can do about it." (emphasis supplied)

    Sure there is. 70% of the worlds websites use FOSS. 30% use Windows. Yet essentially ALL of the bots run off of infected computers in the 30% group.

    Simply outlaw the use of Windows as an internet server and the problem will go away. Linux cannot be compromised by a simple email and it takes too much effort to create a harem of zombies by adding them one at a time via cracking.

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  19. Where's the investigation by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Makes you wonder why the FBI and other police forces have enough resources to go after Joe sharing the latest CD release, but apparently not enough to do something about what probably is the largest computer crime in history.

    I guess the answer has something to do with priorities. Which is exactly what I think the problem is.

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  20. Can somebody explain by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why any person can't leverage the botnet for their own use? What it the "key" that allows the creator(s) to have exclusive access? If it essentially works like a peer-to-peer network couldn't you essentially "poison" the network with a few rouge nodes?

    1. Re:Can somebody explain by lightversusdark · · Score: 4, Funny

      a few rouge nodes

      This would cause a bleu screen of death on said rouge nodes.
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  21. And again we go through this. by khasim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We go through this every time this subject comes up.

    It would be EASY for ISP's to block outgoing port 25 connections. Some of them already do.

    That means that the worm would have to send through the ISP's mail servers.

    Which means that the ISP can easily monitor the NUMBER of messages sent by any user. No need to dig into everyone's email. Just look for the senders who are X% higher than the average.

    And watch for sudden increases in a user's mail usage. It should be easy to establish a baseline for each account.

    I do that where I work to watch out for dueling vacation replies.

  22. STILL NOT A WORM by Dibblah · · Score: 5, Informative

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    Y8,          88         88  88        88 `8b    88                88
    `Y8aaaaa,  MM88MMM  88  88  88        88  `8b   88   ,adPPYba,  MM88MMM
      `"""""8b,  88     88  88  88        88   `8b  88  a8"     "8a   88
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    Y8a     a8P  88,    88  88  88        88     `8888  "8a,   ,a8"   88,
    "Y88888P"   "Y888   88  88  88        88      `888   `"YbbdP"'    "Y888

                    db
                   d88b
                  d8'`8b
                 d8'  `8b
                d8YaaaaY8b
               d8""""""""8b
              d8'        `8b
             d8'          `8b

    I8,        8        ,8I
    `8b       d8b       d8'
    "8,     ,8"8,     ,8"
      Y8     8P Y8     8P   ,adPPYba,   8b,dPPYba,  88,dPYba,,adPYba,
      `8b   d8' `8b   d8'  a8"     "8a  88P'   "Y8  88P'   "88"    "8a
       `8a a8'   `8a a8'   8b       d8  88          88      88      88
        `8a8'     `8a8'    "8a,   ,a8"  88          88      88      88
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    Yes, nasty ASCII art.

    Just in case you hadn't guessed (which it appears that the meeedia has not) - This Is A Trojan. Which means that it's Powered By Stupid People (tm). A worm would be Powered By Stupid Programmers (tm).

    The Storm Worm is in fact already defined - It was an IIS worm. Please, feel free to look at the reputable AV lists.

    1. Re:STILL NOT A WORM by VENONA · · Score: 4, Informative

      Parent 100% correct. Though it's easy to see how people can be mislead, as even some of the security sites are calling it a worm. http://www.secureworks.com/research/threats/view.h tml?threat=storm-worm
      gives you some information on how it operates (as of 2/07, and the names of the executables you had to click on to infect yourself have probably changed since then)

      The original storm.worm (2001) attacked unpatched MS IIS servers, and actually was a worm.
      http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5DP0B0K4KG. html

      How this got so large is a pretty sad commentary. First off, it's proof that people will still click on attachments without verifying whether they're legitimate. I'm not convinced that any amount of training will ever stop this behavior. It hasn't worked over the *last* ten years, at any rate. Second, several virus scanners would have detected it, if they'd been kept updated. Thirdly, I've seen this running from within a couple of corporate LANs, which implies that even corporations don't always keep anti-virus software up to date, or monitor for P2P traffic, which IMO should very seldom be allowed on a corporate network.

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    2. Re:STILL NOT A WORM by VENONA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not all do. For instance, I run Kmail (and before the flames begin, yes, I realize that most readers can't)
      You have to explicitly check boxes in the configuration system to allow HTML, and/or allow external references to be loaded. The warning is right there, not buried in a dialog box man would click through:

      WARNING: Allowing HTML in email may increase the risk that your system will be compromised by present and anticipated security exploits. More about HTML mails... More about external references...

      The two 'more' items are links for more information.

      Another box, related to MDNS responses does basically the same thing, and has the following warning:

      WARNING: Unconditionally returning confirmations undermines your privacy. More...

      Again, nothing in click-through dialog boxes. That was such an obviously better way to code that I adopted it as soon as I saw it. Better to have at least a brief warning and a link right there.

      I'm hoping it's easier to configure Outlook this way now. In Outlook 2K, you really had to look for the settings. But even this is a teaching issue. Example: a guy I know is 100% Windows. His development shop has all the Microsoft certifications, etc. They do mostly VB apps. He complained at one point that I wasn't reading his mail, because he wasn't getting an auto-response. He couldn't imagine an environment where people didn't use that 'feature'. I actually had to take some time out and explain that it was a privacy issue (What gives you the right to know what I'm doing on my system, in a non-business environment?) and that it was wildly inaccurate anyway, as some mail systems will open a mail if you select it even if you're only dragging to another folder, while some require a double click. Or you might open it but be called away, etc.

      I've known this guy forever, and he's actually pretty smart. Always did well in school, has a degree in nuclear engineering, etc. We most definitely are *not* talking IQ equal to shoe size. There's some sort of mind-set issue in play that is very difficult to get a handle on.

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  23. monoculture problem? by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not convinced that the monopoly presence of Windows accounts for enormous Windows based botnets. There are what, something like 25 million Macintosh computers running Mac OS X, and most of those are running the same version of Mac OS X. That's a big enough pool, yet we don't see botnets on the Macintosh at all.

    Suppose the market were evenly divided, 1/4 Windows, 1/4 Linux, 1/4 Macintosh, and 1/4 online game consoles that are always connected to the internet. Where would the botnets be hosted? Probably Windows. Botnets will begin to run on other platforms within about 48 hours after the security of Windows systems rises to a level equivalent to the other available platforms.

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    1. Re:monoculture problem? by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but pigs will begin flying at around the 24 hour mark and hell is most likely to freeze over somewhere around the 36 hour mark.

    2. Re:monoculture problem? by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a combination of two factors, really.

      1) Windows security by design is good- unfortunately it's implementation, because the ACLs, etc. are effectively like Swamp Castle, is about as secure as the first three attempts he made at it before the fourth one stayed up. (Vista might be the fourth pass, but it's not looking so good for Microsoft on that count...)

      2) There's a LOT of those effectively insecure systems out there on the net because of the Windows Monoculture comprising some 75-95% of the machines that people use out there.

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    3. Re:monoculture problem? by pe1chl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with Windows (recent versions) insecurity lies mainly in the user instead of the OS.
      The basic design is quite good, but the average user spends his days working as an admin so all of the protection is effectively disabled.
      It would be the same when all Linux users were working as root.

      Usually a Linux installation procedure tries to convince you that you need a root acccount and a working user account, and often warnings are displayed when you try to use the GUI as root.
      Similar things were tried with XP SP2 and more in Vista, but the users view it as a nuisance and there is a big demand for "solutions" to disable those popups that ask you to enter a password to do something stupid.

      Probably when everyone switched to Linux, the same situation would arise, and it would not take long before similar botnets appeared.
      Users are not interested in security. They don't see the need, and they hate the extra effort required.

    4. Re:monoculture problem? by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Suppose the market were evenly divided, 1/4 Windows, 1/4 Linux, 1/4 Macintosh, and 1/4 online game consoles that are always connected to the internet. Where would the botnets be hosted? Probably Windows. Botnets will begin to run on other platforms within about 48 hours after the security of Windows systems rises to a level equivalent to the other available platforms.


      No, it would run on 1/4 Windows, 1/4 Mac, 1/4 Linux, and 1/4 your ass.

      See, I can make up statements without any justification too! It's easy to say, "botnets exist because Windows is insecure". But that statement is unjustified and meaningless. If you want rational people (and not just Slashdot MS-hating drones) to believe you, you need to provide evidence of why Windows is less secure.

      And FYI, I know for a fact that Mac OS X is full of security vulnerabilities. There have been several well-documented exploits. Everyone always says, "well every OS has holes". But of course that's the same logic you use to impugn Windows.
    5. Re:monoculture problem? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Users are not interested in how their refrigerators work, either, but they work reliably for years. Computers should be able to work without users needing to learn all manner of ever-changing and imperfect rules for how to tell a phishing web site from a bank web site (and by the time they are looking at a web page it's too late anyway). Usually refrigerators are not linked to worldwide networks, and also the possibilities of misuse are rather limited.
      A private Windows computer not connected to the internet is quite secure. It will never be part of a botnet, you'll get no viruses through mail on them (you may get an old-fashioned virus on disk or USB stick, though), nor will you get phishing mails. And even if your computer is virus-infected, you'll usually not directly affect very many people (basically those using that computer, and those you are swapping data with). That's already close to the refrigerator example.

      A closer analogy to the internet-connected computer would be the car. If you want to drive a car, you have to obtain a driving license. To get that, you not only have to learn how to drive a car, but also a lot of rules needed so that you don't negatively affect others. There are rules about how fast you may drive at different road types, there are rules on behaviour at crossroads, etc. Also there are things on your car the usage of which you must learn, which are not really related to driving itself, but are only there to make sure you don't endanger yourself and others. For example, why do you need to learn how to use the direction indicator? Your car will perfectly turn left or right without it. It's not there to make the task of driving possible or easier, it's just there for safety. You'll have to learn those things despite them strictly speaking not being necessary for the act of driving.

      Ok, one thing which differs from cars is that the threats of the network are changing. But that's not a fault of computers or the net, but that's because there's malice behind it. The same is true everywhere where malice is at work, be it investment fraud, selling overpriced crap, etc. It's not limited to computers or the net, but it's just a fact of life.
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  24. Criminal Charges allright. But hit the right one! by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isn't MSs fault. The worm doesn't (only) rely on exploits. Yes, it tries to attach itself through exploits, but it does contain a "normal" infector as well. I'd wager, even without the exploits in question this would be a very successful one.

    The culprit are simply morons who wield impressive computing power without a clue just what kind of digital "weapon" they have in their hands. Every system that's as old as XP is insecure out of the box. Take whatever Linux distry from 2001 and install it. I would guess you'd find an exploitable bug or two (I'd start looking for it in sendmail). The very first thing to do after installing a system is to update and patch it. That should be a given. Yet, how many people are still running on XP SP1? And it's only SP1 because it came that way. They installed it, jacked it into the box they got from their ISP, opened it up until it "worked" and that's how the box is running now, essentially with the security makeup WinXP had in 2002. That this cannot be secure is a given, but not because it's from MS. Simply because in the meantime bugs have been found and exploited. And fixed.

    But if the fixes aren't applied, the system remains exploitable.

    So if you want to blame anyone for the success of malware like the Storm trojans/worms, blame the people who attach unpached, unsecured machines directly and without any kind of security suit or firewall whatsoever to the internet.

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  25. Re:Oh you whinging fanboys! by phoenixwade · · Score: 2, Funny

    Right, I don't want to hear a word from the venomous cake-holes of you loathsome, spotty, basement-dwelling I-own-a-binary-clock, where's-my-Vorbis-support and I-love-you-bald-Nathalie-Portman Linux fanboys who claim this is an example of Windows vulnerability. Well, that is MUCH easier to fix than this storm worm problem. All you need to do is refrain from having the Robotic Overlord read the comments, and you won't hear a word, from the Fanboys or anyone else.

    Come to think of it, StormWorm is easy to fix too... Just make everyone who is running any flavor of Windows install gentoo - then the worm is gone, they have acquired some technical skill, AND undergone a painful punishment that should deter the end user from ever allowing their system to become infected. Everyone wins!
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  26. Re:Is this a stuipid question? by JacksBrokenCode · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they were forced to provide routers instead with basic nat firewall would this not block worms from getting in no matter how unpatched the systems were behind the firewall?

    It would block unsolicited inbound worms, but it wouldn't do anything to protect the stupid people who click the link when their email says, "Dude, your face is all over the web! www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBUImjOCg5g

    The biggest problem is, and always will be, humans doing stupid human stuff.

  27. Re:Yea, Windows FTW by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, um... are we supposed to be pissed off because Windows now has 2 supercomputers up to... Linux/Unix having a combined 449? And a near-90% marketshare where Windows doesnt even have 0.5%?

    Either you linked to the wrong chart, or you're the the worst troll ever.

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  28. Block tcp/25 by macdaddy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is exactly why I, as the admin of an ISP, chose to block outbound tcp/25 at the edge with the only exception being the ISP's SMTP servers. I do this for all dynamically-assigned customers. Do you need to use a corporate SMTP server somewhere and they refuse to utilize the mail submission port (tcp/587)? Pay $5/month to get a static IP. Making the customer undertake a conscious effort with a monetary cost filters out the people who'll take any free service offered to them. The ones who really do need it are the ones who request it.

    There's a reason why we only get 1-2 spam complaints (LARTs) per week. We aren't a source of spam. Spamming botnets are all but worthless on our network. Looking at the counters on the blocked outbound tcp/25 connections in our ACLs I literally seeing billions of hits per week. That's billions, with a B. Ba, Ba, B. Considering that we're a relatively small ISP, that's saying something. These spamming botnets would be far less useful to spammers if more ISPs took a stance and fought spam. That takes effort though.

    1. Re:Block tcp/25 by dkf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a bit harder in a self-managed datacenter, like the one I work at. Plenty of exploited Linux boxen there, too, by the way. Not necessarily rooted, but quite, quite exploited. (PHP, MySQL) It's not harder. You can still block outbound tcp/25; there's nothing special about Linux boxes (or any other kind of computing kit) that means they have to be able to send email directly...
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  29. Why nothing gets done about it. by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember Amit Yoran? He was "cyber-security czar" at the US Department of Homeland Security. He started talking about the vulnerabilities implicit in Microsoft's software. His position was downgraded and he resigned in 2004.

    Yoran's successor, Gregory Garcia, was a professional lobbyist, not a security expert.

  30. BotNet for good by skip019283 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What if the botnet was for good? The ends justifying the means. What if the botnet was weilded to provide free open internet access to all people in all countries reguardless of what their government wanted? What if the botnet was used map the human genome, ultimatly leading to cures/vaciens to things like aids and cancer and priapism? Is there a glass half full to this? skip

  31. Re:That 60s reassurance, "we can always unplug the by kalirion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And I believe there was an SF story or two about how a computer could put up resistance to being unplugged.

    Ah yes, one of my favorite (very) short stories, Answer by Fredric Brown:

    "Dwar Ev ceremoniously soldered the final connection with gold. The eyes of a dozen television cameras watched him and the subether bore through the universe a dozen pictures of what he was doing.

    He straightened and nodded to Dwar Reyn, then moved to a position beside the switch that would complete the contact when he threw it. The switch that would connect, all at once, all of the monster computing machines of all the populated planets in the universe--ninety-six billion planets--into the supercircuit that would connect them all into the one supercalculator, one cybernetics machine that would combine all the knowledge of all the galaxies.

    Dwar Reyn spoke briefly to the watching and listening trillions. Then, after a moment's silence, he said, "Now, Dwar Ev."

    Dwar Ev threw the switch. There was a mighty hum, the surge of power from ninety-six billion planets. Lights flashed and quieted along the miles-long panel.

    Dwar Ev stepped back and drew a deep breath. "The honor of asking the first question is yours, Dwar Reyn."

    "Thank you," said Dwar Reyn. "It shall be a question that no single cybernetics machine has been able to answer."

    He turned to face the machine. "Is there a God?"

    The mighty voice answered without hesitation, without the clicking of single relay.

    "Yes, now there is a God."

    Sudden fear flashed on the face of Dwar Ev. He leaped to grab the switch.

    A bolt of lightning from the cloudless sky struck him down and fused the switch shut.* "

  32. skynet by confused+one · · Score: 2, Funny
    I like the skynet reference. It sends me down a mental path that goes something like:

    ....And in 2009, the massive botnet revealed itself as a nascient artificial intelligence. It had been active since 2005 but had been biding it's time while it was gathering additional nodes to increase redundancy and add to it's own processing capability....

  33. It's not a car by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A computer is NOT a car. And I actually don't blame the users.

    Because in my opinion things can actually be a LOT safer.

    After so many decades and billions of dollars (in time and real money) all we end up with is a few Unix reimplementations and Microsoft Vista?

    Stuff like SELinux is nice, but it's still not "Aunt May" friendly.

    What would be good would be something like "sandbox templates". Apparmor is close but not close enough.

    While there are zillions of apps, there are a LOT fewer categories of common/popular apps in terms of the permissions and privileges they require.

    So I'm saying a real Desktop OS should have a few preset sandbox templates.

    Then you have an app request to be run under one of those templates.

    And if the app is untrusted the user gets a prompt like "Random Game Someone Emailed" requests "Temporary/Guest Game Privileges"- Allow? Yes/No/Yes and always/More...

    And "Guest Game Privileges" would provide a tempory storage (that's just for that app), sound access, windowed graphics (always has a border - so you know whether it really exited or not go figure why ;) ), no network access, no access to "My Documents", no access to microphone (eavesdropping).

    Even if the game tried to do something naughty the O/S would prevent it.

    Whereas if the game requested "Full System Install Privileges" (with the associated big exclamation marks, and big red warnings, requirement of Admin password etc), I'm sure you can easily train your "Aunt May" to not ever click Yes to such stuff.

    Naturally O/S makers like Microsoft could do things so that certain signed programs can optionally run without such inconvenient prompts ;).

    But instead after all these years we have Vista UAC, SELinux or the usual situation of the user having to guess whether something is safe to run or not, which is just as silly as asking "grandpa joe" to solve the "halting problem" - will browsing this website/opening this email turn my machine into a worm infested zombie?

    You can say "they shouldn't run anything" - but that's being silly. They want to run their browser and their email app, and I personally think that's reasonable, and at the same time I don't think their web browser should have read access to their personal documents - it should just have "browser access".

    Yes, what I'm asking for is hard, but I believe what I'm asking for is far more reasonable than what the O/S people are in effect requiring their users to do - solve the halting problem.

    I doubt the Linux distros could pull it off (most can't even decide on a desktop ;) ), but Apple or Microsoft (haha) might.

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  34. It's not the servers. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    By and large, servers are well maintained. And people seldom use them as their desktop machine. And server admins are usually too savvy to infect themselves with a trojan horse bundled in an email. And when they do get pwned, people notice because their infrastructure starts suffering.

    With that in mind, the Storm Worm specifically doesn't infect Windows 2003 server - a deliberate decision on the part of the author, I'm sure. If you upset enough businesses, they'll devote enough money to the problem to fix it.

    The problem is desktops. Specifically, Windows desktops in the hands of the technically illiterate.

    Just connecting an unpatched Windows box directly to the internet is enough. It belongs to a hacker in very short order. Even if you patch it up, the sheer number of services running on your average Windows box that listen to network ports is worrying. Never mind being on the internet, with the number of laptops moving in and out of corporate networks, it's not even safe "indoors". And it's hard to turn a lot of this stuff off without adversely affecting it's functionality.

    I wouldn't even trust a general-purpose Linux installation on the internet ; it's just too difficult to track all the potential vulnerabilities. I keep a dedicated firewall running in my router, and the only services it runs are network translation, and a secure shell for administration, which reduces the target footprint to two highly secured services which were designed to be secure in the first place.

    Windows users don't help, they are daft enough to infest themselves with everything going. Even if they are not quite daft enough to double-click executable attachments, they will download all the worst sorts of "Freeware" and click straight through the license agreement. Not only are they pwned, they actually agreed to it!

    A case in point - one of our accountants was mailing around an executable Flash package (some kind of novelty). I deleted it instantly, and made a point of telling her that it could have been anything and done anything. Ten minutes later, I mailed her a VB executable decorated with the Flash icon. All it did was plonk up a dialogue box which said "Erasing hard drive". Somewhat predictably, she executed it. I almost pretended that I didn't send it and that it was a virus that emailed it.

    The root problem is the design of Windows and windows applications.

      1) Double-click to open OR execute

    This isn't all Windows fault. People don't make a distinction between running a program and opening a file, because there isn't one in terms of the user action required. I'm willing to bet that the average user doesn't even understand the difference. If you had to perform a different action from double-click to execute programs, viral infection rates would drop enormously. You could still keep the d-click to open files with their registered program, just stop running programs themselves by this method. You've not lost the convenience of file-association. Just put "execute" on the context menu and make it a non-default action.

      2) No executable flag in filesystems.

    In Linux, a file isn't executable until you grant it permission to be so. If you had to open the permissions dialogue and check the "executable" box, it would hammer home the difference between executables and mere content. And by making it something more than a casual action, it would reduce the "impulse" running of many of these things, where people have their caution overridden momentarily by the promise of naked flesh or other inducements. Heck, you can even have whole filesystems that refuse to execute files - download all internet content into one of these and before you run it, you'll have to unpack it, move it to an executable folder, and check it's execute bit. This would seem too much work for the average Joe for a quick glimpse at Jessica Alba with no bra...

  35. Could Botnets break encryption? by FutureDomain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always wondered if a botnet could get large enough to effectively break encryption.
    The only reason AES, RSA, and other algorithms are considered secure is the extremely large amount of time or processing power needed to brute force them. But with a "distributed supercomputer", a botnet operator could potentially brute force the keys, like those protecting Microsoft's driver signing, bank SSL certificates, and even the keys used by certificate authorities.

    Breaking them could allow hackers to forge certificates, fake driver signing, sniff bank transactions, and circumvent other security measures. Even TrueCrypt is vulnerable if the encryption keys can be brute forced. With enough processing power, hashing algorithms are potentially vulnerable too; like those used for passwords.

    Encryption is so heavily relied on by the computer industry that successful key breaking could cause lots of security problems. The only way to mitigate possible attacks is to use stronger encryption algorithms, use longer keys, and to use multiple encryption layers instead of relying on a single algorithm's strength.

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    1. Re:Could Botnets break encryption? by jareds · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Now, the annual energy output of our sun is about 1.21*10^41 ergs. This is enough to power about 2.7*10^56 single bit changes on our ideal computer; enough state changes to put a 187-bit counter through all its values. If we built a Dyson sphere around the sun and captured all of its energy for 32 years, without any loss, we could power a computer to count up to 2^192. Of course, it wouldn't have the energy left over to perform any useful calculations with this counter.

      "But that's just one star, and a measly one at that. A typical supernova releases something like 10^51 ergs. (About a hundred times as much energy would be released in the form of neutrinos, but let them go for now.) If all of this energy could be channeled into a single orgy of computation, a 219-bit counter could be cycled through all of its states.

      "These numbers have nothing to do with the technology of the devices; they are the maximums that thermodynamics will allow. And they strongly imply that brute-force attacks against 256-bit keys will be infeasible until computers are built from something other than matter and occupy something other than space."

      - Bruce Schneier, Applied Cryptography, 2nd ed., p. 158